You here this post game interview.... Whining about hand checking and the lack of whistles.
Reggie said the officiating was bad but bad both ways and then implied that Wisconsin choked it away.
Quote from: Heisenberg on April 06, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
You here this post game interview.... Whining about hand checking and the lack of whistles.
Reggie said the officiating was bad but bad both ways and then implied that Wisconsin choked it away.
Unclassy...
Bo whining about the officials brings perfect closure to the season.
Bo says his guys are having a hard time dealing with the loss because the refs allowed more grabbing and hand checking than in any game he's coached. Typical Bo - whines all game and continues with it afterwards. Stay classy, Bo!
I just saw it. What a complete tool..
Coach k, congratulates Madison first thing, and coach Ryan complains about officials. Tells you all you need to know
This was his best shot. He's got to be disappointed in the extreme. He maybe even wanted to go out after this year. How sweet it would have been for him to pull an Al. That kind of ending is legendary.
Bo is such a sore loser. Glad we have wojo in that regard.
Grass is green. Sky is blue. Some things are universal constants.
And yet Badger fans are shocked that we didn't want to get behind them for this game.
There's his true colors.
Winning... it's too easy to hide then.
100% expected this thread to be here and be started by you.
At least you're not obsessing over his daughter.
Side note: CBS just played the "Congratulations Duke fans, your team just won the national title!" ad. I'm really tempted to buy a championship t-shirt just to put it on the Alvarez statue.
Incredibly sore loser glad a class act like coach K won
That interview. #storybookending
It was really a shame to see Bo Ryan spoil a great run by blaming the loss on the refs. Give credit to Reggie Miller for saying the calls were bad both ways. I guess the true colors always come out.
Typical Dracula. He thought the officiating was fine earlier in the tournament when his team had a 29-7 edge in free-throw attempts.
Why is there a thread on this ? It's like saying the sky is blue and the grass is green and I have to go to work tomorrow. What did you expect ?
Not a good look...
From their board
"I rewatch all the plays on hd slow mo and Wissoncin got screwed by coward refs plain and simple. It should have been UW in double bonus while Duke was not even in the bonus but it was complete oppoisite. Pure BS."
Like fans, like coach I suppose
Quote from: eg021 on April 06, 2015, 10:53:09 PM
Bo is such a sore loser. Glad we have wojo in that regard.
Always remember driving home from the BC after Pitt beat Bucky in th e NCAAs and listening to Bo's diatribe. He was a sore loser then and he still is. Okafor and Winslow drew some crappy fouls tonite. Bo could not take advantage of their time on the bench. Retire old man.
Just what I'd expect. I was going to be gracious but not now.
Suck it, Vadgers!
Gumbel calls Bo "Classy" immediately after. The F? Probably sour grapes on my part, but when I think of Bo Ryan and the Wisconsin fanbase as a whole (who will no doubt be echoing Bo's ref-job-butthole-aches-and-pains), a certain post-game comment by one Andrew Harrison comes to mind.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 06, 2015, 10:59:25 PM
From their board
"I rewatch all the plays on hd slow mo and Wissoncin got screwed by coward refs plain and simple. It should have been UW in double bonus while Duke was not even in the bonus but it was complete oppoisite. Pure BS."
Like fans, like coach I suppose
starts at the top with one bo ryan aka grinch
delete
ESPN guys called Bo out.
Good.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3824432/will-ferrell-wedding-crashers-o.gif)
These same refs that had Winslow and Okafor on the bench most of the game? Same refs that called Wisconsin for 2 fouls in the first half? Not at all possible that Duke started selling more calls or became more aggressive?
It gets better. He just made a comment talking about "rent-a-players"
total fouls Duke 15 UWM 13
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 06, 2015, 11:07:57 PM
It gets better. He just made a comment talking about "rent-a-players"
Is there somewhere to rewatch the press conference?
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 06, 2015, 11:07:57 PM
It gets better. He just made a comment talking about "rent-a-players"
He is such a jag
Bucky's conference style of play hurts them.
- B1G FPG: 10.8
- Non-Con FPG: 14.3
- NCAA FPG: 16.2
No Cryan against UNC (18) or AZ (21) when Bucky committed more fouls than in the loss versus Duke. The B1G style of officiating kills the conference in post-season.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 06, 2015, 11:07:57 PM
It gets better. He just made a comment talking about "rent-a-players"
yikes. this is getting really bad.
