For starters: playing zone defense.
Never stop recruiting.
Toto, we're not at Duke anymore.
Creating the culture you want takes time.
Even if you think you have the best plan, not everybody is going to buy in.
The Big East is a big boy league.
The refs don't respect first year coaches with losing records.
Get more players.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Never stop learning.
Need good players to win.
Quote from: tower912 on March 12, 2015, 08:05:27 PM
Never stop recruiting.
Toto, we're not at Duke anymore.
Creating the culture you want takes time 5 years.
Even if you think you have the best plan, not everybody is going to buy in.
The Big East is a big boy league.
The refs don't respect first year coaches with losing records.
Get more players.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Never stop learning.
as always, you're spot on. However one little 'FIFY' above.
They don't pay ya for nothin', hey?
dont offer scholarships to transfer or recruits with baggage. Figure it out before the offer
That some Scoopers are jagoffs.
Quote from: Hold the Ellenson on March 12, 2015, 08:29:43 PM
dont offer scholarships to transfer or recruits with baggage. Figure it out before the offer
????
The big east is the most physical league in the nation.
Those whole "championships are won here" posters in the weight room have some merit
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 12, 2015, 08:34:57 PM
????
Levin, Nick (in retrospect...I don't think his situation was predictable)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 12, 2015, 09:05:53 PM
Levin, Nick (in retrospect...I don't think his situation was predictable)
Hardly consider Levin baggage and NN was committed before Wojo arrived. Interesting comment.
How to play mindgames.
Never follow a Buzz Williams or K Sampson program
If Wojo can bench press more than 80% of team, get on the recruiting trail asap ✅
High school player ratings aren't worth a cup of coffee
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 12, 2015, 09:19:25 PM
Hardly consider Levin baggage and NN was committed before Wojo arrived. Interesting comment.
See here for Levin...http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46656.msg703645#msg703645
A few things that he learned this year:
Losing sucks.
Losing sucks.
Losing big is embarrassing.
His MU b-ball program needs to get better on defense.
Wojo learned:
1) The best fans in the world post on Scoop.
2) Cleaning up after a nuclear war -- when all your recruits sans one abandon you -- is never easy.
3) Eight scholarship basketball players on your team is a recipe for disaster.
4) You are only as good as the next class you recruit.
5) Marquette fans are still living in 1977.
Not to read scoop after losses........
++ Consult former prep basketball players before making any decision.
++ Never bench a guy just for dogging it at practice.
++ Dole out playing time based upon high school ranking.
++ If you're gonna throw a player under the bus, make sure his name is Derrick Wilson.
++ If you ever want to make the Final Four, bring Magic Dawson back pronto.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 12, 2015, 09:19:25 PM
Hardly consider Levin baggage and NN was committed before Wojo arrived. Interesting comment.
Levin transferred from another school and then transfer from MU. Wojo definitely missed something on this one.
Quote from: bilsu on March 12, 2015, 10:17:49 PM
Levin transferred from another school and then transfer from MU. Wojo definitely missed something on this one.
He took a flier on a guy who appeared worthy of it, and didn't work our. So what?
If he did his homework he wouldn't have taken a flyer on him. I think he's realizing he needs to be selective despite a rebuild in progress. He wasted time and effort on Levin and Nick that IMO could have been avoided. He's learning. It's my honest answer to the question asked
To get to the Big Dance, you need to
Win Every Day
I hope that the one thing he learned is that he has the skills, the capability, the support and the team around him to quickly turn MU into a successful program.
Learn listen be smarter than your own ideas ..... Throw away your cookie cutter! Season could've been a whole lot better with the personnel you had in the beginning communicate better with your new family .... It took coach k a while to get where he is and in the beginning the duke faithful wanted him fired! .... Forget what you think duke is .... You're at MARQUETTE now! .... You let 2 get away!
Quote from: dddawson on March 13, 2015, 02:46:31 AM
Learn listen be smarter than your own ideas ..... Throw away your cookie cutter! Season could've been a whole lot better with the personnel you had in the beginning communicate better with your new family .... It took coach k a while to get where he is and in the beginning the duke faithful wanted him fired! .... Forget what you think duke is .... You're at MARQUETTE now! .... You let 2 get away!
Insanity has been restored .... If this isn't TW, beers are on me tonight.
I'd say 'welcome back' but .... a) nobody would say that seriously and .... b) i don't think your stay will be long enough to warrant it....
Quote from: naginiF on March 13, 2015, 05:54:59 AM
Insanity has been restored .... If this isn't TW, beers are on me tonight.
I'd say 'welcome back' but .... a) nobody would say that seriously and .... b) i don't think your stay will be long enough to warrant it....
Look at his post history. It's Dawson's dad. He's been posting since Dawson committed.
