Might be something interesting to follow.......
Sammy Albano @SammyAlbano · 37m 37 minutes ago
So @UConnHuskies calling @BIGEAST presidents 4 an audience bout membership in #BigEast #AmericanAthleticConference @KevinMcNamara33
Yes. In a heartbeat.
Only if they drop football.
If they drop football. Which won't happen.
Or if they lower it to whatever Villanova and Georgetown are.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/It-IuKPJk0c/hqdefault.jpg)
Pick 'em up!!
This needs to happen ASAP
Then pick up UMass too, and stay at this 12 for a decade+.
I don't even care if they both keep football and leave in 7-10 years. We will be better off for it.
No brainer.
They have more history in the BE than over half the teams in the conference now. You don't say no to UCONN and yes to SLU...or Dayton...or VCU.
They are a team that already has true rivalries with the existing teams (the other founding members). This conference needs storylines.
Quote from: MuMark on April 14, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
Might be something interesting to follow.......
Sammy Albano @SammyAlbano · 37m 37 minutes ago
So @UConnHuskies calling @BIGEAST presidents 4 an audience bout membership in #BigEast #AmericanAthleticConference @KevinMcNamara33
If Uconn is the one doing the calling, I have to imagine they're willing to make some sort of concession to join... Or go back on something that kept them out in the first place?
They will keep football, that is a guarantee. Maybe they go independent? Or become football-only members in AAC (like Navy)? I have no idea if that option is even possible.
Again, only if they drop football, or, as TT pointed out, at least drop the football program below D1. And that will not happen. Football drives everything. They'd be in the league for as long as it takes for them to land with one of the "Power 5" conferences, and that wouldn't be very long in the grand scheme of things. We need like-minded athletic programs in the BE, and UCONN is not.
This is...intriguing. Will be interesting to watch how this story evolves.
Quote from: LeesWorld on April 14, 2015, 08:58:45 PM
Again, only if they drop football, or, as TT pointed out, at least drop the football program below D1. And that will not happen. Football drives everything. They'd be in the league for as long as it takes for them to land with one of the "Power 5" conferences, and that wouldn't be very long in the grand scheme of things. We need like-minded athletic programs in the BE, and UCONN is not.
We don't need more like-minded schools. Uconn's brand far exceeds any brand currently in the BE - they would be the only true national brand. They should be calling Fox instead of the BE Presidents. Their women's program draws well...and they are upgrading lacrosse...
I've said this 50 times on scoop. Yes for unnatural carnal knowledge sakes yes. There football is a non issue. They are not Notre Dame or syracuse, the football team is not drawing crowds and is not going to be a national contender anytime soon.
Now maybe we can get on ESPN, hey?
Quote from: LeesWorld on April 14, 2015, 08:58:45 PM
Again, only if they drop football, or, as TT pointed out, at least drop the football program below D1. And that will not happen. Football drives everything. They'd be in the league for as long as it takes for them to land with one of the "Power 5" conferences, and that wouldn't be very long in the grand scheme of things. We need like-minded athletic programs in the BE, and UCONN is not.
I do not think dropping football matters. One or two football schools would not wag the Big East's tail. The only risk would be that they would leave for a football conference. You solve that problem by making the buyout high enough to either totally discourage them leaving or make it profitable enough that you do not really care if they leave. As far as a second team, if you are going to allow football make the same offer to Cincinnati. Then I would offer Memphis, if Cincy is not interested.
Quote from: Atticus on April 14, 2015, 09:05:50 PM
We don't need more like-minded schools. Uconn's brand far exceeds any brand currently in the BE - they would be the only true national brand. They should be calling Fox instead of the BE Presidents. Their women's program draws well...and they are upgrading lacrosse.
This times 1,000
So what happens to UConn football? Independent?
Quote from: MarquetteDano on April 14, 2015, 09:19:05 PM
So what happens to UConn football? Independent?
My vote's for shutting it down.
Quote from: Atticus on April 14, 2015, 08:45:08 PM
You don't say no to UCONN and yes to SLU...or Dayton...or VCU.
This sums it up. It's a no-brainer. If there's any truth to it, Fox would have to be pushing aggressively to steal Bristol's home team.
Quote from: LeesWorld on April 14, 2015, 08:58:45 PM
Again, only if they drop football, or, as TT pointed out, at least drop the football program below D1. And that will not happen. Football drives everything. They'd be in the league for as long as it takes for them to land with one of the "Power 5" conferences, and that wouldn't be very long in the grand scheme of things. We need like-minded athletic programs in the BE, and UCONN is not.
Seriously, what are they getting from football? Their team isn't drawing crowds, costs are headed up, and they have really no chance of getting an invite from the Big 10 (academics) the ACC, or the SEC. If those three are out as possibilities, then where would they be welcome? There are no other remotely close geographic fits. Maybe, just maybe, the light bulb is going on.
I really can't see a Division I football endgame for UConn where they end up in a Big 5 conference.