Love this though
@MarkEnnis 6m6 minutes ago
Bo Ryan is so against the rent-a-player idea he wouldn't even let his own guy transfer.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 06, 2015, 11:18:28 PM
He is such a jag
Which is all the more hilarious considering he was recruiting Diamond as much (or more so?) as anyone else
Is this not the ideal Marquette outcome? UW goes to the biggest stage to not only lose in front of the biggest audience, but look petty as hell with the Stone backlash, and have Bo's glorious sportsmanship on display for all to see.
What an insufferable tool.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 06, 2015, 11:19:20 PM
Which is all the more hilarious considering he was recruiting Diamond as much (or more so?) as anyone else
To be fair, I just saw the full quote and he was talking about graduate transfers at least in that sense.
First game in forever that Wisconsin didn't get the vast majority of calls and Bo whines. So classic, so typical, so revealing in character. The badger coaches, players, and fanbase don't know what an evenly called game looks like, so I guess it is understandable that they would consider it unfair.
Bronson getting in on the act too. Check his latest tweet. Someone just embed it for me. Im not good at this stuff.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on April 06, 2015, 11:59:24 PM
Bronson getting in on the act too. Check his latest tweet. Someone just embed it for me. Im not good at this stuff.
@BronsonK_24: Trying to keep my chin up n all but it's a little sore, not sure why
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 07, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
@BronsonK_24: Trying to keep my chin up n all but it's a little sore, not sure why
Because of a basketball play where you leaned into a driving shooter. Yes, being a badger, it is the first time the call has ever gone against you so I understand your surprise.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 07, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
@BronsonK_24: Trying to keep my chin up n all but it's a little sore, not sure why
Because you received insufficient help after you let him toast you with the drive.
Surprised Gasser went out with a 0 line. He's had a solid career.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 07, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
@BronsonK_24: Trying to keep my chin up n all but it's a little sore, not sure why
Why? Because the Duke player intentionally drove his arm into your face while attempting a shot, just like Coach K drew it up of course.
Does that whole team just whine whine whine? They had so many calls go their way, Okafor was in foul trouble all game!! Then they still whine about calls? Wow. Just. Wow. Even their fans are complaining about the "ref show" tonight. Ridiculous. The refs were terrible either way but in no way did it give Duke an advantage.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 06, 2015, 11:07:57 PM
It gets better. He just made a comment talking about "rent-a-players"
He's probably worried about their graduation rates
My thoughts about the officiating and reactions.
1. Wow does Kaminsky get the star treatment. Breathing on him is a foul. Travel...what travel (took 4 steps on the play that led to Okafor's 4th. Never a foul on Kaminsky.
2. Badgers are not Classy. The whole team jumps around after every single call like it was the worst call in history. Duje if I read lips properly, telling Tyus (charge call) that Tyus' D was a bitch move.
3. I can't believe Bo and company aren't called for a T every game.
Nice shot of the Grinch mid-whine.
(http://media.sunherald.com/smedia/2015/04/06/17/25/220-gFkZ8.AuSt.55.jpeg)
i absolutely hate duke and coach k...and that's from a sports standpoint where it's fun to have teams you like and dislike. so it was a tough game to decide who to pull for...i went into it not liking either team. by the end of the game bo and the badgers made duke look like the classiest bunch of kids/coaches on the planet.
bo got out-coached and out-classed. at halftime coach k. said they "couldn't get UW to foul them, and they needed to do a better job of that in the 2nd half." in the 2nd half they did so....he didn't say the refs wouldn't call fouls on UW (as bo claimed relentlessly at the end of the game), he gave the credit to UW, and rather than complain about the way the refs were calling the game, he placed the blame on his team for not "getting UW to foul them." the complaining on bo's end at the end of the game was typical bo. i don't think bo is remotely capable of entertaining the thought that they lost because he got out-coached, but coach k. once again showed why an athletic team that plays a smart game can beat the swing no matter how much talent UW had this year.
the audacity to complain repeatedly about the refs was amazing...especially after the freebies in the kentucky game. bo is a great coach, but even a greater pretty boy. would have loved a question regarding graduation rates at UW thrown in the mix when he was complaining about "rent-a-players" as well.
If you didn't know already, postgame reactions by coach, players and fans is why being a Marquette fan in Wisconsin brings out my admittedly unhealthy hatred of the rodents. They are truly insufferable and they are everywhere. I hope those that don't live in Wisconsin and couldn't understand the level of our loathing got some perspective on what we have to deal with.
