The Big East made some nice profits on the first day winning 4 games. Hopefully the Johnies and Friars can do as well.
Would like to see as many of our Big East teams get deep into the tournament as possible . The cash units rewarded can be pretty significant and are shares throughout the league. So we still benefit.
Anyone know how much shares are worth and what the distribution is in the current BE (even / weighted to winning schools)?
Yeah, I feel like DePaul wanting to know how much we can leech :D
Quote from: chapman on March 20, 2015, 07:14:36 AM
Anyone know how much shares are worth and what the distribution is in the current BE (even / weighted to winning schools)?
Yeah, I feel like DePaul wanting to know how much we can leech :D
Each credit is currently worth about $255k this year. But as it pays out to the conference for six years, that ups the long term value to $1.53M. It will actually be more because credit values go up each year. Right now yesterday's 4 wins alone were worth over $6M for the next six years.
I believe we divide those equally and have a guaranteed 10 shares from this tournament. That's about $2.5M per year and $15M total value (not including share value escalation). So keep winning, Big East!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2014/03/20/how-a-single-ncaa-tournament-win-is-worth-1-6-million/
As I said in another thread - Go Nova, et al!
Exploitation of student athletes continues..
The Big East was a HUGE winner yesterday. In addition to the fact that each of the four teams won, each victory was by an average of 19.5 points. In a day where there were 5 games decided by one point, that is a massively telling statistic. The Big 12 had all three teams lose yesterday, and the state of Texas is already out. ESPN, which has been clearly against the Big East since they lost the contract to Fox Sports, predicted that the Big East would only win one of the opening round games (Villanova) - looking at you Lunardi and Gottleib. It looks like a distinct possibility that the conference will be sending multiple teams into the Sweet 16.
Another haha moment was the fact that SMU lost to UCLA, a team that basically stole Temple's spot in the tournament, on a very controversial call. It was a big loss yesterday for the AAC, and all the directional schools that try and diminish what the Big East is all about.
Excellent day. Looking forward to today.
Best part is while I don't think St. John's even wins today..the other 5 have legit shots at sweet 16.
Nova and X look real good.
Gtown is a toss up.
Prov and butler will have tough games(2 for prov still) but certainly do able.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 20, 2015, 09:45:35 AM
Best part is while I don't think St. John's even wins today..the other 5 have legit shots at sweet 16.
Nova and X look real good.
Gtown is a toss up.
Prov and butler will have tough games(2 for prov still) but certainly do able.
Overall, I think it's looking pretty good for BE. I'm hoping the crazy cheering for the Big East in March only has to last for a couple more years after some significant success and then I can go back to some hating on conference rivals, which I find very enjoyable.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 20, 2015, 09:40:03 AM
The Big East was a HUGE winner yesterday. In addition to the fact that each of the four teams won, each victory was by an average of 19.5 points. In a day where there were 5 games decided by one point, that is a massively telling statistic.
+10 GW, that's exactly what I was going to post here, but you stole my thunder - ;)
Really impressive opening day for the conference yesterday, GREAT to see that.
I do think Providence is going to rather easily take care of Dayton. I'm not as confident in St. John's, but to show how wrong I can be with picking NCAA games, I really thought Eastern Washington would give Georgetown more of a tussle, and maybe even win that one.
6 for 6 baby!!
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 20, 2015, 09:45:35 AMProv and butler will have tough games(2 for prov still) but certainly do able.
I picked Notre Dame, but now think Butler will beat them. Butler is a lot like the Northeastern team that pushed ND to the brink, but they defend and rebound better. The Irish were destroyed on the boards. Butler is great on the glass.
Quote from: LAZER on March 20, 2015, 09:54:45 AM
Overall, I think it's looking pretty good for BE. I'm hoping the crazy cheering for the Big East in March only has to last for a couple more years after some significant success and then I can go back to some hating on conference rivals, which I find very enjoyable.
Definitely hope we start getting back in the mix but come tourney time I always like to see the conference to do well. Obviously when we are in, that's all that truly matters. But if Gtown wants to join us in final 4 they can!!
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 20, 2015, 04:36:01 PM
I picked Notre Dame, but now think Butler will beat them. Butler is a lot like the Northeastern team that pushed ND to the brink, but they defend and rebound better. The Irish were destroyed on the boards. Butler is great on the glass.
Butler is almost always a tough team to play because of how they play. With great rebounding like you said and physical gritty play it just allows them to hang around or blow you out if you are too soft to respond.
I think they have a real shot vs ND.
Big East 4-2 in first round games. If the Big East can get multiple teams to the Sweet 16, that would make the conference look really good. Hope Nova gets to the finals.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 20, 2015, 04:43:09 PM
Butler is almost always a tough team to play because of how they play. With great rebounding like you said and physical gritty play it just allows them to hang around or blow you out if you are too soft to respond.