Who comes with them?
If this is only for lacrosse, I'm not sure it's that big a deal
Football has been a hindrance to UConn - it's what landed them in the AAC instead of the BE. If they come to their senses and drop it (or at least drop to the level of Nova/GTown), then by all means let them in. If they don't, tell 'em to enjoy the AAC until they do.
Why would they drop to the FCS level? You don't make any money at that level.
Quote from: bilsu on April 14, 2015, 09:13:58 PM
I do not think dropping football matters. One or two football schools would not wag the Big East's tail. The only risk would be that they would leave for a football conference. You solve that problem by making the buyout high enough to either totally discourage them leaving or make it profitable enough that you do not really care if they leave. As far as a second team, if you are going to allow football make the same offer to Cincinnati. Then I would offer Memphis, if Cincy is not interested.
My guess is that Xavier would be vehemently opposed to this, just as Nova would be staunchly against adding Temple. I like Memphis, but aren't they trying to build
up their football program?
Quote from: bradley center bat on April 14, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
Why would they drop to the FCS level? You don't make any money at that level.
How much they making in the AAC? Gotta believe most of UConn's revenues are from hoops.
Quote from: T-Bone on April 14, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
Who comes with them?
Cheap answer - they're enough that it doesn't matter. Is it worth staying at 11 for a year or two to better evaluate the best team 12?
Cincy comes to mind as the other re-join, except we chose X and are good with that decision, and unlike UConn they care about football. So the same list pops up - with a little more openness to 1) publics (VCU, Wichita State) and 2) possibly those with football.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 14, 2015, 09:51:05 PM
How much they making in the AAC? Gotta believe most of UConn's revenues are from hoops.
Football and basketball jointly are getting $126 million/year for 7 years. The BE deal was basketball and ancillary sports for $500 million over 12 years. We have 10 teams, they have 11/12 for football.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/tu/football/aac-tv-deal-is-with-espn-cbs-sports/article_be99055d-ac62-502c-9ce3-eb99bb0f59aa.html
We'd be crazy not to let them in even without any concessions. It immediately increases the brand image.
I think a good rule for the future could be that if a team's football team makes LESS money than the basketball team, they should be allowed. If however, the football team starts to make more than the basketball team they will get the boot.
That way football can never drive the bus.
Sounds like lacrosse only, so doesn't seem like that big of a deal, though long term it could open the door for more.
I just found out last week that Butler has a football program, had no idea.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
Sounds like lacrosse only, so doesn't seem like that big of a deal, though long term it could open the door for more.
Any chance of a link? Just curious.
Thought the Bearcats were headed to the Big12?
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
Sounds like lacrosse only, so doesn't seem like that big of a deal, though long term it could open the door for more.
Looks like the women are already in for lacrosse, they don't have a men's team.
Quote from: source? on April 14, 2015, 10:16:26 PM
Looks like the women are already in for lacrosse, they don't have a men's team.
Men's team goes D1 in 2018.
You take UConn. Duh.
They can play football in any league they'd like or go indy, and the Big East makes the exit fee for leaving the conference seriously onerous with no loopholes.
So if the ACC or Big 14 comes a'callin' one day and UConn leaves, they or their new conference pays through the teeth. A decent consolation prize.
One or two football schools out of 12 won't hurt the Big East brand at all, while UConn hoops seriously helps the basketball brand.
No-brainer of all no-brainers.
Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2015, 10:33:32 PM
You take UConn. Duh.
They can play football in any league they'd like or go indy, and the Big East makes the exit fee for leaving the conference seriously onerous with no loopholes.
So if the ACC or Big 14 comes a'callin' one day and UConn leaves, they or their new conference pays through the teeth. A decent consolation prize.
One or two football schools out of 12 won't hurt the Big East brand at all, while UConn hoops seriously helps the basketball brand.
No-brainer of all no-brainers.
This exactly. Make high exit fee. Collect $ if they leave. 1-2 football teams makes no difference to "brand". No one cares about the perception and if the BE lost a school to another conference down the road. I see it as another good game or two on marquettes schedule each year.
My thought for exit fee would be $75M. More than the ACC and enough that if they leave it's a legit windfall for everyone. Take them and Dayton, be done with expansion.
But again, don't think this is for basketball. More likely just pairing their developing men's lacrosse program with their extant women's program in our league.
Quote from: The Lens on April 14, 2015, 09:14:37 PM
This times 1,000
They can call Fox all day, but the bylaws are clear....doesn't mean a thing. Univ presidents make the decision and the contract has a decade left.
Only way I would do this if schools gave up all their media rights in the future, were subject to no splitting of NCAA tournament rev for at least 2 years.
Obviously if it is done, then you need to see what FOX is willing to pony up. Considering right now Fox has overpaid for the current deal, they might not be in the mood for tacking on because ultimately they have to sell this though to the TV distributors who are already balking at their increases...see Uverse and Fox Sports.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2015, 10:27:16 PM
Men's team goes D1 in 2018.