Have to admit, I'm looking forward to rationally countering anyone that tries to propagate the Bo line of BS this week.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-coach-rips-refs-cbs-041320936.html
Sounds like he is saying they practice flopping. Which would explain the Bill Laimbeer-esque looks of disbelief whenever an official has the audacity to call a foul on Wiscy.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 06, 2015, 11:49:23 PM
To be fair, I just saw the full quote and he was talking about graduate transfers at least in that sense.
Hates them so much he doesn't graduate his players at all. ;)
Quote from: JWags85 on April 06, 2015, 10:59:25 PM
From their board
"I rewatch all the plays on hd slow mo and Wissoncin got screwed by coward refs plain and simple. It should have been UW in double bonus while Duke was not even in the bonus but it was complete oppoisite. Pure BS."
Like fans, like coach I suppose
Of course fans are going have that reaction. We've seen it many times on this board after a loss of ours in a regular season game. Its expected of fans. Quite another thing for the coach, however. He could have made his point by saying that the refs allowed a lot of contact tonight and Duke handled it better than us or something like that.
At any rate, he did a fantastic job coaching that team all season and ultimately that is what will be remembered, not some petty comments he made after absorbing the toughest loss of his career.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 07, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
@BronsonK_24: Trying to keep my chin up n all but it's a little sore, not sure why
The effects of repeated ball slapping?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 07, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
@BronsonK_24: Trying to keep my chin up n all but it's a little sore, not sure why
After watching your coach's post game interview, it is because you made a play that the entire rest of the universe knows to be a 'block', but in your practices (and in games called by B1G refs that your coach bullies) is called a 'charge.'
bo ryan = bill belicheck
Quote from: warriorfan 14 on April 07, 2015, 07:58:51 AM
bo ryan = bill belicheck
How so? Bilicheck actually wins championships ;D
Quote from: avid1010 on April 07, 2015, 06:14:28 AM
i absolutely hate duke and coach k...and that's from a sports standpoint where it's fun to have teams you like and dislike. so it was a tough game to decide who to pull for...i went into it not liking either team. by the end of the game bo and the badgers made duke look like the classiest bunch of kids/coaches on the planet.
I have a feeling plenty of otherwise neutral fans experienced that last night.
Pretty pathetic for a coach to call out the officials when the other team's two stars spent huge chunks of time on the bench with foul trouble. Even more so when you consider that they wouldn't even have been playing last night if not for beneficial calls vs UK, like the missed shot clock violation. Bo's true colors.
Now that Wiscy blew it, and Ryan is cryin', can we get off the Badger jag and get back to MU hoops. Sure hope we can get back to going deep in the dance--soon!!!
Quote from: willie warrior on April 07, 2015, 08:32:16 AM
Now that Wiscy blew it, and Ryan is cryin', can we get off the Badger jag and get back to MU hoops. Sure hope we can get back to going deep in the dance--soon!!!
That would be nice.
Wait, wait. One more Badger question before we finish.
Do we think coaches and players in the NBA will be able to realize Kaminsky NEVER goes to his left on his post moves? After watching WAY more Badger basketball then I can take this season, I have yet to see him go to his left.
Really, there was so much better ways to say what he meant, but to label them "rent-a-players" is just classless.
BTW, I do not think that game was reffed particularly well. But I don't think it benefited either team. That game was lost when Duke went small and UW could not take advantage on the offensive end. Bo, they beat you the same way in Madison - you couldn't keep the guards out of the lane.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 07, 2015, 08:46:04 AM
BTW, I do not think that game was reffed particularly well. But I don't think it benefited either team. That game was lost when Duke went small and UW could not take advantage on the offensive end. Bo, they beat you the same way in Madison - you couldn't keep the guards out of the lane.
Officiated in the same manner the entirety of the Tournament, which was substandard. Some mind boggling whistles and non-whistles. UW benefitted from mind boggling officiating on the Hayes shot clock basket against UK and didn't benefit from mind boggling officiating on the Winslow fingertip out of bounds.
That all equals out, especially when Ryan hardheadedly maintained his ball screen defense late in the game which allowed Jones to do anything he wanted up top.
Quote from: MUEng92 on April 07, 2015, 08:39:10 AM
Wait, wait. One more Badger question before we finish.
Do we think coaches and players in the NBA will be able to realize Kaminsky NEVER goes to his left on his post moves? After watching WAY more Badger basketball then I can take this season, I have yet to see him go to his left.
Hmmmmm..... Derrick Zoolander likes this.
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/zoolander.jpg?w=670&h=377&crop=1)
Quote from: Benny B on April 07, 2015, 08:57:26 AM
Hmmmmm..... Derrick Zoolander likes this.
Don't know if I should be happy or embarrassed that I have know idea what that means.
