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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Dr. Blackheart on May 31, 2015, 03:15:36 PM
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As is required by law, Marquette just posted the IRS Form 990 on line for the fiscal year ending 6/30/14. Here are the total compensation (salary, bonus, Team Buzz, benefits) figures from some key Hiroshima players, now dearly departed (although there are other casualties listed in here as well).
Buzz Williams: $3,287,170
Terri Mitchell: $487,417
Larry Williams: $467,580
Issac Chew: $366,314
Scott Pilarz: $157,890 (not bad for a vow of poverty)
Bob Wild: $0
Bill Cords: Not listed, guessing $0 as he was also retired and is drawing a pension.
Buzz left for a salary of $2.3 million, when he was making a salary of $3,111,606 in taxable income at Marquette his last year, or $800+k less. The VTech basketball budget he inherited was reported to be half what he left at MU.
None of these particular players were listed to have received a severance package, but that may appear in next year's form depending on the exit agreements.
What a waste of the King's treasure. Let's get a manager to flush this mess.
http://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/FY14TY13MU990PUBLIC.pdf
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As is required by law, Marquette just posted the IRS Form 990 on line for the fiscal year ending 6/30/14. Here are the total compensation (salary, bonus, Team Buzz, benefits) figures from some key Hiroshima players, now dearly departed (although there are other casualties listed in here as well).
Buzz Williams: $3,287,170
Terri Mitchell: $487,417
Larry Williams: $467,580
Issac Chew: $366,314
Scott Pilarz: $157,890 (not bad for a vow of poverty)
Bob Wild: $0
Bill Cords: Not listed, guessing $0 as he was also retired and is drawing a pension.
Buzz left for a salary of $2.3 million, when he was making a salary of $3,111,606 in taxable income at Marquette his last year, or $800+k less. The VTech basketball budget he inherited was reported to be half what he left at MU.
None of these particular players were listed to have received a severance package, but that may appear in next year's form depending on the exit agreements.
What a waste of the King's treasure. Let's get a manager to flush this mess.
http://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/FY14TY13MU990PUBLIC.pdf
$193K per win.
Righteous bucks.
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It still amazes me (it shouldn't, but it does) that more media hasn't raised questions about his departure.
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Guess Bumstead just didn't feel wanted here any more, ai na?
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It still amazes me (it shouldn't, but it does) that more media hasn't raised questions about his departure.
If we had done well his last year or if we did well wojos first year then I'd bet more people would be writing about it. But for now it kinda seems like he was jumping off a sinking ship.
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What a joke and extremely laughable. About as funny as No Dick still paying Charlie Weiss about 2 million this year. Those crazy catholic institutions forgot about frugality. But it goes full circle to Buzz: "I'll be at MU as long as they want me." Or to paraphrase Jack warden to Paul Newman in the Verdict: "You won. When they offer you the money, you have won." BTW, although it was fiction, that was a Catholic archdiocese offering the money. Oh those crazy Catholics with their money. Father Flanagan is turning in his grave. And so is Saint Peter turning over.
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My guess is Buzz has a similar Team Buzz fund at Va Tech. Contrary to all reports, I don't think he took near the pay cut he convinced the media he took.
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If we had done well his last year or if we did well wojos first year then I'd bet more people would be writing about it. But for now it kinda seems like he was jumping off a sinking ship.
I understand what the national perception is, I'm just surprised there isn't a national hoops writer that was willing to poke around. MU has been incredibly tight lipped about the whole thing, which leads me to believe there might be skeletons there too.
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My guess is Buzz has a similar Team Buzz fund at Va Tech. Contrary to all reports, I don't think he took near the pay cut he convinced the media he took.
Brew, I always believed that Sultan was the King Buzz slurper, but you are definitely moving up during the stretch drive.
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I'd be curious if women's basketball even grosses $500,000 annually which is about what they paid the coach.
Title 9 destroyed the Big East as all these schools inspite of making big money off men's football and basketball are still going broke subsidizing sports like volleyball with scholarships and coaches salary for sports that gross less than a sundry in a hotel. Because of this schools like Maryland had to change conferences for more money to pay for their deficits.
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I understand what the national perception is, I'm just surprised there isn't a national hoops writer that was willing to poke around. MU has been incredibly tight lipped about the whole thing, which leads me to believe there might be skeletons there too.
