I wondered if this might happen. Henry + Luke = Teve coming off the bench as a senior
I don't get it. Was set to play a key role on next year's team.
I don't get it. Was set to play a key role on next year's team.
I wondered if this might happen. Henry + Luke = Teve coming off the bench as a senior
Ummm...what? This makes no sense at all, especially with a huge role to play next year at the 3/4. If anything those were minutes for him to lose.
Weird, I never got that vibe from him this year. Now that its official I can say that he was transferring if Buzz stayed. After we hired Wojo I asked him again and he said he didnt know and he will see how it plays out. Seemed happy all year so its kind of surprising to me.
Concur. He was history if Buzz had stayed. This surprises me greatly today however.
Look. I'll admit to a bit of frustration here. There isn't a better kid than Steve Taylor Jr. Wojo absolutely better have this little challenge solved via a player not currently on the roster who can immediately step in and contribute on DAY #1 because Henry and Luke aren't logging 40 minutes next year. Wojo got plenty of slack this past season. But I expect a quality product from him next year. Freakin' get to it coach.
Transfers aplenty under Crean. Transfers aplenty under Buzz. Transfers aplenty under Wojo so far. The coaches aren't the issue. The nature of the modern collegiate athlete is.
Ummm...what? This makes no sense at all, especially with a huge role to play next year at the 3/4. If anything those were minutes for him to lose.
Transfers aplenty under Crean. Transfers aplenty under Buzz. Transfers aplenty under Wojo so far. The coaches aren't the issue. The nature of the modern collegiate athlete is.
Steve gone too... Wow.too? Did I miss someone else or are you referring to Deonte and JD?
Some programs avoid it...Wisconsin-madison is one.
Some programs avoid it...Wisconsin-madison is one.
Jarrod Uthoff.
George Marshall.
Wow. You pull out two names. MU has more than that in a single year.
George Marshall.
If you are going to start over might as well have no seniors, this will be a 2 year rebuilding program, lots of scholarships to give out the next few years. Really needs to sign one more for next
year, like 11, good number to work with.
You really are a Badger fan, aren't you?
Look I don't give two fu**s about the Badgers. Lived in Wisconsin for the four years I went to Marquette. I don't care what they do, and I respect them as a program.
But to say they "avoid transfers" is wrong.
No I'm not. But I'm also not blind to their great program. 17 tournaments in a row...2 Final Fours (with a 3rd likely this year). If that was MU's resume, we'd all be insanely overjoyed. You can stick you head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge their accomplishments, but you look like a moron. They are clearly a superior program, and I'm adult enough to admit it.
11 becomes 7 or 8 way too quickly. 13 is better. Though if it involves 8 freshmen, maybe not. Don't want to pull a Norm Roberts.
No I'm not. But I'm also not blind to their great program. 17 tournaments in a row...2 Final Fours (with a 3rd likely this year). If that was MU's resume, we'd all be insanely overjoyed. You can stick you head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge their accomplishments, but you look like a moron. They are clearly a superior program, and I'm adult enough to admit it.
Nobody's ignoring their accomplishments.
But let's at least not further some of the silly narratives that surround Wisconsin basketball like:
- Bo Ryan is saintly, fatherly figure (Jared Uthoff might beg to differ)
- Their players never transfer (at least six in the last decade)
- They recruit only great students of high character (Diamond Taylor? Boo Wade? Marcettaeus McGee?)
- They do things "the right way" (Three "major" NCAA violations at UW to MU's zero)
sad to see Steve leave. he was playing way better at the end of the year. This does not make a lot of sense, but he made the decision.
Soon some questions need to be asked, the way we have been going through players. I know, there are those who will now say, "This opens it up for somebody better", even though we don't know that. And of course there is the old fallback: "The average number of transfers is 2.5 per team." Question that source. Just saw that there were over 400 D1 transfers this year, and what are there--about 350 schools? Not 2.5 transfers per team.
Sure hoping that Wojo does not become a Buzz in this area.
Not sure why it matters but from what i know Bo has had 5 scholarship players transfer in 14 years. Uthoff, Williams, Taylor (actually kicked off team), Marshall, and Markolf. Glover was a walk on who got kicked off the the team for the second incident as Taylor. So the Badgers have had 4-5 guys transfer in 14 years.I'd guess they bough their big red UW sweet shirt at Walmart and have no other affiliation with the University?
And can someone enlighten me as to what a Wal-Mart Badger fan is?
I'd guess they bough their big red UW sweet shirt at Walmart and have no other affiliation with the University?
