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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 06, 2015, 01:51:49 AM
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Backup plan for Coffey?
https://twitter.com/JoshGershon/status/606945723440078850
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Backup plan for Coffey?
https://twitter.com/JoshGershon/status/606945723440078850
How many total offers do we have out for 2016?
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How many total offers do we have out for 2016?
By my count (and I may miss a few) we have 10 offers out technically...
1. Sam Hauser, 6'6" SF Committed, but until he signs his NLI, it's still only an offer.
2. Amir Coffey, 6'7" SG Has been a top target for awhile. Mark Miller (the MU name worth following) picked him to Marquette on Crystal Ball.
3. Javin Montgomery-DeLaurier, 6'9" PF Top-40 PF that has received a ton of offers recently.
4. Cassius Winston, 6'1" PG Rowsey likely indicates Wojo thought Winston would be too tough to pry out of Michigan.
5. Kevin Huerter, 6'5" PG Big, physical point can also play off the ball, but can't see another PG after Rowsey. Wojo did have an in-home a couple months ago.
6. Myles Powell, 5'11" PG Another point that likely wouldn't be taken with Rowsey in the fold.
7. Lamar Stevens, 6'6" SF Unlikely, but an offer was extended awhile ago before Hauser committed. More physical than Sam, but not near the shooter.
8. Brendan Bailey, 6'8" SF Former ASU commit offered after Stan Johnson joined the fold.
9. Emmanuel Malou, 6'9" PF JUCO player (I believe will have 2 years eligibility) is raw but talented.
10. Kyle Washington, 6'9" PF Transfer, but would take a 2016 scholarship so I included him. Visiting Marquette as I type this.
Now, how many of those offers stand? Obviously Hauser, who is committed. On the other hand, I don't believe Winston, Huerter, and Powell are still being actively pursued by Marquette. Stevens is also someone we offered awhile ago, not sure the staff is still actively after him.
My guess is Washington and Coffey could commit at any time. DeLaurier is a long-shot. Bailey and Malou I suspect are backup plans to Coffey and Washington, respectively.
Then of course there's Kostas Antetokounmpo. In addition to 247 having him ranked #21 and a 5-star, Scout's new rankings have him ranked #70 and climbing the rankings. The kid is as raw as the sashimi I ate last night, but there may not be more than a handful of players in the country with more potential. Even if there isn't a Marquette offer next to his name, Wojo and company are involved.
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By my count (and I may miss a few) we have 10 offers out technically...
1. Sam Hauser, 6'6" SF Committed, but until he signs his NLI, it's still only an offer.
2. Amir Coffey, 6'7" SG Has been a top target for awhile. Mark Miller (the MU name worth following) picked him to Marquette on Crystal Ball.
3. Javin Montgomery-DeLaurier, 6'9" PF Top-40 PF that has received a ton of offers recently.
4. Cassius Winston, 6'1" PG Rowsey likely indicates Wojo thought Winston would be too tough to pry out of Michigan.
5. Kevin Huerter, 6'5" PG Big, physical point can also play off the ball, but can't see another PG after Rowsey. Wojo did have an in-home a couple months ago.
6. Myles Powell, 5'11" PG Another point that likely wouldn't be taken with Rowsey in the fold.
7. Lamar Stevens, 6'6" SF Unlikely, but an offer was extended awhile ago before Hauser committed. More physical than Sam, but not near the shooter.
8. Brendan Bailey, 6'8" SF Former ASU commit offered after Stan Johnson joined the fold.
9. Emmanuel Malou, 6'9" PF JUCO player (I believe will have 2 years eligibility) is raw but talented.
10. Kyle Washington, 6'9" PF Transfer, but would take a 2016 scholarship so I included him. Visiting Marquette as I type this.
Now, how many of those offers stand? Obviously Hauser, who is committed. On the other hand, I don't believe Winston, Huerter, and Powell are still being actively pursued by Marquette. Stevens is also someone we offered awhile ago, not sure the staff is still actively after him.
My guess is Washington and Coffey could commit at any time. DeLaurier is a long-shot. Bailey and Malou I suspect are backup plans to Coffey and Washington, respectively.
Then of course there's Kostas Antetokounmpo. In addition to 247 having him ranked #21 and a 5-star, Scout's new rankings have him ranked #70 and climbing the rankings. The kid is as raw as the sashimi I ate last night, but there may not be more than a handful of players in the country with more potential. Even if there isn't a Marquette offer next to his name, Wojo and company are involved.
Great stuff. Thanks. Quick question. Are back up targets told to hold off? In other words, are offers made conditionally?
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Good job, how about 2017 next?
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By my count (and I may miss a few) we have 10 offers out technically...
