I think MU would be a very dangerous team in the NIT if they can get there. Considering last year's snub, what, if anything, will it take to get there??
West Virginia was the lowest ranked RPI team last year in the NIT at 92. (Marquette was 94.)
Before yesterday, Marquette was 115. They now have 7 games remaining in the regular season, plus the BET. Honestly I would think it would need to be 6-1, or 5-2 plus a run to the semis of the BET.
I don't think either of these are terribly realistic.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on February 08, 2015, 10:38:27 AM
I think MU would be a very dangerous team in the NIT if they can get there. Considering last year's snub, what, if anything, will it take to get there??
They won't make it under .500. 5 of their next 7 games are against top 50 RPI teams. They will be favored in 1 of the next 7 games. They need to go 5-2 in their next 7 with at least 1 win in the big east tournament, so 6-3. I believe they will need to beat two of the top 50 teams they play. Even then it may be difficult, they'll be a fringe top 100 team RPI. Last year they finished 17-15 and didn't even get invited to the CBI.
I'd say .500 in league play would be needed- we did get some help ASU beating Zona yesterday prol gave us a little boost
Quote from: Warrior of Law on February 08, 2015, 10:38:27 AM
I think MU would be a very dangerous team in the NIT if they can get there. Considering last year's snub, what, if anything, will it take to get there??
It will take 18 wins for us, which will not happen, unless we reel off 6 more in a row.
Another year, hey?
5-2 gets us on the NIT bubble. 2-5 is more likely.
NIT takes all conference regular season champions now that don't make the NCAA. It is much harder to get into the NIT then it used to be for big programs. In the past, big programs got in because they could sell tickets, but those spots have been diminished due to conference reg season champs.
Safe to say, the only tournament MU is going to this year would be the NCAA tournament, which would require winning the Big East conference tournament. Not doing that, and we are home this year.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 08, 2015, 10:51:45 AM
Last year they finished 17-15 and didn't even get invited to the CBI.
Pretty sure they opted out of all tournaments after being left out of the NIT so they could get Buzz out the door and start their search for a new coach. My guess is we would have ben welcomed into the CBI with open arms.
I think Marquette can make the NIT. Going 6-1 in conference means a few quality wins (Nova, @Butler, @Providence for example.) A second round BET win would help as well.
A pair of Ellensons, Haanif, NN (if healthy), Heldt, a couple of JUCO's.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on February 08, 2015, 10:52:25 AM
I'd say .500 in league play would be needed- we did get some help ASU beating Zona yesterday prol gave us a little boost
ASU is still below .500 in conference and 11-12 overall. Them beating Arizona is an upset--nothing more. We get no "bonus" consideration for beating them.
I would think we need to reach 17 or 18 wins (combination of regular season and tournament) to have some realistic chance--and a lot of help based on lack of upsets or late season surges by similar teams.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 08, 2015, 12:35:40 PM
ASU is still below .500 in conference and 11-12 overall. Them beating Arizona is an upset--nothing more. We get no "bonus" consideration for beating them.
I would think we need to reach 17 or 18 wins (combination of regular season and tournament) to have some realistic chance--and a lot of help based on lack of upsets or late season surges by similar teams.
And as Chicos pointed out, a lot of conference champions winning conference tournaments.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2015, 11:40:48 AM
A pair of Ellensons, Haanif, NN (if healthy), Heldt, a couple of JUCO's.
Well played
Who cares, the NIT is lame.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 08, 2015, 11:39:12 AM
Pretty sure they opted out of all tournaments after being left out of the NIT so they could get Buzz out the door and start their search for a new coach. My guess is we would have ben welcomed into the CBI with open arms.
Nothing to do with Buzz. Schools like Marquette don't pay to get into the CBI.
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Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on February 08, 2015, 01:50:29 PM
Who cares, the NIT is lame.
More games for a young team is a good thing.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2015, 11:40:48 AM
A pair of Ellensons, Haanif, NN (if healthy), Heldt, a couple of JUCO's.
I was thinking that was the prescription for an NCAA bid.
Who can ever forget one of Marquette's most shameful moments - being humiliated by Western Michigan.
NIT? Not Interested, Thanks.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 08, 2015, 02:21:07 PM
More games for a young team is a good thing.
