Won at #24 Seton Hall ... first win against a ranked team in seven years (in Rosemont against 'nova in 2008) Now 1 - 52 against ranked teams since 2008!
Ugly game, took 2 1/2 hours and had almost 60 fouls.
After seven games they are in first place (again).
At what point do we stop saying this is bad for the league and Depaul could be the surprise of this basketball year?
The BE is so even anyone can win the tournament this year. League was solid out of conference how will it be in the NCAA tournament
well thats good now only one ranked team
Quote from: injuryBug on January 22, 2015, 08:29:07 PM
The BE is so even anyone can win the tournament this year. League was solid out of conference how will it be in the NCAA tournament
It likely won't do well in the tournament. Deep, but the teams at the top aren't great.
The last top 50 in RPI graphic I saw had us, DePaul and Creighton as the only three Big East schools not included. If DePaul keeps winning they'll get up there. I guess the bad for the league argument involves just how damaging to their RPI it is for other Big East schools to lose to a fellow conference member that lost seven games in non-conference. That is a one season phenomenon, however.
This year's success has come too late to help DePaul with 2015-16 recruiting, hopefully it will allow them a higher profile with 2016 HS grads. Ultimately, it's going to substantially help the league to have high profile programs in the two of the nations top three media markets, so let's hope for the best for DePaul and St. John's.
Georgetown, DePaul and Providence in first place on January 22nd. Didn't see that coming.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 22, 2015, 08:26:30 PM
At what point do we stop saying this is bad for the league and Depaul could be the surprise of this basketball year?
Depaul cannot make the NCAA. Their non-conference was too poor. The only way they can possibly make it is if they go 9-2 or better or win the BEast tournament. Every Depaul win is bad for the league.
DePaul is better than us. I can't deal.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 22, 2015, 08:42:32 PM
Depaul cannot make the NCAA. Their non-conference was too poor. The only way they can possibly make it is if they go 9-2 or better or win the BEast tournament. Every Depaul win is bad for the league.
Thank you, finally someone with some sense. These Deapaul wins are bad for evryone.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 22, 2015, 08:50:18 PM
Thank you, finally someone with some sense. These Deapaul wins are bad for evryone.
I kinda want everyone to end up .500 in conference. Creighton needs to go on a run for that to happen though.
I guess the other question is why are they all of the sudden good? Transfer eligible? Cleveland Melvin back?
Quote from: Johnny B on January 22, 2015, 08:50:18 PM
Thank you, finally someone with some sense. These Deapaul wins are bad for evryone.
Does that make our wins bad also?
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 22, 2015, 09:39:30 PM
Does that make our wins bad also?
no our non confrence at least gives us a chance.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 22, 2015, 08:42:32 PM
Depaul cannot make the NCAA. Their non-conference was too poor. The only way they can possibly make it is if they go 9-2 or better or win the BEast tournament. Every Depaul win is bad for the league.
While they had a really rough stretch, they did knock off Stanford (RPI 22) and have notched 3 more top 50 wins in conference. If they go 6-5 the rest of the way, that would give them 11 conference wins and at least 8-9 top 50 wins. Would that be too much to be ignored? Losing to Lehigh, Loyola Marymount and Ohio is bad, but who knows. How many good wins outweigh a bad loss?
Quote from: Johnny B on January 22, 2015, 08:50:18 PM
Thank you, finally someone with some sense. These Deapaul wins are bad for evryone.
They aren't bad for DePaul. DePaul being better gives our conference more credibility, not less.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 22, 2015, 10:01:09 PM
no our non confrence at least gives us a chance.
Really? Because we beat Tennessee? Not sure that is chest thumping win.
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 22, 2015, 10:19:45 PM
They aren't bad for DePaul. DePaul being better gives our conference more credibility, not less.
DePaul being bad out of conference then being good in conference makes the big east appear weak.
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 22, 2015, 10:21:47 PM
Really? Because we beat Tennessee? Not sure that is chest thumping win.