1. Sam Hauser, 6'6" SF Committed, but until he signs his NLI, it's still only an offer.
2. Amir Coffey, 6'7" SG Has been a top target for awhile. Mark Miller (the MU name worth following) picked him to Marquette on Crystal Ball.
3. Javin Montgomery-DeLaurier, 6'9" PF Top-40 PF that has received a ton of offers recently.
4. Cassius Winston, 6'1" PG Rowsey likely indicates Wojo thought Winston would be too tough to pry out of Michigan.
5. Kevin Huerter, 6'5" PG Big, physical point can also play off the ball, but can't see another PG after Rowsey. Wojo did have an in-home a couple months ago.
6. Myles Powell, 5'11" PG Another point that likely wouldn't be taken with Rowsey in the fold.
7. Lamar Stevens, 6'6" SF Unlikely, but an offer was extended awhile ago before Hauser committed. More physical than Sam, but not near the shooter.
8. Brendan Bailey, 6'8" SF Former ASU commit offered after Stan Johnson joined the fold.
9. Emmanuel Malou, 6'9" PF JUCO player (I believe will have 2 years eligibility) is raw but talented.
10. Kyle Washington, 6'9" PF Transfer, but would take a 2016 scholarship so I included him. Visiting Marquette as I type this.
Now, how many of those offers stand? Obviously Hauser, who is committed. On the other hand, I don't believe Winston, Huerter, and Powell are still being actively pursued by Marquette. Stevens is also someone we offered awhile ago, not sure the staff is still actively after him.
My guess is Washington and Coffey could commit at any time. DeLaurier is a long-shot. Bailey and Malou I suspect are backup plans to Coffey and Washington, respectively.
Then of course there's Kostas Antetokounmpo. In addition to 247 having him ranked #21 and a 5-star, Scout's new rankings have him ranked #70 and climbing the rankings. The kid is as raw as the sashimi I ate last night, but there may not be more than a handful of players in the country with more potential. Even if there isn't a Marquette offer next to his name, Wojo and company are involved.
Great stuff, brew. Everything I needed to know in one detailed, insightful post. Thanks!
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Great stuff. Thanks. Quick question. Are back up targets told to hold off? In other words, are offers made conditionally?
Not sure how Wojo words it. Many of the offers come down to how a recruit interprets what the staff says. With the most recent offers of Bailey and Malou, for example, did Wojo call and say "I'd like to offer you a scholarship to Marquette" or did Johnson call and say "We're very interested in the possibility of bringing you to Marquette."? A player could view either as a scholarship offer, but the former would be a lot more concrete than the latter.
The most concrete offers will be the ones that come on campus. Saying something like "we will be watching you this summer and would like to get you on campus to offer you a scholarship" is another thing that could be interpreted as an offer, but puts the contingency of continuing to evaluate their play and ultimately the firm offer will come if and when the player and school arrange the on-campus visit.
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Great job BREW CITY Stay away from the raw sashimi Need more reports like this from you.
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Great information, thanks for posting this! A Washington commitment in the next few days would be super.
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Thank you Brew. I don't quite understand the terms of offers, especially when more offers are made than we have room for. Are there time limits? Or is it "first come, first serve"?
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Thank you Brew. I don't quite understand the terms of offers, especially when more offers are made than we have room for. Are there time limits? Or is it "first come, first serve"?
Offers really mean nothing. All it means is that a school is interested. If a player says "yes I'll commit" coach can say "not yet. Youre a backup plan for another player"
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I know we are down to 1 scholarship for 2016. Brew City didn't mention---Paschal Chukwu from Providence, Josh
Cunningham from Bradley and Chris Olivier from Eastern Illinois. I know these players were once mentioned. Are
they on our list? Hope not. Any word.
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I know we are down to 1 scholarship for 2016. Brew City didn't mention---Paschal Chukwu from Providence, Josh
Cunningham from Bradley and Chris Olivier from Eastern Illinois. I know these players were once mentioned. Are
they on our list? Hope not. Any word.
Olivier commited to Oklahoma state. Chukwu is from providence and can't transfer to another big east school. No word on Cunningham.
I dont think any of these three have ever been linked to marquette since they left they're old schools
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Thank you Brew. I don't quite understand the terms of offers, especially when more offers are made than we have room for. Are there time limits? Or is it "first come, first serve"?
I do not know how Wojo's work. Tom Crean said that the offer was not good until the recruit visited and the players voted on accepting the recruit. Buzz got commitments from a few players before they even visited. I suspect Wojo is more like Crean in that he wants to make sure the player fits in.
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Olivier commited to Oklahoma state. Chukwu is from providence and can't transfer to another big east school. No word on Cunningham.
I dont think any of these three have ever been linked to marquette since they left they're old schools
Cunningham is down to Dayton and Illinois.......MU was never mentioned with him
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Brendan Bailey is coming to Marquette this weekend for an official visit. Marquette picked up a prediction today on 247...for what that's worth. If they pull this off, we can thank Stan Johnson.