So a conference call with Big East presidents to vote in UCONN for Men's lacrosse in 2018? That could be done on Survey Monkey, a'nia?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 14, 2015, 09:42:15 PM
Football has been a hindrance to UConn - it's what landed them in the AAC instead of the BE. If they come to their senses and drop it (or at least drop to the level of Nova/GTown), then by all means let them in. If they don't, tell 'em to enjoy the AAC until they do.
There is exactly 0% chance that they will go back to I-AA or D-II. That would be complete insanity.
The program has had a rough last few years due to a string of bad coaching decisions. In the last few years, they have not been good, but over the last 15 years this program has been on a meteoric rise. Under Randy Edsall, Uconn was a very respectable program in a good football conference.
I think you are implying that Uconn's primary goal was to get into the new Big East, and/or that the new Big East didn't want them because of football and that they were resigned to the AAC. That is completely wrong. They wanted to get into a power football conference. Uconn was simply the last one standing in the musical chairs / circus of the conference realignment. They got f***ed, Rutgers somehow found a seat and Uconn had no place to go. And they're still in a weird position because the power football conferences have settled down. But of the options they had (they sucked, of course), the AAC was the best fit overall.
Quote from: yetipro on April 14, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
There is exactly 0% chance that they will go back to I-AA or D-II. That would be complete insanity.
The program has had a rough last few years due to a string of bad coaching decisions. In the last few years, they have not been good, but over the last 15 years this program has been on a meteoric rise. Under Randy Edsall, Uconn was a very respectable program in a good football conference.
I think you are implying that Uconn's primary goal was to get into the new Big East, and/or that the new Big East didn't want them because of football and that they were resigned to the AAC. That is completely wrong. They wanted to get into a power football conference. Uconn was simply the last one standing in the musical chairs / circus of the conference realignment. They got f***ed, Rutgers somehow found a seat and Uconn had no place to go. And they're still in a weird position because the power football conferences have settled down. But of the options they had (they sucked, of course), the AAC was the best fit overall.
Rutgers is a member of the AAU, that's big stuff to the Big Ten. UCONN is not. Rutgers also grabs a TV market, even if they aren't a big draw, that UCONN does not. That helps with subscriber rates that the Big Ten could force on cable and satellite providers.
Husky football to the MAC
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2015/2/5/7974553/why-uconn-should-rejoin-the-big-east
Just don't add Dayton. Please, please, please... no Dayton...
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on April 14, 2015, 08:41:42 PM
Then pick up UMass too, and stay at this 12 for a decade+.
As someone who lives 15 minutes away from UMass, I'd love this, but as is pointed out about UConn, UMass has made serious financial commitments to their football program within the last few years, after having decided NOT to drop it. I don't see them dropping it, just to get their b-ball team in the BEast. And, after all, the A-10 is better than UConn's AAC.
Quote from: yetipro on April 14, 2015, 08:58:14 PM
If Uconn is the one doing the calling, I have to imagine they're willing to make some sort of concession to join... Or go back on something that kept them out in the first place?
You mean they'd need to become a Catholic school?
I haven't seen anything locally yet. Will post if I do.
There's a thread for this Tweet on the UConn Boneyard site, however someone there must be reading MUScoop because they posted "according to Marquette fans, it's for men's lacrosse."
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 14, 2015, 11:34:55 PM
Rutgers is a member of the AAU, that's big stuff to the Big Ten. UCONN is not.
Nebraska isn't either....
What would UConn's motivations be to join the BE if they still planned to keep their football team? The Boneyard is implying this is only for lacrosse.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 14, 2015, 09:51:05 PM
How much they making in the AAC? Gotta believe most of UConn's revenues are from hoops.
Football always makes more than basketball. Their TV deal is $2 million per year and they got all the C-7 credits from the old Big East.
Quote from: H.E. Man on April 14, 2015, 10:05:05 PM
I just found out last week that Butler has a football program, had no idea.
Non-schlolarship
Wow, based on the responses at their site (another terrible format site, btw), I'm more inclined to tell them off or that they have to eliminate football.
Quote from: chapman on April 14, 2015, 09:52:43 PM
Cheap answer - they're enough that it doesn't matter. Is it worth staying at 11 for a year or two to better evaluate the best team 12?
Cincy comes to mind as the other re-join, except we chose X and are good with that decision, and unlike UConn they care about football. So the same list pops up - with a little more openness to 1) publics (VCU, Wichita State) and 2) possibly those with football.
Cincinnati will not come for two reasons
1. Xavier, they do not want to be in the same conference, their cross town shoot out game, is a huge rivalry game in the city during conference season and usually a nice boost to the winner's RPI. Also adding Cincinnati does very little for FS1 and the all important TV markets.
2. Cincy has just poured a ton of money into renovating Nippert Stadium. They want to get back into a Power 5 conference and would bolt the moment anyone offered. I still think they are in consideration if the Big 12 decides to expand, another year of no Big 12 schools in the Playoff will probably force their hand to expand.