Upon reflection, I can't help but think that this means that Wojo has a graduate transfer versatile 3/4/5 planning on coming and that Steve found out.
I'd guess they bough their big red UW sweet shirt at Walmart and have no other affiliation with the University?
Not sure why it matters but from what i know Bo has had 5 scholarship players transfer in 14 years. Uthoff, Williams, Taylor (actually kicked off team), Marshall, and Markolf. Glover was a walk on who got kicked off the the team for the second incident as Taylor. So the Badgers have had 4-5 guys transfer in 14 years.
And can someone enlighten me as to what a Wal-Mart Badger fan is?
I'm with you on this. Even with Henry coming in, I still think Taylor was going to get solid minutes.
Upon reflection, I can't help but think that this means that Wojo has a graduate transfer versatile 3/4/5 planning on coming and that Steve found out.
I don't get it. Was set to play a key role on next year's team.
Concur. He was history if Buzz had stayed. This surprises me greatly today however.
Look. I'll admit to a bit of frustration here. There isn't a better kid than Steve Taylor Jr. Wojo absolutely better have this little challenge solved via a player not currently on the roster who can immediately step in and contribute on DAY #1 because Henry and Luke aren't logging 40 minutes next year. Wojo got plenty of slack this past season. But I expect a quality product from him next year. Freakin' get to it coach.
Some programs avoid it...Wisconsin-madison is one.
Wow. You're one of the last posters I would have seen filling the Ners gap.
Where have I said anything about MU being a better program right now or refusing to acknowledge UW's accomplishments? Nowhere is the answer...because I don't give a fu**! Wisconsin basketball is irrelevant to me except for the day they play MU. Do I root for them...hell no! I grew up in MN as a Gopher fan and I went to MU, but don't just throw me in a boat with the other badger-haters because I called out Chicos for saying Wisconsin has no transfers, which is false.
Now go back to the Badger board!
DeAaron Williams
Ian Markolf
Diamond Taylor
Jeremy Glover
Wow. You're one of the last posters I would have seen filling the Ners gap.
He was the definition of a role player.He was a role player without an identifiable role. I liked him personally, but come on. It's actually possible Wally Ellenson has been abusing him in practice, too, although I have no knowledge of this.
Never stop recruiting.
Don't see how that's Ners related. Then again we don't know what was said to Teve or what he was thinking. I can almost guarantee you I have had more personal interaction with Teve then anyone here and it took me by surprise.
That being said, it would not shock me in the slightest if we get a transfer real soon.
MEME WATCH 2015-16: FILLING THE NERS GAP
Hitting Wojo with an ultimatum less than one year into his getting the HC job just seemed like a Ners type move to me. Especially demanding new recruits on March 18th after Wojo just pulled two more players in following the Noskowiak debacle, one of whom (Carter) he pulled away from solid programs who had been pursuing him for far longer. The truth is Wojo will probably meet your Dad's insane demands. I just think that your Dad could have asked nice.
Better gone than being poison on the team.Well it has not taken long for this stuff to start, as predicted.
Jsglow is definitely not my dad. Hahaha.
Oops! Evidently, I've got to do better at keeping the characters straight.
Wow! He was the last person I thought would transfer.
I will say this positive about him transferring, no more " 'Teve" references here, geez that was stupid.
I'd guess they bough their big red UW sweet shirt at Walmart and have no other affiliation with the University?
Good kid, not a great basketball player. His production will be relatively easy to replace.
Why people flip out about transfers is beyond me.
Very sad to see Steve depart. Quality kid who worked hard through a major injury setback. I felt that only in the last few games of this year was he back to "almost normal".
If I were the new DePaul head coach this would be my first phone call, but I'm pretty sure transfers within Big East are restricted.
Anyway, good luck Steve, and hope you average 10 and 10 wherever you land!
If I were the new DePaul head coach this would be my first phone call,
Has to sit two years to transfer to another Big East school.
That three years of a roster spot for 1 year on the team.
No way DePaul does that, or Steve.
I think you guys are taking my comments too far. I'm thrilled with the job Wojo has done so far and had zero expectations for this season. But Steve could have been expected to play an important role next year and is the finest kid you will ever meet. Very few players transfer before their Senior year. So if Wojo doesn't have a credible replacement by the time Fall roles around then this will squarely be on his shoulders.
And all this talk about a multi year rebuilding is simply an excuse. I'm certainly not expecting the world next year but another sub 500 season and Wojo's job will be on the line. That's all I'm saying. That doesn't make me Ners.