Quote from: naginiF on March 13, 2015, 05:54:59 AM
Insanity has been restored .... If this isn't TW, beers are on me tonight.
I'd say 'welcome back' but .... a) nobody would say that seriously and .... b) i don't think your stay will be long enough to warrant it....
Beers are on you. Dawson papa.
Quote from: tower912 on March 13, 2015, 06:28:07 AM
Beers are on you. Dawson papa.
I truly am sorry that the program evokes such bad feelings and wish his son nothing but the best. All things work out in the end.
Anyone in the KC area that wants those beers can PM me (i'd prefer to pay at the Brookside Patty's Day parade tomorrow though)
Quote from: dddawson on March 13, 2015, 02:46:31 AM
Learn listen be smarter than your own ideas ..... Throw away your cookie cutter! Season could've been a whole lot better with the personnel you had in the beginning communicate better with your new family .... It took coach k a while to get where he is and in the beginning the duke faithful wanted him fired! .... Forget what you think duke is .... You're at MARQUETTE now! .... You let 2 get away!
Because posting on message boards worked out so well the last times... ::)
On a serious note...
.
- Zone is easy: Have to commend the staff for implementing it successfully so fast. It will be nice to have that in the back pocket going forward as we shift back to aggressive man-to-man.
- You can't please all the people all of the time: Most notably, Dawson and Burton. Hell, Dawson is apparently still so upset about his departure that he needs his dad to come over to Scoop to post about it. While that's likely not actually the case, that's how it looks. Very poor form for his family members to throw stones months after he left.
- Don't compromise: I do like that Wojo was willing to glue JJJ to the bench for a game despite the thin roster, and love that he got better results out of him going forward.
- Refs hate rookies: Wojo definitely didn't get the respect from refs experienced coaches get. It's okay...Buzz didn't at first either. It came in time, it will for Wojo. Most of his technicals worked out well.
- You need a backup plan: The zone worked out as a backup on defense, but it would have been nice had it been available in the second half against UNO. Not enough backup plans on offense, though. Hopefully depth will help that.
Well duh, get better players and more of them.
Quote from: dddawson on March 13, 2015, 02:46:31 AM
Learn listen be smarter than your own ideas ..... Throw away your cookie cutter! Season could've been a whole lot better with the personnel you had in the beginning communicate better with your new family .... It took coach k a while to get where he is and in the beginning the duke faithful wanted him fired! .... Forget what you think duke is .... You're at MARQUETTE now! .... You let 2 get away!
I really think it is time for everyone to move on. I wish John well, but this is really not a good look.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 13, 2015, 08:46:04 AM
I really think it is time for everyone to move on. I wish John well, but this is really not a good look.
Agreed. I'll just leave it at I hope that things work out with the new coach at Liberty.
To make it clear I'm speaking from a coaches point of view ..... Don't hate WOJO if I came from a frustrated fathers point of view it wouldn't be nice .... This is just pure uncut advice
Quote from: dddawson on March 13, 2015, 02:46:31 AM
You let 2 get away!
The fact someone would suggest that it pretty sad.
Quote from: dddawson on March 13, 2015, 09:03:59 AMTo make it clear I'm speaking from a coaches point of view ..... Don't hate WOJO if I came from a frustrated fathers point of view it wouldn't be nice .... This is just pure uncut advice
Maybe so, but that's not how it comes across. This is why I advised against posting on this board years ago and continue to do so now. Your viewpoint will never be viewed as objective, and you and nevada233 continuing to post here about Wojo makes it look like sour grapes and that you can't let go.
Whatever the case may be, it's not good form. It never was. Fan sites just aren't a good place for family and friends of players to visit, and even worse places for them to post. I have no idea what Liberty is like, but I would again implore you to not post on their sites either. At best, it will come across as being an overly controlling relative, at worst it will come across as a malcontent, but no matter what, it will reflect more on your son than it does on you.
Bottom line, you posting on message boards makes John look bad. No matter your intent, no matter how objective you may think you are, it reflects poorly on your son. If you continue to do it, here or otherwise, it WILL make John look bad. If that is your intent, I guess you can feel free to continue.
Quote from: dddawson on March 13, 2015, 09:03:59 AM
To make it clear I'm speaking from a coaches point of view ..... Don't hate WOJO if I came from a frustrated fathers point of view it wouldn't be nice .... This is just pure uncut advice
Really?
When you imply a lack of communication and end with "You let 2 get away," one of whom is your son, you think that comes across as advice?
Quote from: dddawson on March 13, 2015, 02:46:31 AM
Learn listen be smarter than your own ideas ..... Throw away your cookie cutter! Season could've been a whole lot better with the personnel you had in the beginning communicate better with your new family .... It took coach k a while to get where he is and in the beginning the duke faithful wanted him fired! .... Forget what you think duke is .... You're at MARQUETTE now! .... You let 2 get away!
