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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: jesmu84 on August 06, 2015, 11:02:33 AM
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Lots of rumors flying around the last couple days. Acknowledgement of at least a police investigation surround Kane. Whispers of possible rape allegations.
No matter what, considering his prior run-in with the law, this is not good.
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Very concerning and uncomfortable for Hawks fans, especially given the nature of the supposed allegations. Have to be patient and let the facts come out.
I think its doubly annoying cause since the cabbie incident, and moreso since his drunken adventure through Madison in 2012, he's really calmed down and stayed out of trouble and negative PR. I had multiple drunk ridiculous Kane stories from his early time in Chicago, but nothing for quite sometime.
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I generally view these types of charges against star athletes with healthy skepticism, though at the same time, I'm not at all surprised about those cases that turn out to be true. These guys live in a world most of us will never know.
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I generally view these types of charges against star athletes with healthy skepticism, though at the same time, I'm not at all surprised about those cases that turn out to be true. These guys live in a world most of us will never know.
I agree it is more often a shakedown for money than anything serious.
If true, however, it is more serious that just a regular Joe doing this. Kane is a guy who can get hot women anytime he wants. So, IF he did resort to this, it should be a career ender.
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nothing on espn web site, but buffalo paper had a vague story
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sources-patrick-kane-target-of-rape-investigation-20150806
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Sounds like a fib.
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Sounds like a fib.
Don't think that's fair based on the body of information available. It is equally unfair to stone him to death right now. This will run its course, but his reputation precedes him.
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Don't think that's fair based on the body of information available. It is equally unfair to stone him to death right now. This will run its course, but his reputation precedes him.
I think he was saying FIB, as in F-ing Illinois B*&
As for the whole reputation thing, its come up a lot in this situation, and I think its very unfair. If this was a bar fight, if this was a bad interaction with a fan, if this was a major drunken embarrassment of some sort, then I get it. But this is something else entirely. I had drunk idiot friends like Kane when I was in college and here in Chicago. Dudes that when you drank you were like "ugh, chill out man" (which honestly is thoughts that went through my head when I partied with a blackout Kane about 5-6 years ago. But if any of those dudes was in a similar legal situation, I would never have been like "not surprised" or "makes sense given their rep".
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I'm not sure how a multi millionaire can get that hard up. Just order a damn call girl.
If Rex Ryan can pull azz.....
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I think he was saying FIB, as in F-ing Illinois B*&
As for the whole reputation thing, its come up a lot in this situation, and I think its very unfair. If this was a bar fight, if this was a bad interaction with a fan, if this was a major drunken embarrassment of some sort, then I get it. But this is something else entirely. I had drunk idiot friends like Kane when I was in college and here in Chicago. Dudes that when you drank you were like "ugh, chill out man" (which honestly is thoughts that went through my head when I partied with a blackout Kane about 5-6 years ago. But if any of those dudes was in a similar legal situation, I would never have been like "not surprised" or "makes sense given their rep".
Well kind of. If you have trouble dealing with alcohol, you can get into positions where you make bad decisions.
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Sounds like a fib.
What a unnatural carnal knowledgeing ass wipe of a comment. I don't mention how cheese heads all partake in incest. Let it play out.
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Respect the process, hey?
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What a unnatural carnal knowledgeing ass wipe of a comment. I don't mention how cheese heads all partake in incest. Let it play out.
defensive much?
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I think he was saying FIB, as in F-ing Illinois B*&
As for the whole reputation thing, its come up a lot in this situation, and I think its very unfair. If this was a bar fight, if this was a bad interaction with a fan, if this was a major drunken embarrassment of some sort, then I get it. But this is something else entirely. I had drunk idiot friends like Kane when I was in college and here in Chicago. Dudes that when you drank you were like "ugh, chill out man" (which honestly is thoughts that went through my head when I partied with a blackout Kane about 5-6 years ago. But if any of those dudes was in a similar legal situation, I would never have been like "not surprised" or "makes sense given their rep".
Did your friends choke girls who wouldn't hook up with them?
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No idea how this will come out, but it pisses me off. I know...wait for the story to come out, but the guy has had a lot of problems in the past and alcohol is always involved. I guess it's becoming part and parcel that our sports heroes will disappoint us, but this guy finally looked like he had grown up and turned the corner. At some point, you have to realize you need to grow up and not go out in public and get plastered like you just turned 21 and not put yourself in these situations. Whatever the case is, if Kane doesn't get obliterated drunk he likely isn't dealing with any of this now.
I'm really hoping it turns out there was no crime and this is a non-story, but this feels a lot like typical fanspeak (especially listening to the Score). Most fans are defending Kane, trying to act like there's nothing there when if it was a Green Bay Packer or Detroit Red Wing with a history like Kane's facing the same thing they'd be castigating them to the nth degree.
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To date, no one had said P Kane is under investigation. Only an event that occurred at his home is.
Weird part, his day with the cup was supposed to be last weekend, but Keith rescheduled. All may have been avoided.
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To date, no one had said P Kane is under investigation. Only an event that occurred at his home is.
Weird part, his day with the cup was supposed to be last weekend, but Keith rescheduled. All may have been avoided.
Buffalo News reported Kane is being investigated for sexual assault. The police chief said they are investigating an event at his home. Kane has hired a lawyer and not refuted anything that has been said.
If the Buffalo News was way off base, there would be libel suits already in the works and there would be denials in the press. Obviously the facts are not all in, but something happened at Kane's home, he was involved, alcohol was involved, and no one is saying it didn't happen (except some 'Hawks fans). For the record, I'm a 'Hawks fan as well.
Bottom line, this does not look good for Kane at all. Even if he is exonerated, this will be a black eye on his public reputation as well as on the franchise. I would be shocked if there isn't a ton of damage control to try to salvage his reputation.
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Buffalo News reported Kane is being investigated for sexual assault. The police chief said they are investigating an event at his home. Kane has hired a lawyer and not refuted anything that has been said.
If the Buffalo News was way off base, there would be libel suits already in the works and there would be denials in the press. Obviously the facts are not all in, but something happened at Kane's home, he was involved, alcohol was involved, and no one is saying it didn't happen (except some 'Hawks fans). For the record, I'm a 'Hawks fan as well.
Bottom line, this does not look good for Kane at all. Even if he is exonerated, this will be a black eye on his public reputation as well as on the franchise. I would be shocked if there isn't a ton of damage control to try to salvage his reputation.