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And apparently will be doing a Mormon mission after this season. So I guess that means he wouldn't be going anywhere until 2018?
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 57m57 minutes ago
2016 wing Brendan Bailey will take an official visit to Marquette this weekend, source told @CBSSports. Top-75 player in class.
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And apparently will be doing a Mormon mission after this season. So I guess that means he wouldn't be going anywhere until 2018?
Somebody help me with this? Why would a guy do an 'official' to possibly verbally commit for the Class of '18? That makes no sense to me. He was a '16 verbal to ASU, correct?
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Somebody help me with this? Why would a guy do an 'official' to possibly verbally commit for the Class of '18? That makes no sense to me. He was a '16 verbal to ASU, correct?
My guess is (and that's all it is) he would technically enroll at MU in 2016 but not actually start playing/taking classes for 2 years.
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My guess is (and that's all it is) he would technically enroll at MU in 2016 but not actually start playing/taking classes for 2 years.
And NOT count against the scholarship limit? I can't imagine Wojo using his last '16-'17 slot on a guy who won't be here for 2 years. He'd need to be Michael Jordan. Somebody here must know how the Mormon mission situation is handled by BYU.
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I don't think he would enroll if he goes on the mission. I wonder how set he is on going on his mission after this year too. That can always change. Regardless if he commits, there will obviously be no NLI signed nor offered.
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Somebody help me with this? Why would a guy do an 'official' to possibly verbally commit for the Class of '18? That makes no sense to me. He was a '16 verbal to ASU, correct?
Mormon players who are on mission do not count towards scholarship limit. But they often commit right out of high school because they won't have a chance to showcase themselves for the next two years.
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Mormon players who are on mission do not count towards scholarship limit. But they often commit right out of high school because they won't have a chance to showcase themselves for the next two years.
Ding, ding chicken dinner. Thanks TAMU.
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Mormon players who are on mission do not count towards scholarship limit. But they often commit right out of high school because they won't have a chance to showcase themselves for the next two years.
This. Matty V also said that there was no scholly toll until 2018 as well. In case you wanted non-scoop confirmation.
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Here's Matty V's blogpost. By the way, he's the best GD reporter we've ever had.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/320899131.html
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Here's Matty V's blogpost. By the way, he's the best GD reporter we've ever had.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/320899131.html
Yes. Yes he most certainly is.
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Better than Rosiak?
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Mormon players who are on mission do not count towards scholarship limit. But they often commit right out of high school because they won't have a chance to showcase themselves for the next two years.
Nor do you get to take time off from your mission to take official visits.
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Better than Rosiak?
Did Rosiak blog like this in the off-season? Not that I recall.
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Better than Rosiak?
Yes. No insult to Todd, but Matt odds knocking it out of the park.
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Did Rosiak blog like this in the off-season? Not that I recall.
Obviously, the Italy trip helps media availability. Rosiak did have several detailed open gym reports.
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1) Al
2) Nobody else being able to recruit DWade
3) #DoneDeal
4) Matty V
The list of best things to ever happen to MU hoops in order, a'ina?
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Obviously, the Italy trip helps media availability. Rosiak did have several detailed open gym reports.
This is true -- he has something to report. However, it is clear he reads the MU chat boards and attempts to answer questions that are swirling around. Rosiak was also good in his time hosting the online chat sessions, but I think Matt has taken this to a new level.
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This is true -- he has something to report. However, it is clear he reads the MU chat boards and attempts to answer questions that are swirling around. Rosiak was also good in his time hosting the online chat sessions, but I think Matt has taken this to a new level.
I loved Rosiak. Matty V is going above and beyond and does a great job utilizing what the current media world has become--blogs, chats and twitter. He keeps us happy on the "what have you done for me lately" quick digestion of news front while still giving us great substantive things to digest in terms of the big picture. It's quite awesome to have a reporter that is that engaging.
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Back on topic, Bailey is here for his official visit today. From Duane Wilson's Twitter, the team is hanging out during the day, BBQ at Wojo's in the afternoon, and team trip to State Fair tonight. Here's hoping Bailey has a good trip.
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Back on topic, Bailey is here for his official visit today. From Duane Wilson's Twitter, the team is hanging out during the day, BBQ at Wojo's in the afternoon, and team trip to State Fair tonight. Here's hoping Bailey has a good trip.
State Fair should give him an interesting taste of a certain cross section of Milwaukee.
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In case you wanted non-scoop confirmation.
What the hell's wrong with you, Jake. If it is written here it is good as gold.
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Get Bailey a burger on a donut, elephant ears, roasted ear of corn, favored milk, and a turkey leg and its a done deal, ai na?
