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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 23, 2015, 05:13:52 PM
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With Anim in the fold, does this take the JUCO O'wing from Texas out of play? Or do they bring different skill sets? Can Anim play any PG? How tall is he? As a straight one-for-one trade for NN, did MU come out ahead? Is Wojo still thinking PG and big wing? What are the odds he banks a schollie?
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Never stop recruitin', hey?
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Maybe.
Yes.
Maybe.
Yes.
Yes.
3:2.
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/marquette-gets-commitment-from-minneapolis-prep-star-sacar-anim-b99450257z1-293734131.html
I do not miss Mike Hunt. Nice work, Matt.
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PG and rebounding wing. Hopefully can play immediately.
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A 6ft 8, 240 lbs power forward who can rebound and put fear under the boards. No more skinny wings or guards, with exception of a PG.
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@WisBBYearbook: Where will Marquette look in the spring for additional recruits with several still to give? Likely a PG and a rebounding/athletic forward.
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In terms of pure talent right now Noskowiak seems to be the better player from the little I have seen of each, but Anim definitely has his head on straight and by all accounts is a hard worker whose game is really blooming as of late. Anim could potentially be the better player long term.
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A 6'6" 230-240lb guy wearing number 32 who can hit a trailer three and is also able to play center (See Lazar and Jae)
We need a guy down there that can literally will his team to victory with next to no help.
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I still think we will pursue O'Field. The way I see it, we have 3 needs for next year.
1) PG - Wojo has been pursuing HS players like Traci Carter and Damian Wilson as well add numerous JUCO points. Pretty sure this will be a top priority.
2) Scorer - The right PG (Dequon Miller) could full two roles, but this is the role Tyrone Outlaw or Maurice O'Field would play. Could see the staff looking at a grad transfer here, but I'm sure they want a 2/3 that can fill the basket. Personally, I'd like someone that can rebound here too.
3) Rebounder - Mark Miller mentioned today this will be a focus. Likely look JUCO or grad transfer, someone ready to play right away. Even a Dwight Burke type would help this team that can fight for boards and defend the paint.
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PG and rebounding wing. Hopefully can play immediately.
Still concerned about how many wings we need. Next year we will have 6 (More than enough): Cheatham, Anim, Cohen, JJJ, Wally and Duane. Looks like we need at least 1PG. By position for next year:
Center: Fischer, Heldt
PF: H. Ellenson, Taylor
Wing/2G: Duane, Cheatham, Anim, Sandy, JJJ, Wally(listed as a G on MU's roster)
PG: Nobody
Must find a PG (preferably 2) and another big. Don't see any evidence that Cheatham is a PG.
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A 6'6" 230-240lb guy wearing number 32 who can hit a trailer three and is also able to play center (See Lazar and Jae)
We need a guy down there that can literally will his team to victory with next to no help.
Wouldn't that be nice. I wouldn't count on it. By far my two favorite MU players.
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In terms of pure talent right now Noskowiak seems to be the better player from the little I have seen of each, but Anim definitely has his head on straight and by all accounts is a hard worker whose game is really blooming as of late. Anim could potentially be the better player long term.
Talent only takes you so far. I've been concerned about NN long before he asked out. IMO it's best for both sides... Just wish we realized it earlier. Very happy to have Sacar... Now time for Wojo to get a PG
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I'm going to look at the far end on this. I now think Wojo can sign a transfer who redshirts next year as #13. Or, he can simply bank one as Steve will be the only Senior. Two more this spring who can dress next year. Wouldn't bother me one bit if both are Jucos.
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Really hoping for a grad transfer. Get the benefit of using the scholarship next year but also having another to offer for 2016 along with Steve's. Grad transfer PG, HS PG, and an athletic JUCO forward would be ideal but a scoring wing wouldn't surprise me either.
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I'm going to look at the far end on this. I now think Wojo can sign a transfer who redshirts next year as #13. Or, he can simply bank one as Steve will be the only Senior. Two more this spring who can dress next year. Wouldn't bother me one bit if both are Jucos.
Yes. The transfer market is always interesting and MU is in a position to take a long look at guys who would need to sit out a year in residence........
Would like a great grad as well.. and JUCO star. Those three. Then we're good. Flip the switch and make it happen, MU.
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O'Field is a brickhouse at 6'6". He can jump out of the gym too. I'd still go hard after him.