Welcome back, Mr Dawson. From everything you've posted here I conclude that you are a good and reasonable man who loves his son. Sorry things didn't work out - hope for nothing but the best for John and your entire family.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 13, 2015, 09:22:51 AM
Welcome back, Mr Dawson. From everything you've posted here I conclude that you are a good and reasonable man who loves his son. Sorry things didn't work out - hope for nothing but the best for John and your entire family.
Dunno. Didn't seem to be much reason in his message.
For example, what does "be smarter than your own ideas" mean? Does it mean your ideas are stupid? Does it mean your ideas don't make sense? Does it mean absolutely jack$hit nothing?
Also, what does a cookie cutter have to do with coaching ball? And, finally, no one with an ounce of reason would think the MU season would be any different than what it was if Burton was playing 11 minutes a game and Dawson was still racking up DNPs.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 13, 2015, 09:22:51 AM
Welcome back, Mr Dawson. From everything you've posted here I conclude that you are a good and reasonable man who loves his son. Sorry things didn't work out - hope for nothing but the best for John and your entire family.
Agreed. Best of luck to you and your son. Hoping he at least took you to Real Chili during his tenure. Probably not as good as NM chili. ;D
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 13, 2015, 09:28:54 AM
Dunno. Didn't seem to be much reason in his message.
For example, what does "be smarter than your own ideas" mean? Does it mean your ideas are stupid? Does it mean your ideas don't make sense? Does it mean absolutely jack$hit nothing?
Also, what does a cookie cutter have to do with coaching ball? And, finally, no one with an ounce of reason would think the MU season would be any different than what it was if Burton was playing 11 minutes a game and Dawson was still racking up DNPs.
He's basically saying Wojo shouldn't have tried to force Burton and Dawson into Wojo's mold/cookie cutter. He should have let them be them and blindly dole out minutes to them, thereby undermining the message Wojo has been trying to send and will continue to send.
Unless someone can prove that what Wojo told these guys when he was first hired and they decided to stay is different than what he was preaching during the first semester when they decided to leave there is nothing to see here.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on March 13, 2015, 09:45:48 AM
He's basically saying Wojo shouldn't have tried to force Burton and Dawson into Wojo's mold/cookie cutter. He should have let them be them and blindly dole out minutes to them, thereby undermining the message Wojo has been trying to send and will continue to send.
Unless someone can prove that what Wojo told these guys when he was first hired and they decided to stay is different than what he was preaching during the first semester when they decided to leave there is nothing to see here.
Look, I would have liked John Dawson and Deonte Burton to have worked out. It sounds like they both are pretty decent human beings and I wish them well in their new endeavors.
That said, sorry to say that John was in over his head. The fact that Marquette West, Iowa State, didn't scream for him is telling. More importantly, Liberty aint no Marquette. I think John is probably where he belongs.
Deonte probably should have worked at Marquette. I have no idea what really happened. Perhaps a red shirt year this year would have made this difference but, whatever. Good luck to both and see you down the road.
Strong fundamentals and crisp execution are critical to the offense he wants to run - current roster needs significant work
Coaching in game is tough - probably has even more respect for Coach K after this season
It's hard to get players recruited and developed to play in a specific system to buy in to a completely different system
Fouls called in ACC are not fouls in the BEast - May need to tweak the offense to account for this and players need to be stronger, especially bigs
Quote from: dddawson on March 13, 2015, 09:03:59 AM
To make it clear I'm speaking from a coaches point of view ..... Don't hate WOJO if I came from a frustrated fathers point of view it wouldn't be nice .... This is just pure uncut advice
You are not speaking from a coach's point of view. You are a player's father. As the dad of two former high school players, one of whom went on to play in college, I know it is impossible to be truly objective about one's own kids.
I hope John enjoys Liberty as a college experience and I hope he gets the minutes he had no chance of getting at a high major.
I echo those who encourage you and all other family members to steer clear of fan sites. Nothing good can come of it. Nothing.
Quote from: MUSF on March 13, 2015, 09:53:25 AM
Strong fundamentals and crisp execution are critical to the offense he wants to run - current roster needs significant work
Coaching in game is tough - probably has even more respect for Coach K after this season
It's hard to get players recruited and developed to play in a specific system to buy in to a completely different system
Fouls called in ACC are not fouls in the BEast - May need to tweak the offense to account for this and players need to be stronger, especially bigs
I agree - except the last sentence. I have seen no evidence that the BE is "tougher" than any other major conference (except maybe the pac-12 ;D)
