http://www.uni-watch.com/2015/04/29/a-look-a-rare-marquette-gold-merchandise/
I'd rather be Gold than what we have now.
I can understand people getting upset with the name change from Warriors to Golden Eagles, but it's here now and not going away. Continue to call MU the Warriors if you'd like (nice secondary name if you ask me) but golden eagles as a whole are pretty badass birds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM0JMoGABgk
If anything I wish we'd go back to the old logo
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Marquette_Golden_Eagles_logo_1994-2004.svg
I'll never acknowledge that inferior, forced upon us, good for nothin', substitute for a nickname , designation, ai na?
Quote from: mreezybreezy on April 29, 2015, 07:55:16 AM
but golden eagles as a whole are pretty badass birds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM0JMoGABgk
Okay, that slow mo Eagle was bad ass
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 29, 2015, 07:23:08 AM
I'd rather be Gold than what we have now.
Same here, I actually thought it wasn't that bad. Although I don't like the way they were using "THE" in front of Gold. It should have just been Gold by itself, like Stanford Cardinal, Harvard Crimson, and Syracuse Orange.
So, we would have been The Gold...yet still had that damn bird as a mascot? Huh?
I am unfamiliar with the conversations at the time, but couldn't Marquette have kept the Warriors nickname and just eliminated any reference and/or imagery related to Native Americans?
A Warrior can mean a lot of different things. Heck, we could just use an image of D. Wade, Jae or Jimmy Buckets and the message would still get across.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 29, 2015, 09:54:59 AM
I am unfamiliar with the conversations at the time, but couldn't Marquette have kept the Warriors nickname and just eliminated any reference and/or imagery related to Native Americans?
A Warrior can mean a lot of different things. Heck, we could just use an image of D. Wade, Jae or Jimmy Buckets and the message would still get across.
OK, here we go... the annual Eagle bashing by us Warriors.
Before this gets into 15 takes, here's the reality
1)
In a PC World, calling yourself a Warrior doesn't hack it. As stupid as it sounds, the NCAA is the most PC organization on the planet and wiping out Warriors and Native American imagry is less painful than admitting you are enslaving 18-22 year old men and women for commercial benefit.
2)
A furry bird as a mascot is stupid.
3)
We ain't going back.
4)
People who remember us as Warriors are dying or losing interest. The alumni base has passed or is probably very close to the tipping point where there are more folks that know us as Golden Eagles than as Warriors.
5)
Ain't no changing Items 1 to 4, above!Given these factors, let's bury this one once and for all!
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 29, 2015, 09:54:59 AM
I am unfamiliar with the conversations at the time, but couldn't Marquette have kept the Warriors nickname and just eliminated any reference and/or imagery related to Native Americans?
A Warrior can mean a lot of different things. Heck, we could just use an image of D. Wade, Jae or Jimmy Buckets and the message would still get across.
If we would have done that initially in 1994, we would have been fine. But we didn't, and it's too late now. Gold was a viable way out, but was handled so poorly that it didn't have a chance. The only other option was to go back to Hilltoppers, but we didn't do that in 2005, so now we're stuck with the chicken hawk forever.
Quote from: Litehouse on April 29, 2015, 10:50:44 AM
If we would have done that initially in 1994, we would have been fine. But we didn't, and it's too late now. Gold was a viable way out, but was handled so poorly that it didn't have a chance. The only other option was to go back to Hilltoppers, but we didn't do that in 2005, so now we're stuck with the chicken hawk forever.
Till PETA comes screaming at us
They should license that slo-mo video for the game intros.
And when we get the new stadium, add that to the floor graphic light show - whatever that's technically called.
Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ED0bqnjXfE
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 29, 2015, 10:11:36 AM
OK, here we go... the annual Eagle bashing by us Warriors.
Before this gets into 15 takes, here's the reality
1) In a PC World, calling yourself a Warrior doesn't hack it. As stupid as it sounds, the NCAA is the most PC organization on the planet and wiping out Warriors and Native American imagry is less painful than admitting you are enslaving 18-22 year old men and women for commercial benefit.
2) A furry bird as a mascot is stupid.