Quote from: MUEng92 on April 07, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
Don't know if I should be happy or embarrassed that I have know idea what that means.
You should be more embarrassed you don't know how to spell "no."
Quote from: MUEng92 on April 07, 2015, 08:39:10 AM
Do we think coaches and players in the NBA will be able to realize Kaminsky NEVER goes to his left on his post moves?
Charles Barkley noted this at halftime. Compared Big Frank to Dirk Nowitski in the NBA. Ernie Johnson promptly ridiculed Sir Charles and noted Nowitski has about 20,000 points in the Association.
Quote from: Groin_pull on April 07, 2015, 09:06:50 AM
You should be more embarrassed you don't know how to spell "no."
fricken iphone. When I turn it sideways, it fully blocks the message box so I have NO idea what is appearing while typing. I didn't even notice it. Yes, that I am embarrassed about.
Another reason why Nigel Hayes is one of the few Badgers I genuinely like, he refused to place blame on the refs, even when his coach couldn't resist. Classy dude
"We are a team with a lot of pride in what we do and we don't want to blame outside factors or other things," Nigel Hayes said. "I guess we just got a little too much contact on a lot of their drivers. We just maybe did a poor job of sliding our feet."
Quote from: Bleuteaux on April 07, 2015, 09:58:13 AM
Another reason why Nigel Hayes is one of the few Badgers I genuinely like, he refused to place blame on the refs, even when his coach couldn't resist. Classy dude
"We are a team with a lot of pride in what we do and we don't want to blame outside factors or other things," Nigel Hayes said. "I guess we just got a little too much contact on a lot of their drivers. We just maybe did a poor job of sliding our feet."
I don't know, that sounds kind of whiney to me... "
I guess we just got a little too much....We
just maybe did a poor job..."
Quote from: Black_Sands on April 07, 2015, 10:49:08 AM
I don't know, that sounds kind of whiney to me... "I guess we just got a little too much....We just maybe did a poor job..."
I suppose you could call it "Madison-classy"
A co-worker asked me this morning why no one from Duke formed a handshake line instead of celebrating after the game. My only thought was it probably never happens after a team wins the NC - too much celebrating going on.
Any thoughts?
Bo's cryin is just icing on the cake. Justifies my hate for Vadger basketball.
I was watching him bellyache in the interview with Tracy Wolfson and kept thinking, "this can't get any better".
Quote from: Michael Kenyon on April 07, 2015, 11:30:30 AM
A co-worker asked me this morning why no one from Duke formed a handshake line instead of celebrating after the game. My only thought was it probably never happens after a team wins the NC - too much celebrating going on.
Any thoughts?
Tell him/her to rematch the end of the KY game then ask why Bucky didn't
Quote from: NickelDimer on April 07, 2015, 11:32:06 AM
Tell him/her to rematch the end of the KY game then ask why Bucky didn't
IIRC the problem after that game was that KY ran off not WI
Quote from: Michael Kenyon on April 07, 2015, 11:30:30 AM
A co-worker asked me this morning why no one from Duke formed a handshake line instead of celebrating after the game. My only thought was it probably never happens after a team wins the NC - too much celebrating going on.
Any thoughts?
Carried away with the emotion of winning the national championship on a miraculous comeback after being down 9 a few minutes earlier? But ultimately, who cares, not our job to defend Duke. The coaches went through and shook hands, the players were a little distracted.
Quote from: Michael Kenyon on April 07, 2015, 11:41:30 AM
IIRC the problem after that game was that KY ran off not WI
The ky perspective was they were not going to wat around while wi celebrated
Quote from: MUEng92 on April 07, 2015, 09:17:53 AM
fricken iphone. When I turn it sideways, it fully blocks the message box so I have NO idea what is appearing while typing. I didn't even notice it. Yes, that I am embarrassed about.
Perhaps there is a WinPhone in your future?
Quote from: Michael Kenyon on April 07, 2015, 11:30:30 AM
A co-worker asked me this morning why no one from Duke formed a handshake line instead of celebrating after the game. My only thought was it probably never happens after a team wins the NC - too much celebrating going on.
Any thoughts?
Without going through any of the last championship games, I would guess that this is normal in close games. The winning team is too caught up in the moment celebrating while the losing team is too heartbroken. I imagine it would be a bit different if it was a blowout, but this was a back and forth, heartwrenching game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 06, 2015, 11:49:23 PM
To be fair, I just saw the full quote and he was talking about graduate transfers at least in that sense.