Now I want to talk about Derrick vs. Dawson again. ;D
So if Wojo doesn't have a credible replacement by the time Fall roles around then this will squarely be on his shoulders.
Good kid, not a great basketball player. His production will be relatively easy to replace.Nailed it.
Why people flip out about transfers is beyond me.
What exactly is that supposed to mean, it will be squarely on his shoulders? Why is Taylor leaving? Did he leave because of Wojo? Expected playing time? Something else? Oh that's right, you don't know. Should Wojo and Taylor work together to see that he gets playing time he may not be worthy of? Should they ignore whatever his reasons for leaving in order to keep him on the team? Did Steve choose to play for Wojo when he selected MU? Is it really Wojo's fault if one or both of them don't see him as a fit here? Just an odd comment on your part. Believe it or not, the players have a say and play a major role in these decisions.
Sorry to hear about Steve's move. Sounds like he is a really nice kid and, hopefully, a good student. Would think he'd get more mileage out of a degree from Marquette than where ever he may land at this time in place.
Honestly, though, never really impressed me while on the floor during his tenure here. Not what I would expect from a Simeon High School kid at a high major school. Has size but was woefully inept around the basket, not really athletic for a big guy or fluid and a disappointment for me as a junior who should have contributed far more this year.
Neither he or Luke would have gotten much floor time on a team with any decent bigs this year, truthfully. They have the "numbers' but haven't displayed the ability to compete vs. average competition at this level or at a level necessary to be competitive in the Big East.
Wouldn't have pulled his scholly. though, either. He was invited to come here and I would have hoped we stuck with him for his final year if he intended on staying...... Just sayin'
If I have been paying attention...
ChiTownJuan is friends with JSGlow & Warrior Chick's Love Child. ChiTownJuan is NOT their Love Child.
To date I don't know if we have an outed Father / Son combo on the board.
Jsglow is definitely not my dad. Hahaha.
What exactly is that supposed to mean, it will be squarely on his shoulders? Why is Taylor leaving? Did he leave because of Wojo? Expected playing time? Something else? Oh that's right, you don't know. Should Wojo and Taylor work together to see that he gets playing time he may not be worthy of? Should they ignore whatever his reasons for leaving in order to keep him on the team? Did Steve choose to play for Wojo when he selected MU? Is it really Wojo's fault if one or both of them don't see him as a fit here? Just an odd comment on your part. Believe it or not, the players have a say and play a major role in these decisions.
Oh, so its a "The Talented Mr. Ripley" type situation. Why doesn't jsglowjr post anymore? ChiTownJuan what have you done with him????
I do think Wojo could weather another losing season, as long as it was better than this, but with the recruiting class he has coming in and two solid foundation pieces in Duane and Luke, next year I agree that we really do need to be more competitive. The NIT should be the lowest bar for next year's team. If Wojo can't replace Steve and we are even worse on the boards in 2015-16, then I'm sure jsglow won't be alone in wondering about the direction of the program.
I'm optimistic. I think the staff may already have Steve's replacement lined up and think the team will be notably better next year. But that's my nature. I'm the guy that looks for the best. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be bracing for the worst and be willing to be honest about where things are at. With Steve gone, things are not as good today as they were yesterday.
I think you and I are speaking the same language. Let me add that I don't think Wojo would be fired 365 days from now if we went 15-17 next year. But he'd certainly be squarely on the 'hot seat' for the following.
If I have been paying attention...
ChiTownJuan is friends with JSGlow & Warrior Chick's Love Child. ChiTownJuan is NOT their Love Child.
To date I don't know if we have an outed Father / Son combo on the board.
I think you and I are speaking the same language. Let me add that I don't think Wojo would be fired 365 days from now if we went 15-17 next year. But he'd certainly be squarely on the 'hot seat' for the following.
I think you and I are speaking the same language. Let me add that I don't think Wojo would be fired 365 days from now if we went 15-17 next year. But he'd certainly be squarely on the 'hot seat' for the following.
But we all seem to agree that his decision to leave is curious at a minimum. I'm simply saying that Wojo now has an obligation to do something about it. Or, said another way, it's 'on his shoulders'. Hope that clarifies.
, it looks to start with who will fill Steve's expected role.
You may want to look through this thread again, as I don't think there is agreement on that at all. Me thinks you are projecting your own opinion and convincing yourself it is the consensus.
