Started last year when Jaymeel McKay left the week after October Madness. Watching him play for ISU now and it's clear he would have been a real difference maker for us. With him last year we would have been an NIT team for sure, maybe an NCAA bubble team.
With him this year, we would have won some of the close games and would not be in the cellar, and this board would not be so suicidal. He is also close to Burton (which is partly why he chose ISU) and he might still be on this team.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 14, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Started last year when Jaymeel McKay left the week after October Madness. Watching him play for ISU now and it's clear he would have been a real difference maker for us. With him last year we would have been an NIT team for sure, maybe an NCAA bubble team.
With him this year, we would have won some of the close games and would not be in the cellar, and this board would not be so suicidal. He is also close to Burton (which is partly why he chose ISU) and he might still be on this team.
Thoughts?
1) Yes, McKay would deifnitely have been an impact guy. He's good.
2) Glad Burton's gone, I don't want guys who have no time for any semblance of team D, or passing the ball every now and then.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 14, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Thoughts?
My thoughts... This is stupid. The guy quit after three practices in part because the former coach offended him.
He's gone. Rehashing it accomplishes nothing.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 14, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Started last year when Jaymeel McKay left the week after October Madness.
I thought it started when the Japanese invaded Poland?
Quote from: keefe on February 14, 2015, 04:04:50 PM
I thought it started when the Japanese invaded Poland?
Or the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Eve told Adam about the apple ...
Started when Blue went pro.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 14, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Started last year when Jaymeel McKay left the week after October Madness. Watching him play for ISU now and it's clear he would have been a real difference maker for us. With him last year we would have been an NIT team for sure, maybe an NCAA bubble team.
With him this year, we would have won some of the close games and would not be in the cellar, and this board would not be so suicidal. He is also close to Burton (which is partly why he chose ISU) and he might still be on this team.
Thoughts?
It's funny, go back and read the posts here when McKay left and how many folks said it was no big deal.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 14, 2015, 04:50:56 PM
It's funny, go back and read the posts here when McKay left and how many folks said it was no big deal.
Just like people saying not having Carlino for the last few games may have been no big deal, aina?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2015, 04:52:30 PM
Just like people saying not having Carlino for the last few games may have been no big deal, aina?
I'd love to see who those people were. Statements of fact or rhetorical questions? You can tell the difference if it has one of these "?" in the sentence.
Losing McKay was a big deal IMO. Was very disappointed in how the whole thing played out. Do agree Vander turning pro changed things quite a bit. We were early top ten team preseason with Blue and McKay on board last year and things turned ugly quickly.
On top of Vander and McKay, who I was really excited about last year, we lost Mayo, Deonte, and now Nosk, all of whom I think would have had a positive impact (either large or small).
I'm looking forward to next year where I hope all of this "going pro" or transferring drama is done and we can count on have a committed core of guys for Wojo to build on. Let's hope for the best, fingers crossed.
Quote from: MUtbone on February 14, 2015, 05:03:56 PM
On top of Vander and McKay, who I was really excited about last year, we lost Mayo, Deonte, and now Nosk, all of whom I think would have had a positive impact (either large or small).
FIFY
Mayo was upsetting the team's chemistry before school started. He's been suspended numerous times and showed no signs of changing. The kid has some talent, but it's a near miracle Buzz managed to keep him here and eligible for 3 years. He would have had an impact had he stayed but I'm not sure out would have been positive.
Burton I agree with. Wish he'd stayed, but he wanted to get away.
Noskowiak, well I guess we'll see. There's a lot of mud in the water with him. Hard to know what's true and what isn't. Truly wish him the best, but I do feel there was some mutual feelings in the decommit.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 14, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Started last year when Jaymeel McKay left the week after October Madness. Watching him play for ISU now and it's clear he would have been a real difference maker for us. With him last year we would have been an NIT team for sure, maybe an NCAA bubble team.
With him this year, we would have won some of the close games and would not be in the cellar, and this board would not be so suicidal. He is also close to Burton (which is partly why he chose ISU) and he might still be on this team.
Thoughts?
Completely agree
Then take it another step back. When McKay committed, most people did not expect Otule back for a 6th year. Otule came back. Also, Buzz had one magic half with Otule and Gardner on the floor at the same time and attempted to make an offense of it. So, if McKay's leaving was the first domino, IMO the impetus of the domino was Otule sticking around and beating Syracuse at home.
Quote from: tower912 on February 14, 2015, 06:33:31 PM
Then take it another step back. When McKay committed, most people did not expect Otule back for a 6th year. Otule came back. Also, Buzz had one magic half with Otule and Gardner on the floor at the same time and attempted to make an offense of it. So, if McKay's leaving was the first domino, IMO the impetus of the domino was Otule sticking around and beating Syracuse at home.
Actually, if you
believe any of McKay's tweets (especially after Buzz left in the spring), he left because after a few months with Buzz he concluded he was a looney tunes (my description). It had nothing to do with Otule staying/going.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 14, 2015, 04:54:31 PM
I'd love to see who those people were. Statements of fact or rhetorical questions? You can tell the difference if it has one of these "?" in the sentence.