Which is funny, because the UW faithful absolutely LOVE Russell Wilson and like to claim him as their own. I understand Bo doesn't coach the football team or whatever, but if the UW fans were to run with Bo's sentiments on that, that includes "their" Super Bowl winning QB.
Coach K responds to the "rent-a-player" comment.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-mike-krzyzewski-duke-players-20150407-story.html
Quote from: MUunderpants on April 06, 2015, 11:02:04 PM
Gumbel calls Bo "Classy" immediately after. The F?
I had CC turned on, and his comments were in teal.
Bronson is still bitching on his twitter. It's incredible really.
Quote from: ttheisen on April 07, 2015, 01:18:34 PM
I had CC turned on, and his comments were in teal.
:) Applause.
Quote from: MUEng92 on April 07, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
Don't know if I should be happy or embarrassed that I have know idea what that means.
https://www.youtube.com/e/N_EacLppMW0
Quote from: ttheisen on April 07, 2015, 01:18:34 PM
I had CC turned on, and his comments were in teal.
Very, very nice. Very nice.
I am actually pretty objective when it comes to the Badgers. In-season I want them to do well to boost our RPI, but postseason I don't really care how they fare one way or the other. Anyway, I watched the game yesterday, including the Bo interview and I thought it was cheap. The very first thing out of his mouth is about the refs? Come on, man....
We aren't the only ones who think Bo is a whiny bitch:
http://deadspin.com/bo-ryan-is-the-poor-sport-hes-supposed-to-be-1696240425
But the Duke players were touching the UW players! And even bumping into them and stuff! This would never be tolerated in Madtown!
Waaaahhh!
Quote from: warriorchick on April 07, 2015, 08:28:09 PM
We aren't the only ones who think Bo is a whiny bitch:
http://deadspin.com/bo-ryan-is-the-poor-sport-hes-supposed-to-be-1696240425
"He's congratulating himself on losing virtuously"
That is a phenomenal quote right there!
Quote from: Bleuteaux on April 07, 2015, 09:58:13 AM
Another reason why Nigel Hayes is one of the few Badgers I genuinely like, he refused to place blame on the refs, even when his coach couldn't resist. Classy dude
"We are a team with a lot of pride in what we do and we don't want to blame outside factors or other things," Nigel Hayes said. "I guess we just got a little too much contact on a lot of their drivers. We just maybe did a poor job of sliding our feet."
I'd like to agree, but...
"It definitely hurt," Hayes said. "Getting an and-one, a team starts getting a little more excited, they start picking up their energy. We felt like we had them at that point. There's a point in the game where the lead starts to increase where you either fight back or you just wilt, and that was right at that point when they got the and-one and they continued to keep getting fouls called for them. I think that's what really turned the tide."http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/04/07/wisconsin-officiating-ncaa-championship-bo-ryan-bronson-koenig/25397385/
Marquette grad Charles Pierce doing his ever loving sobberfest for Bo.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/oh-god-you-blue-devil-how-duke-did-away-with-the-badgers/
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 07, 2015, 10:06:04 PM
Marquette grad Charles Pierce doing his ever loving sobberfest for Bo.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/oh-god-you-blue-devil-how-duke-did-away-with-the-badgers/
This article slobbers on Bo, but is much more rounded than the locals. Potrykus is horrible.
At least Pierce points out that K is a better coach and he has better players.
Well this article sure riled up the WI fans at work today:
NCAA head of officials on controversial play: 'We never saw what everybody saw at home'
By now you've probably seen the blown call that went against Wisconsin with just under two minutes left in Monday night's national championship.
If you missed it, Wisconsin's Bronson Koenig drove into the lane and attempted a layup in traffic and missed badly. The ball went up in the air and players from both sides fought for the ball, which deflected off a hand and out of bounds. The officials initially ruled that the ball hit off of Koenig, giving the ball back to Duke.
However, a closer, zoomed-in replay showed that the ball clearly glanced off the finger of Duke's Justise Winslow.
Even after a review of nearly two minutes, possession was awarded to Duke in a head-scratching decision.
To explain how the blown call transpired, NCAA head of officiating John Adams appeared on Sirius XM radio and made a pretty surprising admission that they never saw the definitive replay that viewers saw at home.
"All four of our officials were involved in the review. We never saw, on our monitor, what everybody saw at home, if you can believe that," Adams said.
However, after the officials left the monitor and made their ruling, Adams said he saw the zoomed-in view of the ball clearly touching Winslow's finger.
At that point he had the opportunity to quickly make a decision.