It was spin. The initial report was that he took a pay cut, but I always found it hard to believe a guy who was so focused on numbers would take less money for a lesser job. My guess is his base salary is less than what he made at Marquette, which allowed his media cronies like Parrish and Goodman to sell the pay cut story. However, I'm sure any national guy that poked around would find incentives and Team Buzz bonuses would show Buzz making more at Va Tech. Something tells me "coach leaves for more pay in ESPN's favorite conference" wouldn't make much of a headline.
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I'd be curious if women's basketball even grosses $500,000 annually which is about what they paid the coach.
Title 9 destroyed the Big East as all these schools inspite of making big money off men's football and basketball are still going broke subsidizing sports like volleyball with scholarships and coaches salary for sports that gross less than a sundry in a hotel. Because of this schools like Maryland had to change conferences for more money to pay for their deficits.
Title IX has been around longer than the Big East.
Hard to say Title IX regulations destroyed the conference when the conference has never been without them.
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Bumstead grabbed the first gig that wanted him and would pay a lotta bread, even if it was less than he was makin' at MU. That's what a desparate putz does when he wants outta a situation, hey?
He swung and whiffed on Auburn first, doe.
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Scott Pilarz: $157,890 (not bad for a vow of poverty)
I appreciate your attempt at snark here, but all Jesuits donate their salaries to the order in exchange for a stipend.
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What a joke and extremely laughable. About as funny as No Dick still paying Charlie Weiss about 2 million this year. Those crazy catholic institutions forgot about frugality. But it goes full circle to Buzz: "I'll be at MU as long as they want me." Or to paraphrase Jack warden to Paul Newman in the Verdict: "You won. When they offer you the money, you have won." BTW, although it was fiction, that was a Catholic archdiocese offering the money. Oh those crazy Catholics with their money. Father Flanagan is turning in his grave. And so is Saint Peter turning over.
I think he was true to his word. I think he knew the administration was no longer happy with him. He left before the lynch mob. Buzz is quirky, but he is not stupid.
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I appreciate your attempt at snark here, but all Jesuits donate their salaries to the order in exchange for a stipend.
Fr. Wild was never listed on the 990 (such as below) as taking a "stipend", nor had Pilarz in the past. Perhaps a separation stipend or an accounting change?
http://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/FY11990PUBLIC.pdf
http://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/TY11FY12MU990PUBLIC.pdf
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Buzz was also worried about the future of the reconfigured Big East. The conference is no longer on ESPN, none of the schools sponsor football (which is the biggest deal in college athletics today, and there was genuine concern the league would be able to keep up the level of success moving forward. The ACC is the top basketball league in the country, and is a power conference.
As shown in years past, Buzz is betting on himself. He is betting on himself to turn Virginia Tech into a quality basketball program, he is betting on himself being successful in the tournament and he is betting on himself to be embraced and loved at the school - for however long the school will have him.
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The pay cut wasn't Bert's false story story. That's the truth. The fear of the Big East sinking Marquette's program was the false story. Bert knew that the Big East would be just fine if you're at or near the top of it every year. What troubled Bert was that the administration stopped letting him just bring in whoever the heck he wanted to bring in no matter what the background and/or issues with the recruit were. They finally stopped bending over backwards for him, and when he asked them to do it again they finally called his bluff. Bert's ego had gotten too big for his own good and he couldn't stick around. He needed things done his way and if not then he was gone. So, he gowne.
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It was spin. The initial report was that he took a pay cut, but I always found it hard to believe a guy who was so focused on numbers would take less money for a lesser job. My guess is his base salary is less than what he made at Marquette, which allowed his media cronies like Parrish and Goodman to sell the pay cut story. However, I'm sure any national guy that poked around would find incentives and Team Buzz bonuses would show Buzz making more at Va Tech. Something tells me "coach leaves for more pay in ESPN's favorite conference" wouldn't make much of a headline.
Paint Touches laid out the bonus incentives (not a ton of cash). We will have to wait a year for the Virginia Tech Foundation 990 to see if there is a Team Buzz Williams income stream unless JayBee or PT can hunt down his final contract details.
http://painttouches.com/2014/05/14/buzz-williams-virginia-tech-contract-details/
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Paint Touches laid out the bonus incentives (not a ton of cash). We will have to wait a year for the Virginia Tech Foundation 990 to see if there is a Team Buzz Williams income stream unless JayBee or PT can hunt down his final contract details.
http://painttouches.com/2014/05/14/buzz-williams-virginia-tech-contract-details/
I'm sure Chicos just had a beer with VT's AD, he should just be able to ask him what Bert's total income is.
