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I like Carlino, think he is an absolutely wonderful skilled shooter and tough as nails player. BUT, I think we stand around too much and watch him play, it slows our movement, and grinds down our offense. IMO
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2015, 01:12:22 PM
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I like Carlino, think he is an absolutely wonderful skilled shooter and tough as nails player. BUT, I think we stand around too much and watch him play, it slows our movement, and grinds down our offense. IMO
Agreed
Would have loved him in the game down the stretch to shoot free throws. Of course, MU was turning the ball over enough that SH didn't need to foul that much.
Offense looked more fluid. Maybe Carlino should be moved off of PG, especially when Derrick is in.
Well, I guess I'm trying to figure out how today was that much different. Seemed to. Be the same story other than JJJ driving, sometimes out of control, but mostly with effect.
I think O is better with Carlino but he takes too many defensive possessions off trying to save his legs/shot.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 07, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
Offense looked more fluid. Maybe Carlino should be moved off of PG, especially when Derrick is in.
I think Ners might be in the hospital after Wilson picked up his dribble before half court near the end of the game. Woof. That was bad.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 07, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
Offense looked more fluid. Maybe Carlino should be moved off of PG, especially when Derrick is in.
WTF?????
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2015, 01:16:23 PM
I think Ners might be in the hospital after Wilson picked up his dribble before half court near the end of the game. Woof. That was bad.
Yes it was.
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2015, 01:14:55 PM
Would have loved him in the game down the stretch to shoot free throws. Of course, MU was turning the ball over enough that SH didn't need to foul that much.
We didn't need him to win. Team played better.
A more disciplined (selective) Carlino and an effort like today could pay dividends. Run the offense, play a team game. MU has definitely needed Matt's energy this year hope he gets healthy/concussion cleared and back soon.
Could also be the psychology of things. Your "best" player is out, so everyone feels the need to step up. Could be a short term bump and not sustaining, but I did like the movement a bit better, and actually now knowing who was going to take the shot was as interesting for me as I'm sure it was complex for the Hall. The predictability went down.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2015, 01:21:02 PM
Could also be the psychology of things. Your "best" player is out, so everyone feels the need to step up. Could be a short term bump and not sustaining, but I did like the movement a bit better, and actually now knowing who was going to take the shot was as interesting for me as I'm sure it was complex for the Hall. The predictability went down.
Exactly. Maybe when Matt's inserted back into the lineup this performance will help us figure some things out. But to say we're better without Carlino in is silly. We were super one-dimensional and lucky that Seton Hall played horribly almost the entire game.
Quote from: Ellenson_toMU14 on February 07, 2015, 01:28:52 PM
Exactly. Maybe when Matt's inserted back into the lineup this performance will help us figure some things out. But to say we're better without Carlino in is silly. We were super one-dimensional and lucky that Seton Hall played horribly almost the entire game.
I think we were better today....question is whether it is sustainable.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 07, 2015, 01:18:18 PM
WTF?????
Maybe we have a different definition of what a PG is, but I think it could be at least looked at. Move Carlino off the ball and get him off of some screens. Late in the game, of course, Carlino can be the one bringing the ball up under pressure.
Derrick was terrible offensively today. The team shot 1-10 from 3 and wasn't much better on medium range jump shots. Carlino could have helped with both of those.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 07, 2015, 01:40:08 PM
Maybe we have a different definition of what a PG is, but I think it could be at least looked at. Move Carlino off the ball and get him off of some screens. Late in the game, of course, Carlino can be the one bringing the ball up under pressure.
Carlino does play off the ball. If derrick is in there he is running point and Carlino runs off screens, this has been our offense all year. The only time Carlino plays point is when Derrick is on the bench, and thats about 8-10 minutes a game.
With Matt out, MU's offense was better spaced and set Luke deep in the paint. Why? For the first time all year, Steve and Luke played at the same time. Steve doing what he does best which is face the basket or flashing the free throw line, or setting the high pick with the roll instead of Luke. Luke then could concentrate owning the paint and sealing, drawing fouls. Wojo has been reluctant to play them together because of foul trouble but the reality is there is less foul trouble with both of them in the game together as they can cover to their strengths. Add in that JjJ is the best dribble drive penetrator on the team. Great pre-game adjustment by the coach.
That said, enough with our seniors and coach with the turnovers and holding the time outs at the end of the game. Love their effort but MU needs to go young and play for the future. The brain cramps are getting old.
Seton Hall was awful today. It was a fluke win. In my opinion it had nothing to do with Carlinos absence.
Going into today, Carlino has 320 points for Marquette. Derrick Wilson has 350 in his 4 year career. Carlino has made 70 FTs this year and Derrick Wilson has made 74 for his career.
We need Carlino in.
Quote from: Knight Commission on February 07, 2015, 01:56:09 PM
Seton Hall was awful today. It was a fluke win. In my opinion it had nothing to do with Carlinos absence.