1. Don't play zone very much.
2. It sucks when a mess was left to you--leave it better than you found it.
3. We are not the Duke of the Midwest, yet. (Hopefully he believes we can be)
4. The jury is still out on three guard offense (unless you are Villanova)
5. PG's must be able to shoot and make FT's--find one that does.
6. Milwaukee/Wisconsin does have basketball talent and talented kielbasa.
7. Need a stud PF and PG.
8. Some players need to hit the weight room.
9. Al McGuire's shadow still looms large, even almost 40 years removed.
10. A power point presentation got me this gig, but now I need to show my stuff.
11. Being the Head Guy is real tough.
12. The BEast is pretty damn good, a lot better than was realized on Tobacco Road. But DePaul still sucks.
13. Jay Wright sure as hell knows what he is doing.
14. The Bradley Center is sure different than the Cameron Crazies.
15. Who the hell was the phony cowboy?
16. Recruiting a world class high jumper to the team, who just happens to have a Burger Guy younger brother, can pay big dividends.
17. Matching Coach K's first 3 years at Duke may be tougher than I thought. (38-47)
18. I sure want to kick Bo Ryan's ass on the BB floor before he retires.
19. I damn sure will make this work--sooner rather than later.
20. Most importantly---this is not a stepping stone job, but a destination.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 13, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
1. Don't play zone very much.
2. It sucks when a mess was left to you--leave it better than you found it.
3. We are not the Duke of the Midwest, yet. (Hopefully he believes we can be)
4. The jury is still out on three guard offense (unless you are Villanova)
5. PG's must be able to shoot and make FT's--find one that does.
6. Milwaukee/Wisconsin does have basketball talent and talented kielbasa.
7. Need a stud PF and PG.
8. Some players need to hit the weight room.
9. Al McGuire's shadow still looms large, even almost 40 years removed.
10. A power point presentation got me this gig, but now I need to show my stuff.
11. Being the Head Guy is real tough.
12. The BEast is pretty damn good, a lot better than was realized on Tobacco Road. But DePaul still sucks.
13. Jay Wright sure as hell knows what he is doing.
14. The Bradley Center is sure different than the Cameron Crazies.
15. Who the hell was the phony cowboy?
16. Recruiting a world class high jumper to the team, who just happens to have a Burger Guy younger brother, can pay big dividends.
17. Matching Coach K's first 3 years at Duke may be tougher than I thought. (38-47)
18. I sure want to kick Bo Ryan's ass on the BB floor before he retires.
19. I damn sure will make this work--sooner rather than later.
20. Most importantly---this is not a stepping stone job, but a destination.
+1 This is a really nice summary.
Quote from: dddawson on March 13, 2015, 02:46:31 AM
Learn listen be smarter than your own ideas ..... Throw away your cookie cutter! Season could've been a whole lot better with the personnel you had in the beginning communicate better with your new family .... It took coach k a while to get where he is and in the beginning the duke faithful wanted him fired! .... Forget what you think duke is .... You're at MARQUETTE now! .... You let 2 get away!
Awful.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 13, 2015, 08:46:04 AM
I really think it is time for everyone to move on. I wish John well, but this is really not a good look.
C'mon Sultan. If the kid's dad wants to speak his piece here, let him. Others think he should not even post here, "because no good can come of it"--says somebody with several thousand posts. Opinions here are all over the map, some good, some not so good, but when the thought police try to control a kid's Dad who may have some "legitimate grievances" (to quote our illustrious emperor), that really is not a good look either!!!
Yes all opinions are welcome...no matter how stupid and uniformed.......
Quote from: willie warrior on March 13, 2015, 10:38:10 AM
C'mon Sultan. If the kid's dad wants to speak his piece here, let him. Others think he should not even post here, "because no good can come of it"--says somebody with several thousand posts. Opinions here are all over the map, some good, some not so good, but when the thought police try to control a kid's Dad who may have some "legitimate grievances" (to quote our illustrious emperor), that really is not a good look either!!!
He can post here all he wants. I'm not calling for him to be banned or his posts deleted. I don't think he understands that he comes off as an over-protective parent who is upset at how Wojo handled his son. And that doesn't make John into a sympathetic figure, but like someone who needs his dad to carry his water for him.
BTW, your 20 points above were very good.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 13, 2015, 10:50:27 AM
He can post here all he wants. I'm not calling for him to be banned or his posts deleted. I don't think he understands that he comes off as an over-protective parent who is upset at how Wojo handled his son. And that doesn't make John into a sympathetic figure, but like someone who needs his dad to carry his water for him.
BTW, your 20 points above were very good.
Ok we agree to disagree. I haven't read all his posts, but I do not detect that he is carrying the kid's water or being over protective. You do not think the look is good, that's fine, I do not see that. Besides, there are very few posters on this board who have always carried a "good look", including myself. Except you, Sultan, that is!