As for UConn they would have to find a conference, as UMass has, that would allow them to park their football team there. Again too much money spent by UConn to go FBS barely a decade ago to call it quits already. D-II is not an option for any D-I school. D-I schools have to play either FCS or FBS if they offer football.
Quote from: MUMonster03 on April 15, 2015, 08:31:21 AM
As for UConn they would have to find a conference, as UMass has, that would allow them to park their football team there. Again too much money spent by UConn to go FBS barely a decade ago to call it quits already. D-II is not an option for any D-I school. D-I schools have to play either FCS or FBS if they offer football.
UMass does not have a conference affiliation after the 2015 year for football. The MAC booted them. There really is no motivation for a conference to take a middling football program like UMass or UConn.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 15, 2015, 08:33:57 AM
UMass does not have a conference affiliation after the 2015 year for football. The MAC booted them. There really is no motivation for a conference to take a middling football program like UMass or UConn.
I did not know that. It will be interesting to see what they do then. The biggest draw back to being independent is unless you are really good you have no bowl tie ins and don't benefit from bowl money being given out to every school in the conference.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 15, 2015, 07:26:29 AM
Nebraska isn't either....
But they were when they were voted on to be accepted into the Big Ten
Quote from: bradley center bat on April 15, 2015, 07:48:17 AM
Football always makes more than basketball. Their TV deal is $2 million per year and they got all the C-7 credits from the old Big East.
More gross revenue. But what about the net? I hear football expenses can be pretty high....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2015, 08:37:58 AM
But they were when they were voted on to be accepted into the Big Ten
So when is the vote to oust them? It's been four years since they were booted from the AAU.
Or is the criterion simply that the school once belonged to the AAU?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 15, 2015, 08:39:20 AM
So when is the vote to oust them? It's been four years since they were booted from the AAU.
Or is the criterion simply that the school once belonged to the AAU?
I have no idea. What I do know is in the history of the Big Ten, no school has been admitted that wasn't part of the AAU at the time of it's approval to come in. Furthermore, all existing Big Ten schools were also members of the AAU. The only conference in the USA to be able to claim this, that includes the Ivy League. It's important to the Big Ten presidents.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 14, 2015, 09:51:05 PM
How much they making in the AAC? Gotta believe most of UConn's revenues are from hoops.
Gotta believe this is wrong
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 14, 2015, 10:52:29 PM
So a conference call with Big East presidents to vote in UCONN for Men's lacrosse in 2018? That could be done on Survey Monkey, a'nia?
That was my impression. If I'm Lovell and UConn calls me to petition to join the Big East for men's lacrosse, I ask them why they're wasting my time on something that is the AD's job, and probably far down on his list of things he gives a damn about.
Quote from: chapman on April 15, 2015, 08:45:28 AM
That was my impression. If I'm Lovell and UConn calls me to petition to join the Big East for men's lacrosse, I ask them why they're wasting my time on something that is the AD's job, and probably far down on his list of things he gives a damn about.
Because it is probably in the conference bylaws the conference presidents have to approve.
UCONN football took in more revenue than UCONN men's and women's basketball combined
http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/article/20140428/PRINTEDITION/304249936/despite-basketball-glory-uconn-must-look-to-football-to-boost-athletics-business
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 15, 2015, 08:38:09 AM
More gross revenue. But what about the net? I hear football expenses can be pretty high....
College athletics, especially football, are public relations expenses. Think about it that way.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 15, 2015, 08:48:11 AM
College athletics, especially football, are public relations expenses. Think about it that way.
Bingo. Hence the reason the entire establishment happily goes along with it.
UConn is going D-1 in lacrosse in a couple of years. I wouldn't be shocked if UConn was indeed in talks with the Big East about an affiliate membership for lacrosse. It's a win/win for both parties. UConn gets to park it's lacrosse in a respected conference until, hopefully in their eyes, they get an invite from the B1G or ACC. The Big East gets to have ongoing dialogue with a top basketball power and becomes a fallback option if UConn never gets the golden ticket out of the American Conference.
In either scenario, UConn is not planning on being in the American Athletic Conference long term. They don't want to be stuck with Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa, UCF, SMU, Houston and USF long term.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2015, 08:47:21 AM
UCONN football took in more revenue than UCONN men's and women's basketball combined
http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/article/20140428/PRINTEDITION/304249936/despite-basketball-glory-uconn-must-look-to-football-to-boost-athletics-business
The article also notes that football's expenses were higher, with no mention of how the net revenues compare.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 15, 2015, 09:44:12 AM
The article also notes that football's expenses were higher, with no mention of how the net revenues compare.
I answered you original revenue question. I'll try to dig up net revenue. Please hold....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2015, 09:45:30 AM
I answered you original revenue question. I'll try to dig up net revenue. Please hold....
You interpreted the word "revenues" in my original statement to mean
gross revenues. That interpretation was incorrect.