Not that young - three senior starters. But I wouldn't mind if the 4 young guys could get more games under their belt.
Out of curiousity, does Marquette pay bonuses to coaches for post season play (regardless of which tournament)? If so, then last year's decision was a no brainer. This year they have a coach they like.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 08, 2015, 02:38:33 PM
Not that young - three senior starters. But I wouldn't mind if the 4 young guys could get more games under their belt.
Perhaps we end up in the CBI. Start the underclassmen then and bring the seniors off the bench.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 08, 2015, 03:02:18 PM
Perhaps we end up in the CBI. Start the underclassmen then and bring the seniors off the bench.
I would hope MU has a little bit of pride and says no thanks to the CBI.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on February 08, 2015, 03:40:52 PM
I would hope MU has a little bit of pride and says no thanks to the CBI.
Yea, CBI is being slobbering drunk and alone at bar time, aina?
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on February 08, 2015, 01:50:29 PM
Who cares, the NIT is lame.
You don't want to see what happens when our end of game offense gets five less seconds to stand around before Carlino throws something up?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 08, 2015, 10:51:45 AM
They won't make it under .500. 5 of their next 7 games are against top 50 RPI teams. They will be favored in 1 of the next 7 games. They need to go 5-2 in their next 7 with at least 1 win in the big east tournament, so 6-3. I believe they will need to beat two of the top 50 teams they play. Even then it may be difficult, they'll be a fringe top 100 team RPI. Last year they finished 17-15 and didn't even get invited to the CBI.
I'd be very surprised if they aren't favored by a point or two on Tuesday. Also would expect the same against Depaul and St. John's. Keep in mind, we we were very close to and likely should have beaten butler and gtown at home in addition to beating providence. That's 3 of the top 4 teams in the league. Vegas will have us a 1 or 2 point favorite even without carlino
Interesting rules for this year's NIT...
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-02-06/experimental-rules-be-used-during-2015-nit-include-30-second
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on February 08, 2015, 03:40:52 PM
I would hope MU has a little bit of pride and says no thanks to the CBI.
Other years yes. This year would be worth it to get more experience.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 08, 2015, 04:44:15 PM
Other years yes. This year would be worth it to get more experience.
Exactly. Last year (and to an extent-this year) is the bottoming out of the program. We need experience and exposure to tournament play. MU is in no position to turn down anything. Perhaps a strong run to finish gets the NIT which would show a lot of growth.
2 straight years of no post season play sucks
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 08, 2015, 02:17:42 PM
Agree. Loser's tournament.
Better to watch other teams or wait until next season? If it is so lame why are we wondering if we will get in? If it is so lame would you put an NIT trophy in the closet? Was your HS conference or state tournament also so lame? Let's be realistic in our expectations. Any step forward is positive and an NIT bid would be a step forward from last year.
I'm down for the NIT.
That means this season was salvaged. I would like to see the young bucks run the post-season.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 08, 2015, 05:04:07 PM
2 straight years of no post season play sucks
Yup. Next year, we will have a team full of freshmen, sophs, and juniors that have never played a post season game. Not a recipe for March success.
My biggest worry is that Ellenson has a very good year as a freshman and then bolts to the NBA as a lottery pick. We will they be saying the same thing that so many other schools say, "if only Henry had stayed for another year..."
College bball ain't what it used to be, IMO. I've been watching slightly less every year for the past 5 years.
NIT or CBI - it's good for these guys and for the program. It's more games, it's still a tournament atmosphere (win or go home), it gives the (totally new) staff a chance to learn how to prep for tournament games. Everything from the travel to the logistics to the scouting to the game strategy would be new for this group and a "dry run" will be beneficial for everyone.
Quote from: Class71 on February 08, 2015, 05:21:45 PM
Better to watch other teams or wait until next season? If it is so lame why are we wondering if we will get in? If it is so lame would you put an NIT trophy in the closet? Was your HS conference or state tournament also so lame? Let's be realistic in our expectations. Any step forward is positive and an NIT bid would be a step forward from last year.
I'm not wondering if we get in. If we don't win the BEast tournament I'm ready for our season to be done. The NIT is lame and the CBI is a joke. Would you honestly be excited to win the CBI? I think Wojo needs to set a standard of excellence and let people know the CBI is not acceptable and we won't waste our time on that. I can understand going to the NIT, as it's not the joke that the CBI is. However, I still think the NIT is lame and wouldn't get excited about making it. For programs like MU, it's big dance or bust!