Almost all of us are fans, probably some of us overly rabid, and this year was even more frustrating than last year--which also was a huge disappointment. So if we vent some of those frustrations out on a message /chat board, who really cares, except for the temporary relief it may give to the ventor.
I especially like the point on kielbasa--it has been a long time since I have had some good kielbasa. And I am jealous of Wojo--he probably has trucks of it backing up to his freezer. He also has access to Kewaskum Frozen Meats garlic summer sausage, so I am doubly jealous. If I want it, I have to pay shipping charges.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 13, 2015, 11:04:03 AM
Ok we agree to disagree. I haven't read all his posts, but I do not detect that he is carrying the kid's water or being over protective. You do not think the look is good, that's fine, I do not see that. Besides, there are very few posters on this board who have always carried a "good look", including myself. Except you, Sultan, that is!
Almost all of us are fans, probably some of us overly rabid, and this year was even more frustrating than last year--which also was a huge disappointment. So if we vent some of those frustrations out on a message /chat board, who really cares, except for the temporary relief it may give to the ventor.
I especially like the point on kielbasa--it has been a long time since I have had some good kielbasa. And I am jealous of Wojo--he probably has trucks of it backing up to his freezer. He also has access to Kewaskum Frozen Meats garlic summer sausage, so I am doubly jealous. If I want it, I have to pay shipping charges.
Stop making my mouth water so close to lunch! I'm gonna be eating a frickin' salad. <sob>
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 13, 2015, 09:22:51 AM
Welcome back, Mr Dawson. From everything you've posted here I conclude that you are a good and reasonable man who loves his son. Sorry things didn't work out - hope for nothing but the best for John and your entire family.
+1
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2015, 09:59:04 AM
You are not speaking from a coach's point of view. You are a player's father. As the dad of two former high school players
Ners is your son?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 13, 2015, 09:17:28 AM
Maybe so, but that's not how it comes across. This is why I advised against posting on this board years ago and continue to do so now. Your viewpoint will never be viewed as objective, and you and nevada233 continuing to post here about Wojo makes it look like sour grapes and that you can't let go.
Whatever the case may be, it's not good form. It never was. Fan sites just aren't a good place for family and friends of players to visit, and even worse places for them to post. I have no idea what Liberty is like, but I would again implore you to not post on their sites either. At best, it will come across as being an overly controlling relative, at worst it will come across as a malcontent, but no matter what, it will reflect more on your son than it does on you.
Bottom line, you posting on message boards makes John look bad. No matter your intent, no matter how objective you may think you are, it reflects poorly on your son. If you continue to do it, here or otherwise, it WILL make John look bad. If that is your intent, I guess you can feel free to continue.
You already ran away crying to create your own board once . . . and it was a circle jerk. Your advice re. who should and should not post is worth little.
Quote from: slingkong on March 13, 2015, 01:15:37 PM
You already ran away crying to create your own board once . . . and it was a circle jerk. Your advice re. who should and should not post is worth little.
WTF are you talking about?
Quote from: slingkong on March 13, 2015, 01:15:37 PMYou already ran away crying to create your own board once . . . and it was a circle jerk. Your advice re. who should and should not post is worth little.
I did? ?-(
Sultan, I believe he is referring to last lent when you gave up posting on scoop. Some less informed people thought that you had quit scoop forever, taking your insights exclusively to the brewcityball forum.
Quote from: tower912 on March 13, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
Sultan, I believe he is referring to last lent when you gave up posting on scoop. Some less informed people thought that you had quit scoop forever, taking your insights exclusively to the brewcityball forum.
He was quoting brewcity though. (He's mixing up brewcity with IWB's Brew City Ball. Which is actually going along just fine.)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 13, 2015, 01:39:14 PMHe was quoting brewcity though. (He's mixing up brewcity with IWB's Brew City Ball. Which is actually going along just fine.)
I suppose that would make sense. Absolutely zero accuracy from the fact perspective, but I can understand the confusion.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 13, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
13. Jay Wright sure as hell knows what he is doing.
Completely agree. Interestingly, Jay Wright went 13-19 just two years ago at Villanova, with an opening day win in the Big East Tournament.
The following year he was 20-14 and, obviously, this year, they are pretty decent.
Follow the path, Wojo. Follow the path. (NOTE: There are important distinctions between the two teams, but it makes for a nice parallel nonetheless).
Quote from: MUCam on March 13, 2015, 01:56:23 PM
Completely agree. Interestingly, Jay Wright went 13-19 just two years ago at Villanova, with an opening day win in the Big East Tournament.
The following year he was 20-14 and, obviously, this year, they are pretty decent.
Follow the path, Wojo. Follow the path. (NOTE: There are important distinctions between the two teams, but it makes for a nice parallel nonetheless).
The key distinction is "recruit your type of players." Remember reading about Wright and how those years after a Final Four were lean because he got out of doing his thing.