We could go to a 20 game conference schedule and still play every team twice, if we added only one team. There is one conference that now has a 20 game schedule.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 14, 2015, 11:34:55 PM
Rutgers is a member of the AAU, that's big stuff to the Big Ten. UCONN is not. Rutgers also grabs a TV market, even if they aren't a big draw, that UCONN does not. That helps with subscriber rates that the Big Ten could force on cable and satellite providers.
UConn is trying to get into the AAU. The state changed some things around and created additional research capacity at the UConn Health Center, so the university meets all the requirements for AAU membership (not sure if everything is in fully in place yet?). But I also understand, you can't apply to be a member of AAU, you have to be invited.
There are really three ways for schools to get into a "Power 5" conference these days:
1. Be good at football. (eg, Nebraska, TCU)
2. Be reasonably close to a large television market (eg, Rutgers, Colorado)
3. Pray for conference turmoil that leaves an opening somewhere (eg, WVU, Missouri)
#1 is really the only thing that UConn can reasonably control. (Though it hasn't worked for Boise.) But lacrosse or basketball success isn't going to get them the bid. Only football success would work from an on field performance point of view.
#2 is probably out the window with the ACC taking BC and the B10 taking Rutgers.
#3 is not likely unless the B10 looks to expand shortly with its television contract due. The B12 isn't going to be looking to UConn if they want 12 members.
Quote from: bilsu on April 15, 2015, 09:51:46 AM
We could go to a 20 game conference schedule and still play every team twice, if we added only one team. There is one conference that now has a 20 game schedule.
Seems like three basic options if we were to expand:
1) 11 teams, 20 game schedule. Seems viable, but would have to be for the right team. UConn might be that team. Personally I still like even numbers though.
2) 12 teams, 18 game schedule. Unbalanced schedule, as we always did. Play 7 teams home-and-home, play the other 4 once.
3) 12 teams, 2 divisions, 16 game schedule. Play everyone in division twice (10 games), play everyone in the other division once (6 games). Would take away having everyone come visit every year, but would still guarantee you get everyone in the league at least once every two years. Would provide better balance than the 18 game option despite 2 less games.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 15, 2015, 09:48:08 AM
You interpreted the word "revenues" in my original statement to mean gross revenues. That interpretation was incorrect.
Sounds like the original statement should have been more clear, or simply stated what was the profit generated to eliminate any ambiguity. ;)
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 15, 2015, 09:52:04 AM
UConn is trying to get into the AAU. The state changed some things around and created additional research capacity at the UConn Health Center, so the university meets all the requirements for AAU membership (not sure if everything is in fully in place yet?). But I also understand, you can't apply to be a member of AAU, you have to be invited.
Yup, I know they are trying like the dickens. We'll see if they get it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2015, 10:03:36 AM
Sounds like the original statement should have been more clear, or simply stated what was the profit generated to eliminate any ambiguity. ;)
But universities are "non-profits"...or at least the IRS seems to think so.... ;)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 15, 2015, 09:54:17 AM
There are really three ways for schools to get into a "Power 5" conference these days:
1. Be good at football. (eg, Nebraska, TCU)
2. Be reasonably close to a large television market (eg, Rutgers, Colorado)
3. Pray for conference turmoil that leaves an opening somewhere (eg, WVU, Missouri)
#1 is really the only thing that UConn can reasonably control. (Though it hasn't worked for Boise.) But lacrosse or basketball success isn't going to get them the bid. Only football success would work from an on field performance point of view.
#2 is probably out the window with the ACC taking BC and the B10 taking Rutgers.
#3 is not likely unless the B10 looks to expand shortly with its television contract due. The B12 isn't going to be looking to UConn if they want 12 members.
UConn technically is in the New York City TV market as Fairfield County Connecticut is part of the Nielsen NYC coverage area so they got that going for them.
However,
#2 - From the ACC perspective they probably feel they got NYC covered with Syracuse even though they are not technically in the NYC TV coverage area?
#2 - With Rutgers they would help sandwich NYC making the Big 10 even bigger in NYC, but I recall Chicos posting awhile ago that the Big 10 got the additional subscriber fees from the Rutgers addition already from the NYC cable operators so I suppose how much more could they really expect to extract?
They are just stuck between a rock & hard place.
Interestingly, this was UConn's first year in their the upgrade to NCAA hockey as a member of Hockey East. They were the top attendance leader in Hockey East also. Another team for the Big 10 hockey league?
So the upgrade for lacrosse is next.
Quote from: Eldon on April 14, 2015, 08:24:37 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/It-IuKPJk0c/hqdefault.jpg)
Pick 'em up!!
This is genius.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
I have no idea. What I do know is in the history of the Big Ten, no school has been admitted that wasn't part of the AAU at the time of it's approval to come in. Furthermore, all existing Big Ten schools were also members of the AAU. The only conference in the USA to be able to claim this, that includes the Ivy League. It's important to the Big Ten presidents.