Taylor is only person on next year's team that will any tournament expereince, if we do not go to a tournament this year. I believe any kind of tournament experience is important. Besides that I rather watch my team play in the CBI, then go thtough last year without any kind of post season. The offseason is long enough.
Of course the NIT is good for the program, come on. Going 2 years without a post-season means you went two years of not being one of the top 100 teams in the country, and that's entirely unacceptable.
Fine, they're roughly mathematically eliminated from the NCAA. Not so for the NIT, so let's just say the boys should have that as their goal right now. Either that, or just forfeit the rest of the year.
Ask the 1970 team if the NIT was worthwhile. Or the team under Crean that had to play in the Arena and made a deep run. I'd be pumped to play post season ball. Bet every man on the team feels the same way. ::)
Ah, what T-Cubed team was that?
Quote from: jsglow on February 08, 2015, 06:36:22 PM
Ask the 1970 team if the NIT was worthwhile. Or the team under Crean that had to play in the Arena and made a deep run. I'd be pumped to play post season ball. Bet every man on the team feels the same way. ::)
I'm sure you would be lol. It isn't 1970 and the NIT doesnt have the prestige it used to have. I said I understand going to the NIT, not the CBI. I just don't have any excitement or interest for it. Just my opinion.
The team that played in the Arena was the '94-95 team coached by Mike Deane. It was a transition year (not unlike 2014-15) after KO and three big seniors left. That NIT run set the table for some nice NCAA teams the next several seasons. Obviously, everyone in the program is going to work as hard as they can to win every game, but if there is any light at the end of the tunnel for a post-season tournament, it would be a great reward for the players, and certainly help build momentum into 2015-16.
You know it's a prestigious tournament when they implement experimental rules changes to see if they should apply them to the regular season :P
Still, nobody turns down the NIT. Some younger, talented teams make a decent run when it's something to play for; we're that type of team this year and not the proud program that has an embarrassing year and craps out early because they don't want to be in it in the first place.
Maybe ax the dudes how Crean coached them up vs WMU, hey? ;D
Not happening
I would take any form of postseason play, including the CBI, because I feel the seniors deserve it and the kids could benefit from it. I'm sure the fan attention wouldn't be as high, but who cares?
As far as the NIT, 5-2 gets us on the bubble. Seems unlikely at best, though you may need a winning record for CBI, so 5 wins may be needed for that too.
I believe Siena won the CBI last year and they were sub-.500.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on February 08, 2015, 01:50:29 PM
Who cares, the NIT is lame.
Time and situation matter.
Plenty of high profile programs have used the NIT to springboard into next season. If we are fortunate enough to get a bid, you take it with this group and don't even think twice. I would be surprised if we get a bid, but if you get it you take it and give the kids experience.
If we think the NIT is lame, then take down the NIT banners.....personally, I don't find it lame at all. Is it better to be in the NIT or nothing at all? I'd say the NIT.
I'm not sure I feel the same about the CBI....at least with the NIT you are taking on conference champions...not the case with the CBI, though major programs or programs from major conferences do participate. Pitt, Texas A&M, Oregon, Oregon State, VCU, Saint Louis, UTEP, Creighton, Washington State, Penn State, Purdue, etc, have all been in that tournament in the last 5 to 7 years, but that one is tougher to see the benefit IMO. This is especially true with the change in format by the NIT where conference champions go there and don't slip to the CBI like they used to. In other words, the CBI is weaker than ever.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on February 08, 2015, 05:59:50 PM
I'm not wondering if we get in. If we don't win the BEast tournament I'm ready for our season to be done. The NIT is lame and the CBI is a joke. Would you honestly be excited to win the CBI? I think Wojo needs to set a standard of excellence and let people know the CBI is not acceptable and we won't waste our time on that. I can understand going to the NIT, as it's not the joke that the CBI is. However, I still think the NIT is lame and wouldn't get excited about making it. For programs like MU, it's big dance or bust!