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Fr. Wild was never listed on the 990 (such as below) as taking a "stipend", nor had Pilarz in the past. Perhaps a separation stipend or an accounting change?
http://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/FY11990PUBLIC.pdf
http://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/TY11FY12MU990PUBLIC.pdf
No idea but compensation can be more than salary. Personal travel, considerations of other kinds, or perhaps severance in this case?
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No idea but compensation can be more than salary. Personal travel, considerations of other kinds, or perhaps severance in this case?
You don't get a severance package when you quit a job, even if your current job is happy about it. He might've received a few free empty cardboard boxes but that's about it.
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You don't get a severance package when you quit a job, even if your current job is happy about it. He might've received a few free empty cardboard boxes but that's about it.
Not when you quit, but according to the PT article, Buzz gets a nice severance if he's terminated. Would be paid the full value of the contract through 2021 even if he takes another job. Essentially, Va Tech can't fire him.
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I think he was true to his word. I think he knew the administration was no longer happy with him. He left before the lynch mob. Buzz is quirky, but he is not stupid.
There was no current administration when he left. They were already dumped.
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Not when you quit, but according to the PT article, Buzz gets a nice severance if he's terminated. Would be paid the full value of the contract through 2021 even if he takes another job. Essentially, Va Tech can't fire him.
I was referring to Pilarz, who was fired.
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No idea but compensation can be more than salary. Personal travel, considerations of other kinds, or perhaps severance in this case?
In the most current report (in my first post) on page 15, Fr. Wild and Fr. Pilarz are both listed, understanding Fr. Wild was the interim president for nine months. Fr. Wild's reportable compensation was $0 (as it was in the other years when he led), and Pilarz's was $157,890. Two Presidents, two Jesuits. One lived in an apartment, one in the Jesuit residence. One stayed, one left.
Maybe his compensation travelled with him to his new job out of the Wisconsin Province, not sure. As was most on his tenure, it is odd.
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I was referring to Pilarz, who was fired.
Pilarz wasn't "fired." He was ready for his next apostolic challenge which, as it turns out, is running a high school.
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I understand what the national perception is, I'm just surprised there isn't a national hoops writer that was willing to poke around. MU has been incredibly tight lipped about the whole thing, which leads me to believe there might be skeletons there too.
"mu has been incredibly tight lipped about..."
well, if i were mu, not much to brag about here. they are hoping, i'm sure, this all just goes away like a bad dream-now about those tuition rates, basketball season tix and seat licesnses$$$$
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I was referring to Pilarz, who was fired.
Ahh gotcha. Makes sense.
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Pilarz wasn't "fired." He was ready for his next apostolic challenge which, as it turns out, is running a high school.
That's the corporate world equivalent when upper management "Left to pursue other opportunities.", correct?
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Boeing has changed the world and sports as well.
When travel went from buss to plane everything changed.
I was at the Denver airport and a high school hockey team was "flying" to Idaho for a high school game. We have little league kids flying all over to play baseball.
You can say I'm behind the power curve in my thinking, but something seems terribly wrong when West Virginia has to fly to Texas to play football.
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Pilarz wasn't "fired." He was ready for his next apostolic challenge which, as it turns out, is running a high school.
And a fine one it is, too.
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Boeing has changed the world and sports as well.
When travel went from buss to plane everything changed.
I was at the Denver airport and a high school hockey team was "flying" to Idaho for a high school game. We have little league kids flying all over to play baseball.
You can say I'm behind the power curve in my thinking, but something seems terribly wrong when West Virginia has to fly to Texas to play football.
Don't know about the power curve, but I know that you're no where near the TV money curve.
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Fr. Wild was never listed on the 990 (such as below) as taking a "stipend", nor had Pilarz in the past. Perhaps a separation stipend or an accounting change?
http://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/FY11990PUBLIC.pdf
http://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/TY11FY12MU990PUBLIC.pdf
The stipend is paid by the Jesuit Order, not the University, so it would not be on Marquette's 990.