Of course a complete roster is Wojo's responsibility, but to suggest that he should be able to complete that in a year is a bit ridiculous, given the train wreck he inherited. If they are short a 6-10 guy next year because Steve Taylor, who was not likely to contribute much, decided to transfer, for whatever reasons, I am going to have a hard time arguing that the coach should have been able to do something about that when in his first real class he has brought in a 5-star, and four 4-star players.
The hand wringing over Steve Taylor is a bit strange. There's really two alternatives...either he convinced him to stay and likley ride the bench, or here fruits somebody better. One could argue he has already done that, but if you think he still needs to do more, that's fine, but I would suggest expecting that in he first 12-18 months is probably not realistic or fair. Does he really need to go out and get another highly rated recruit (and a 6-10 one at that) to come in and immediately contribute next year in order to satisfy you/take this off of his shoulders? Granted, I hope he does it, but your expectations may be a little out of whack for just how much he should be able to accomplish in a year.
What role, and expected by whom? The kid just isn't anything special. If they have trouble filling 10 minutes off the bench, then yes, there may be a problem, because that is what I would have expected of him next year (at the moment anyway). If he was to be depended on for much more than that, they weren't going to be any good anyway.
Steve wasn't going to be playing 10 minutes next year.
Why did Gabe Levin leave?
What role, and expected by whom? The kid just isn't anything special. If they have trouble filling 10 minutes off the bench, then yes, there may be a problem, because that is what I would have expected of him next year (at the moment anyway). If he was to be depended on for much more than that, they weren't going to be any good anyway.
Maybe Steve "just isn't anything special" but with Duane, Luke, and hopefully Henry providing offense, we don't need special, we need someone who will go and get the damn ball.
Really? Why did he leave (I'll need specifics)?
80 minutes between the 4 and 5 positions. And this assumes that Henry plays zero at the #3.
30 minutes is a huge amount of time for a big man and a Frosh so let's peg Luke and Henry at a combined 55. Fair?
So unless Heldt takes Steve's minutes those still need to be filled by a quality D1 6'7" player if we're going to have any chance to improve. Right now I don't see that on the roster.
So sure. Perhaps that's a role Steve didn't want and he decided to leave simply because of that. So I guess we need somebody who values that opportunity and it's Wojo's job to find that guy. Thanks for the conversation.
Probably 10 to Heldt as well
Then why is he leaving? Nobody can seem to answer that question, because of course nobody knows, yet some are more than happy to assume that Wojo either ran him off or didn't do enough to keep him, even though base that opinion largely on the (in my mind and many others) faulty premis that he was going to be a significant contributor next year.
Haven't talked to him so I can't say. The move is pretty surprising even for some people normally close to the program. Maybe Wojo ran him off, saying he would recruit over him this offseason. Maybe Steve didn't think he would have a major role. I don't know.
What I do know is we desperately need a rebounder and the only guy slated to be on the roster that has proven he can do that (though admittedly inconsistently) was Steve Taylor. It's not panic time, I'm not overly worried, but I do feel this is a need that has to be addressed if we want to compete for a bid next year. My sincere hope is that Steve is leaving because he had the sense he wasn't going to be that guy and the staff already has identified who that guy will be. If so, no worries. But if we go into next season without anyone who can hit the glass hard and end up with similar results, that's a concern.
So unless Heldt takes Steve's minutes those still need to be filled by a quality D1 6'7" player if we're going to have any chance to improve. Right now I don't see that on the roster.
Let me ask one more time, if he was slated as a solid 20-30 minute contributor as you believe, why did he leave? That's really what it comes down to...
I personally don't think we won yesterday when our lone Senior decided that his future was better served by being somewhere else. I'm not suggesting there's something rotten to the core with the program but this does concern me a bit.
What is squarely on Wojo shoulders is the responsibility to put a credible product on the floor next year. To the extent he has noticeable roster gaps, that's his responsibility. Let me try to provide an analogy. If Taylor's departure means that an ill prepared Matt Heldt is forced to play 25 minutes (mind you, I'm not picking on Matt), then Wojo must take responsibility for that. Last year, of course not.
I'm not suggesting in any way that Wojo drove Steve off the team. But we all seem to agree that his decision to leave is curious at a minimum. I'm simply saying that Wojo now has an obligation to do something about it. Or, said another way, it's 'on his shoulders'. Hope that clarifies.
I find it interesting that some here are sensing that I'm switching to the 'dark side' or whatever. The 2014-15 season is over. I expect Marquette basketball to begin a return toward prominence beginning immediately. To borrow coach's phrase, win every day. I personally don't think we won yesterday when our lone Senior decided that his future was better served by being somewhere else. I'm not suggesting there's something rotten to the core with the program but this does concern me a bit.