You are entitled to you opinion. You will also be very frustrated if you apply that same logic to your goals. Only one can win it all so in essence, other than being that one person or team, you will ultimately be disappointed. With that disappointment the ability/desire to strive for being number one after moderate successes or, in your opinion failures (I.e. NIT), will doom you to ultimate failure. Winners get there one step at a time, enjoying small successes along the way while striving for the ultimate golden ring. Failure is the prelude to success and to be more determined after failure is the measure of a potential winner.
Quote from: Class71 on February 08, 2015, 08:56:23 PM
You are entitled to you opinion. You will also be very frustrated if you apply that same logic to your goals. Only one can win it all so in essence, other than being that one person or team, you will ultimately be disappointed. With that disappointment the ability/desire to strive for being number one after moderate successes or, in your opinion failures (I.e. NIT), will doom you to ultimate failure. Winners get there one step at a time, enjoying small successes along the way while striving for the ultimate golden ring. Failure is the prelude to success and to be more determined after failure is the measure of a potential winner.
7-0 - NCAA Bubble (dreamin')
5-2 - NIT Bubble (still kinda dreamin')
I would love to watch MU in the NIT this year, and probably would watch the CBI but would be far from excited about it.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on February 08, 2015, 07:33:25 PM
The team that played in the Arena was the '94-95 team coached by Mike Deane. It was a transition year (not unlike 2014-15) after KO and three big seniors left. That NIT run set the table for some nice NCAA teams the next several seasons. Obviously, everyone in the program is going to work as hard as they can to win every game, but if there is any light at the end of the tunnel for a post-season tournament, it would be a great reward for the players, and certainly help build momentum into 2015-16.
Thanks for the correction.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 08, 2015, 08:17:45 PM
Time and situation matter.
If we think the NIT is lame, then take down the NIT banners.....
Time and situation matter.
When we were runner up in 1967 and champions in 1970 the NIT was anything but lame. Since 64, 66 or 68 teams started getting in the real tournament it is. Any NIT banners since then (especially non championship ones) are a joke and should come down.
Time and situation matter.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 08, 2015, 08:58:27 PM
7-0 - NCAA Bubble (dreamin')
5-2 - NIT Bubble (still kinda dreamin')
I would love to watch MU in the NIT this year, and probably would watch the CBI but would be far from excited about it.
Understood but it gives a team or an individual sufficient hope that there is progress and, therefore, the incentive to work harder. With incremental goals being met they get the energy to move to the next level of sacrifice to obtain the next goal.
As a fan, well, we are just passengers on the observation ballon. We sacrifice very little to watch someone's struggle for success. We also do not fully understand their feeling of success after years of struggle. What you saw when Al cried after the national championship may give you and idea. All I can say is the struggle are memories over many years while the win is just a beautiful, precious moment. In a way both memories are fulfilling.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 08, 2015, 09:09:51 PM
Time and situation matter.
When we were runner up in 1967 and champions in 1970 the NIT was anything but lame. Since 64, 66 or 68 teams started getting in the real tournament it is. Any NIT banners since then (especially non championship ones) are a joke and should come down.
Time and situation matter.
Sure, the bar of the NIT is lower than in the past but using that same logic obtaining an NCAA bid with more than 32 teams is lower than in the past but we still want one. The bar is lower for both goals but both help a team along the path to the ultimate prize. We all need intermediate goals to obtain that ultimate prize. Try to reach success without them, it doesn't work.
Quote from: Class71 on February 08, 2015, 09:18:35 PM
Understood but it gives a team or an individual sufficient hope that there is progress and, therefore, the incentive to work harder. With incremental goals being met they get the energy to move to the next level of sacrifice to obtain the next goal.
As a fan, well, we are just passengers on the observation ballon. We sacrifice very little to watch someone's struggle for success. We also do not fully understand their feeling of success after years of struggle. What you saw when Al cried after the national championship may give you and idea. All I can say is the struggle are memories over many years while the win is just a beautiful, precious moment. In a way both memories are fulfilling.
Sorry, wasn't disagreeing with you and actually didn't mean to quote your post.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 08, 2015, 09:36:57 PM
Sorry, wasn't disagreeing with you and actually didn't mean to quote your post.
