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What is your outlook for our 2015-16 season. This assumes Luke is healthy by the start of the season.

The poll only allowed me to select up to 6 options. So I made sure to cover all my bases.

No chance at a sweet 16? Elite 8? Final 4?

All or nothing it appears!!

I know I have it covered this year.   I voted for my top 6 choices. 

  Any of the 12 that voted for a losing season like to Share?

Quote from: Loose Cannon on June 08, 2015, 06:14:46 PM
  Any of the 12 that voted for a losing season like to Share?

I'm not a season ticket holder for the first time in over a decade, and I believe that will negatively impact the team.

Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 09, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
I'm not a season ticket holder for the first time in over a decade, and I believe that will negatively impact the team.

Thanks for sharing.

Cannot believe "Undefeated National Champs" is not an option.

MU will be back in the dance.

Quote from: Loose Cannon on June 09, 2015, 11:23:24 AM

Thanks for sharing.

Anytime. It was my pleasure.

Quote from: Loose Cannon on June 08, 2015, 06:14:46 PM
  Any of the 12 that voted for a losing season like to Share?

Like Tower and Bricky, I also voted "all of the above."

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 08, 2015, 03:53:51 PM
No chance at a sweet 16? Elite 8? Final 4?

All or nothing it appears!!

Being a little crazy is like being a little pregnant.  Anything above win one game in the NCAA is more than a little crazy, so why not just go for it.

Quote from: Benny B on June 09, 2015, 01:58:04 PM
Like Tower and Bricky, I also voted "all of the above."

Ben Franklin:   Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gain

Jack Brickhouse:  No Hits, No Runs,  No Errors
   

Quote from: Loose Cannon on June 08, 2015, 06:14:46 PM
  Any of the 12 that voted for a losing season like to Share?

I was not one of the twelve but I remember an MU coach saying the best thing about freshman is they become sophomores. We will be hurt by lack of quality  D1 experience. Having said that we will see a winning season and significant improvement but a run in the NCAA is unlikely in MHO unless we get some JC's or transfers that can play this year.

For the record, unless HEllenson is the real deal and at least two other freshmen make significant contributions, MU doesn't go back to the dance.   That is a big ask for teams not named Kentucky. 

Quote from: tower912 on June 09, 2015, 07:39:55 PM
For the record, unless HEllenson is the real deal and at least two other freshmen make significant contributions, MU doesn't go back to the dance.   That is a big ask for teams not named Kentucky. 

Why does it need to be a frosh? If JJJ or Sandy make a jump whilst Duane and Luke continue progression I believe it's possible.

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 09, 2015, 08:28:09 PM
Why does it need to be a frosh? If JJJ or Sandy make a jump whilst Duane and Luke continue progression I believe it's possible.

Duane, JJJ, Sandy, Luke, Wally.    If they all improve and Henry is the real deal, that is still just a 6 man rotation.   Ergo, at least two of Carter, Haanif, Amin, and Heldt need to contribute so that there can be an actual 8 man rotation and not just 8 scholarship players so everybody plays. 

Quote from: tower912 on June 09, 2015, 07:39:55 PM
For the record, unless HEllenson is the real deal and at least two other freshmen make significant contributions, MU doesn't go back to the dance.   That is a big ask for teams not named Kentucky. 

Absolutely all valid points.  I'm a little more optimistic (Maybe wishful thinking) about the freshmen and the returning players.

We will be Bigger and have more scorers, 3PT shooters, Drivers, and more proficient FT scoring.  I'm looking for better passing and an increase from 14-15 seasons assists 479 and 3 players (Derrick, Carlino, and Duane) accounted for 43% of the total.  I'm hopping for a substantial increase with us being bigger on the offence rim.

Wojo and staff (Less Johnson) with have a year under their belt.

Anyways, as someone said, "In matters of opinion, debate is pointless, take it for what it is and move on"

I'm going to aim low and say NIT appearance.  That way, I'll be pleasantly surprised by the freshman we have this year (and the subtractions from last year). 

Need to revisit this right before the season starts then mid-season.

Quote from: MU82 on June 09, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
Cannot believe "Undefeated National Champs" is not an option.

And I can't believe mind altering drugs aren't legal either!

My gut is this team may be good enough to make the NCAA tournament and maybe win one game depending on seeding. But unless our freshmen are the real, real, deal, we won't go deep. We're going to lose head-scratching games that we all think, "what the....?" And we'll likely surprise people too with some very outstanding games -- are you watching Villanova, because we are!

If you take the nearly a dozen games or so last year where we faded in the final few minutes and assume  a deeper bench, Henry and Luke as a team and more guard strength, we should win more than a few we lost last year and be good enough for a tournament berth.