Not defending him. He shouldn't say anything.
If he is never charged, then the Buffalo News takes a trashing and P Kane looks like a victim
I don't think much will happen, and the longer this takes, the better for him.
Guy would have been league MVP if he didn't get hurt last season, now this.
Also, Hawks fans can be dumb, see Bobby Hull.
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More came out this morning. Woman showed up at the hospital with bite marks and scratches on her legs. Alleges her and a friend went to Kane's for what sounds like an after bar, she went into a room alone, he followed her and raped her.
This doesn't look good for Kane. Feeling very strongly this won't end well for him. Be very interesting to see what Chicago does here. PR wise Kane is done. You can't market him. The Hawks can't, EA Sports can't, the league, Chevy, all his sponsors will be gone. Even if there are no charges, this will really hurt Kane.
Just disappointing to see a kid who's such a genius on the ice be such a brain dead moron off it.
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When they lost Saad this off-season, I wondered if they would end up regretting giving Kane that contract. Toews is worth every penny. But Kane?
And with regards to the idiots calling in to the Score...how often have rape allegations been discounted after a plantiff has successfully gotten a settlement from the defendant? It just doesn't happen.
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When they lost Saad this off-season, I wondered if they would end up regretting giving Kane that contract. Toews is worth every penny. But Kane?
And with regards to the idiots calling in to the Score...how often have rape allegations been discounted after a plantiff has successfully gotten a settlement from the defendant? It just doesn't happen.
Yeah...at the time it seemed risky, but Kane was finally getting away from the questionable behavior and I think they were banking on him leaving stupid off the bus. Clearly stupid was still sitting in one of the back seats.
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I agree it is more often a shakedown for money than anything serious.
That's not what I was saying at all, and I completely disagree. I think most are legit sexual assaults, while occasionally it's someone taking advantage of a situation.
For whatever reason, i was a little skeptical with this one from the start, though I would not be at all surprised if what is alleged to have happened, actually happened. Unfortunately, these situations are just a mess. We'll probably never know what actually happened. Both parties likley drinking heavily, facts are hard to come by, but we know something happened. In the end he probably will not be charged, and both parties will walk away with their lives a mess.
One thing for sure. No matter how this comes out, Patrick Kane is a certified idiot. absolute nightmare for the Blackhawks.
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That's not what I was saying at all, and I completely disagree. I think most are legit sexual assaults, while occasionally it's someone taking advantage of a situation.
For whatever reason, i was a little skeptical with this one from the start, though I would not be at all surprised if what is alleged to have happened, actually happened. Unfortunately, these situations are just a mess. We'll probably never know what actually happened. Both parties likley drinking heavily, facts are hard to come by, but we know something happened. In the end he probably will not be charged, and both parties will walk away with their lives a mess.
One thing for sure. No matter how this comes out, Patrick Kane is a certified idiot. absolute nightmare for the Blackhawks.
I am stunned Brandx said this, since it is not consistent with what he has said in the past. I suppose it depends what team is involved.
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That's not what I was saying at all, and I completely disagree. I think most are legit sexual assaults, while occasionally it's someone taking advantage of a situation.
For whatever reason, i was a little skeptical with this one from the start, though I would not be at all surprised if what is alleged to have happened, actually happened. Unfortunately, these situations are just a mess. We'll probably never know what actually happened. Both parties likley drinking heavily, facts are hard to come by, but we know something happened. In the end he probably will not be charged, and both parties will walk away with their lives a mess.
One thing for sure. No matter how this comes out, Patrick Kane is a certified idiot. absolute nightmare for the Blackhawks.
+1
No idea if charges will be filed or not. This stuff isn't always easy to prove and when you're a superstar athlete your lawyers will make it an uphill battle for any prosecutor. I suspect Kane will likely walk on the criminal suit and probably get hit hard on the civil suit, though decent chance that's settled out of court.
Either way, I'd be surprised if as soon as the charges decision is made we didn't see him heading to rehab. No way the Blackhawks can keep their clean reputation if they don't get Kane some treatment immediately and publicly. Already heard some saying his contract should be terminated, but I just can't see any franchise letting arguably the best offensive player in the game walk away.
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More came out this morning. Woman showed up at the hospital with bite marks and scratches on her legs. Alleges her and a friend went to Kane's for what sounds like an after bar, she went into a room alone, he followed her and raped her.
This doesn't look good for Kane. Feeling very strongly this won't end well for him. Be very interesting to see what Chicago does here. PR wise Kane is done. You can't market him. The Hawks can't, EA Sports can't, the league, Chevy, all his sponsors will be gone. Even if there are no charges, this will really hurt Kane.
Just disappointing to see a kid who's such a genius on the ice be such a brain dead moron off it.
Idk. Rothleisberger is a serial rapist and he's got freakin make a wish foundation and sprint sponsoring him.
It's amazing how stupid and forgetful the masses are.
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Here's the tough part. Say she didn't have bite marks and scratches.....pretty much everyone would say a rape didn't happen. Except, a rape can happen without those physical marks. On the flip side, those marks can be there and a rape didn't happen either.
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Here's the tough part. Say she didn't have bite marks and scratches.....pretty much everyone would say a rape didn't happen. Except, a rape can happen without those physical marks. On the flip side, those marks can be there and a rape didn't happen either.
Absolutely true. It goes both ways. Like I said, this doesn't prove anything one way or the other for the criminal case. But it doesn't help the civil at all.
As far as the Big Ben comparison, it took him years to get back to being publicly accepted by any charities or endorsement deals, and he's still only getting $2.5M/year in endorsements. More than we'll ever see, but he's not nearly as visible as other NFL stars. Kane will be set back years and this will impact his marketing severely for the next 3-4 years, and likely have an impact over the entirety of his career.
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Kane's problem is that he keeps doing stupid things....the stupid gene is strong with him. Maybe he outgrows it, but apparently he's still having trouble.
I blame the racist team sweater
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So if there's no charges, he's still ruined?
Tony Stewart killed a man one year ago today.
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The longer this drags out I just get that feeling that there will be a massive out of court settlement.
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So if there's no charges, he's still ruined?
Tony Stewart killed a man one year ago today.
Civil suit against Tony Stewart was filed on Friday.
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The longer this drags out I just get that feeling that there will be a massive out of court settlement.
Pulling a Kobe, heyna?
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Civil suit against Tony Stewart was filed on Friday.