No worries, I can only talk about my own experiences and try to generalize to other situations. All I can say are sometimes small successes and failures early on and how we respond to them have a major impact on obtaining those longer term objectives. One thing is clear, however, great successes demand great sacrifices.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 08, 2015, 08:58:27 PM
7-0 - NCAA Bubble (dreamin')
5-2 - NIT Bubble (still kinda dreamin')
I would love to watch MU in the NIT this year, and probably would watch the CBI but would be far from excited about it.
I'd watch the boyz if they make the NIT, but I'm never going to say in a casual conversation with a fellow hoops fan that my team is "on the NIT bubble."
I would be very pleased to see the team qualify for the NIT. There are always very good teams in the field, and even more so this year. Winning the tournament or getting to the final requires a very strong effort. It is also a nice springboard into the next season. It would really help our younger players to play in the tournament. Yes we always strive for the NCAA but this year the NIT is a very worthwhile and laudable goal.
Hoping for the CBI at this point. Would be valuable post season experience for the younger guys
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2015, 11:30:32 PM
Hoping for the CBI at this point. Would be valuable post season experience for the younger guys
Agreed and If we got in and won it there is some merit. Would add 5 wins to record. More important 5 more games of coaching experience for the coach.
Quote from: jsglow on February 08, 2015, 09:05:57 PM
Thanks for the correction.
Crean had the 2004 run to the Quarterfinals where we lost to Iowa State, maybe that popped in as being the deep run under TC?
It feels like getting out of the first weekend of the tournament for 3 years in a row was a decade ago with how long these last two seasons have been, especially if we have no post season for a second straight year.
Quote from: MUMonster03 on February 09, 2015, 09:55:57 AM
It feels like getting out of the first weekend of the tournament for 3 years in a row was a decade ago with how long these last two seasons have been, especially if we have no post season for a second straight year.
Thanks to the phony downhome hillbilly. Thanks Burt!
Quote from: Marqwarrior89 on February 08, 2015, 04:21:06 PM
I'd be very surprised if they aren't favored by a point or two on Tuesday. Also would expect the same against Depaul and St. John's. Keep in mind, we we were very close to and likely should have beaten butler and gtown at home in addition to beating providence. That's 3 of the top 4 teams in the league. Vegas will have us a 1 or 2 point favorite even without carlino
It's possible, typically vegas doesn't move far from kenpom predictions. Depaul is the only game MU is predicted to win. Although the St John's game is only a 1 point loss at home, so may get benefit as a 1 point favorite. I doubt we're favored at Creighton, Kenpom has Creighton by 2, pick em at best. There is a reason they lose close games, they aren't deep and can't consistently score down the stretch.
Quote from: MUMonster03 on February 09, 2015, 09:51:30 AM
Crean had the 2004 run to the Quarterfinals where we lost to Iowa State, maybe that popped in as being the deep run under TC?
I remember that too. I'm just recalling how much fun it was to play tournament games in a packed arena like back in my day.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 09, 2015, 10:33:10 AM
It's possible, typically vegas doesn't move far from kenpom predictions. Depaul is the only game MU is predicted to win. Although the St John's game is only a 1 point loss at home, so may get benefit as a 1 point favorite. I doubt we're favored at Creighton, Kenpom has Creighton by 2, pick em at best. There is a reason they lose close games, they aren't deep and can't consistently score down the stretch.
I'll go check over at the Red Rock sports book and let you boys know.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 08, 2015, 09:09:51 PM
Time and situation matter.
When we were runner up in 1967 and champions in 1970 the NIT was anything but lame. Since 64, 66 or 68 teams started getting in the real tournament it is. Any NIT banners since then (especially non championship ones) are a joke and should come down.
Time and situation matter.
I agree. Though honestly I think we should just have a single banner showing tournament years. I have one in my room that was from the AL (goes to 2008) that shows every NCAA and NIT year. I think that'd be a nice banner to have in the Bradley
Let me see, for us to get to the NIT, we will have to be near-perfect in the rest of the regular season and win at least one of our BE tournament games.
That means we'll have to beat Villanova at home, Butler, Providence and Creighton on the road and make sure we do not slip against St. John's and Depaul at home.