Need to make the front end of the bonus free throws
Need to make the easy chip shots
Quote from: terrykelly on March 13, 2015, 02:21:28 PM
Need to make the front end of the bonus free throws
Need to make the easy chip shots
I'll go out on a limb here and say that Steve probably learned this prior to his first season as MU head coach.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 13, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
1. Don't play zone very much.
2. It sucks when a mess was left to you--leave it better than you found it.
3. We are not the Duke of the Midwest, yet. (Hopefully he believes we can be)
4. The jury is still out on three guard offense (unless you are Villanova)
5. PG's must be able to shoot and make FT's--find one that does.
6. Milwaukee/Wisconsin does have basketball talent and talented kielbasa.
7. Need a stud PF and PG.
8. Some players need to hit the weight room.
9. Al McGuire's shadow still looms large, even almost 40 years removed.
10. A power point presentation got me this gig, but now I need to show my stuff.
11. Being the Head Guy is real tough.
12. The BEast is pretty damn good, a lot better than was realized on Tobacco Road. But DePaul still sucks.
13. Jay Wright sure as hell knows what he is doing.
14. The Bradley Center is sure different than the Cameron Crazies.
15. Who the hell was the phony cowboy?
16. Recruiting a world class high jumper to the team, who just happens to have a Burger Guy younger brother, can pay big dividends.
17. Matching Coach K's first 3 years at Duke may be tougher than I thought. (38-47)
18. I sure want to kick Bo Ryan's ass on the BB floor before he retires.
19. I damn sure will make this work--sooner rather than later.
20. Most importantly---this is not a stepping stone job, but a destination.
+1
Agree with everything stated here
Quote from: terrykelly on March 13, 2015, 02:21:28 PM
Need to make the front end of the bonus free throws
Need to make the easy chip shots
I honestly think this is huge.
If MU makes 50% of the the point blank bunnies they miss this season, it would have been a very different season.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 13, 2015, 10:50:27 AM
He can post here all he wants. I'm not calling for him to be banned or his posts deleted. I don't think he understands that he comes off as an over-protective parent who is upset at how Wojo handled his son. And that doesn't make John into a sympathetic figure, but like someone who needs his dad to carry his water for him.
I am as big a free-speech advocate as there is on the planet and I have absolutely no problem with Dawson's dad or anybody else posting here or on any other fan site.
My recommendation that family members and close friends avoid these sites has less to do the poster coming off as over-protective than it does with protecting the sanity of the posters!
I am not a super-controversial poster who spews venom here on Scoop, but I also am
never going to filter one of my opinions because I think a kid's family might be reading. This is the Marquette fan's site, not mommy and daddy's site.
Quote from: MUCam on March 13, 2015, 01:56:23 PM
Interestingly, Jay Wright went 13-19 just two years ago at Villanova, with an opening day win in the Big East Tournament.
The following year he was 20-14 and, obviously, this year, they are pretty decent.
You're off by a year Cam. Nova had a losing record 3 years ago, not 2. They followed it up with 20-14 2 years ago and were 29-5 last year. But you point is well taken. It takes a while to "grow" a team that good.
Did anybody see that Bo benched Kaminsky after the big guy missed two bunnies and committed two sloppy turnovers in a four-possession span? When Kaminsky got back in, he was much more focused.
Bo and his head games.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 13, 2015, 04:18:25 PM
I honestly think this is huge.
If MU makes 50% of the the point blank bunnies they miss this season, it would have been a very different season.
Has nothing to do with Wojo though.
Quote from: MU82 on March 14, 2015, 08:31:05 AM
Did anybody see that Bo benched Kaminsky after the big guy missed two bunnies and committed two sloppy turnovers in a four-possession span? When Kaminsky got back in, he was much more focused.
Bo and his head games.
I did. And he has done that many times with Dekker before. There is a reason they only commit 5 fouls in a game - it's Bo's way or the highway.
It's taken several very good players a couple years to learn that.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 13, 2015, 04:18:25 PM
I honestly think this is huge.
If MU makes 50% of the the point blank bunnies they miss this season, it would have been a very different season.
They did miss an astounding number of them throughout the season. I bet if stats were kept, STJ would have led that category.
Quote from: brandx on March 14, 2015, 10:40:13 AM
I did. And he has done that many times with Dekker before. There is a reason they only commit 5 fouls in a game - it's Bo's way or the highway.
It's taken several very good players a couple years to learn that.
Yes, he does it with Dekker all the time. And Dekker didn't pout publicly or transfer.
A coach has to hold his players accountable. It is THEIR team and they should show pride of ownership. I was happy Buzz benched Junior when he deserved it, and happy Wojo benched JJJ. Both were beneficial long-term. If the benching ultimately makes JJJ transfer, then he wasn't strong enough mentally to be a Warrior.