"I saw it after they had left the monitor, and actually thought about, is it in my prerogative to get up, run over to the table, buzz the buzzer, and tell them to come back and look?" Adams said. "That's how critical I thought the play was and concluded that this is a job for the guys on the floor. I've never done it before. Why would I do it tonight and perhaps change the balance of the game?"
It's pretty surprising that Adams wouldn't blatantly admit that a mistake had been made and even more surprising that he'd admit that he had the opportunity to correct the mistake. To do so, it seems like he would have had to forgo protocol that had been followed with the replay system for the entire season.
Beyond that, Adams seemed to cast a bit of blame toward the review system itself and said that the incident will be looked at moving forward.
"They'd already left. It will be one of the things we will follow up on," Adams said. "We've been told time and time again that nobody at home will see anything you didn't see. And I will tell you that's not what happened last night. That's not an excuse; that's just laying it out for you."
While it's nice that Adams was so transparent in explaining how it all went down, none of it will make Wisconsin fans feel any better.
After the possession was ultimately given to Duke, freshman guard Tyus Jones – the Final Four's Most Outstanding Player – drilled a three-pointer to increase the Blue Devils' lead from five to eight.
I love how we're led to believe that one out of bounds play when Wisconsin was already trailing by 5 was somehow more of a turning point than the Allen/Jones led run that led to the 14-point swing that gave Duke that lead in the first place.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 08, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
I love how we're led to believe that one out of bounds play when Wisconsin was already trailing by 5 was somehow more of a turning point than the Allen/Jones led run that led to the 14-point swing that gave Duke that lead in the first place.
Right. Wisconsin was down by 5. This was not a tie game.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on April 08, 2015, 11:05:45 AM
Right. Wisconsin was down by 5. This was not a tie game.
Seriously, if you look back at the game, the 10-minute stretch from Hayes' three at 12:00 until this play at 1:53 saw the Badgers get 14 possessions and score 7 points. Over the same stretch, Duke scored 18 points, mostly at the line or on layups because Allen, Winslow, Jones, and Okafor were attacking the basket (though Okafor barely played because of foul trouble in that time).
All the momentum had swung towards Duke, Wisconsin's poor defense and inability to counter Duke's small-ball shift had left them on the ropes, and still people think this was the turning point. By this point, the game had already taken a 180 and driven 20 miles in the opposite direction. Over the course of a 40-minute game this call was, for all intents and purposes, fairly inconsequential.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 08, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
Seriously, if you look back at the game, the 10-minute stretch from Hayes' three at 12:00 until this play at 1:53 saw the Badgers get 14 possessions and score 7 points. Over the same stretch, Duke scored 18 points, mostly at the line or on layups because Allen, Winslow, Jones, and Okafor were attacking the basket (though Okafor barely played because of foul trouble in that time).
All the momentum had swung towards Duke, Wisconsin's poor defense and inability to counter Duke's small-ball shift had left them on the ropes, and still people think this was the turning point. By this point, the game had already taken a 180 and driven 20 miles in the opposite direction. Over the course of a 40-minute game this call was, for all intents and purposes, fairly inconsequential.
That's a great assessment.
However, it is human nature to search for something external that somehow swung the direction of the game. This call is the closest thing Badger fans could find, even if by this time Duke had already taken over the game and was cruising to a victory. And the media latches onto it because controversy sells.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on April 08, 2015, 11:21:16 AM
That's a great assessment.
However, it is human nature to search for something external that somehow swung the direction of the game. This call is the closest thing Badger fans could find, even if by this time Duke had already taken over the game and was cruising to a victory. And the media latches onto it because controversy sells.
Its more the crown on the narrative that Wisconsin got zero calls in the second half and that run by Duke was solely due to Duke's guard's being able to draw spurious fouls on Wisconsin, WHO NEVER FOULS, AT ALL, LOOK AT THEIR SEASON STATS.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 08, 2015, 11:35:19 AM
Its more the crown on the narrative that Wisconsin got zero calls in the second half and that run by Duke was solely due to Duke's guard's being able to draw spurious fouls on Wisconsin, WHO NEVER FOULS, AT ALL, LOOK AT THEIR SEASON STATS.
Is that seriously what UW fans are saying? They couldn't possibly be fouling in the NC because they never got called for fouls previously? Pathetic if true, wow.
Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on April 08, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
Is that seriously what UW fans are saying? They couldn't possibly be fouling in the NC because they never got called for fouls previously? Pathetic if true, wow.
Yes. Yes they are. To wit, my cousin's Facebook post:
QuoteJust heard Bo and he was right - from 2 fouls in first half to 13 in second half. Makes me really believe that refs felt that Coach K needed to win.