How many of you people really think based on what we've seen this year, we can do this? I'd like to think we could, but this is a VERY, VERY tall order.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 09, 2015, 11:08:18 AM
I agree. Though honestly I think we should just have a single banner showing tournament years. I have one in my room that was from the AL (goes to 2008) that shows every NCAA and NIT year. I think that'd be a nice banner to have in the Bradley
I thought we did have one at the Bradley Center or did it get taken down when they changed the banners a few years ago? Been a while since I have been to a game in Milwaukee. I agree that only NIT championship banners should go up, but I have no problem with a special Final Four banner since it is quite an accomplishment to make it that far let alone win it as was mentioned in another thread about the late Dean Smith, 11 trips, only 2 championships.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 09, 2015, 11:21:05 AM
Let me see, for us to get to the NIT, we will have to be near-perfect in the rest of the regular season and win at least one of our BE tournament games.
That means we'll have to beat Villanova at home, Butler, Providence and Creighton on the road and make sure we do not slip against St. John's and Depaul at home.
How many of you people really think based on what we've seen this year, we can do this? I'd like to think we could, but this is a VERY, VERY tall order.
I mean, if we're going to win those 6 we might as well just win at home against Xavier and one in the BET to get in the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: MUMonster03 on February 09, 2015, 11:28:45 AM
I thought we did have one at the Bradley Center or did it get taken down when they changed the banners a few years ago? Been a while since I have been to a game in Milwaukee. I agree that only NIT championship banners should go up, but I have no problem with a special Final Four banner since it is quite an accomplishment to make it that far let alone win it as was mentioned in another thread about the late Dean Smith, 11 trips, only 2 championships.
There is a banner at the Bradley Center that lists all NCAA and NIT appearances that includes the year. Im cool with championship and F4 banners.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 09, 2015, 11:21:05 AMThat means we'll have to beat Villanova at home, Butler, Providence and Creighton on the road and make sure we do not slip against St. John's and Depaul at home.
How many of you people really think based on what we've seen this year, we can do this? I'd like to think we could, but this is a VERY, VERY tall order.
It is a very tall order, but I wouldn't call it impossible specifically because of what we've seen this year. This team has fought all the way in every game. Nova was the only team that actually seemed to outclass us.
Was the Seton Hall win much different than the games at Xavier, St John's, or at home against Georgetown or Butler? The only difference was finally getting over that last 4 minute hump and winning.
I don't think we will go the 5-2 we need for the NIT or the 4-3 we probably need for the CBI, but I do believe we are capable of it. Hell, had we held on against DePaul, Xavier, St John's, Georgetown, and Butler we'd be discussing NCAA seeding. This team has been in position to win. It's unlikely they'll make postseason play, but based on what we've seen, there's no reason to doubt their capability.
Based on my math.
To go 5-2 or better, there is a 2.5% chance.
To go 4-3 or better, there is a 10% chance.
The most likely scenario (52%) is that MU wins two more games, finishing at 13-17.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on February 09, 2015, 02:51:42 PM
Based on my math.
To go 5-2 or better, there is a 2.5% chance.
To go 4-3 or better, there is a 10% chance.
The most likely scenario (52%) is that MU wins two more games, finishing at 13-17.
13-17, huh? That coupled with last year's 17-15....Hmmm.....thank you Bert!
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 09, 2015, 11:08:18 AM
I agree. Though honestly I think we should just have a single banner showing tournament years. I have one in my room that was from the AL (goes to 2008) that shows every NCAA and NIT year. I think that'd be a nice banner to have in the Bradley
We do, or did at least.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on February 09, 2015, 02:51:42 PM
Based on my math.
To go 5-2 or better, there is a 2.5% chance.
To go 4-3 or better, there is a 10% chance.
The most likely scenario (52%) is that MU wins two more games, finishing at 13-17.
Obviously it's unlikely, but had we held on to sizable second half leads against DePaul, Xavier, St John's, and Butler, all the projections would be notably different. I would guess in at least a few of those games that we lost the other teams had less than a 10% chance to win.
Look, if they make a tournament, wonderful. I'll cheer 'em on though I cannot envision them going very far.
If we don't make the NIT, at this point, I'm not that upset. In fact, it may be a blessing. If I'm Wojo, I take my returning team members, sit them down and talk about margin for error. I talk about the fact that many have raised here -- we were able to hang on against Georgetown, Butler, DePaul et al, we'd be talking an eight or a nine seed in the NCAA. I'd be talking about free throws that clanged off a rim. Or perhaps bad decisions late in games that went against our strengths.