I think they have a real shot vs ND.
This ND team, like ISU, is the type of team that often gets upset early. I should have thought that before I picked Marquette West to the Final Four ;D. Teams with a great offense but poor defensive efficiency usually seem to go out early. Marquette in 2003 was a rare exception to that.
WTF Providence?! 42 pts against an undermanned, undersized Dayton team who had to win a close game on their home floor to even get to play last night? They take 'Nova right to the wire and should have been in OT that night, and then turn in a giant turd against Dayton.
Admittedly, I didn't see last night's game, but that seems to be on Cooley and his staff.
I don't see him sustaining much success there, maybe popping up once in a while. But he had two great players this year, and this is how it ends.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 21, 2015, 08:49:43 AM
WTF Providence?! 42 pts against an undermanned, undersized Dayton team who had to win a close game on their home floor to even get to play last night? They take 'Nova right to the wire and should have been in OT that night, and then turn in a giant turd against Dayton.
Admittedly, I didn't see last night's game, but that seems to be on Cooley and his staff.
I don't see him sustaining much success there, maybe popping up once in a while. But he had two great players this year, and this is how it ends.
The flagrant 1 on Dunn early changed the game ... it was an unfortunate call, really messed up PC. He then got a ticky-tack second foul and went to the bench They turned it over on something like 7 of the next 8 possessions after Dunn left --never got into a groove
Big BIG $$ for the Big East
http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/ncaa-money/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/ncaa-money/)
While the home crowd for Dayton and uneven reffing didn't help the Friars, they did stink it up. Henton and Dunn were a combined 11/39 from the field. But that 30-7 free throw edge for Dayton was pretty bad, and the technical on Cooley was an absolute joke.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2015, 09:01:22 AM
While the home crowd for Dayton and uneven reffing didn't help the Friars, they did stink it up. Henton and Dunn were a combined 11/39 from the field. But that 30-7 free throw edge for Dayton was pretty bad, and the technical on Cooley was an absolute joke.
yup ... PC was awful
Quote from: NYWarrior on March 21, 2015, 08:59:23 AM
The flagrant 1 on Dunn early changed the game ... it was an unfortunate call, really messed up PC. He then got a ticky-tack second foul and went to the bench They turned it over on something like 7 of the next 8 possessions after Dunn left --never got into a groove
Oh, thanks for the insight. Yeah, can see how that could have a huge impact on the outcome.
But still, I don't know. That happening shouldn't have been a death sentence for last night. Coaches all the time have to overcome a star player (and they had one other besides Dunn) in early foul trouble. Stuff like the above happens in games all the time. I still would have expected Providence to be talented enough to rise above it. Dayton looked like a very weak team on Tuesday, and they were playing on their home court against another very ordinary looking Boise St. team.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 21, 2015, 08:49:43 AM
WTF Providence?! 42 pts against an undermanned, undersized Dayton team who had to win a close game on their home floor to even get to play last night? They take 'Nova right to the wire and should have been in OT that night, and then turn in a giant turd against Dayton.
Admittedly, I didn't see last night's game, but that seems to be on Cooley and his staff.
I don't see him sustaining much success there, maybe popping up once in a while. But he had two great players this year, and this is how it ends.
I saw a score late last night after consuming several alcoholic beverages that I thought was a final.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 21, 2015, 09:04:34 AM
Oh, thanks for the insight. Yeah, can see how that could have a huge impact on the outcome.
But still, I don't know. That happening shouldn't have been a death sentence for last night. Coaches all the time have to overcome a star player (and they had one other besides Dunn) in early foul trouble. Stuff like the above happens in games all the time. I still would have expected Providence to be talented enough to rise above it. Dayton looked like a very weak team on Tuesday, and they were playing on their home court against another very ordinary looking Boise St. team.
It shouldn't have been, but it definitely affected Providence for a while. When every close call goes against you, along with some just flat out blown calls, it can get in a team's head. Sometimes for the entire game, sometimes for just long enough for the flow of the remainder of the game to be dictated and too much to overcome.
It is so easy for officiating to affect a game. A couple of block/charge fouls go the other way, a couple of hand checks that are/aren't called, a big momentum changing blocked shot that is actually a foul but isn't called because the fans are so fired up..... it all adds up. Like I said elsewhere, it doesn't usually affect the outcome, but sometimes it does. Providence-Dayton was one of the games where it definitely affected flow and outcome.