Hmmmmmm.....stay tuned!
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 04:32:47 PM
Hmmmmmm.....stay tuned!
Is John rethinking his transfer?
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 04:32:47 PM
Hmmmmmm.....stay tuned!
One of the other 47 offers look better than Liberty?
I'm confused. What is this conversation about?
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 18, 2015, 04:38:43 PM
One of the other 47 offers look better than Liberty?
I believe Preacher Dawson is talking about JJJ. Preacher?
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2015, 04:40:32 PM
I believe Preacher Dawson is talking about JJJ. Preacher?
I think Preacher Dawson should STFU and hang out on Liberty's boards. I'm sure he has a lot to say about how a team should handle a coaching changes and that wisdom would be most welcome.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 18, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
I think Preacher Dawson should STFU and hang out on Liberty's boards. I'm sure he has a lot to say about how a team should handle a coaching changes and that wisdom would be most welcome.
For a guy who has a son that got defended ad infinitum on this board by some, he sure has no idea how to take a high road and avoid pissing off the support base that was there.
Simply saying this has always been a business and that all involved have to be wise and not selfish ..... No need to get upset
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 18, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
For a guy who has a son that got defended ad infinitum on this board by some, he sure has no idea how to take a high road and avoid pissing off the support base that was there.
I said it earlier, but if he thinks that he is going to make Wojo look bad and his son some sort of sympathetic figure, he has it all wrong.
Frankly he's reminding me of Tim Maymon. That's not a good thing.
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
Simply saying this has always been a business and that all involved have to be wise and not selfish ..... No need to get upset
This sounds like a really bad fortune cookie or wisdom calendar. It's also just as obnoxiously ambiguous and self-righteous.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 18, 2015, 04:54:44 PM
I said it earlier, but if he thinks that he is going to make Wojo look bad and his son some sort of sympathetic figure, he has it all wrong.
Frankly he's reminding me of Tim Maymon. That's not a good thing.
I'll have to observe his sweater choices before making that conclusion.
No need for me to make WOJO look bad .... He has to look good or bad on his own , where did you get that idea .... For your info .... I rooted for MU all year great kids who treated my son well .... WOJO will do well but it will take awhile
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
Simply saying this has always been a business and that all involved have to be wise and not selfish ..... No need to get upset
What's wise about posting cryptic messages on an anonymous message board of a basketball program your son/relative is no longer involved with?
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
Simply saying this has always been a business and that all involved have to be wise and not selfish ..... No need to get upset
Then why say "Hmmmmmmmmm...stayed tuned'? You honestly believe people on this thread are not going to bash you unless you have something concrete to provide after making such a statement? Your previous communications over the years have been pretty good, but your current response makes no sense.
I wish John the best. It is too bad that it didn't work out for him here and I know that can be sad. Maybe he was over recruited, maybe he'll blow up and we'll all wish he was at MU. It didn't seem that the talent was there yet at this level.
Either way, I hope he does well at Liberty on and off the court and has a good time and continues to develop into a great man. No reason to place a ceiling on his development on or off the court. I hope he blows up and we can all smile about what could have been and that he ends up way ahead in life and uses basketball to his advantage.
There sure is no shortage of people that would love to be offered the chance at a full ride scholarship to attend college on any level! It maybe a lot of work, but that sure is one great payoff.
makes a lot of sense if you don't jump to your own conclusion
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 04:32:47 PM
Hmmmmmm.....stay tuned!
Could mean anything or could be about anyone. I'd GUESS that John is looking somewhere else (V.Tech?). Or there is another transfer. Other than that, I'd have no other guesses.
Oops my fault .... I'm speaking from facts and truth that some on here may not know about. So with that I'll let it rest ..... Go MARQUETTE !!!
Where's Big Daddy when we need him to shed some light on things?
I have no idea what John's dad is talking about with his statement (Hmmmmm... stay tuned!). Heck, it could even be good news.
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 05:23:05 PM
Oops my fault .... I'm speaking from facts and truth that some on here may not know about. So with that I'll let it rest ..... Go MARQUETTE !!!
Mr. Dawson, with respect, speak clearly or don't speak at all. Not speaking at all (on this board, that is) would be the most appropriate choice.
Quick - someone get on the under-board and find out what is going on.
It might serve all better if some of you guys left Sir Dawson's posts alone and critique your own comments. Just sayin.....
....don't keep kids around whose parents post on message boards?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 18, 2015, 05:30:14 PM
Quick - someone get on the under-board and find out what is going on.
Gotta be a new scoop meme, right?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 18, 2015, 05:47:55 PM
Gotta be a new scoop meme, right?