Very few players transfer before their Senior year. So if Wojo doesn't have a credible replacement by the time Fall roles around then this will squarely be on his shoulders.
And all this talk about a multi year rebuilding is simply an excuse. I'm certainly not expecting the world next year but another sub 500 season and Wojo's job will be on the line. That's all I'm saying. That doesn't make me Ners.
One more thing, where Wojo to go find a 6-8 guy who can immediately contribute 20 quality minutes next year, in addition to the guys already signed, he would likley have a recruiting class ranked in the top 3 or so, after only 1 year on the job. Is that really the standard around here now? He only gets a year to Finish a complete rebuild?
I spoke to someone about a week ago who knows several of the players. They said that there is a good chance that one of the current scholarship players will not be on the team next year. When I asked if it was JjJ (the obvious guess) they said no. They didn't want to disclose the name but they said that "Its good for the player but its bad for Marquette basketball". That made me think of an angle I'm not sure if many of considered. Could Wally decide that its too much to train for High Jump and play Basketball and decide to drop hoops?
Here's a question I've been pondering. Does Steve fit this definition?
I hadn't seen this. That's quite funny Lens. (In my best Darth voice) Chitown, I am NOT your father. But I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Did Warriorchick boot you out? :o
Completely agree with you Brew, but i think next year rebounding will only be 1 of a handful of problems. The others...
1 . No senior leadership
2. Two best players (Luke and Duane) are injured. Luke will have surgery.
2B. - Hard to bulk up when you first need to recover from said injuries.
3. Next years roster is pretty sparse in terms of actual college basketball experience. who do we have?.. Duane, Luke, JJJ, Sandy (kinda). Not sure what kind of minutes Wally saw at Minnesota, but i don't think it was all that great.
4. Currently 3 open scholarships....Hard for wojo to pull another rabbit out of the hat like he did with Carter this late in the game.
5. Wojo is still a very young coach. We saw some growing pains this year, and they will continue next year.
Agree with these - although I would issue a caveat about #5.
There may have been growing pains - but how do we know? He inherited a short, one-dimensional roster that had no chance.
Derrick - one-dimensional player
JJJ - one-dimensional player
Juan - one-dimensional player
Deonte - one-dimensional player
Dawson - no-dimensional player.
He was left with a pile of crap - Bobby Knight would have finished in last place with this team.
Steve was going to be a nice back-up next year, and maybe a leader. But I guess not. Not sure who is going to give him 2 year scholarship for one year of playing. It makes no sense. Now
Wojo needs a big upfront a wing and a point. I would take a regular transfer now, a juco and a grad transfer. Just do not take a body.
I appreciate Steve's contributions, but he won't be missed on the court. He was just another replacement level player at best.
Now Wojo start over basically with a whole new team next year. We will see the learning experience we expected this year begin with next years team. In two years, we will be competing for the Dance.
I wonder if there's already something up Wojo's sleeve along the lines that Brew indicated. This would make a great deal of sense if back channel conversations have indicated that a 'better Steve' is already on the way and that Steve truly would have been relegated to end of bench status. I believe Wojo would have respected Steve enough to tell him and then if his decision was to pursue new opportunities to allow Steve to do that on his terms before any replacement was announced. I guess we'll find out.
I find it interesting that some here are sensing that I'm switching to the 'dark side' or whatever.
Last spring Wojo convinced all our players to stay. Over the summer Mayo decided it was better for him to go pro. By Christmas Deonte and John knew things were not working out as well and decided to transfer midseason. Now, Steve has decided to leave. Churn happens whenever there is a management change be it corporate or college basketball. People leave for a myriad of reasons: better fit, opportunity to take on more responsibility, job skills don't match new management expectations or just not happy where you are. It happens. We should be concerned if it continues to happen as Wojo builds his own team, but not until then. If Wojo continues to recruit well we will be back on the winning track as we all want. As for next season my expectations are just to see some improvement over this last year. Two returnees are having surgery so we will just have to wait and see how they respond and half our team will be freshman. I think it"s a lot to expect a tournament team next season, but if they are I'll take my cake and eat too.
I appreciate Steve's contributions, but he won't be missed on the court. He was just another replacement level player at best.
Two years and Wojo is on the "Hot seat"........Come on your better than that.
+10000
Unreal, some of the stuff being said. Nobody would have won with this year's team, and he has a great class coming in.
Respect the process, as scoop likes to say.