But who's at fault, Stewart or the guy who ran towards his car on a slippery, muddy track?
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But who's at fault, Stewart or the guy who ran towards his car on a slippery, muddy track?
A jury will decide
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So if there's no charges, he's still ruined?
Tony Stewart killed a man one year ago today.
Hold on just a second there. While none of us know what happened in the Kane incident, it's unfair of you to ascribe any intent to the Stewart situation. Could Tony have intentionally 'buzzed' Ward to express his frustration? Possibly. But I think it's a real stretch to think he tried to hit him. Was Tony somewhat reckless? Maybe, maybe not. But Ward shares at least equally in the blame. Let's recall that Ward was struck by the outside of Stewart's rear tire as Ward continued to walk down the track. What happened was a terrible tragedy, not a criminal act, as determined by the DA and police. And now the mandatory punishment for leaving your car is a one race suspension, as appropriate.
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The Stewart incident was also captured on video, and everyone saw exactly what happened. Not he case with Kane. That could end up being a good or bad thing for him.
I think we can reasonably assume that the police/DA have been able to put together a pretty good idea of what actually happened, and a reasonable idea of what hey can prove. Kane, his accuser, and accuser's friend might know exactly what happened, but given what I assume was a large amount of alcohol involved, I have my doubts, so if the DA cannot bring charges, people will form their own opinions, but we will likley never know.
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Someone is getting a big check $$$$$$
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The Stewart incident was also captured on video, and everyone saw exactly what happened. Not he case with Kane. That could end up being a good or bad thing for him.
I think we can reasonably assume that the police/DA have been able to put together a pretty good idea of what actually happened, and a reasonable idea of what hey can prove. Kane, his accuser, and accuser's friend might know exactly what happened, but given what I assume was a large amount of alcohol involved, I have my doubts, so if the DA cannot bring charges, people will form their own opinions, but we will likley never know.
Very true. I read the latest Buffalo newspaper report earlier today. I'm deeply troubled that the alleged victim seems to have reported the incident immediately and was supposedly very distraught.
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Very true. I read the latest Buffalo newspaper report earlier today. I'm deeply troubled that the alleged victim seems to have reported the incident immediately and was supposedly very distraught.
One side of the story.
Still no charges though....
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Looks like EA Sports dropped him from NHL 2016. Not surprising.
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Real quiet lately. Probably a good thing for Kane.
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Real quiet lately. Probably a good thing for Kane.
It is still very early. My guess is that it this is all coming down to whether or not the alleged victim wants to deal with the crap she's going to have to deal with.
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Real quiet lately. Probably a good thing for Kane.
Today's news probably won't help Kane's defenders.
The young woman who alleges that she was raped by Patrick Kane the morning of Aug. 2 only went to his Hamburg waterfront home because her friend wanted to go, according to three people who have knowledge of the events that night and early morning.
“They were at SkyBar, and Kane invited them to his home. Her friend really wanted to go to Kane’s house, and she didn’t want her friend to go there alone,” a friend of the woman told The Buffalo News. “It wasn’t her idea to go there.”
Two other sources who are familiar with the Kane rape allegation – a law enforcement official and a member of Buffalo’s legal community – gave similar information to The News about what led the alleged victim to go to Kane’s residence.
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/hamburg/alleged-victim-reportedly-went-to-kanes-home-to-accompany-friend-20150812
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Absolutely true. It goes both ways. Like I said, this doesn't prove anything one way or the other for the criminal case. But it doesn't help the civil at all.
As far as the Big Ben comparison, it took him years to get back to being publicly accepted by any charities or endorsement deals, and he's still only getting $2.5M/year in endorsements. More than we'll ever see, but he's not nearly as visible as other NFL stars. Kane will be set back years and this will impact his marketing severely for the next 3-4 years, and likely have an impact over the entirety of his career.
Was Marv Alpert there ?
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Real quiet lately. Probably a good thing for Kane.
Quiet doesn't necessarily mean good, doesn't necessarily mean bad.
The things that the Buffalo paper has reported make it not sound good for him though.
Take note of this though: Leaks and "sources with knowledge of the investigation" are almost always within the police department/investigation and are directly calculated to benefit the ultimate prosecution of someone. The fact that we've seen the kinds of leaks that we have makes me think that the cops are actively building a sexual assault case against him and are just lining up all the ducks before pulling the arrest trigger.
We shall see.
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It is still very early. My guess is that it this is all coming down to whether or not the alleged victim wants to deal with the crap she's going to have to deal with.
Which is the shame in all of this stuff, but very real. Good point.
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Hold on just a second there. While none of us know what happened in the Kane incident, it's unfair of you to ascribe any intent to the Stewart situation. Could Tony have intentionally 'buzzed' Ward to express his frustration? Possibly. But I think it's a real stretch to think he tried to hit him. Was Tony somewhat reckless? Maybe, maybe not. But Ward shares at least equally in the blame. Let's recall that Ward was struck by the outside of Stewart's rear tire as Ward continued to walk down the track. What happened was a terrible tragedy, not a criminal act, as determined by the DA and police. And now the mandatory punishment for leaving your car is a one race suspension, as appropriate.
Wow. I had not known that the toxicology report indicated that Ward had smoked marijuana within 2-5 hours of the incident and that in the medical examiner's professional opinion his blood levels were sufficiently high to impair his judgement. Even before the accident he had put his fellow competitors at risk. I feel very badly for his parents but I think they are looking for a scapegoat.
Now back to Kane.... Fool.
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Wow. I had not known that the toxicology report indicated that Ward had smoked marijuana within 2-5 hours of the incident and that in the medical examiner's professional opinion his blood levels were sufficiently high to impair his judgement. Even before the accident he had put his fellow competitors at risk. I feel very badly for his parents but I think they are looking for a scapegoat.
Now back to Kane.... Fool.
Yup. If Ward even simply yells towards Stewart from where his car was wrecked nothing happens. Instead, Ward walks down onto the racetrack while it is slippery and muddy to try to prove a point. Can't get any more stupid than that. Wait until the race is over and punch his lights out if you want. Do not walk onto a racetrack with cars driving hundreds of miles per hour around it, even if the track conditions are perfect.
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Chicos - is this the dirt you were insinuating about Buzz? Is he somehow behind this?
You really DID know more than us!