Last I checked (and it's been some time), Notre Dame was not AAU and yet it was my impression that the B10 wanted them nevertheless.
Quote from: Eldon on April 15, 2015, 11:46:31 AM
Last I checked (and it's been some time), Notre Dame was not AAU and yet it was my impression that the B10 wanted them nevertheless.
ND is still not a member.
My sense is that AAU membership is strongly preferred and a good excuse for the conference to choose one school (Rutgers) over another (UConn), but no longer an absolute requirement. If ND called the B10 today, they'd be in the conference tomorrow. And the B10 doesn't seem to be in any hurry to boot Nebraska.
Quote from: Eldon on April 15, 2015, 11:46:31 AM
Last I checked (and it's been some time), Notre Dame was not AAU and yet it was my impression that the B10 wanted them nevertheless.
They are not AAU, and if you will recall there was a strong push by many of the universities NOT to admit them because of that very reason. Do I think they would take them ultimately? Yes, but that didn't stop many of the academics to push back saying they were not worthy.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-06-13/sports/ct-spt-0614-aau-big-ten-expansion--20100613_1_aau-nebraska-chancellor-harvey-perlman-big-ten-members
Quote from: bradley center bat on April 15, 2015, 07:48:17 AM
Football always makes more than basketball. Their TV deal is $2 million per year and they got all the C-7 credits from the old Big East.
I know this has nothing to do with the thread or the current AAU discussion, but the AAC did not get all of the C-7 credits. Probably the biggest misconception from the conference realignment.
Quote from: pux90mex on April 15, 2015, 03:35:04 PM
I know this has nothing to do with the thread or the current AAU discussion, but the AAC did not get all of the C-7 credits. Probably the biggest misconception from the conference realignment.
Have you seen anything definitive on this? I've seen it reported different ways, but nothing concrete.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 14, 2015, 11:34:55 PM
Rutgers is a member of the AAU, that's big stuff to the Big Ten. UCONN is not. Rutgers also grabs a TV market, even if they aren't a big draw, that UCONN does not. That helps with subscriber rates that the Big Ten could force on cable and satellite providers.
Please, I'm begging....not another thread about the Big 10's "incredible" academics. Pretty, pretty please.
Quote from: Groin_pull on April 15, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Please, I'm begging....not another thread about the Big 10's "incredible" academics. Pretty, pretty please.
They have solid academics, but most are at the research level, not necessarily at the undergrad level.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2015, 12:33:13 PM
They are not AAU, and if you will recall there was a strong push by many of the universities NOT to admit them because of that very reason. Do I think they would take them ultimately? Yes, but that didn't stop many of the academics to push back saying they were not worthy.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-06-13/sports/ct-spt-0614-aau-big-ten-expansion--20100613_1_aau-nebraska-chancellor-harvey-perlman-big-ten-members
Notre Dame is not worthy to rub academic shoulders with Nebraska, Indiana and Michigan State? Right.
Quote from: Leehouse on April 15, 2015, 04:07:12 PM
Have you seen anything definitive on this? I've seen it reported different ways, but nothing concrete.
Yup. I'll have a story up sometime this month.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2015, 08:15:08 PM
Notre Dame is not worthy to rub academic shoulders with Nebraska, Indiana and Michigan State? Right.
I wouldn't put IU in that group. I would insert Minnesota and maybe Illinois, and definitely Iowa.
Quote from: The Lens on April 15, 2015, 09:16:15 PM
I wouldn't put IU in that group. I would insert Minnesota and maybe Illinois, and definitely Iowa.
Illinois is much more selective than Indiana. Illinois high school students rejected by the home school often end up in Bloomington or Iowa City.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2015, 09:34:12 PM
Illinois is much more selective than Indiana. Illinois high school students rejected by the home school often end up in Bloomington or Iowa City.
Iowa and UI are the Big Ten safety schools.
I didn't even bother with Illinois, mostly because Champaign sucks, but I also had no chance at getting in.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2015, 09:34:12 PM
Illinois is much more selective than Indiana. Illinois high school students rejected by the home school often end up in Bloomington or Iowa City.
Well Illinois students are worth a lot more to IU than U of I. That out of state tuition can always add a few points to the GPA. That's not unique to IU.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 15, 2015, 07:26:29 AM
Nebraska isn't either....
But they were for a long time during which most of the romance with the Big Ten happened.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 15, 2015, 08:33:57 AM
UMass does not have a conference affiliation after the 2015 year for football. The MAC booted them. There really is no motivation for a conference to take a middling football program like UMass or UConn.
Unless that conference is the AAC.
Quote from: LEETM on April 15, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
Iowa and UI are the Big Ten safety schools.
I didn't even bother with Illinois, mostly because Champaign sucks, but I also had no chance at getting in.