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Get Bailey a burger on a donut, elephant ears, roasted ear of corn, favored milk, and a turkey leg and its a done deal, ai na?
It's a start to closing the deal. It could be sealed with some Sheboygan brats, Usinger sausage and topped off with Kewaskum Market garlic summer sausage. Ai'na?
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.......creampuff.....
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Get the dude some Sonoran Salsa.
Done deal.
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Nor do you get to take time off from your mission to take official visits.
But you do get to call your mother once a year!
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Get Bailey a burger on a donut, elephant ears, roasted ear of corn, favored milk, and a turkey leg and its a done deal, ai na?
I still think the SEC offers a more... satisfying... official visit experience
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Did Rosiak blog like this in the off-season? Not that I recall.
He had to have. I remember emailing back and forth with him from Iraq and Afghanistan during the off-season. He kept me in the loop on recruiting and other summer doldrums news. Todd rates high in my book.
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If Bailey were to commit after going to the State Fair with the team, then we'd have to rank the State Fair right behind the ice cream truck that Wojo used with Ellenson on the list of "helpful recruiting items."
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If Bailey were to commit after going to the State Fair with the team, then we'd have to rank the State Fair right behind the ice cream truck that Wojo used with Ellenson on the list of "helpful recruiting items."
This explains Marquette's cream puff schedule then, ai na?
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I still think the SEC offers a more... satisfying... official visit experience
Gotta believe you're right on this, Crash.
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Gotta believe you're right on this, Crash.
99.9% of the time 'yes', but for 1/2 of the stud Mormon players (some of my best friends are ForMons and they would've LOVED the SEC recruitment setups) the State Fair may be a better pitch.
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According to Thurl Bailey, Brendan had a great visit (per Adam Zagoria).
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/630776161929404418
Zagoria confirms that Bailey will take his Mormon mission before going to college, so he isn't a Coffey backup plan.
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Bailey down to 5. MU made the cut. Will make fall decision and then go on 2 year mission.
http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1574501-brendan-bailey-down-to-five
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Bailey down to 5. MU made the cut. Will make fall decision and then go on 2 year mission.
http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1574501-brendan-bailey-down-to-five
I have a really good feeling about this kid. I think he ends up in Blue and Gold. My gut tells me the biggest competition is hometown Utah. It sounds like he has a good relationship with San Diego State, but what are the chances that 70 year old Steve Fisher will still be coaching when Bailey graduates in 2022? What are the chances he's still coaching when arrives in 2018?
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I think it all comes down to how close to home he wants to be. Hope it works out.
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a lot can happen in two years to change his decision. Will all that bicycle riding changes his muscle definition for the worse?
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http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/15/four-star-forward-brendan-bailey-down-to-gonzaga-marquette-michigan-san-diego-state-and-utah/
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With the two year mission, this guy is going to 21 before he even wears a college uni.
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With the two year mission, this guy is going to 21 before he even wears a college uni.
Are a lot of the BYU and Utah and Utah State players like that?
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Are a lot of the BYU and Utah and Utah State players like that?
Yes. There are a lot of Mormon kids from the Puget Sound area who play ball but go on missions. My son had several teammates who signed to play college ball and I recall some of them still in college after he was graduated because of their mission hiatus.
What is interesting is that a lot of older Mormons are now doing missions as well. Whereas the initial missions are largely for men the LDS Church is now sending couples off to spread the word.
It's their form of service, which isn't a bad thing, but the missionaries are given "soul" targets as if they are salesmen which I find somewhat cynical.
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I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Jabari Parker almost went on a Mormon Mission until he realized how much money he would be giving up.
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I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Jabari Parker almost went on a Mormon Mission until he realized how much money he would be giving up.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/sports/basketball/jabari-parker-heeds-nba-draft-call-bypassing-formal-mormon-mission.html?_r=0
Parker believes that he is getting out the word of the Church by playing. Less than 40% of Mormons go on missions.
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We had those kids knock on our door while living overseas. What always got me was when you tell them you are C of E or RC they always came back with, "that's nice, but..."
Missionaries are given a sales quota and they have contests for various target demographics. I always found odd attaching empiricism to something that is faith-based.
Interesting article from the NYT on Mormon women and their increasing role in missions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/us/a-growing-role-for-mormon-women.html
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/sports/basketball/jabari-parker-heeds-nba-draft-call-bypassing-formal-mormon-mission.html?_r=0
Parker believes that he is getting out the word of the Church by playing. Less than 40% of Mormons go on missions.
This is what I was referencing:
http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/8479249/new-mormon-rule-affect-top-recruit-jabari-parker
He thought about going
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@PremierBall: 2016 Brendan Bailey official to Gonzaga Oct 9. September home visits w/ Marquette, Utah & Michigan @brendanbailey35 http://t.co/PKTqEv4zxE