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WTF
http://deadspin.com/patrick-kanes-lawyer-is-arguing-with-people-on-facebook-1724570340
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WTF
http://deadspin.com/patrick-kanes-lawyer-is-arguing-with-people-on-facebook-1724570340
How stupid is that guy? Why argue with randomers on Facebook? And his lack of punctuation and any remote control of the English language, especially for a lawyer who will presumably be representing the client the article refers to, is awful. The "speak text" is a weak excuse. If you use voice-to-text, you can easily insert all appropriate punctuation simply by saying it. "This is not an essay contest comma I am traveling period" will give you "This is not an essay contest, I am traveling."
What an idiot.
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Regardless of whether Kane is guilty or totally innocent, this hits his image hard. The law needs to be adjusted to keep the identity of the accused as well as the victim throughout a full and complete trial.
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Regardless of whether Kane is guilty or totally innocent, this hits his image hard. The law needs to be adjusted to keep the identity of the accused as well as the victim throughout a full and complete trial.
When you do the things Kane does you kind of bring this upon yourself. Kane is not a victim here.
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When you do the things Kane does you kind of bring this upon yourself. Kane is not a victim here.
That's like saying someone deserved to be raped because of the clothes they were wearing. I'm not saying Kane is innocent but you can't automatically assume he sexual assulted someone just because he used to party a little too hard.
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That's like saying someone deserved to be raped because of the clothes they were wearing. I'm not saying Kane is innocent but you can't automatically assume he sexual assulted someone just because he used to party a little too hard.
If "professional athlete chokes college girl" = "used to party a little too hard" then I guess you have a point.
Patrick Kane is not a victim here.
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If "professional athlete chokes college girl" = "used to party a little too hard" then I guess you have a point.
Patrick Kane is not a victim here.
Were the 3 guys from the Duke Lacrosse team victims?
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Were the 3 guys from the Duke Lacrosse team victims?
Again, they don't have a history of going out and being violent towards women.
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Were the 3 guys from the Duke Lacrosse team victims?
Yes. If you are falsely accused you are a victim. However false accusations are rare. And yeah maybe Kane is being falsely accused. We will see.
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Regardless of whether Kane is guilty or totally innocent, this hits his image hard. The law needs to be adjusted to keep the identity of the accused as well as the victim throughout a full and complete trial.
That's like saying someone deserved to be raped because of the clothes they were wearing. I'm not saying Kane is innocent but you can't automatically assume he sexual assulted someone just because he used to party a little too hard.
Were the 3 guys from the Duke Lacrosse team victims?
Yes. If you are falsely accused you are a victim. However false accusations are rare. And yeah maybe Kane is being falsely accused. We will see.
I guess my point is this. Regardless of whether these specific allegations turn out to be false or not (and if we're being honest, this will probably be settled outside of court and we'll never really know), forgive me for not crying afoul regarding Kane's image. He has a well documented history of becoming belligerently drunk and acting with violence towards women. There are numerous first hand accounts of the same story about him choking a female when she would not go home with him. He has brought this image (or ruining of his image) upon himself. When someone is being accused of this type of action for a first time then they absolutely may be the victim of someone looking to make some money or to take down the big time celebrity. But when there are multiple instances from different times of the same type of behavior, chances are that women across America didn't all come together and decide, "We're going to ruin Patrick Kane's image." Where there's smoke, there's fire. Maybe this particular case turns out to be untrue. But somewhere along the way...
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Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all wades....
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I guess my point is this. Regardless of whether these specific allegations turn out to be false or not (and if we're being honest, this will probably be settled outside of court and we'll never really know), forgive me for not crying afoul regarding Kane's image. He has a well documented history of becoming belligerently drunk and acting with violence towards women. There are numerous first hand accounts of the same story about him choking a female when she would not go home with him. He has brought this image (or ruining of his image) upon himself. When someone is being accused of this type of action for a first time then they absolutely may be the victim of someone looking to make some money or to take down the big time celebrity. But when there are multiple instances from different times of the same type of behavior, chances are that women across America didn't all come together and decide, "We're going to ruin Patrick Kane's image." Where there's smoke, there's fire. Maybe this particular case turns out to be untrue. But somewhere along the way...
Excellent post. And as far as his image...well, that's just part of what comes with being a celebrity. Charles Barkley can spout his "I'm not a role model" BS all he likes, but living in the public eye is a choice. If Kane didn't want to be a famous hockey player, he could have been a banker or a construction worker or an IT guy. But as soon as you reach for that brass ring and manage to grasp it, all the negatives of fame come along with all the accolades.
Bottom line, if you want to have a famous job and avoid fame, you need to choose to be a recluse. When you go out on the town, partying and living it up, doing things that get you into trouble and putting yourself into situations where trouble is likely to find you, that's your own fault. Any damage done to Kane's reputation, even if this is COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED is his own fault. He chose his profession and he chose how he comports himself in public. These are the repercussions of those decisions.
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Just talked to my Blackhawks contact. It's not looking good for Kane.
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Just talked to my Blackhawks contact. It's not looking good for Kane.
You should put #DoneDeal at the end of a post as vague as this
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You should put #DoneDeal at the end of a post as vague as this
That's because that's all the vague info I got.
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That's because that's all the vague info I got.
Then why bother posting it?
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That's because that's all the vague info I got.
Your contact must have some pretty good info when he knows the outcome of an investigation where a potential suspect hasn't even been charged yet.
Not saying Kane is innocent or guilty here, but come on man. There are enough news sources posting stories about this that are barely worthwhile already.
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Was Derrick Rose hanging out with Patrick Kane?
(Now THIS one seems like it very well could be a money grab)
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Was Derrick Rose hanging out with Patrick Kane?
(Now THIS one seems like it very well could be a money grab)
Yea, that Derrick Rose one is really odd, and I like Kane a lot more then I like Rose. We'll see how it plays out but gang rape seems a little excessive.
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Bears fans everywhere crossing fingers that accusations against Jay Cutler happen soon.
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Was Derrick Rose hanging out with Patrick Kane?
(Now THIS one seems like it very well could be a money grab)
Yeah suing two years after the fact, versus going to the police the very next day, makes the story a tad less credible.
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Yeah suing two years after the fact, versus going to the police the very next day, makes the story a tad less credible.
Absolutely. Plus the whole, "We were able to escape his place, but then they broke into my place, but I only remember bits and pieces of it."
You never know. Just seems a bit less credible to me, even without considering the reputations/past actions of each of the accused.
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Yeah suing two years after the fact, versus going to the police the very next day, makes the story a tad less credible.