I'm excited for where we are. We're in much better shape than we were a year ago and the future is extremely promising.

I think they have a chance to win couple of games in NCAA. The young guys will get playing time early and that is a plus to me. Also, I really think that Luke will have big year next season.

Quote from: tower912 on June 09, 2015, 07:39:55 PM
For the record, unless HEllenson is the real deal and at least two other freshmen make significant contributions, MU doesn't go back to the dance.   That is a big ask for teams not named Kentucky. 

This makes the most sense. Obviously, the above poll is made up of optimistic MU homers and is not scientific. Just over 50% believe we will make the dance and win at least one game. That is a tall order coming off a 13-19 season with a coach that has not yet proved that he can do the X's and O's. While I love the Warriors as much as anybody as a life long fan, for the dance to happen, we will have to either get huge contributions from newcomers and/or near All-American performances from Wilson and Fischer. But hey, we can dream, ai'na?

Anyone want to get more specific about 15-16.

To make this a little more interesting, and it being so early, the playing field is now level for everyone.

1)  What 5 will make the most contributions all thru the 15-16 season?  (Only list 5 makes it much more difficult)

2)  Any disappointments?


My 5

1) Henry
2) Luke
3) Duane
4) Sacar
5) Traci

No Disappointments.

Quote from: Loose Cannon on June 10, 2015, 11:27:25 AM

Anyone want to get more specific about 15-16.

To make this a little more interesting, and it being so early, the playing field is now level for everyone.

1)  What 5 will make the most contributions all thru the 15-16 season?  (Only list 5 makes it much more difficult)

2)  Any disappointments?


My 5

1) Henry
2) Luke
3) Duane
4) Sacar
5) Traci

No Disappointments.

Your first 3 seem the most obvious. Sacar and Traci are much more difficult to predict, given they are frosh. Of course, so is Henry, but much more heralded. I would put JJJ in there, and maybe Traci, but that is a lot to expect of a Freshman playing the point.

Quote from: Loose Cannon on June 10, 2015, 11:27:25 AM

Anyone want to get more specific about 15-16.

To make this a little more interesting, and it being so early, the playing field is now level for everyone.

1)  What 5 will make the most contributions all thru the 15-16 season?  (Only list 5 makes it much more difficult)

2)  Any disappointments?


My 5

1) Henry
2) Luke
3) Duane
4) Sacar
5) Traci

No Disappointments.

Duane
Henry
Luke
JJJ

Those 4 forsure. Then I'd go Traci, Sandy, Haanif in that order of likelihood for 5 spot

I currently see our rotation as:

1: Carter
2: Duane
3: JjJ
4: Henry
5: Luke

Bench
1: Wally
2: Cheatham
3: Cohen
4: Heldt
5: Anim

The biggest ? is Carter. If you go by high school rankings, he should be the second to last player on our bench. Instead he is our starting PG. I've heard some positive things and I know we are all optimistic, but honestly that scares me immensely.

My big hope is that we do get contribution minutes from 9 guys on most nights.

Unless Luke and Henry stay out of foul trouble then Matt won't need to get much.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 10, 2015, 12:27:39 PM
I currently see our rotation as:

1: Carter
2: Duane
3: JjJ
4: Henry
5: Luke

Bench
1: Wally
2: Cheatham
3: Cohen
4: Heldt
5: Anim

The biggest ? is Carter. If you go by high school rankings, he should be the second to last player on our bench. Instead he is our starting PG. I've heard some positive things and I know we are all optimistic, but honestly that scares me immensely.

It is possible that Wojo changes his mind and starts Duane at point.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 10, 2015, 12:27:39 PM
I currently see our rotation as:

1: Carter
2: Duane
3: JjJ
4: Henry
5: Luke

Bench
1: Wally
2: Cheatham
3: Cohen
4: Heldt
5: Anim

The biggest ? is Carter. If you go by high school rankings, he should be the second to last player on our bench. Instead he is our starting PG. I've heard some positive things and I know we are all optimistic, but honestly that scares me immensely.

That knee injury really limited his ranking potential.

Quote from: Aughnanure on June 10, 2015, 01:36:17 PM
That knee injury really limited his ranking potential.

Yup.

I will bet money that Wilson starts at the point this year.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 10, 2015, 12:27:39 PM
I currently see our rotation as:

1: Carter
2: Duane
3: JjJ
4: Henry
5: Luke

Bench
1: Wally
2: Cheatham
3: Cohen
4: Heldt
5: Anim

The biggest ? is Carter. If you go by high school rankings, he should be the second to last player on our bench. Instead he is our starting PG. I've heard some positive things and I know we are all optimistic, but honestly that scares me immensely.