Going into today, Carlino has 320 points for Marquette. Derrick Wilson has 350 in his 4 year career. Carlino has made 70 FTs this year and Derrick Wilson has made 74 for his career.
We need Carlino in.
Well when ya put it that way! Seriously though Wilson is horrible on offense.
Quote from: Knight Commission on February 07, 2015, 01:56:09 PM
Seton Hall was awful today. It was a fluke win. In my opinion it had nothing to do with Carlinos absence.
Going into today, Carlino has 320 points for Marquette. Derrick Wilson has 350 in his 4 year career. Carlino has made 70 FTs this year and Derrick Wilson has made 74 for his career.
We need Carlino in.
IMO it has little to do with Wilson and Carlino....it's about the spacing and other lineup rotations.
Carlino is the team's safety net. Just about everyone defers to him, especially down the stretch. Without him, other players needed to step up and they did. Sure, SH played an awful game but it was hopefully a good learning experience for the young guys.
We get it, Car3no spurned your man crush Tanned Thomas so you've had it out for him ever since. We scored 57 points against a bad defensive team. Car3no had scored over half of that twice by himself in games this season. We didn't play any better today than any game besides Nova and 4 minutes of Seton Hall. The clock just happened to strike 0:00 before our opponents could catch us. SH couldn't have played worse and still had a good look from a top 5 player in the conference to tie it. They shot under 30% from inside the arc. It looked almost as bad as when Tanned Thomas's team came out in an 8-9 matchup and didn't score a 2 point field goal the entire first half against Michigan State in the NCAAs.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2015, 02:12:41 PM
We get it, Car3no spurned your man crush Tanned Thomas so you've had it out for him ever since. We scored 57 points against a bad defensive team. Car3no had scored over half of that twice by himself in games this season. We didn't play any better today than any game besides Nova and 4 minutes of Seton Hall. The clock just happened to strike 0:00 before our opponents could catch us. SH couldn't have played worse and still had a good look from a top 5 player in the conference to tie it. They shot under 30% from inside the arc. It looked almost as bad as when Tanned Thomas's team came out in an 8-9 matchup and didn't score a 2 point field goal the entire first half against Michigan State in the NCAAs.
I'm giving Chico credit on this one - if he's trolling, pretty even handed way of doing it.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2015, 02:12:41 PM
We get it, Car3no spurned your man crush Tanned Thomas so you've had it out for him ever since. We scored 57 points against a bad defensive team. Car3no had scored over half of that twice by himself in games this season. We didn't play any better today than any game besides Nova and 4 minutes of Seton Hall. The clock just happened to strike 0:00 before our opponents could catch us. SH couldn't have played worse and still had a good look from a top 5 player in the conference to tie it. They shot under 30% from inside the arc. It looked almost as bad as when Tanned Thomas's team came out in an 8-9 matchup and didn't score a 2 point field goal the entire first half against Michigan State in the NCAAs.
You are off your cracker dude. You seriously are. You went there, not me. I haven't spurned the kid at all. He's a good player, but he is what he is. A bit of a chucker and can be a black hole at times. He's got a quality shot, but unfortunately can lull the rest of the team into a slumber IMO.
You seem obsessed by this cat Tanned Thomas...it is strange.
Quote from: Knight Commission on February 07, 2015, 01:56:09 PM
Seton Hall was awful today. It was a fluke win. In my opinion it had nothing to do with Carlinos absence.
Going into today, Carlino has 320 points for Marquette. Derrick Wilson has 350 in his 4 year career. Carlino has made 70 FTs this year and Derrick Wilson has made 74 for his career.
We need Carlino in.
This. Seton Hall was awful.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2015, 02:44:31 PM
You are off your cracker dude. You seriously are. You went there, not me. I haven't spurned the kid at all. He's a good player, but he is what he is. A bit of a chucker and can be a black hole at times. He's got a quality shot, but unfortunately can lull the rest of the team into a slumber IMO.
You seem obsessed by this cat Tanned Thomas...it is strange.
Says the guy who sits on multiple schools message boards and defends him every single time he is criticized.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2015, 01:12:22 PM
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I like Carlino, think he is an absolutely wonderful skilled shooter and tough as nails player. BUT, I think we stand around too much and watch him play, it slows our movement, and grinds down our offense. IMO
MUPT: Offense looked more fluid. Maybe Carlino should be moved off of PG, especially when Derrick is in.
Are you guys for real? We scored
57 points. There was
no offensive outburst w/out Carlino.
We won because Seton Hall could not make a shot. If they shot a terrible 35% today - they would have beaten us. They had to get hot in the last 4 minutes to get up to 30%.
So Chicos tells us our offense ran smoother to get 57 points. We only got to 57 because of STJ. The rest of our "smooth" offense shot under 40%.
Carlino should be shooting more. He is far and away the best shooter on the team.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2015, 03:00:30 PM
Says the guy who sits on multiple schools message boards and defends him every single time he is criticized.