Having read the complaint, that's one of several bits of incredulity.
Who knows what happened, but, man, there are tons of gaps in credibility and red flags there.
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Off to the grand jury?
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Warming up the checkbook.....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-patrick-kane-met-20150916-story.html
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Kane, Blackhawks Execs Evasive In First Public Remarks On Sexual Assault Investigation
Published September 18, 2015
About 100 reporters attended Kane's press conference at Blackhawks training camp
There are "public-relations missteps and corporate misjudgments, and then there is what the Blackhawks produced in a clumsy 45-minute news conference" to open training camp Thursday amid the ongoing sexual assault investigation involving RW Patrick Kane, according to David Haugh of the CHICAGO TRIBUNE. It was "an exercise in embarrassment for the Hawks, Chicago and the NHL." The most "somber season-opening session ever for an NHL defending champion awkwardly began" with Kane sitting alongside Blackhawks President & CEO John McDonough, GM & VP Stan Bowman and coach Joel Quenneville. He began the press conference by "apologizing for the distraction caused to his family, teammates, fans and the Hawks without mentioning the accuser." He then "proclaimed his innocence." Following Kane's statement, the team "invited questions for Kane but, as he constantly reminded everybody, only about hockey." He "prefaced every inquiry" that was not hockey related "with a respectful, 'I appreciate the question but ...'" After nearly a dozen questions, Kane "left the dais, mercifully." The "tone-deaf, 10-minute farcical Kane portion of the news conference served as Exhibit A why Kane never should have been allowed to practice until the conclusion of the criminal legal process." No sports exec "manages perception better than McDonough," but missing Thursday was the "human element that makes McDonough so effective, a graceful eloquence replaced by stern ambiguity." The Blackhawks on Thursday "resembled everybody else in professional sports; evasive, defensive and occasionally combative in the wake of crisis, cowering to controversy rather than addressing it head-on the way a proud, classy organization should," and the way the Blackhawks "typically have" (CHICAGO TRIBUNE, 9/18). In Buffalo, Mike Harrington in a front-page piece notes it was a "surreal scene" on the campus of Notre Dame, where the Blackhawks' training camp is taking place. About 100 reporters "sat on four rows of risers with 16 television cameras taping the proceedings at the top of the room." The press conference was "televised live across Canada on TSN, replayed coast-to-coast in the United States on ESPNews and was also shown live in both Chicago and Buffalo" (BUFFALO NEWS, 9/18).
ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE: CBSSPORTS.com's Chris Peters noted Kane "was excused" after taking questions to allow the execs and Quenneville to "proceed with the rest of the press conference." McDonough then "launched into his statement talking about the team's prior success, its excitement for the year ahead and defending their title." He also praised Blackhawks Chair Rocky Wirtz "for the culture he has created within the organization, which seemed like a weird venue for that remark." Kane's name "wasn't said again as the press conference transitioned abruptly and uncomfortably." What the Blackhawks did -- with McDonough's "lengthy statement about being glad the team had a short summer because it meant they won, with Stan Bowman saying how glad he was to be back on campus at his alma mater, with Joel Quenneville wishing the Fighting Irish football team luck Saturday" -- was make things "even more uncomfortable." It "reflected poorly" on the three "highly-respected, smart individuals that have earned their place among the league's best at what they do." It "could have been avoided" (CBSSPORTS.com, 9/17). The BUFFALO NEWS' Harrington notes McDonough was "defiant when asked if he was being tone-deaf to Kane's situation by moving into hockey talk." He replied, "I can assure you that I am anything but tone-deaf" (BUFFALO NEWS, 9/18).
DEFLECTED SHOTS: In Chicago, Steve Rosenbloom writes the Blackhawks "shouldn't have bothered taking questions if they wouldn't be answered." Kane and McDonough "should have read their statements and called it a news conference." If the Blackhawks were "going to bring Kane to camp, then the Hawks were going to lose this press conference." But where the Blackhawks "got routed was following the statements regarding the criminal investigation with the usual pre-camp happy talk of a returning champion." It was "tone deaf for an organization that always seems to play the right notes" (CHICAGO TRIBUNE, 9/18). SI.com's Allan Muir wrote Thursday's press conference "seems destined to leave a permanent black mark on many reputations." If Kane's prepared remarks were "all he was going to say" about the case -- "and honestly, given the circumstances, no one should have expected anything else -- Kane probably should have been excused from the dais at that point." Instead, an "epic PR disaster" resulted by him taking questions "with the stipulation that they be 'hockey only.'" Kane appeared "clearly shaken by the failed exercise." Then, the three men remaining on the stage "began speaking and turned the event into a total garbage fire" (SI.com, 9/17). SPORTING NEWS' Sean Gentille wrote the team made a "bad situation worse" by inviting Kane to camp. Having him take questions "was tone-deaf, stupid and served no purpose other than to illuminate how tone-deaf and stupid the Blackhawks, at this particular moment, seem to be" (SPORTINGNEWS.com, 9/17). In Chicago, Mark Potash writes the "only real message of the day was an unspoken one: the Hawks aren’t worried about losing the press conference as long as they can still win the Stanley Cup" (CHICAGO SUN-TIMES, 9/18).
WHY BOTHER? In Toronto, Bruce Arthur writes the Blackhawks competitively are a "model organization." Arthur: "But opening a season like this? Trot out Kane, who can’t answer questions about being a distraction because of the legal situation that is providing the distraction, and presto, time to start up the band." The press conference "was an embarrassment not just to the Blackhawks," but to the NHL (TORONTO STAR, 9/18). In Chicago, John Dietz writes the Blackhawks' strategy of "bringing Kane out to field questions, only to say very little, left many media members wondering why the Hawks didn't limit him to a quick statement." Dietz: "Why bring him out to say almost nothing?" (Chicago DAILY HERALD, 9/18). The NATIONAL POST's Scott Stinson writes the press conference was "an utter farce, and displayed exactly why Kane should not be anywhere near training camp at this point." Stinson: "Why offer him up to the media? Why bring him to training camp at all, when this process is not yet completed?" (NATIONAL POST, 9/18).