Also, look at the last 2 games and most commentators will say the officials were awful. NCAA needs to fix that. Maybe use NBA refs for Final 4? But the ones they had were miserable for all teams
And to top it off, my cousin didn't even go to UW. He's a Tommie. And he has never lived in Wisconsin.
Why on earth would the NCAA need Duke to win? If anything, it is a much better story if Wisconsin wins.
They lost the same way they lost in December. They were dominated in the back court. Gasser and Koenig are a good backcourt, but they are nowhere near as good as what Duke puts on the floor.
Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on April 08, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
Is that seriously what UW fans are saying? They couldn't possibly be fouling in the NC because they never got called for fouls previously? Pathetic if true, wow.
Yea, ive seen multiple posts/tweets/comments about how they averaged 12.4 fouls a game during the year and had 13 in the second half so its some sort of witchcraft. Tossing out their foul count during the tournament and how it was far closer to the Duke game than the season has no effect.
Also, for fun on that note, Diamond is largely getting blamed for the Twitter shenanigans and how having a handle like All Eyes on Me shows that he deserves it and maybe Bo actually backed off...
Quote from: JWags85 on April 08, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
Yea, ive seen multiple posts/tweets/comments about how they averaged 12.4 fouls a game during the year and had 13 in the second half so its some sort of witchcraft. Tossing out their foul count during the tournament and how it was far closer to the Duke game than the season has no effect.
Also, for fun on that note, Diamond is largely getting blamed for the Twitter shenanigans and how having a handle like All Eyes on Me shows that he deserves it and maybe Bo actually backed off cooled on him...
FIFY
Quote from: JWags85 on April 08, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
Yea, ive seen multiple posts/tweets/comments about how they averaged 12.4 fouls a game during the year and had 13 in the second half so its some sort of witchcraft. Tossing out their foul count during the tournament and how it was far closer to the Duke game than the season has no effect.
Think I've seen someone else mention this somewhere on Scoop before. Wisconsin had 18 fouls against UNC and 21 fouls against Arizona. Where was all the rage then? Those are way over their averages.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 08, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
Yea, ive seen multiple posts/tweets/comments about how they averaged 12.4 fouls a game during the year and had 13 in the second half so its some sort of witchcraft.
If you go with that theory, it also means that the refs were laying off of them in the first half.
Apparently those people aren't aware of the concept of regression to the mean.
Fouls, conspiracies, collusion... come on. We are all missing the bigger and more important point. Wisconsin lost and that will never change. Let's all continue to celebrate.
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Quote from: warriorchick on April 08, 2015, 01:55:46 PM
If you go with that theory, it also means that the refs were laying off of them in the first half.
Apparently those people aren't aware of the concept of regression to the mean.
Right.
And the total foul count was 15-13. UW had 2 more fouls call on them than Duke.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 08, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
I love how we're led to believe that one out of bounds play when Wisconsin was already trailing by 5 was somehow more of a turning point than the Allen/Jones led run that led to the 14-point swing that gave Duke that lead in the first place.
So I called up myself that lives in the parallel dimension where the replay monitor did show the OOB play and rightfully awarded the ball to Wisconsin. Apparently, Duke stole the ball on the in-bounds play, went down and shot a 3 any way. Amazingly, the remainder of the game played out almost exactly the same save for about a 2 second differential.
We were... well, technically, I was... so amazed by this stunning coincidence that we called up our other self who lives in the dimension where Bo Ryan got a sex change before the season started. I won't go into details, but that game had much more hilarious consequences towards the end. Duke won that game too.
In fact, out of an infinite number of dimensions, the only dimension we could find where UW actually won is where the Germans actually won the war in Europe, strangely enough, because when the UW team that won the championship in 1941 showed up at the White House later that year (December 6th, to be exact) for their audience with the president, Roosevelt started laughing so hard at these guys that he fell out of his wheelchair, hit his head, and sustained a concussion so bad that two days later, he declared war on Hawaii. He became known as Dumb Ass Frank, roughly translated from the Germglish phrase, "Dümen Assen Frankieschpleitz," and went down as the worst president in US history, not so much due to the fact that he never regained his marbles so much as the fact that he was the
last president in US history.
Incidentally, UW's 2015 championship marked their 75th consecutive national title. Can anyone guess why?
Quote from: Benny B on April 08, 2015, 03:09:28 PM
So I called up myself that lives in the parallel dimension where the replay monitor did show the OOB play and rightfully awarded the ball to Wisconsin. Apparently, Duke stole the ball on the in-bounds play, went down and shot a 3 any way. Amazingly, the remainder of the game played out almost exactly the same save for about a 2 second differential.