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The stipend is paid by the Jesuit Order, not the University, so it would not be on Marquette's 990.
Any ideas why Pilarz was paid by MU then? A separation settlement?
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Don't know about the power curve, but I know that you're no where near the TV money curve.
We agree, our economy is based on entertainment, sports, and travel. Add a little war and communications and we have our modern world.
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Any ideas why Pilarz was paid by MU then? A separation settlement?
No clue.
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I understand what the national perception is, I'm just surprised there isn't a national hoops writer that was willing to poke around. MU has been incredibly tight lipped about the whole thing, which leads me to believe there might be skeletons there too.
What value would there be to Marquette saying anything even if there weren't skeletons? Throwing your former coach under the bus does nothing to help your program.
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What a joke and extremely laughable. About as funny as No Dick still paying Charlie Weiss about 2 million this year. Those crazy catholic institutions forgot about frugality. But it goes full circle to Buzz: "I'll be at MU as long as they want me." Or to paraphrase Jack warden to Paul Newman in the Verdict: "You won. When they offer you the money, you have won." BTW, although it was fiction, that was a Catholic archdiocese offering the money. Oh those crazy Catholics with their money. Father Flanagan is turning in his grave. And so is Saint Peter turning over.
Well then if this bothers you, you might as well stop rooting for Marquette. Because if Wojo is successful, they will have to open up the checkbook again.
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Any ideas why Pilarz was paid by MU then? A separation settlement?
Bar tab.
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What value would there be to Marquette saying anything even if there weren't skeletons? Throwing your former coach under the bus does nothing to help your program.
But it could have gotten MU Fred Hoiberg ;)
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What value would there be to Marquette saying anything even if there weren't skeletons? Throwing your former coach under the bus does nothing to help your program.
I'm not necessarily saying MU release an official statement or anything like that, for the reasons you said above. By tight lipped I meant I haven't really heard any rumors/leaks and from my experience when stuff like this happens we usually end up hearing more about it over time, in this case there hasn't been much.
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I'm not necessarily saying MU release an official statement or anything like that, for the reasons you said above. By tight lipped I meant I haven't really heard any rumors/leaks and from my experience when stuff like this happens we usually end up hearing more about it over time, in this case there hasn't been much.
Part of that could simply be that Cords and Wild are gone. The other part is that everyone kind of knows what happened. The SP/LW administration clumsily put fences around the basketball program. When those people were run out of town, Buzz thought those fences would be removed. When that didn't happen (or happen enough) to his liking, he (likely correctly) interpreted that as he was no longer really wanted. So he bolted.
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Part of that could simply be that Cords and Wild are gone. The other part is that everyone kind of knows what happened. The SP/LW administration clumsily put fences around the basketball program. When those people were run out of town, Buzz thought those fences would be removed. When that didn't happen (or happen enough) to his liking, he (likely correctly) interpreted that as he was no longer really wanted. So he bolted.
14 months of angst, hand wringing, speculation and rumor (through hundreds of posts) rendered moot by one cogent paragraph. Well done.
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Part of that could simply be that Cords and Wild are gone. The other part is that everyone kind of knows what happened. The SP/LW administration clumsily put fences around the basketball program. When those people were run out of town, Buzz thought those fences would be removed. When that didn't happen (or happen enough) to his liking, he (likely correctly) interpreted that as he was no longer really wanted. So he bolted.
Well said. Ironic that so many of Buzz's biggest critics, rather than being happy he's gone, are still hand-wringing over the whole situation a year later.
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14 months of angst, hand wringing, speculation and rumor (through hundreds of posts) rendered moot by one cogent paragraph. Well done.
Thank you. The real unknown is...what if Buzz would have stuck around?
My personal feeling is that even if he bought into what Wojo bought into, that he was never going to be happy here any longer. His colleagues just didn't really like him all that much. Look, I know successful coaches can be a pain in the a$$ - I mean do you think Nick Saban is really "likeable?" But I don't think him building a little empire over in the Al was a real good strategic move on his part.
His departure was inevitable, and it was best that it happened when it did.
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Well said. Ironic that so many of Buzz's biggest critics, rather than being happy he's gone, are still hand-wringing over the whole situation a year later.