Or just simply not using the noggin the way we know our players can.
I'd be talking about having a chip on my shoulder. I'd talk about how each is going to get better so that when the cavalry shows up in September, we're p*ssed and we chew through next year like a chain saw through balsa wood.
I'm not Wojo, but I'll bet he'll do something close to that.
Quote from: jsglow on February 09, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
I'll go check over at the Red Rock sports book and let you boys know.
Xavier is a 3 point favorite. A bit surprised there's a line with Carlino listed as questionable.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on February 09, 2015, 02:51:42 PM
Based on my math.
To go 5-2 or better, there is a 2.5% chance.
To go 4-3 or better, there is a 10% chance.
The most likely scenario (52%) is that MU wins two more games, finishing at 13-17.
Will Wojo course correct, or will he pull another Buzz from last year? Then again if he course corrects and relegates Derrick to the bench for 30 minutes a game and we end up winning 4 or 5 of our last 7 games (which currently stand less than a 10% chance of happening), he'll have to answer for it and deal with the egg on his face.
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 06:34:47 PM
Will Wojo course correct, or will he pull another Buzz from last year? Then again if he course corrects and relegates Derrick to the bench for 30 minutes a game and we end up winning 4 or 5 of our last 7 games (which currently stand less than a 10% chance of happening), he'll have to answer for it and deal with the egg on his face.
No he won't. Other players weren't producing before. If they produce better than Derrick from here on out than Wojo will be a stud for inspiring mid season growth.
All a matter of perspective. I don't think Wojo's head is so big that he would give up wins just to prove a point.
Quote from: NersEllenson on February 10, 2015, 06:34:47 PM
Will Wojo course correct, or will he pull another Buzz from last year? Then again if he course corrects and relegates Derrick to the bench for 30 minutes a game and we end up winning 4 or 5 of our last 7 games (which currently stand less than a 10% chance of happening), he'll have to answer for it and deal with the egg on his face.
Go back to the JJJ thread.
MU is going nowhere but home when the season ends.
The people talking about the NIT this year are the same ones that had us "on the bubble" last year.
We never were last year and we ain't goin' anywhere this year
Quote from: brandx on February 10, 2015, 11:29:24 PM
The people talking about the NIT this year are the same ones that had us "on the bubble" last year.
We never were last year and we ain't goin' anywhere this year
It's similar to last year. 11 total Big East wins for the NCAA, but because of the league's RPI we can probably make the NIT with 9. Neither are likely happening, but that's the path.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 10, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
No he won't. Other players weren't producing before. If they produce better than Derrick from here on out than Wojo will be a stud for inspiring mid season growth.
All a matter of perspective. I don't think Wojo's head is so big that he would give up wins just to prove a point.
Hey TAMU--wake up. All of our Guards are producing more than Derrick. There is no "if" in the equation. But we all like to watch Derrick play that elite style for 40 minutes a game.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 11, 2015, 06:49:03 AM
Hey TAMU--wake up. All of our Guards are producing more than Derrick. There is no "if" in the equation. But we all like to watch Derrick play that elite style for 40 minutes a game.
I think what we're saying here is that point guard in college basketball is very important. The previous GM didn't put much value on that area over the years, IMO.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 11, 2015, 08:34:26 AM
I think what we're saying here is that point guard in college basketball is very important. The previous GM didn't put much value on that area over the years, IMO.
You would be correct sir
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 11, 2015, 08:34:26 AM
I think what we're saying here is that point guard in college basketball is very important. The previous GM didn't put much value on that area over the years, IMO.
Well he did sign Junior Cadougan and Duane Wilson, who were top 100 players.
He also looked at players like Chris Jones (currently at Louisville), both immediately out of high school and as a Juco.
But the entire story of Marquette's back court the past two years were way too many recruiting mistakes. Jamail Jones...TJ Taylor...Jamal Ferguson...Derrick Wilson...John Dawson. A lot of wasted scholarships.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 11, 2015, 08:34:26 AM
I think what we're saying here is that point guard in college basketball is very important. The previous GM didn't put much value on that area over the years, IMO.