WHERE HAS BETTMAN BEEN? In Chicago, Barry Rozner writes while McDonough and Bowman "ushered in a new era of Hawks hockey Thursday," NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman was "nowhere to be found and the Hawks were left to say, well, nothing." Bettman could have taken the decision of whether Kane should be allowed at training camp "out of their hands and made the call himself, as he clearly has the power to do so, but he left Hawks brass dangling in front of the media and gritting their teeth." Now, the team's Stanley Cup celebration "has turned to disgust." Rozner: "Not exactly how you want to raise the banner." The Blackhawks' brand "has stood for class and excellence" since Wirtz took the helm, but right now all anyone "can think of or talk about" is Kane (Chicago DAILY HERALD, 9/18).
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FWIW heard a settlement is already in the works.
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FWIW heard a settlement is already in the works.
Big check writing time....
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FWIW heard a settlement is already in the works.
Shocking.
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FWIW heard a settlement is already in the works.
Despite the reports that say the exact opposite?
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Despite the reports that say the exact opposite?
Heard it from my lawyer buddy a little over a week ago. Not saying it's right but can't imagine she'll say no to a 7 figure check.
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Big check writing time....
Better break out the compass for all those zeros.
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Better break out the compass for all those zeros.
I'd be very surprised if there isn't a settlement. It will happen quietly, suddenly charges are dropped, neither side wishes to talk to the media, etc. Kobe redux.
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Is there a reason, from a legal perspective, that celebrities/athletes choose settlements instead of going to court?
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Is there a reason, from a legal perspective, that celebrities/athletes choose settlements instead of going to court?
So it never gets talked about again. A lot of those agreements have clauses where the potential prosecutor can't talk about it.
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No DNA from Kane found on the victim. I'll admit I thought he did it. Apparently it was a money scam.
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Coulda cracked open a new box of Trojans, hey?
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That'll teach him to keep his uniform on
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No DNA from Kane found on the victim. I'll admit I thought he did it. Apparently it was a money scam.
That's not what the report says. DNA was found on her shoulders, fingernails, etc. Not from the rape kit.
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That's not what the report says. DNA was found on her shoulders, fingernails, etc. Not from the rape kit.
You're not understanding what a "rape kit" is.
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You're not understanding what a "rape kit" is.
You are correct. Poorly stated by me....I was wrong. My mistake. Let me restate.
No spooge DNA was found in the woman's genital area, underwear. This could mean Kane didn't ejaculate, it could mean he wore a condom, it could mean he penetrated and did a money shot somewhere else not on her person, it could mean he didn't do anything at all.
The rape kit, however, also found his DNA on other parts of her body...shoulders, fingernails, etc.
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No DNA from Kane found on the victim. I'll admit I thought he did it. Apparently it was a money scam.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/8d0cbb27c43a4aa92c22a0a4c2852a66/tumblr_mhf1g2LjVw1ruu6lno1_500.jpg)
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Sexual assault can most certainly occur without DNA below the waist.
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Sexual assault can most certainly occur without DNA below the waist.
Yup
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Sexual assault can most certainly occur without DNA below the waist.
Yes, but rape? No, unless an inanimate object was in play, doubtful there is a legal case. Even if protection was used, a hair would have been found. Same with saliva or a digit. Nothing scientific that he went South of the Border at this point.
So, the case is left to a he said/she said over some back biting foreplay. There is a legal reason there has been no charges brought. A civil case where the burden of proof is wider and the accuser would be more open to a witness list about her previous relationships and where her social media footprint is now in play? Better to settle and move on. The Blackhawks and NHL know this.
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Yeah but nothing official has been said regarding the charges. If this were simply a money grab then I think we would have heard something from the defense side. My guess is that something unpleasant occurred but it wasn't rape.
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Yeah but nothing official has been said regarding the charges. If this were simply a money grab then I think we would have heard something from the defense side. My guess is that something unpleasant occurred but it wasn't rape.
Probably something along those lines. And probably something we will never hear a peep about.
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Yeah but nothing official has been said regarding the charges. If this were simply a money grab then I think we would have heard something from the defense side. My guess is that something unpleasant occurred but it wasn't rape.
Oh, I think that has well begun on the defense side...
http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/kane-accusers-name-is-all-over-new-york/
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/Stories/2015/AUG11/kane.html
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Oh, I think that has well begun on the defense side...
http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/kane-accusers-name-is-all-over-new-york/
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/Stories/2015/AUG11/kane.html
This is why so many women don't come forward....or is it that so many are made up?
I keep hearing stats on the politics board that less than 10% of sexual assault claims are made up.
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This is why so many women don't come forward....or is it that so many are made up?
I keep hearing stats on the politics board that less than 10% of sexual assault claims are made up.
Even lower than that. It's less than 1%. I should have clarified my earlier post. Kane probably didn't rape the girl but something did probably happen as people before have said.
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This is why so many women don't come forward....
Man no kidding. According to the hypotheses in the articles, she made this up because...
**She is known among the Buffalo party circuit
**She has had relationships with two NFL players
**She deleted her Facebook and Instagram accounts before contacting the police
I mean really...
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Sexual assault can most certainly occur without DNA below the waist.
Right. The real relevance is likely to bE the consistency/inconsistency with each party's version of events. May be completely consistent with what both say happened, and thus more or less irrelevant.
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Man no kidding. According to the hypotheses in the articles, she made this up because...
**She is known among the Buffalo party circuit
**She has had relationships with two NFL players
**She deleted her Facebook and Instagram accounts before contacting the police
I mean really...
Criminal case? Not admissible. Civil case brought by her? Very admissible.
I also might note that the party circuit reference was among hockey players, not just NFL players. I wonder if they would testify against PK?
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I think the only thing this affected was the settlement going from 7 figured to 6 and we will still never hear of it after this off season.
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Criminal case? Not admissible. Civil case brought by her? Very admissible.
I also might note that the party circuit reference was among hockey players, not just NFL players. I wonder if they would testify against PK?
I don't even mean legally, I mean that people who have no idea what went on are trashing the alleged victim based on the fact that she had relationships with athletes, closed her Facebook account, etc.
Of course Patrick Kane has been pretty much an angel and has a history of good decision making right?
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These leaked DNA reports are not looking good for the accuser. No Kane around the lady parts, but up to two other DNAs?
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I don't even mean legally, I mean that people who have no idea what went on are trashing the alleged victim based on the fact that she had relationships with athletes, closed her Facebook account, etc.
Of course Patrick Kane has been pretty much an angel and has a history of good decision making right?
So that makes him guilty? Let the evidence decide maybe? At this point there is evidence of a hickey.
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/Stories/2015/SEP22/Kane.html
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So that makes him guilty?
No. I never said he was guilty.