Yeah I have no clue why willie keeps referring to me as a "slurper." I have repeatedly said that I am happy the way things have turned out. I also think that Wojo's playing time decisions validated Buzz's decisions. Those decisions unfortunately were driven by multiple recruiting mistakes by Buzz.
As I said, the only real unknown to me is if Wojo can coach. We'll find that out soon enough.
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Here's the year by year breakdown.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGbPQPRU8AI2hl4.jpg)
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Yeah I have no clue why willie keeps referring to me as a "slurper." I have repeatedly said that I am happy the way things have turned out. I also think that Wojo's playing time decisions validated Buzz's decisions. Those decisions unfortunately were driven by multiple recruiting mistakes by Buzz.
As I said, the only real unknown to me is if Wojo can coach. We'll find that out soon enough.
Yup. If this past year showed anything, it's that Buzz missed a ton on high school recruits.
Of his 17 high school recruits as a head coach, 10 left Marquette without finishing their careers (Jeronne Maymon, Erik Williams, Yous Mbao, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Todd Mayo, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson, Deonte Burton, John Dawson) and to date only one of those that left was truly productive at a high major level (Maymon).
Of the 7 that stayed (Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue, Davante Gardner, Juan Anderson, Derrick Wilson, Jajuan Johnson, Duane Wilson), it looks like thus far one exceeded expectations (Gardner), three met expectations (Cadougan, Blue, Duane), and three fell short (Juan, Derrick, Jajuan).
So in total, Buzz had 4/17 high school recruits that either met or exceeded expectations. Suffice to say, that's not good. But instead of being happy that he's gone, they lament his tenure and throw the slurper term around. If I'm a "slurper" for pointing out his 23.5% success rate with high school recruits, oh well.
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And a fine one it is, too.
Hoya Saxa!
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Yup. If this past year showed anything, it's that Buzz missed a ton on high school recruits.
Of his 17 high school recruits as a head coach, 10 left Marquette without finishing their careers (Jeronne Maymon, Erik Williams, Yous Mbao, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Todd Mayo, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson, Deonte Burton, John Dawson) and to date only one of those that left was truly productive at a high major level (Maymon).
Of the 7 that stayed (Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue, Davante Gardner, Juan Anderson, Derrick Wilson, Jajuan Johnson, Duane Wilson), it looks like thus far one exceeded expectations (Gardner), three met expectations (Cadougan, Blue, Duane), and three fell short (Juan, Derrick, Jajuan).
So in total, Buzz had 4/17 high school recruits that either met or exceeded expectations. Suffice to say, that's not good. But instead of being happy that he's gone, they lament his tenure and throw the slurper term around. If I'm a "slurper" for pointing out his 23.5% success rate with high school recruits, oh well.
How would you measure his batting average with JUCOs and NCAA tournament success?
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So when will we know Wojo's compensation?
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Yup. If this past year showed anything, it's that Buzz missed a ton on high school recruits.
Of his 17 high school recruits as a head coach, 10 left Marquette without finishing their careers (Jeronne Maymon, Erik Williams, Yous Mbao, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Todd Mayo, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson, Deonte Burton, John Dawson) and to date only one of those that left was truly productive at a high major level (Maymon).
Of the 7 that stayed (Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue, Davante Gardner, Juan Anderson, Derrick Wilson, Jajuan Johnson, Duane Wilson), it looks like thus far one exceeded expectations (Gardner), three met expectations (Cadougan, Blue, Duane), and three fell short (Juan, Derrick, Jajuan).
So in total, Buzz had 4/17 high school recruits that either met or exceeded expectations. Suffice to say, that's not good. But instead of being happy that he's gone, they lament his tenure and throw the slurper term around. If I'm a "slurper" for pointing out his 23.5% success rate with high school recruits, oh well.
Mayo wasn't a top 100 player - I'd say his on court play at least met expectations. Burton was 1st team All Big East as a freshman, so ditto for him. Derrick came in with very little fanfare. Like him or hate him he at least met expectations. There really were no expectations for Mbao or Dawson so I wouldn't even count them. So 7/15 (46.7)% by my count. Not great, but only Blue, Junior, Maymon, JJJ, Duane and Burton were top 60 guys and after that it's a crapshoot.
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How would you measure his batting average with JUCOs and NCAA tournament success?