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For getting a good PG....take a list of the top 20 incoming frosh PGs (note, I mean the 20 best, not just those ranked top 20), and circle those who are going to a program where the head coach may be fired, or may move onto a better job.
Let their people know that if anything happens with the school/coach they've committed to, Marquette would be interested. So who would be on this list? That's likely beyond my research abilities, but an interesting question.
edit: Ok...maybe not completely beyond my ability...
slightly outside the top 20....Sedrick Barefield is committed to SMU
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My ideal situation would be
1. Grad Transfer PG (Back up plan JUCO PG like Brandon Brown or Dequon Miller)
2. JUCO rebounding forward (1. Freeman 2. Outlaw 3. O'Field)
3. Traci Carter (back up plan would be a traditional transfer PG)
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How many graduate transfers are there in a given year? I think the problem is that since we have landed two in the past three years that we think it is more common than it really is. So if we are looking at a PG...who has the ability to play immediately and contribute...and wants to come to Marquette...that pool of players could be very small. Maybe even non-existent.
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My ideal situation would be
1. Grad Transfer PG (Back up plan JUCO PG like Brandon Brown or Dequon Miller)
2. JUCO rebounding forward (1. Freeman 2. Outlaw 3. O'Field)
3. Traci Carter (back up plan would be a traditional transfer PG)
What are our chances of landing a Grad Transfer PG? Anybody have a feel for that?
Starting to look like we may end up with Duane playing PG next year?
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What are our chances of landing a Grad Transfer PG? Anybody have a feel for that?
Starting to look like we may end up with Duane playing PG next year?
Willie, IMO counting on a Grad Transfer PG is not the way to go. There aren't that many good ones out there and if you miss you are screwed. I would rather take a JUCO PG than roll the dice and count on landing a quality Grad Transfer.
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Willie, IMO counting on a Grad Transfer PG is not the way to go. There aren't that many good ones out there and if you miss you are screwed. I would rather take a JUCO PG than roll the dice and count on landing a quality Grad Transfer.
Agreed--but do we even have a shot at a good JUCO PG at this point? Not aware of how many are left.
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Agreed--but do we even have a shot at a good JUCO PG at this point? Not aware of how many are left.
Well Wojo is looking at some. How good they are in terms of making an immediate impact is a debatable point. You may be looking at someone along the lines of Dwight Buycks type.
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Well Wojo is looking at some. How good they are in terms of making an immediate impact is a debatable point. You may be looking at someone along the lines of Dwight Buycks type.
Steady, sometimes surprisingly awesome, contributor who was unfairly maligned by the board and ended up playing in the NBA? I'll take it.
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How many graduate transfers are there in a given year? I think the problem is that since we have landed two in the past three years that we think it is more common than it really is. So if we are looking at a PG...who has the ability to play immediately and contribute...and wants to come to Marquette...that pool of players could be very small. Maybe even non-existent.
That's a good question and made me curious, so I just went through the list of the top 100 leaders in assists this year to see if any fit the profile of 4th year in college, and 3rd year of eligibility. I only found three, and this assumes they're on track to graduate after 4 years.
Jalan West at Northwestern St.
Redshirted in 11-12 due to NCAA clearinghouse issues.
Averaging 19.0 ppg and 7.3 apg
Nic Moore at SMU
Transferred from Illinois St. to SMU, and sat out 12-13.
Averaging 14.5 ppg and 5.4 apg
Anthony Collins at USF
Granted a medical hardship waiver for 13-14
Averaging 7.2 ppg and 5.1 apg
There were two more that did a year at a prep school and are currently juniors, so I have no idea if that helped them gain credits toward graduating early.
Chris Fowler at Central Michigan
Graduated Detroit Country Day in '11, and spent a year at IMG Academy.
Averaging 15.5 ppg and 6.1 apg
AJ English at Iona
Graduated HS in '11 and spent a year at St. Thomas More Prep
Averaging 19.4 ppg and 5.3 apg
That was about it. However, I used ESPN's top 100 assist leaders list as a starting point and noticed there were a lot of inaccuracies on seasons played when I dug into the details of various players. For example, they don't show Nic Moore's year at Illinois State so I almost left him off the list. I also ignored all 3rd year Juniors, but there's a chance some of them could graduate early also.
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My guess is this guy is a priority......http://zagsblog.com/articles/recruiting-roundup-traci-carter-sets-officials-to-xavier-marquette-belgian-guard-attends-st-johns-game-marquette-adds-guard/
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That's a good question and made me curious, so I just went through the list of the top 100 leaders in assists this year to see if any fit the profile of 4th year in college, and 3rd year of eligibility. I only found three, and this assumes they're on track to graduate after 4 years.