This is my exact rotation guess and agree with everything you say.

Quote from: Aughnanure on June 10, 2015, 01:36:17 PM
That knee injury really limited his ranking potential.

I know that, but that doesn't really make me feel any better. Handing over the reins to a freshman PG is scary enough. Giving over the reins to a freshman PG with a history of knee injuries? Terrifying.

FWIW, I think Carter will be solid and hope he will be a stud. But I think the PG position will again be our main weakness and will continue to hold us back for another season.

Quote from: Loose Cannon on June 09, 2015, 09:19:51 PM
Absolutely all valid points.  I'm a little more optimistic (Maybe wishful thinking) about the freshmen and the returning players.

We will be Bigger and have more scorers, 3PT shooters, Drivers, and more proficient FT scoring.  I'm looking for better passing and an increase from 14-15 seasons assists 479 and 3 players (Derrick, Carlino, and Duane) accounted for 43% of the total.  I'm hopping for a substantial increase with us being bigger on the offence rim.

Wojo and staff (Less Johnson) with have a year under their belt.

Anyways, as someone said, "In matters of opinion, debate is pointless, take it for what it is and move on"

Let's do some work with that quote.  If we drop the second sentence of the compound sentence, we get:

"In matters of opinion, debate is pointless..."

Now let's add this:

...but there's no reason that should stop us."

There it is!  A motto for MUScoop!

Quote from: Goose on June 10, 2015, 01:50:09 PM
I will bet money that Wilson starts at the point this year.

PM me and we'll get it (a bet) done.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 10, 2015, 02:21:16 PM
I know that, but that doesn't really make me feel any better. Handing over the reins to a freshman PG is scary enough. Giving over the reins to a freshman PG with a history of knee injuries? Terrifying.

FWIW, I think Carter will be solid and hope he will be a stud. But I think the PG position will again be our main weakness and will continue to hold us back for another season.

(http://static.gamesradar.com/images/sfx/2011/10/psycho-scream-311011.jpg)

Count me in the 'Duane Wilson will start at PG' camp.   

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 10, 2015, 12:13:34 PM
Duane
Henry
Luke
JJJ

Those 4 forsure. Then I'd go Traci, Sandy, Haanif in that order of likelihood for 5 spot

Just to be clear these are the 5 Contributors  during the full season not necessarily starters.  Maybe Someone coming on strong after the season begins.

Quote from: Loose Cannon on June 10, 2015, 11:27:25 AM

Anyone want to get more specific about 15-16.

To make this a little more interesting, and it being so early, the playing field is now level for everyone.
1)  What 5 will make the most contributions all thru the 15-16 season?  (Only list 5 makes it much more difficult)
2)  Any disappointments?

1)
 Luke
 Duane
 Henry
 JJJ
 Sacar

2) Disappointments: If Henry can't walk on water, then....?

No Disappointments.

Quote from: Loose Cannon on June 10, 2015, 03:56:05 PM
Just to be clear these are the 5 Contributors  during the full season not necessarily starters.  Maybe Someone coming on strong after the season begins.

I know what you meant.

The 4 I posted will forsure be our top 4 guys. Then most likely Carter out of necessity.

Quote from: willie warrior on June 10, 2015, 11:49:51 AM
Your first 3 seem the most obvious. Sacar and Traci are much more difficult to predict, given they are frosh. Of course, so is Henry, but much more heralded. I would put JJJ in there, and maybe Traci, but that is a lot to expect of a Freshman playing the point.

Attempting to choose Only the best 5 Contributors (Not concerned with Rotation) has kind of sharpen my focus of what we have and what we might be missing.  Looking and trying to project what each player might contribute.

I choose Sacar because I like his pedigree.  I don't think he starts the season, but believe he plays major minutes.  I think he will become our designated Driver together with Duane and Traci. 

He comes with a winner's mentality (which I think is contagious).  He has won 4 straight titles with his HS team.  He's won the Minnesota POY last year.  There's something there I really like.

With Traci, I look for a pass first and score as needed PG.  I look for a lot more assists from Duane, Sacar and Traci drive to our big men this year.  Last year we had 479 assists, Derrick had 150   I'm hopping for a 30-40 season increase and a more balanced distribution.

It's fun, as of right now there is NO RIGHT answer.

Quote from: LittleWade on June 10, 2015, 02:21:26 PM
Let's do some work with that quote.  If we drop the second sentence of the compound sentence, we get:

"In matters of opinion, debate is pointless..."

Now let's add this:

...but there's no reason that should stop us."

There it is!  A motto for MUScoop!

I Like it.. I like it