This sounds about right to me, until I looked it up and didn't realize average test scores are higher than Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan State, Michigan at least according to this site...no idea if this site is any good, but does call into question the safety school notion. http://www.studentsreview.com/big_ten_compare.html
Never applied to a Big Ten school for undergraduate, just graduate schools where they tend to rank very highly in most programs.
The AAU membership is about premier research institutions, of which Notre Dame is not, but each Big Ten school is....sans Nebraska now.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2015, 11:14:30 PM
...no idea if this site is any good
C'mon, Jams. "Student Reviews..."
I found this on the web with a Brewcity77 mention.
http://collegespun.com/college-spun-2/heres-where-the-uconn-to-the-big-east-rumor-originated
Wednesday, Apr 15, 2015 10:48 am
Here's Where The UConn-To-The-Big-East Rumor Originated
by Matt Lombardi
It's been just over a week since the men's college basketball season ended, which, apparently, means that it's been just enough time to start up the conference realignment rumor mill. UConn is the latest school to be subjected to speculation, though, as you'll see below, there doesn't seem to be much truth to what's being passed around.
Tuesday night, a former CBS News editor named Sam Albano, who attended Saint John's back in the 1970s, dropped an odd tweet about UConn potentially wanting to talk to the Big East presidents about potential membership. Albano, who cited "sources", has provided no other information about his tweet. Some have speculated that the rumors might concern lacrosse, which obviously, wouldn't be a big deal.
So @UConnHuskies calling @BIGEAST presidents 4 an audience bout membership in #BigEast #AmericanAthleticConference @KevinMcNamara33
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@MJP1313 @UConnHuskies @KevinMcNamara33 not good news 4 the #AAC. Still don't c @BIGEAST taking em unless @FOXSports steps in
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@KevinMcNamara33 @UConnHuskies Reliable sources
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@brewcity77 @UConnHuskies @BIGEAST @KevinMcNamara33 nothin 2 get giddy bout.@BIGEAST perfectw/ 10 teams & nothin in common w/ other schools
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@BasketballOP I don't need 2 do anything, capece?
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
Though there doesn't seem to be much here, Albano's tweets have been circulating on Twitter, finding their way to Reddit and numerous UConn message boards. The biggest reason? If there is any truth to the rumor, it remains to be seen what would happen to UConn's football program, considering the Big East doesn't have football as a sport.
Now you know where the rumor originated, and why it probably doesn't need to be taken seriously. We're not sure if that is going to make UConn fans feel any better, though.
Quote from: keefe on April 16, 2015, 03:27:56 AM
C'mon, Jams. "Student Reviews..."
That's why I asked....is the data in there based on student input? I don't know. Never applied as an undergraduate to a Big Ten school.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 16, 2015, 04:52:04 PM
That's why I asked....is the data in there based on student input? I don't know. Never applied as an undergraduate to a Big Ten school.
Middle 50%
Indiana: ACT 25-30, SAT 1110-1290, http://admissions.indiana.edu/education/class-profile.html
Illinois: ACT 27-32, SAT 1330-1470, http://admissions.illinois.edu/apply/requirements_freshman.html
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 16, 2015, 04:21:59 PM
I found this on the web with a Brewcity77 mention.
http://collegespun.com/college-spun-2/heres-where-the-uconn-to-the-big-east-rumor-originated
Wednesday, Apr 15, 2015 10:48 am
Here's Where The UConn-To-The-Big-East Rumor Originated
by Matt Lombardi
It's been just over a week since the men's college basketball season ended, which, apparently, means that it's been just enough time to start up the conference realignment rumor mill. UConn is the latest school to be subjected to speculation, though, as you'll see below, there doesn't seem to be much truth to what's being passed around.
Tuesday night, a former CBS News editor named Sam Albano, who attended Saint John's back in the 1970s, dropped an odd tweet about UConn potentially wanting to talk to the Big East presidents about potential membership. Albano, who cited "sources", has provided no other information about his tweet. Some have speculated that the rumors might concern lacrosse, which obviously, wouldn't be a big deal.
So @UConnHuskies calling @BIGEAST presidents 4 an audience bout membership in #BigEast #AmericanAthleticConference @KevinMcNamara33
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@MJP1313 @UConnHuskies @KevinMcNamara33 not good news 4 the #AAC. Still don't c @BIGEAST taking em unless @FOXSports steps in
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@KevinMcNamara33 @UConnHuskies Reliable sources
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@brewcity77 @UConnHuskies @BIGEAST @KevinMcNamara33 nothin 2 get giddy bout.@BIGEAST perfectw/ 10 teams & nothin in common w/ other schools
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@BasketballOP I don't need 2 do anything, capece?
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
Though there doesn't seem to be much here, Albano's tweets have been circulating on Twitter, finding their way to Reddit and numerous UConn message boards. The biggest reason? If there is any truth to the rumor, it remains to be seen what would happen to UConn's football program, considering the Big East doesn't have football as a sport.
Now you know where the rumor originated, and why it probably doesn't need to be taken seriously. We're not sure if that is going to make UConn fans feel any better, though.