God Willing http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46843.msg710864#msg710864 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46843.msg710864#msg710864)
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2015, 10:40:40 AM
They did miss an astounding number of them throughout the season. I bet if stats were kept, STJ would have led that category.
Not "point blank"-based, but dunks and layups / at the rim shots,...
STJ 64.2%.
Of those with at least 25 such attempts (Sandy at 47% just misses), Carlino was the worst at 24/48 for 50.0%. Duane at 52.1%. No one else below 63%.
As a team 62.1%
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 05:23:05 PM
Oops my fault .... I'm speaking from facts and truth that some on here may not know about. So with that I'll let it rest ..... Go MARQUETTE !!!
You aren't speaking anything. You are making implications and veiled observations.
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 05:17:47 PM
makes a lot of sense if you don't jump to your own conclusion
Man, you write some weird crap. I've been around MU basketball a long time. I've seen and witnessed all types of parents come in the program, stay in the program, leave the program, never to be heard again in the program, etc. You take the cake in terms of psychedelic weird $hit stylings.
In the end, I hope the sacking of Layer doesn't screw young Dawson too much with the new coach. Changes in that position can create instability for young men.
He's still working hard and appreciating opportunity
Wojo to Depaul and Doc Rivers to MU
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 07:12:02 PM
He's still working hard and appreciating opportunity
Looking forward to seeing John do well at Liberty. Great young man who is working hard at his craft.
No doubt the JD transfer is front of mind with Wojo and will have a profound effect on his career at MU.
Quote from: dddawson on March 18, 2015, 04:53:57 PMSimply saying this has always been a business and that all involved have to be wise and not selfish ..... No need to get upset
No, you aren't. You are a troll. You are here to rile up a fanbase and to snipe at the coaching staff that you feel treated your son poorly. You are here to spout cryptic, critical statements with an overwhelmingly heavy dose of "I told you so" when in all honesty, you really never told us all that much. But more than anything, you sure seem to be here to make you feel better about yourself from your pedestal.
If you're bitter, if you're upset, take it up with the coaching staff. If you want to incite a fanbase, how about trying to positively incite the Liberty fanbase about your son's potential rather than trying to negatively incite this fanbase that, until Buzz came along, you were never a part of?
If anyone is getting upset, it is because YOU are making them upset. Stop talking about how wise you are (isn't humility a virtue?) and pay more attention to where your son's career is going rather than where it's been.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 18, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
I think Preacher Dawson should STFU and hang out on Liberty's boards. I'm sure he has a lot to say about how a team should handle a coaching changes and that wisdom would be most welcome.
Whatever he wants to say, you will attack. But it is OK for you to spout your wisdom. Double standard time for the Sultan of Swing.
Losing Dawson is disastrous.
Losing an NBAer like Dave Singleton was tough too.
I've kind of assumed that Ners has been the Dawson inner circle view exposed ad nauseam on these boards as to their perceived talent level of John.
Gives us some insight into the stuff that these players are fed and the headache that coach's must have a to deal with.... patience and earning things seems to be something that has been lost in our society in general, but more so amongst athletes (this last sentence if more a general comment and not directed at John or his circle because I have no inside info and don't know them, other than through Ners posts).
If Ners posts were representative of John's inner circle's advice and outlook, it was good that he left MU. Maybe the next coach will be the key and get what they see and others don't, I don't know. Hopefully the move is a good one for him and it all works out, especially off the court (this is really the key, use basketball to get a free degree and put yourself ahead in life).
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2015, 09:19:44 AM
Whatever he wants to say, you will attack. But it is OK for you to spout your wisdom. Double standard time for the Sultan of Swing.
I'm not a parent of a former player. You really have a basic misunderstanding of logic.
Quote from: GOO on March 19, 2015, 11:08:07 AM
I've kind of assumed that Ners has been the Dawson inner circle
On the under board?
IMO Dawson was in way over his head. He couldn't see the floor with 2 different coaching staffs and the lack of interest when he transferred was telling. I think he is now at a suitable level that fits his talent level and I hope he has a successful last couple of years.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 19, 2015, 05:52:08 PM
I'm not a parent of a former player. You really have a basic misunderstanding of logic.
No, sorry I do not. But I do have a basic understanding that you are illogical.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2015, 07:19:42 PM
No, sorry I do not. But I do have a basic understanding that you are illogical.
The "I know you are but what am I" response.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 19, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
The "I know you are but what am I" response.
Sure Brew. Blast a kid's dad for posting here his opinions. But yours are OK, right? The thought police mentality becomes you and Sultan.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2015, 06:51:09 AM
Sure Brew. Blast a kid's dad for posting here his opinions. But yours are OK, right? The thought police mentality becomes you and Sultan.
Yes, I will blast a transfer's dad for posting veiled references here, especially considering his potential bias. If you got a problem with that, report me to the mods.