What's the point of a rhetorical question if you don't believe there may be some truth to it? That's odd. Would you have posed the rhetorical question had, say, Dwyane Wade gone down for 4 games in 2003? Of course not.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 14, 2015, 06:41:19 PM
Actually, if you believe any of McKay's tweets (especially after Buzz left in the spring), he left because after a few months with Buzz he concluded he was a looney tunes (my description). It had nothing to do with Otule staying/going.
I agree with this. He had a problem dealing with Buzz's peccadillos and given he only had two years left, he did not have the luxury of letting things play out over time.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
What's the point of a rhetorical question if you don't believe there may be some truth to it? That's odd. Would you have posed the rhetorical question had, say, Dwyane Wade gone down for 4 games in 2003? Of course not.
Are you now comparing Dwyane Wade with Matt Carlino and comparing a hypothetical injury situation? It's in a form of a question, so I assume it is rhetorical....but you must "believe there may be some truth to it".
;)
Again, I like MC, think he is a quality player. We stand around too much, defer too much, and let him do too much at the end of games and end of shot clock. We are learning some things THIS year due to this injury. I look forward to him coming back.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 14, 2015, 07:04:01 PM
Are you now comparing Dwyane Wade with Matt Carlino? It's in a form of a question, so I assume it is rhetorical....but you must "believe there may be some truth to it".
;)
No, I was asking if you would've done the same thing had Wade gone down. I didn't compare them at all. You really didn't understand that question?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2015, 07:06:36 PM
No, I was asking if you would've done the same thing had Wade gone down. I didn't compare them at all. You really didn't understand that question?
That's my point. Wade isn't in the same universe as MC, so I would not have posted the same thing.
I don't give no chit if a dude decides to leave. Adios and next man up. Don't sweat the small stuff, aina?
This team's downfall is that it's not very good.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 14, 2015, 09:32:31 PM
I don't give no chit if a dude decides to leave. Adios and next man up. Don't sweat the small stuff, aina?
Oh ya, hey.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 14, 2015, 09:24:51 PM
That's my point. Wade isn't in the same universe as MC, so I would not have posted the same thing.
Right, but Car3no is clearly our best player and we're clearly a much better team with him than without him.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2015, 10:48:16 PM
Right, but Car3no is clearly our best player and we're clearly a much better team with him than without him.
But the equivalency isn't there. Wade was the best player on that team, but in another universe compared to MC. Carlino is the best player on this team, but I don't see the separation at all compared to Wade. We're a better team with Carlino in the short term, but not by a country mile. Carlino is one of those guys IMO that is good enough to keep you in games because of his shooting, but just a touch NOT good enough that we overly relied on him in games we could have won and lost by too much MC. There are guys like this. Not his fault.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2015, 03:09:21 PM
But the equivalency isn't there. Wade was the best player on that team, but in another universe compared to MC. Carlino is the best player on this team, but I don't see the separation at all compared to Wade. We're a better team with Carlino in the short term, but not by a country mile. Carlino is one of those guys IMO that is good enough to keep you in games because of his shooting, but just a touch NOT good enough that we overly relied on him in games we could have won and lost by too much MC. There are guys like this. Not his fault.
I can see what you're saying and I can see the problem with Carlino if we had other talent around him, but we really don't. In my opinion, with this team, there is no such thing as too much Carlino. I would rather have Carlino shooting a contested 3 pointer than I would have Juan, Derrick, JJJ, Steve, or Luke shoot an uncontested jumper/3 pointer. I'd take an uncontested Sandy and Duane jumper over a well contested Carlino jumper. But in my opinion Carlino's shot selection has been pretty dang good this year. Of course there have been some poor shots/decisions, but that happens with every basketball player at every level. Carlino and Duane are the only 2 guys who I have confidence in making a play on this team. I do have confidence that JJJ can finish at the rim when he's coming off of a screen and not simply trying to break down a defender off the bounce from the top of the key. I do have confidence that Luke can finish in the post when he catches it in good position. But in my mind, if Carlino sees an opening to shoot, I hope he takes it. This team simply doesn't have other scorers around to justify looking for better shots. A contested Carlino 3 is oftentimes the best shot we'll get on our offense. We truly lack that much talent on this team right now, unfortunately.
Carlino and Duane are the only 2 guys who are currently able to be offensive difference makers at the high major division 1 level. Luke can certainly get there, Sandy shows some flashes, JJJ has some moments. But at the moment there are very few shots that I don't like coming from Duane and Carlino.
Quote from: keefe on February 14, 2015, 04:04:50 PM
I thought it started when the Japanese invaded Poland?
I thought Poland invaded Japan after they conquered Fiji on horseback?
It will be a difficult transition from Brent's dysfunctional style with dysfunctional or "chip on shoulder" kids to Wojo's style of stable kids from stable backgrounds. Brent did a good job of finding some pearls within his recruitment pool. So will Wojo. Unfortunately, there's very little crossover.