I'll comment on this one last time. If next year resembles this year (let's just say 14-18 for grins), season tickets the following year might very well drop below 10,000. Yes, Wojo would be on the hot seat during the '16-17 season. I'm not in any way predicting this but it is the reality of big time college athletics. Personally I think we'll be a solid threat for post season play next year although on the face of it Steve's departure yesterday was a setback and I think we're most likely heading in the right direction.
I'll comment on this one last time.
Yes and no.
While I agree you can find similar production out of a transfer or a JUCO player, part of what makes a good program is the culture defined by the coaches and really developed and enforced by the players.
The upperclassman, even role-players, are a key part of a winning program. Not every school can be like UK and just add a bunch of new players and expect it to work.
I don't blame Wojo for the transfers (it happens when a new coach comes in), but I also won't subscribe to the idea that role players can simply be plugged in and out (ie "replacement level"). I can't think of many schools that have had long term success with that approach.
I think you and I are speaking the same language. Let me add that I don't think Wojo would be fired 365 days from now if we went 15-17 next year. But he'd certainly be squarely on the 'hot seat' for the following.He is gone in 720 days.
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Hitting Wojo with an ultimatum less than one year into his getting the HC job just seemed like a Ners type move to me. Especially demanding new recruits on March 18th after Wojo just pulled two more players in following the Noskowiak debacle, one of whom (Carter) he pulled away from solid programs who had been pursuing him for far longer. The truth is Wojo will probably meet your Dad's insane demands. I just think that your Dad could have asked nice.
He is gone in 720 days.Yeah? To…..?
If they are short a 6-10 guy next year because Steve Taylor, who was not likely to contribute much, decided to transfer, for whatever reasons, I am going to have a hard time arguing that the coach should have been able to do something about that when in his first real class he has brought in a 5-star, and four 4-star players.
The hand wringing over Steve Taylor is a bit strange. There's really two alternatives...either he convinced him to stay and likley ride the bench, or here fruits somebody better. One could argue he has already done that, but if you think he still needs to do more, that's fine, but I would suggest expecting that in he first 12-18 months is probably not realistic or fair. Does he really need to go out and get another highly rated recruit (and a 6-10 one at that) to come in and immediately contribute next year in order to satisfy you/take this off of his shoulders? Granted, I hope he does it, but your expectations may be a little out of whack for just how much he should be able to accomplish in a year.
Then why is he leaving? Nobody can seem to answer that question, because of course nobody knows, yet some are more than happy to assume that Wojo either ran him off or didn't do enough to keep him, even though base that opinion largely on the (in my mind and many others) faulty premis that he was going to be a significant contributor next year.
No one is saying Wojo should be gone if the team doesn't produce next season. Only that if we go 2 years and have consecutive losing seasons to show for it, that seat may start getting warm.
If that's really what jsglow is saying then maybe he's not quite the fan he says he is. I believe the phrase was "respect the process," right? To go from the zero that the redneck left to a team that can seriously contend may very well take longer than a year. It's a shame that people can't accept that.
It's more complicated than you're making it out to be. Had Buzz stayed so would have his incoming class (Hill, Shayok, Pierce) as well as Mayo, Dawson and Burton with likely departures from Taylor and Johnson.
If roster turnover is common when coaches leave, then Buzz didn't do anything uncommon. Had he stayed we'd likely have had a team comprised of Derrick, Juan, Mayo, Duane, Luke, Burton, Dawson, Cohen, Hill, Shayok and Pierce. That team would've been significantly better than this year's team.
I think Dawson was out the door if Buzz didn't run out of town
I'm not defending Buzz, simply stating that nobody should be surprised by the amount of instability with the roster because it is completely normal when a coach leaves a program.
It's more complicated than you're making it out to be. Had Buzz stayed so would have his incoming class (Hill, Shayok, Pierce) as well as Mayo, Dawson and Burton with likely departures from Taylor and Johnson.
If roster turnover is common when coaches leave, then Buzz didn't do anything uncommon. Had he stayed we'd likely have had a team comprised of Derrick, Juan, Mayo, Duane, Luke, Burton, Dawson, Cohen, Hill, Shayok and Pierce. That team would've been significantly better than this year's team.
I'm not defending Buzz, simply stating that nobody should be surprised by the amount of instability with the roster because it is completely normal when a coach leaves a program.
Has anyone heard any rumblings on where Steve might land? Could this be a repeat of Juan Anderson if Steve realizes schools aren't falling all over themselves to take him at one year for the price of two?