My point is that people go to great lengths to vilify the alleged victim based on her past actions, but don't do the same for the alleged perp. And it is only amplified further when the alleged perp is a celebrity.
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No. I never said he was guilty.
My point is that people go to great lengths to vilify the alleged victim based on her past actions, but don't do the same for the alleged perp. And it is only amplified further when the alleged perp is a celebrity.
Got it. Sorry for misinterpreting. The young women's lawyer is on with a presser this AM now. I think it is clear this is transitioning from a criminal to civil case. Let's see her side via her lawyer today. I am sure there will be some headlines coming out of this as well.
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No problem.
People also need to understand that this stuff about the alleged victim is coming out likely from Kane's side. And as you said, it is likely due to transitioning from a criminal to civil case.
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My point is that people go to great lengths to vilify the alleged victim based on her past actions, but don't do the same for the alleged perp.
You're kidding, right? Apparently you haven't been reading or listening to much Chicago media. I'd say it's close to 50/50. Purely anectdotaly of course, but I'd say just as many folks are ready to send the guy to prison, as those blaming the accuser.
Barry Rozner said on the radio within the last couple weeks that we should stop attaching the word, "alleged" for crying out loud. One example I know, but geez.
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You're kidding, right? Apparently you haven't been reading or listening to much Chicago media. I'd say it's close to 50/50.
I have. The Chicago media has been fine. But the people "at large?" Very sad.
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I have. The Chicago media has been fine. But the people "at large?" Very sad.
No, they haven't been fine. To your point, they have notbashed the accuser. What many have done is convict the accused.
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No, they haven't been fine. To your point, they have notbashed the accuser. What many have done is convict the accused.
Oh good lord.
Then you and I are consuming completely different media. Or you're biased. Take your pick.
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Oh good lord.
Then you and I are consuming completely different media. Or you're biased. Take your pick.
Or you are. The folks at WSCR as an example, almost to a man have made up their minds. As I said, Rozner actually said on air we should stop using the word, "alleged."
All of that said, I think they are probably correct. Something obviously happened, and good chance it was criminal. Of course we'll never really know. I can say that however without being irresponsible. They can't.
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Well, the circus has officially rolled into town with this whole evidence bag thing. Really, really weird. Where is the DA? Where is the police chief? Director of the crime lab?
For the bag to have been dropped at her door is obviously a concern, but not sure why so much alarm that the bag was opened. There is a very basic question that came to my mind immediately, that not a single reporter chose to ask...in order for the evidence to be tested, wouldn't the bag have to be opened? I'm no Elliott Stabler, but I don't think the fact that the bag was open to be a particularly compelling element of the whole thing. Then again, I'm a skeptic by nature.
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Yeah here is a summary.
http://deadspin.com/lawyer-of-patrick-kanes-accuser-claims-rape-kit-was-tam-1732598494?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
What a sh!tshow this has become.
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I don't know s**t, but when I look at the picture, of the various bags, I see bags that contained evidence, were opened and emptied in order to test the evidence, and then discarded in some way. That last part may be where there is a problem, but I don't necessarily see why there should be an implication that evidence was necessarily tampered with or chain of custody was broken, if in fact the evidence was properly handled, documented, and is safe and sound where it belongs right now. If this is some sort of smoke screen, my guess is that the police, DA, etc. could explain that in about 5 seconds,but who the hell knows.
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If it was left at the mother of the accuser's house, there is a chain of custody problem.
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I honestly don't know what to think nor do I have any idea what the truth of that night is. Crazy stuff.
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If it was left at the mother of the accuser's house, there is a chain of custody problem.
I understand. What I'm saying is that evidence was not left. Bags that at one time contained evidencece were (allegedly) left. Like I said, I don't know a damn thing, but my assumption is that those bags are not re-used one the evidence is removed and tested. I would think they would be retained, but the again maybe not, if they have a mechanism to document custody.
Pretty sure we'll have to hear from the police/DA on this one.
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Law 101
When ya got the law on your side, argue the law. When ya got the facts on your side, argue the facts. When ya got neither, muddy the waters, ai na?
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That's nuts. It happened in Buffalo and Kane is in Chicago so not Kanes doing. Maybe he got someone to do it for him but some weird stuff going on.
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Accuser's attorney publicly unveiling this whole thing in grand fashion, as opposed to police/DA/FBI or whomever he wants, is also extremely sketchy. If you want an independent investigation, then ask for it. Why the press conference a day after this happened? Someone feigning concern over the integrity of evidence, probably should not maintain possession of evidence in what he is at least suggesting is another crime having been committed, let alone waving it all over TV (and exposing accuser's identity in the process).
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I understand. What I'm saying is that evidence was not left. Bags that at one time contained evidencece were (allegedly) left. Like I said, I don't know a damn thing, but my assumption is that those bags are not re-used one the evidence is removed and tested. I would think they would be retained, but the again maybe not, if they have a mechanism to document custody.
Pretty sure we'll have to hear from the police/DA on this one.
My point...
https://twitter.com/matt_rodewald/status/646770013177802752
And...
Erie County Commissioner of Central Police Services John Glascott also said his department, which handles evidence analyis, followed all proper procedures and that all of the evidence was accounted for.
Glascott said in a statement: “All evidence related to this case that was given to Erie County Central Police Services by the Town of Hamburg Police Department is accounted for and remains in its original packaging in the possession of Erie County Central Police Services. This includes the evidence in the rape kit and the packaging itself. This evidence has been analyzed and reports of that analysis sent to the appropriate agencies.”
Beyond strange. Also probably not difficult to prove.
Extremely unlikely that any charges will be filed. That was always the case whether he's guilty or not. This thing today almost feels like a Hail Mary by accuser's attorney.
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If this DNA scam came from thw prosecutors, that's almost as bad as if Kane did rape her. (If he's innocent
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My point...
https://twitter.com/matt_rodewald/status/646770013177802752
And...
Erie County Commissioner of Central Police Services John Glascott also said his department, which handles evidence analyis, followed all proper procedures and that all of the evidence was accounted for.
Glascott said in a statement: “All evidence related to this case that was given to Erie County Central Police Services by the Town of Hamburg Police Department is accounted for and remains in its original packaging in the possession of Erie County Central Police Services. This includes the evidence in the rape kit and the packaging itself. This evidence has been analyzed and reports of that analysis sent to the appropriate agencies.”
Beyond strange. Also probably not difficult to prove.