Is this guy the new Dodds?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 16, 2015, 04:21:59 PM
I found this on the web with a Brewcity77 mention.
http://collegespun.com/college-spun-2/heres-where-the-uconn-to-the-big-east-rumor-originated
Wednesday, Apr 15, 2015 10:48 am
Here's Where The UConn-To-The-Big-East Rumor Originated
by Matt Lombardi
It's been just over a week since the men's college basketball season ended, which, apparently, means that it's been just enough time to start up the conference realignment rumor mill. UConn is the latest school to be subjected to speculation, though, as you'll see below, there doesn't seem to be much truth to what's being passed around.
Tuesday night, a former CBS News editor named Sam Albano, who attended Saint John's back in the 1970s, dropped an odd tweet about UConn potentially wanting to talk to the Big East presidents about potential membership. Albano, who cited "sources", has provided no other information about his tweet. Some have speculated that the rumors might concern lacrosse, which obviously, wouldn't be a big deal.
So @UConnHuskies calling @BIGEAST presidents 4 an audience bout membership in #BigEast #AmericanAthleticConference @KevinMcNamara33
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@MJP1313 @UConnHuskies @KevinMcNamara33 not good news 4 the #AAC. Still don't c @BIGEAST taking em unless @FOXSports steps in
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@KevinMcNamara33 @UConnHuskies Reliable sources
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@brewcity77 @UConnHuskies @BIGEAST @KevinMcNamara33 nothin 2 get giddy bout.@BIGEAST perfectw/ 10 teams & nothin in common w/ other schools
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
@BasketballOP I don't need 2 do anything, capece?
— Sammy Albano (@SammyAlbano) April 15, 2015
In other words ...
Done deal!
Due to a Sufficiently Nondescript Thread Title this is designated: A Heisenberg Free Thread
UConn may not be looking for a new conference, but perhaps a new coach?
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
UConn coach Kevin Ollie is being "seriously considered" for the OKC coaching job, source close to the situation tells @SNYtv
Quote from: PakunLee on April 20, 2015, 01:51:07 PM
UConn may not be looking for a new conference, but perhaps a new coach?
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
UConn coach Kevin Ollie is being "seriously considered" for the OKC coaching job, source close to the situation tells @SNYtv
I think Cooley's name will be thrown around if that opens.
...Shonn Miller.
Honest question: if UConn was in the B1G or ACC, and OKC offered Ollie its HC gig, would he be more or less likely to accept it than if (like today) UConn is in the American Conference?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 20, 2015, 02:24:31 PM
Honest question: if UConn was in the B1G or ACC, and OKC offered Ollie its HC gig, would he be more or less likely to accept it than if (like today) UConn is in the American Conference?
I don't think that it would be any different. He's got a well earned long leash at UConn. Does he want to give that up for the challenge of coaching in the NBA? Will the increase in salary be enough to make up for the job insecurity in the NBA? How big a hassle does he find recruiting?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 20, 2015, 02:24:31 PM
Honest question: if UConn was in the B1G or ACC, and OKC offered Ollie its HC gig, would he be more or less likely to accept it than if (like today) UConn is in the American Conference?
Uconn was his dream job. If it weren't for Calhoun he'd probably be an assistant somewhere or potentially a head coach at a low division 1 school. I don't think the conference affiliation matters at all, it's his alma mater, he won't leave just because of that...
Given their roster situation I think it would be a good time for him to move on, but I'd be surprised if he did.
Conference affiliation doesn't bother Geno.
Quote from: LittleWade on April 20, 2015, 06:01:37 PM
Will the increase in salary be enough to make up for the job insecurity in the NBA?
A fair question, but is there really a better situation for a first-time NBA coach to walk into? The insecure jobs are the ones where coaches are hired either pre- or mid-rebuild and asked to win with nothing. Who wouldn't jump at the chance to coach KD and Westbrook? If he could deliver a championship to OKC he would be a GOD there.
If Ollie does bolt to the NBA, then who does UCONN get to replace him? Assistant Karl Hobbs (who was assistant under both him and Calhoun, HC at GW)? Assistant Glen Miller (assistant under both him and Calhoun, HC at Brown and Penn)? Another outside candidate?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 21, 2015, 08:04:49 AM
If Ollie does bolt to the NBA, then who does UCONN get to replace him? Assistant Karl Hobbs (who was assistant under both him and Calhoun, HC at GW)? Assistant Glen Miller (assistant under both him and Calhoun, HC at Brown and Penn)? Another outside candidate?
Wojo to UConn.
Quote from: wheresthecake? on April 21, 2015, 07:17:50 AM
A fair question, but is there really a better situation for a first-time NBA coach to walk into? The insecure jobs are the ones where coaches are hired either pre- or mid-rebuild and asked to win with nothing. Who wouldn't jump at the chance to coach KD and Westbrook? If he could deliver a championship to OKC he would be a GOD there.
You mean KD and westbrook would be gods there