Uhm, absolutely wrong...but good try. Did you read something on the internet so it must be true? LOL
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2015, 07:09:51 PM
Uhm, absolutely wrong...but good try. Did you read something on the internet so it must be true? LOL
Keep telling yourself that JimTelevision.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2015, 07:21:31 PM
Keep telling yourself that JimTelevision.
LOL. Yeah, I read that, too. Humorous. TommyJohnSurgery is my Rivals nickname and has been for probably 10 years. I've never called myself Jim or had anyone else call me Jim in my life....but hey, it's on the internet.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2015, 07:38:34 PM
LOL. Yeah, I read that, too. Humorous. TommyJohnSurgery is my Rivals nickname and has been for probably 10 years. I've never called myself Jim or had anyone else call me Jim in my life....but hey, it's on the internet.
Ahh. Must be that damned hoopaloop character again.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2015, 07:43:04 PM
Ahh. Must be that damned hoopaloop character again.
Or people just being stupid....again.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2015, 01:16:23 PM
I think Ners might be in the hospital after Wilson picked up his dribble before half court near the end of the game. Woof. That was bad.
OMG- yes!!! For a senior PG, and supposed rare turnover guy, that was pathetic. It was a great team effort, but he played poorly overall I thought.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 07, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
This. Seton Hall was awful.
Yeah, definitely true. They obviously remembered well dominating us in Milwaukee and thought just showing up was going to be enough today. Some stuff they did you don't see many grade school teams do - like Gibbs throwing it away at halfcourt with a teammate two feet away, and JJJ standing right there ready to jump the passing lane.
Can't take away the fight MU showed though without Carlino. I certainly gave them no chance when they tipped off today after hearing Carlino was out.
Sometimes one team makes the other look awful, aina? I givin' MU credit on this one.
Heh...
Creighton shooting 62.8% eFG% today, but I'm sure it would have been 70%+ with Carlino.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 14, 2015, 02:00:07 PM
Creighton shooting 62.8% eFG% today, but I'm sure it would have been 70%+ with Carlino.
With Carlino's defense....you might be right.
All that being said, could have sworn the game I watched we were down only two possessions with under 30 seconds to go on the road. I would have thought we would lose by 96 points. Steve Taylor became the univisible man again, after being the invisible man last game. We shot 45% from 3 point land...HIGHER than our season average. Duane Wilson had a terrific scoring game. Of course, just like last game, we got annihilated on the boards.
Carlino, again, is a very good player...as stated previously. I like seeing the other guys have to be the guys, rather than deferring to him late in shot clocks and late in the games. MC is gone after this year, many of our other guys are not. They are growing from this. For those of you who voted the season was a lost cause, I would think you would understand this. Personally, I don't think it is a lost cause because these kids can learn and pick up valuable experience in these types of situations.
I hope MC is back healthy soon, but what the kids are learning in his absence is to do these things on their own, which will pay dividends in the future.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 14, 2015, 04:49:20 PM
With Carlino's defense....you might be right.
All that being said, could have sworn the game I watched we were down only two possessions with under 30 seconds to go on the road. I would have thought we would lose by 96 points. Steve Taylor became the univisible man again, after being the invisible man last game. We shot 45% from 3 point land...HIGHER than our season average. Duane Wilson had a terrific scoring game. Of course, just like last game, we got annihilated on the boards.
Carlino, again, is a very good player...as stated previously. I like seeing the other guys have to be the guys, rather than deferring to him late in shot clocks and late in the games. MC is gone after this year, many of our other guys are not. They are growing from this. For those of you who voted the season was a lost cause, I would think you would understand this. Personally, I don't think it is a lost cause because these kids can learn and pick up valuable experience in these types of situations.
I hope MC is back healthy soon, but what the kids are learning in his absence is to do these things on their own, which will pay dividends in the future.
Wow, two possessions down under 30 seconds on the road in the battle for last place. Last frigging place. Now I feel much better.
We are DePaul. I can puke.
We wish we were St. Louis. Well...Larry and Pilarz got their wish.
DePaul? St. Louis?
Sports are cyclical. Except for a half-dozen, maybe a dozen, college basketball programs, there are good times and bad times. For the good ones, the good times far outweigh the bad times; I'm hoping for that for MU, and I don't think it's misplaced, delusional hope.
North Carolina sucked for awhile. Indiana? Serious suckage. UCLA? Had some suckiness. Even Kentucky, before Cal arrived, had the natives restless. Etc, etc, etc.
Assuming the three remaining recruits actually do come to school and feeling confident Wojo will continue bringing in quality players -- because we have no reason yet to assume otherwise -- I don't think we'll be down long.
Are there any guarantees? No there are not. That's sports.
DePaul hasn't been any good for decades. St. Louis? When was their last S16-S16-E8 run or their run of 8 straight NCAA appearances?
Get a grip, folks.