We were... well, technically, I was... so amazed by this stunning coincidence that we called up our other self who lives in the dimension where Bo Ryan got a sex change before the season started. I won't go into details, but that game had much more hilarious consequences towards the end. Duke won that game too.
In fact, out of an infinite number of dimensions, the only dimension we could find where UW actually won is where the Germans actually won the war in Europe, strangely enough, because when the UW team that won the championship in 1941 showed up at the White House later that year (December 6th, to be exact) for their audience with the president, Roosevelt started laughing so hard at these guys that he fell out of his wheelchair, hit his head, and sustained a concussion so bad that two days later, he declared war on Hawaii. He became known as Dumb Ass Frank, roughly translated from the Germglish phrase, "Dümen Assen Frankieschpleitz," and went down as the worst president in US history, not so much due to the fact that he never regained his marbles so much as the fact that he was the last president in US history.
Incidentally, UW's 2015 championship marked their 75th consecutive national title. Can anyone guess why?
Slow day at work?
The play that changed the course of the game was the Hayes missed gimmie that he should have flushed but instead put it off the glass too hard.
If he makes that basket there it's probably too big of a hurdle for Duke to get over the top.
While I think the late calls went Duke's way, if Wisconsin shoots the ball at a reasonable rate they win this game going away. I thought Bo never adjusted when Duke went smaller. IMO he should have facilitated the offense through Kaminsky at the high post with Hayes down low. Never capitalized on the huge mismatches Kaminsky and Hayes had all night long.
All it would have taken was Dekker not to airball 2 threes. If he hits at anything like the clip he had all year, let alone during the tourney, it was Madison's game to lose.
Quote from: jficke13 on April 08, 2015, 03:27:50 PM
All it would have taken was Dekker not to airball 2 threes. If he hits at anything like the clip he had all year, let alone during the tourney, it was Madison's game to lose.
Or you could look at that as a regression to the mean as well. He was roughly a 30% shooter from 3 in the regular season...yet was 80% from 3 vs Zona and UK. He was 4-13 from 3 vs Oregon and UNC. Even going 0-6 against Duke, he was 7-15 in the last 3 games, way above his average from deep.
Next season, when we lose a game the refs "stole" from us, let's remember how whiny and petty and dopey Bo sounds.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2015, 05:07:04 PM
Next season, when we lose a game the refs "stole" from us, let's remember how whiny and petty and dopey Bo sounds.
I get what you're saying, but I think it's reasonable to have a different set of expectations for what a coach says on national television and what a bunch of message board dopes say online.
I would hope, though, that if Wojo were to behave as Bo has, we would be critical of him as well.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2015, 05:20:07 PM
I get what you're saying, but I think it's reasonable to have a different set of expectations for what a coach says on national television and what a bunch of message board dopes say online.
If we're going fans to fans, I don't think it's possible for us to get that bad. They've already gone down all avenues when they insult intelligence, family, toss in a little racism, and throw a few total lies and hope they stick.
I went thru the 2nd half tonight again to slow mo the WI fouls...until about the 15 min mark they still only had a total of 4 fouls(all legit and hard)- pretty amazing. Allen really changed the dimension of that game at that point; fought for an out of bounds ball(legit foul on WI), followed by two drives to the hoop and both should have been called. 3 fouls right there. Kaminsky had a mugging which was borderline flagrant, and WI had 2 fouls when they had to foul in the last minute. 10 total fouls right there.
There was a drive by Duke to the hoop where Duke got a fortunate block call(though WI wasn't really set) and drew an offensive foul right after that was borderline- good acting.
I thought the refs did a pretty decent job in this game in keeping the flow of it....certainly did not seem to favor one team. Finally, Kaminsky clearly walked on Okafor's 4th foul...he took 3 steps.
Bo was getting crushed on the sports radio driving home today. Really thought after a few days and in a place like L.A. it would be dead, but they were just hammering him as classless, whiner, etc. I wish I could have recorded it. I'm guessing it is on a PodCast which I will share.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 08, 2015, 10:54:31 PM
Bo was getting crushed on the sports radio driving home today. Really thought after a few days and in a place like L.A. it would be dead, but they were just hammering him as classless, whiner, etc. I wish I could have recorded it. I'm guessing it is on a PodCast which I will share.
Getting slammed in SF too. Love it. No one is talking about the game, just Bo's tantrum afterwards.
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