Extremely unlikely that any charges will be filed. That was always the case whether he's guilty or not. This thing today almost feels like a Hail Mary by accuser's attorney.
Now belief among some that "evidence" being dropped off was a horrible practical joke.
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Now belief among some that "evidence" being dropped off was a horrible practical joke.
So odd. Pretty much if his presser was about a punk'd, you can kiss any major cash settlement good-bye
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Pretty crazy drama
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These leaked DNA reports are not looking good for the accuser. No Kane around the lady parts, but up to two other DNAs?
bukakke, a'inal?
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Well. The accuser's attorney has quit due to "misrepresentations" about the evidence bag. I think this ends soon.
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Well. The accuser's attorney has quit due to "misrepresentations" about the evidence bag. I think this ends soon.
That was so dumb. This thing has been a cluster f*uck
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Well. The accuser's attorney has quit due to "misrepresentations" about the evidence bag. I think this ends soon.
And some sort of weird misinformation by the accuser's mother. Strange.
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Well. The accuser's attorney has quit due to "misrepresentations" about the evidence bag. I think this ends soon.
So, is it possible he's really innocent? From the beginning I said something didn't feel right, but I just didn't know what, and still came down on the side of he probably did it. Now, at the very least, it sure seems like those initial instincts were justified.
I have to admit also that the complete radio silence from the police/DA throughout, coupled with the delay in the grand jury, etc. had me wondering if the accuser herself was not possibly being investigated for possible charges of filing a false claim, obstruction, or whatever the offense would be. I think that is a long shot still, but the way this thing has gone...
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Well. The accuser's attorney has quit due to "misrepresentations" about the evidence bag. I think this ends soon.
BTW, could this attorney possibly make himself look like a bigger dumbass by stopping off for a press conference before bringing this evidence bag to authorities (as someone may have correctly pointed out yesterday afternoon).
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BTW, could this attorney possibly make himself look like a bigger dumbass by stopping off for a press conference before bringing this evidence bag to authorities (as someone may have correctly pointed out yesterday afternoon).
Guy was had. Big time. Otherwise, he wouldn't have outed the girl.
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So, is it possible he's really innocent? From the beginning I said something didn't feel right, but I just didn't know what, and still came down on the side of he probably did it. Now, at the very least, it sure seems like those initial instincts were justified.
I have to admit also that the complete radio silence from the police/DA throughout, coupled with the delay in the grand jury, etc. had me wondering if the accuser herself was not possibly being investigated for possible charges of filing a false claim, obstruction, or whatever the offense would be. I think that is a long shot still, but the way this thing has gone...
You just might be on to something here. Anyway, pretty sure that criminal charges against Kane aren't coming and also thinking that he'll be in no mood to settle anything with a check. I still think it's likely that he behaved badly in some way that night at a minimum allowing a situation to escalate to a point where bad things could happen (getting absolutely plastered and inviting girls to a house post party when he should know he has a target on his back). But I'm increasingly convinced that the most serious charges against him aren't true. I wouldn't have said that in early August when this was first reported.
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DA has a presser this AM. Stay tuned.
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The accuser's mom who's a nurse planted the evidence bag? Did I hear that correctly?
Also, the girl's friend is now hesitant to testify because her memories of the evening aren't completely clear. Odd, odd situation all the way around.
At this point, I truly hope that Kane did absolutely nothing wrong because he's not going to be charged. It would be a shame if this girl truly was assaulted but had her case basically "sabotaged" by those closest to her.
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DA has a presser this AM. Stay tuned.
Eh. Let me sum that one up for you right now..."we can confirm that all evidence in the on-going sexual assault investigation has been and remains properly stored and documented, and there is no indication of any evidence tampering whatsoever. We have begun an investigation into the situation, and as a result we will have no further comment. As to the investigation into the sexual assault allegations, that remains an on-going investigation, and we have no additional comment. Thank you for coming, you're free to ask questions I won't answer."
Exactly how it should be handled, but nothing significant likley to come out of it.
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At this point, I truly hope that Kane did absolutely nothing wrong because he's not going to be charged. It would be a shame if this girl truly was assaulted but had her case basically "sabotaged" by those closest to her.
Boy, you said it. Criminal charges were unlikely from the start, but now forget about it. At this point I think even a civil suit is unlikely, so with no trial of any kind, the public is left to draw their own conclusions based on media accounts (which have been awful from the start), and there isn't a winner in the bunch.
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Boy, you said it. Criminal charges were unlikely from the start, but now forget about it. At this point I think even a civil suit is unlikely, so with no trial of any kind, the public is left to draw their own conclusions based on media accounts (which have been awful from the start), and there isn't a winner in the bunch.
Totally agree. And as a Blackhawks fan I think it's important not to hold a grudge against Kane. It's entirely possible that nothing particularly bad happened that directly involved him. Unfortunately, he has a reputation that's a bit hard to shake. He's already apologized for being a distraction. Perhaps that's enough.
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The accuser changed her top before going to the hospital. A bag was sent home with her and her mother, in which they were supposed to put the top she wore during the alleged assault and return it to the hospital. Instead, an officer went to the home to retrieve the shirt but used a different bag. 6+ weeks later, the mother planted the bag at her own house as evidence of tampering?!
IMO, either the mother 1) learned her daughter was lying and tried to help out in an incredibly, incredibly stupid way or 2) worried that they wouldn't get a fair trial and tried to help her traumatized daughter's case in an incredibly, incredibly stupid way.
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Totally agree. And as a Blackhawks fan I think it's important not to hold a grudge against Kane. It's entirely possible that nothing particularly bad happened that directly involved him. Unfortunately, he has a reputation that's a bit hard to shake. He's already apologized for being a distraction. Perhaps that's enough.
I, too, am a Blackhawks fan, but I don't know if I want to be part of this group anymore.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/julie-dicaro-twitter-threats-patrick-kane_5605b532e4b0af3706dc5210?cps=gravity_5053_-4295235193091985349
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I, too, am a Blackhawks fan, but I don't know if I want to be part of this group anymore.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/julie-dicaro-twitter-threats-patrick-kane_5605b532e4b0af3706dc5210?cps=gravity_5053_-4295235193091985349
Everyone has idiots
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Everyone has idiots
Agreed.
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Everyone has idiots
It's the racist sweaters that need to be stopped
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It's the racist sweaters that need to be stopped
Speaking of idiotic statements.....
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It's the racist sweaters that need to be stopped
Tremendously timed troll