Pretty sure the BE does not split it's shares evenly. In the past the BE preferentially gave larger shares to the teams that earned them. As was often said "the ACC is communism, the BE is capitalism"
It's possible they changed their revenue sharing model after the reformulation of the conference, but prior to that shares were not shared evenly.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on March 21, 2015, 02:49:52 PM
Pretty sure the BE does not split it's shares evenly. In the past the BE preferentially gave larger shares to the teams that earned them. As was often said "the ACC is communism, the BE is capitalism"
It's possible they changed their revenue sharing model after the reformulation of the conference, but prior to that shares were not shared evenly.
I would defer to anyone with superior info, but I seem to recall creds being shared evenly between the C7 schools and the three new schools would not be eligible for equal credit shares for X amount of years. I can't remember where I heard or read that.
Quote from: Eldon on March 21, 2015, 07:19:40 PM
I would defer to anyone with superior info, but I seem to recall creds being shared evenly between the C7 schools and the three new schools would not be eligible for equal credit shares for X amount of years. I can't remember where I heard or read that.
My recollection as well.
Villanova looking overdrawn right now.
Come on Nova! Gotta pull for em. Not lookin good tho
Quote from: Eldon on March 21, 2015, 07:19:40 PM
I would defer to anyone with superior info, but I seem to recall creds being shared evenly between the C7 schools and the three new schools would not be eligible for equal credit shares for X amount of years. I can't remember where I heard or read that.
The C7 each kept their own NCAA credits from the Old Big East. New Big East has an asymmetrical sharing model that gives more to the teams that win the shares and less to the ones that don't . Still good for us.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 21, 2015, 08:40:13 PM
The C7 each kept their own NCAA credits from the Old Big East. New Big East has an asymmetrical sharing model that gives more to the teams that win the shares and less to the ones that don't . Still good for us.
You sure about that?
Beast with one team left after tonite?
If you would have said Xavier would be the only BE team in sweet 16 i'd have said you're nuts. Well better than the 0 last year. Honestly pretty disappointed in league tourney play.
Not so fast. Butler let's do this.
Yay. conference pride. Yay
Quote from: breadtree on March 21, 2015, 11:28:59 PM
Yay. conference pride. Yay
Do you want me to pull up a bunch of your posts talking about conference pride on your site? I'm happy to do it hypocrite.
Quote from: Blueprint on March 21, 2015, 09:02:40 PM
Beast with one team left after tonite?
Pretty sad if true. ACC and Pac 12 getting it done
And our one team beat Ole Miss and Georgia State :o
Two years and and no eyes on the television..this is not good :-\
Big East Tanking It
Need to get back and show these teams how not to suck in the tournament
Quote from: Sylvester78 on March 21, 2015, 11:33:53 PM
And our one team beat Ole Miss and Georgia State :o
Two years and and no eyes on the television..this is not good :-\
Only one team advancing is not a good showing. Pundits proved correct, unfortunately.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2015, 11:32:03 PM
Do you want me to pull up a bunch of your posts talking about conference pride on your site? I'm happy to do it hypocrite.
Yes. Please do.
Quote from: breadtree on March 21, 2015, 11:28:59 PM
Yay. conference pride. Yay
Posting on another team's message board at 11:30 on a Saturday night. Why aren't I surprised that you don't seem to have anything better to do?
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 21, 2015, 11:41:00 PM
Only one team advancing is not a good showing. Pundits proved correct, unfortunately.
Agree completely, and I said when a few were crowing about getting 6 teams in the dance, they better do something with it. And they didn't.
I will say this though, this tournament is so much predicated on matchups and draws. I know I'm by no means the first to say that, but it's an understated truth. What does it say based on regular season results that Xavier, the one that was .500 in conference play, is the lone Big East team standing? Not to make excuses for Villanova, but they played like a #1 seed with all the pressures that carries. They looked very tight last night, start to finish.How many games out of a 100 are they going to shoot that poorly as a team? Very few, and NC State played like a team with nothing to lose.
All the craziness of this tournament, which of course is the beauty of it too and why it brings casual and non- college basketball fans in this time of year.
Oh well, not the end of the world. It's only year two of the reconfigured league.
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ACC teams have already earned $28 million from this year's tournament http://es.pn/1EJnxJp
Quote from: breadtree on March 21, 2015, 11:28:59 PM
Yay. conference pride. Yay
It's not just about pride. It's about $$$.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 23, 2015, 10:40:34 AM
It's not just about pride. It's about $$$.
And recruiting.
Hey kid, how would you like to play against the likes of UConn, Syracuse, and Louisville?
Yeah, and everyone thought Bumstead was nuts for boltin' a mid-major like MU, ai na?
Only consolation is that the Big 12 crapped the bed too. Granted they have 2 instead of 1 team in the Sweet Sixteen but they wildly underperformed as well. ACC is looking like the BMOC