Very good. I believe he signed eight Jucos, seven of whom made it to campus (not Clark), five of whom made it to the basketball court (not McKay or TJT). Fulce, DJO, Butler, Buycks and Jae.
Four of the five eventually graduated - I think. Fulce didn't meet expectations due to injury. Buycks met expectations. Jae, DJO and Butler well exceeded expectations.
The problem is that you still had three recruiting misses. Clark ended up being not much of a miss, but both TJT and McKay took scholarships that could have gone to other players. That was the root cause of our problems over the past two years.
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Any ideas why Pilarz was paid by MU then? A separation settlement?
It could be royalties for his collected works of poetry
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How would you measure his batting average with JUCOs and NCAA tournament success?
Much, much, much better. Buycks, DJO, and Crowder all played their full eligibility and went to the NBA. If you include Fulce and Butler (recruited by Buzz under Crean) that adds two more that played full eligiblity and one more in the NBA. McKay didn't end up playing here, but so far has shown he can play at a HM level and will at least have a shot at the NBA. When all is said and done, a JUCO track frecord of 4/6 in the NBA, 1 transfer, and 1 disappointment (which was down to injuries more than anything) is at worst stunningly spectacular.
The problem was that Buzz was restricted from being able to recruit JUCOs after 2012. The only reason we landed McKay is because Marquette's staff was working with him for the bulk of his two years at Indian Hills to make sure he would be eligible after all the issues with Crowder. Buzz's tourney success was also largely on their shoulders. He did have the Elite 8 run without any JUCOs, but that team also featured three of his four best HS recruits (Blue, Cadougan, Gardner) and his two best transfers (Jamil Wilson, Trent Lockett).
When Buzz lost the ability to bring in JUCOs, you could see his success start to wane. They carried him to success in 2011 and 2012. The 2014 team had no JUCOs and only two of his success stories (Gardner, Jamil) while mostly being anchored by the guys who ultimately didn't work out. Without the ability to recruit JUCOs and with Buzz's spotty record recruiting high school kids, he would have had to massively improve his HS recruiting success in an arena he had previously struggled in to maintain results here. The past two years weren't a ringing endorsement he would do that.
At Va Tech, he will be able to take any players he wants. The writing was on the wall here (as Sultan accurately points out) that his welcome, while maybe not completely worn out, was certainly wearing thin, and he had the option to leave somewhere that wasn't giving him the freedom to do what he wanted for a place that would let him do whatever he wanted while giving him a better long-term contractual guarantee. I still have a feeling there's an extra $500K-1M going to a Team Buzz fund from Va Tech that would further balance out the monetary differences, but it makes sense.
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Much, much, much better. Buycks, DJO, and Crowder all played their full eligibility and went to the NBA. If you include Fulce and Butler (recruited by Buzz under Crean) that adds two more that played full eligiblity and one more in the NBA. McKay didn't end up playing here, but so far has shown he can play at a HM level and will at least have a shot at the NBA. When all is said and done, a JUCO track frecord of 4/6 in the NBA, 1 transfer, and 1 disappointment (which was down to injuries more than anything) is at worst stunningly spectacular.
Buzz recruited Butler on his own after Crean left.
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So when will we know Wojo's compensation?
Next May
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Buzz recruited Butler on his own after Crean left.
That's right...Fulce had already committed as I recall. I always consider 2009 to be Buzz's first real recruiting class, since he had guys like Fulce and Otule in the fold for Crean, even if he ultimately was the only one to coach them here.
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Fulce came because of Buzz. He already had a relationship with him. Before his injury he was considered to be a better player than Butler. Buzz also got a commitment form the 6'11" juco forward/center that went to jail for rape and never attended MU, so that was a miss on his part.
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Fulce came because of Buzz. He already had a relationship with him. Before his injury he was considered to be a better player than Butler. Buzz also got a commitment form the 6'11" juco forward/center that went to jail for rape and never attended MU, so that was a miss on his part.
"the 6'11" juco forward/center that went to jail for rape..."
That would be Monterale Clark mentioned by Sultan.
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Yup. If this past year showed anything, it's that Buzz missed a ton on high school recruits.
Of his 17 high school recruits as a head coach, 10 left Marquette without finishing their careers (Jeronne Maymon, Erik Williams, Yous Mbao, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Todd Mayo, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson, Deonte Burton, John Dawson) and to date only one of those that left was truly productive at a high major level (Maymon).