Jalan West at Northwestern St.
Redshirted in 11-12 due to NCAA clearinghouse issues.
Averaging 19.0 ppg and 7.3 apg
Nic Moore at SMU
Transferred from Illinois St. to SMU, and sat out 12-13.
Averaging 14.5 ppg and 5.4 apg
Anthony Collins at USF
Granted a medical hardship waiver for 13-14
Averaging 7.2 ppg and 5.1 apg
There were two more that did a year at a prep school and are currently juniors, so I have no idea if that helped them gain credits toward graduating early.
Chris Fowler at Central Michigan
Graduated Detroit Country Day in '11, and spent a year at IMG Academy.
Averaging 15.5 ppg and 6.1 apg
AJ English at Iona
Graduated HS in '11 and spent a year at St. Thomas More Prep
Averaging 19.4 ppg and 5.3 apg
That was about it. However, I used ESPN's top 100 assist leaders list as a starting point and noticed there were a lot of inaccuracies on seasons played when I dug into the details of various players. For example, they don't show Nic Moore's year at Illinois State so I almost left him off the list. I also ignored all 3rd year Juniors, but there's a chance some of them could graduate early also.
I think Yogi Ferrell at IU is expected to graduate this spring, though I am not going to get my hopes up of him coming to MU. He will be one of the best PG in college hoops next year assuming he isn't drafted this June.
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That's a good question and made me curious, so I just went through the list of the top 100 leaders in assists this year to see if any fit the profile of 4th year in college, and 3rd year of eligibility. I only found three, and this assumes they're on track to graduate after 4 years.
Jalan West at Northwestern St.
Redshirted in 11-12 due to NCAA clearinghouse issues.
Averaging 19.0 ppg and 7.3 apg
Nic Moore at SMU
Transferred from Illinois St. to SMU, and sat out 12-13.
Averaging 14.5 ppg and 5.4 apg
Anthony Collins at USF
Granted a medical hardship waiver for 13-14
Averaging 7.2 ppg and 5.1 apg
There were two more that did a year at a prep school and are currently juniors, so I have no idea if that helped them gain credits toward graduating early.
Chris Fowler at Central Michigan
Graduated Detroit Country Day in '11, and spent a year at IMG Academy.
Averaging 15.5 ppg and 6.1 apg
AJ English at Iona
Graduated HS in '11 and spent a year at St. Thomas More Prep
Averaging 19.4 ppg and 5.3 apg
That was about it. However, I used ESPN's top 100 assist leaders list as a starting point and noticed there were a lot of inaccuracies on seasons played when I dug into the details of various players. For example, they don't show Nic Moore's year at Illinois State so I almost left him off the list. I also ignored all 3rd year Juniors, but there's a chance some of them could graduate early also.
Thank you for this. It pretty much reaffirms my thought that this will be a difficult route to take.
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Steady, sometimes surprisingly awesome, contributor who was unfairly maligned by the board and ended up playing in the NBA? I'll take it.
Mostly because he turned the ball over a little too much for a PG. But yeah.
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AJ English at Iona
Graduated HS in '11 and spent a year at St. Thomas More Prep
Averaging 19.4 ppg and 5.3 apg
This one still baffles me. I know Buzz gave English a look and with his family history I always figured he'd go high major. Seemed like a stud and thus far has been. If there was any chance of him, I'd love Wojo top go after him.
Moore is still the dream, but shows there are a few good names out there.
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CHEICK DIALLO 6-9 225 PF. IN MY DREAMS! STUD 5-STAR
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CHEICK DIALLO 6-9 225 PF. IN MY DREAMS! STUD 5-STAR
YEAH GET HIM!
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With Anim in the fold, does this take the JUCO O'wing from Texas out of play? Or do they bring different skill sets? Can Anim play any PG? How tall is he? As a straight one-for-one trade for NN, did MU come out ahead? Is Wojo still thinking PG and big wing? What are the odds he banks a schollie?
Call me nuts, but I favor recruiting point guards to play point guard.. Remember all the talk on the board last year about Sandy Cohen being able to play point guard?
Did Marquette come out ahead? "We'll see", said the Zen Master. Really I'm not sure that I'd ask that question. It's more like, "Will Sacar provide Wojo with what he didn't feel he was getting from Burton?"