By previous GM, you must be referring to "Golly Ma'm", the Buzzster. Yes the guy that would be at MU as long as they wanted him sure left the program in good shape for his successor. Thank you, Burt, which we are all sure that Wojo seconds every day.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 11, 2015, 09:12:34 AM
Well he did sign Junior Cadougan and Duane Wilson, who were top 100 players.
He also looked at players like Chris Jones (currently at Louisville), both immediately out of high school and as a Juco.
But the entire story of Marquette's back court the past two years were way too many recruiting mistakes. Jamail Jones...TJ Taylor...Jamal Ferguson...Derrick Wilson...John Dawson. A lot of wasted scholarships.
And the list of players that were very interested in MU that Buzz missed on by not going after hard enough, misevaluating their talent or outright screwing over:
Jeremy Lamb
DJ Newbill
Kris Dunn
Riley LaChance
Oh, and Jabari Parker who during a Milwaukee radio interview from shortly after last years draft said he was very interested Marquette but Buzz didn't really recruit him.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 11, 2015, 09:14:50 AM
By previous GM, you must be referring to "Golly Ma'm", the Buzzster.
Correct, Willie - the "Buzzster", AKA the most successful GM at MU since the "Alster".
Quote from: willie warrior on February 11, 2015, 09:14:50 AM
By previous GM, you must be referring to "Golly Ma'm", the Buzzster. Yes the guy that would be at MU as long as they wanted him sure left the program in good shape for his successor. Thank you, Burt, which we are all sure that Wojo seconds every day.
When the administration wouldn't give him his way, Bumstead interpreted that as " no longer havin' him," aina?
Quote from: Lazars Headband on February 11, 2015, 09:20:54 AM
And the list of players that were very interested in MU that Buzz missed on by not going after hard enough, misevaluating their talent or outright screwing over:
Jeremy Lamb
DJ Newbill
Kris Dunn
Riley LaChance
Oh, and Jabari Parker who during a Milwaukee radio interview from shortly after last years draft said he was very interested Marquette but Buzz didn't really recruit him.
Bumstead whiffed on all them, hey?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 10, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
No he won't. Other players weren't producing before. If they produce better than Derrick from here on out than Wojo will be a stud for inspiring mid season growth.
All a matter of perspective. I don't think Wojo's head is so big that he would give up wins just to prove a point.
This is funny.
Quote from: Lazars Headband on February 11, 2015, 09:20:54 AM
And the list of players that were very interested in MU that Buzz missed on by not going after hard enough, misevaluating their talent or outright screwing over:
Jeremy Lamb
DJ Newbill
Kris Dunn
Riley LaChance
Oh, and Jabari Parker who during a Milwaukee radio interview from shortly after last years draft said he was very interested Marquette but Buzz didn't really recruit him.
Newbill means no Jamil (not going into the ethics debate...just the reality)
Lamb means no Davante (I think I have that right)
Would it be considered a downer if we qualified for the NIT but MU decided to decline the invitation?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 12, 2015, 12:03:24 PM
Would it be considered a downer if we qualified for the NIT but MU decided to decline the invitation?
MU would probably need to go 5-1 for the rest of the regular season to get an NIT bid.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 12, 2015, 12:04:27 PM
MU would probably need to go 5-1 for the rest of the regular season to get an NIT bid.
No chance at 5-1, no chance for any tourny, for what, they are awful. It is time for Juan and Derrick to move on.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 12, 2015, 12:06:53 PM
No chance at 5-1, no chance for any tourny, for what, they are awful. It is time for Juan and Derrick to move on.
There is a chance. Trust me, I am well aware this team is cooked. But if they go 5-1 and 2-1 in the BET (is never going to happen), there is a chance. 18-15 is going to be a bubble NIT team.
What will it take to get the NIT?
... at least another season
The only bubbles surroundin' this team will be either from soap or self generated while takin' a bath, aina?
Quote from: Michael Kenyon on February 12, 2015, 12:20:23 PM
What will it take to get the NIT?
Jesus will walk on an unfrozen Milwaukee River before we make it to any, post-season games in March.
Milwaukee has a better chance of an average afternoon high of 70 than we do of making a post-season tournament.
I have a better chance of growing my hair back than Marquette does of making a post-season tournament.
Get the picture.....