Of the 7 that stayed (Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue, Davante Gardner, Juan Anderson, Derrick Wilson, Jajuan Johnson, Duane Wilson), it looks like thus far one exceeded expectations (Gardner), three met expectations (Cadougan, Blue, Duane), and three fell short (Juan, Derrick, Jajuan).
So in total, Buzz had 4/17 high school recruits that either met or exceeded expectations. Suffice to say, that's not good. But instead of being happy that he's gone, they lament his tenure and throw the slurper term around. If I'm a "slurper" for pointing out his 23.5% success rate with high school recruits, oh well.
Well, this is all water under the bridge. Buzz still recruited Duane and JJJ so the record on them is still open. He also brought in Luke on a transfer, our first true big with basketball skills.
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Well, this is all water under the bridge. Buzz still recruited Duane and JJJ so the record on them is still open. He also brought in Luke on a transfer, our first true big with basketball skills.
We have to define what Buzz gets credit for and what Wojo gets credit for. If Buzz gets Duane and JJJ then he doesn't get JFB, Wesley, Zar, etc. It's an important distinction because I think one of the big issues Buzz had is what we in the business world as refer to as "blocking and tackling".
Basically he wasn't good at establishing the fundamentals for players starting their college career. Juco's essentially get that as part of their development as Juco's so Buzz didn't have to worry about it.
If Duane or JjJ are successful, there were talented no doubt and Buzz should get credit for identifying talent, but Wojo should get the credit for developing the players(especially in JjJ's case).
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We have to define what Buzz gets credit for and what Wojo gets credit for. If Buzz gets Duane and JJJ then he doesn't get JFB, Wesley, Zar, etc. It's an important distinction because I think one of the big issues Buzz had is what we in the business world as refer to as "blocking and tackling".
Basically he wasn't good at establishing the fundamentals for players starting their college career. Juco's essentially get that as part of their development as Juco's so Buzz didn't have to worry about it.
If Duane or JjJ are successful, there were talented no doubt and Buzz should get credit for identifying talent, but Wojo should get the credit for developing the players(especially in JjJ's case).
You should qualify your statement so people know that as a part of basketball development, players shouldn't literally be taught to tackle, just in case some newbie like say, Tom Crean, is reading the board.
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Hoya Saxa!
Jesuit salary cap hit?
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....have to remember the 990 reporting requirements... MU files with a fiscal year ending June 30, but the IRS requires the Form 990 Schedule J schedules to use W-2 data (e.g., calendar year). So, the recently released 990 would include bonus amounts for performance during Buzz's SECOND to last year (i.e., a good year). His earnings may have been approximately equal to, or less than, what his set up is at VT.
We do have all of Buzz's incentives at Virginia Tech in hand.. have for a long time.
A key for Buzz is outside compensation at VT.
"The massive pay cut" was never true.
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For several months after Buzz left didn't Chicos repeatedly say that stories about Buzz's improprieties would surface, and that would make it clear why he was no longer welcome at MU? Did that ever happen? He made it sound like there was some serious sh!t going on, and I for one would like to hear the real story.
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Well, we got that toilet flush story, no?
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For several months after Buzz left didn't Chicos repeatedly say that stories about Buzz's improprieties would surface, and that would make it clear why he was no longer welcome at MU? Did that ever happen? He made it sound like there was some serious sh!t going on, and I for one would like to hear the real story.
Just Chico being Chico. One of the ways he protects his boy's (TC) legacy is by ripping every other coach MU has had not named McGuire. As with most of his "look at me, I know stuff" rants there is no "there" there. Just a bragging kid looking for attention.
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For several months after Buzz left didn't Chicos repeatedly say that stories about Buzz's improprieties would surface, and that would make it clear why he was no longer welcome at MU? Did that ever happen? He made it sound like there was some serious sh!t going on, and I for one would like to hear the real story.
He wasn't a likeable guy in the department and stood up for his players a little too much. Pretty much run of the mill stuff at many programs. Nothing more untoward than that.
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He wasn't a likeable guy in the department and stood up for his players a little too much. Pretty much run of the mill stuff at many programs. Nothing more untoward than that.
That's not what Chicos said would "come out." As someone who claims to be in the know, I'd expect some kind of post addressing this.
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Jesuit salary cap hit?
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