3) We ain't going back.
4) People who remember us as Warriors are dying or losing interest. The alumni base has passed or is probably very close to the tipping point where there are more folks that know us as Golden Eagles than as Warriors.
5) Ain't no changing Items 1 to 4, above!
Given these factors, let's bury this one once and for all!
My vote will always be Warriors with St. Joan of Arc in armor as a mascot. Possibly a new logo or just use the current MU (although I think that could be made a little cleaner). A new, strong identity that pays homage to the fact we're a Catholic School, the Joan of Arc chapel on campus, and our Warrior athletic past. It would also give us the distinction of being the only major NCAA team (I believe) with a woman as primary mascot. I like how unique it is.
That being said, we're stuck with Golden Eagles and that isn't that bad.
Quote from: Warrior Code on April 29, 2015, 11:01:35 AM
My vote will always be Warriors with St. Joan of Arc in armor as a mascot. Possibly a new logo or just use the current MU (although I think that could be made a little cleaner). A new, strong identity that pays homage to the fact we're a Catholic School, the Joan of Arc chapel on campus, and our Warrior athletic past. It would also give us the distinction of being the only major NCAA team (I believe) with a woman as primary mascot. I like how unique it is.
That being said, we're stuck with Golden Eagles and that isn't that bad.
I definitely agree with all that...
..except the "isn't that bad" part.
The JoA symbol with the Warriors name would be very cool.
Welcome to the discussion:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2263.0
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 29, 2015, 01:05:07 PM
Welcome to the discussion:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2263.0
My bad, I should have searched to make sure there wasn't an inactive thread that dates FROM 2007 before bringing up an idea.
Quote from: Warrior Code on April 29, 2015, 01:22:32 PM
My bad, I should have searched to make sure there wasn't an inactive thread that dates FROM 2007 before bringing up an idea.
It was not my intent to be snarky. but simply to point out we've been down this path a few times.
I don't have time to find it, but someone on this board went to the trouble of presenting a rather elaborate marketing presentation to Father Wild, using Joan of Arc imagery in support of returning to the Warrior nickname. It made perfect sense, including the fact that Marquette was the first Jesuit college to accept women.
Quote from: Warrior Code on April 29, 2015, 11:01:35 AM
My vote will always be Warriors with St. Joan of Arc in armor as a mascot. Possibly a new logo or just use the current MU (although I think that could be made a little cleaner). A new, strong identity that pays homage to the fact we're a Catholic School, the Joan of Arc chapel on campus, and our Warrior athletic past. It would also give us the distinction of being the only major NCAA team (I believe) with a woman as primary mascot. I like how unique it is.
That being said, we're stuck with Golden Eagles and that isn't that bad.
Agree with everything here. That would have been cool. I don't hate "Golden Eagles," it's just so unoriginal. I'm just glad we dumped the chicken hawk for the block MU. The block MU shows that even the powers that be know the chicken hawk sucked.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 29, 2015, 01:33:04 PM
It was not my intent to be snarky. but simply to point out we've been down this path a few times.
I don't have time to find it, but someone on this board went to the trouble of presenting a rather elaborate marketing presentation to Father Wild, using Joan of Arc imagery in support of returning to the Warrior nickname. It made perfect sense, including the fact that Marquette was the first Jesuit college to accept women.
Ok, then I hereby retract my snarky response. If someone has this presentation, I'd love to see it.
Start here...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2155.msg16026#msg16026
Edit: Well, here's the email I got from the guy who did the presentation, I don't have the actual presentation, just this text and some pics (name excluded since I don't know that he'd want me revealing it here).
QuoteMon, Mar 5, 2007 at 11:32 AM
Hey there,
My brother showed me the current dialog chain on muscoop regarding Joan of Arc as the Warrior icon. This amazed me, because I PRESENTED the MU administration with this exact concept in late summer of 2004, and was politely told "no thanks."
This wasn't some hack presentation, either, Brands are my business (I recently did the Milwaukee Admirals logo and uniform redesign) and it was a professional, bound 20 page study which included multiple concept drawings and several actual logos. I even hired a comic book artist to do some renderings of Joan as a warrior/saint, and I designed a statue to go next to her chapel (see below)
For example, this is an historically accurate version of Joan of Arc's battle shield. This is the actual shield she carried into battle. The elements represent the Crown of Heaven, her sword and two fleur-de-lis, representing the Angels of Justice and Mercy.
Think this feels like a Marquette logo?
Think this represents the soul of the institution better than an eagle?
Think this could put the warrior issue to rest?
Yeah, me too.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 29, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
Start here...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2155.msg16026#msg16026
And maybe I can find more...
This is what I was recalling:
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Quote from: muwarrior87 on September 27, 2012, 03:27:19 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Joan of Arc Chapel is on Marquette's campus. Would be a near perfect way of being the Warriors and having a historically referenced mascot.
I am with you on this. I know for a fact that this idea (along with the logo in your avatar, among other images) was pitched to the MU Board in a very creative way by a respected advertising professional (and MU Grad) at the time the last vote came up and it was pretty much just dismissed--their minds were closed to the possibility of using "Warriors" in any way.
Holy smokes, let's pitch this to them once a month until they realize it's a pretty good idea.
I'm digging that shield.
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 29, 2015, 10:11:36 AM
4) People who remember us as Warriors are dying or losing interest. The alumni base has passed or is probably very close to the tipping point where there are more folks that know us as Golden Eagles than as Warriors.
I disagree with this statement. The warrior brand is still alive and very well recognized within the student body.
Quote from: Warrior Code on April 29, 2015, 09:06:54 PM
Holy smokes, let's pitch this to them once a month until they realize it's a pretty good idea.
I'm down for this.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 29, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
I'll never acknowledge that inferior, forced upon us, good for nothin', substitute for a nickname , designation, ai na?
Probably wouldn't have had this happen if we hadn't embraced your profile pic there, ai'na?
Quote from: kryza on April 29, 2015, 09:39:20 PM
I disagree with this statement. The warrior brand is still alive and very well recognized within the student body.
I'm down for this.
It's alive amongst the fanatics. Among regular students? Not so much. Eventually, there will be no one left to fight the Golden Eagle Mascot.
We messed up in 1994. I understand and agree with the reasons, but not the execution. The Joan of Arc route would have been epic on so many levels. Probably too late now
There is a generation of MU graduates who have no affiliation to the Warriors nickname. It will probably be talked about for years by a vocal minority but will never come back for a number of reasons. It's time to move on.
As for those T-shirts, I call B.S. For starters, the nickname never was Marquette The Gold. It was simply "Gold." Like Harvard Crimson, Stanford Cardinal.
Also, why would a Gold T-shirt have a Golden Eagles logo on it?
I had to check the date of the post to make sure it wasn't supposed to go up April 1.
Go Warriors
Can we at least go back to the old bird logo? I never understand why teams insist on cartoony logos; there are so many cool things you could do with an eagle.
Jumpin' Jesuits!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 29, 2015, 09:41:39 PM
Probably wouldn't have had this happen if we hadn't embraced your profile pic there, ai'na?
Nah, probably wouldn't have gained traction, if someone other than than Sam Sauceda had been the AD, hey?
Bottom line is that ts about money. DiUlio took a big ass bribe in the name of the university from the Potawatomi to ditch the name forever.
The university does not like to talk about this. That's the only reason they aren't logical about this.
That's the story that has circulated on scoop for years.
I worked in sports(collegiate) licensing at the time of the name change. These are definitely bootlegs, probably produced by someone local with a small screen print machine. Maybe they are 10 years old. But they also could have been made a couple weeks ago. I extremely doubt these ever made it to a major retailer, even as samples.
"The Gold" was never registered with CLC (Collegiate Licensing Company) which managed all the licensed product for Marquette. So there was no need for the small circle R logo. And unless the vendors name is on the label, ie.. Champion, Nike... the name is required somewhere on the garment.
There are a lot of cool collectibles like the championship t-shirts/hats for the eventual Super Bowl loser. I have about of dozen of these. People just seem to scratch their heads when they see me in my Houston Oilers Super Bowl Championship tee with Warren Moon on it.