Well, uh, IT IS THIS YEAR!
Quote from: Johnny B on January 22, 2015, 10:33:21 PM
DePaul being bad out of conference then being good in conference makes the big east appear weak.
Ohhh I always forget the transitive property of hoops. Dammit!! Now Lehigh is better than half the Big East!
Fox Sports is reporting that this is DePaul's first road win over a ranked team since beating #16 Wake Forest 84-81 in 2005.
So not only was it so long ago that DePaul beat a ranked team on the road, but it was so long ago that team DePaul beat was Wake Forest; who hasn't been ranked once in 5 seasons.
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 22, 2015, 10:21:47 PM
Really? Because we beat Tennessee? Not sure that is chest thumping win.
True. But right now it is a Top 50 RPI win at a neutral venue.
Oddly enough, DePaul still has the lowest RPI in the conference, per ESPN at #151.
DePaul is 4-5 vs. the RPI Top 50, which is obviously good for them, and as good as they've been in many years.
However, they are currently sitting on an RPI of 151, and a strength of schedule of 153. They also have four bad losses, including two at home. Those are absolutely crippling to their NCAA chances.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on January 22, 2015, 11:17:51 PM
Oddly enough, DePaul still has the lowest RPI in the conference, per ESPN at #151.
DePaul is 4-5 vs. the RPI Top 50, which is obviously good for them, and as good as they've been in many years.
However, they are currently sitting on an RPI of 151, and a strength of schedule of 153. They also have four bad losses, including two at home. Those are absolutely crippling to their NCAA chances.
ESPN is slow at updating. Depaul (130) is above Creighton (149) and closing in on us at 102.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 22, 2015, 11:10:08 PM
True. But right now it is a Top 50 RPI win at a neutral venue.
I know, it is a good win, but it isn't so good that it separates MU in any way. It is 1 win. Our best other non con win was GT, whose RPI is just plummeting and scored 28 points tonight.
Quote from: forgetful on January 22, 2015, 11:51:44 PM
ESPN is slow at updating. Depaul (130) is above Creighton (149) and closing in on us at 102.
They are now officially out of "bad loss" territory. But really the moral of the story is, if DePaul is so bad, and everyone else is so much better, just beat them.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 22, 2015, 10:01:09 PM
no our non confrence at least gives us a chance.
This just in: We have no chance.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 22, 2015, 08:50:18 PM
Thank you, finally someone with some sense. These Deapaul wins are bad for evryone.
Oliver Purnell begs to differ.
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 22, 2015, 10:44:07 PM
Ohhh I always forget the transitive property of hoops. Dammit!! Now Lehigh is better than half the Big East!
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that Lehigh is better than half the Big East. However certainly should be able to understand the point that with seven non-conference losses DePaul is not going to qualify for the NCAA tournament and every loss they put on a conference team with tournament potential is going to hurt that team's chances.
We could easily be in the same position (or better). This is a fluke, and bad for the league, as people have said. They beat us by 3, won @X by 3, beat St. John's in OT. Had they lost to us, and we win the X & St. John's games that came down to the last minute, it would be us that people were talking about as the surprise team. The only difference being: we would actually have a shot at an at-large bid with a 5-1 league record.
Doug Gottlieb @GottliebShow · 12h 12 hours ago
When DePaul is in first place, your league isn't any good
When a Tom Crean coached team is tied with Wisconsin for first, your league isn't any good.
Quote from: jakeec on January 23, 2015, 08:18:27 AM
Doug Gottlieb @GottliebShow · 12h 12 hours ago
When DePaul is in first place, your league isn't any good
Isn't the traditional Scoop response supposed to apply here:
"Gottlieb is a tool."
It don't matter, aina?
Quote from: jakeec on January 23, 2015, 08:18:27 AM
Doug Gottlieb @GottliebShow · 12h 12 hours ago
When DePaul is in first place, your league isn't any good
Doug....
One of arguably the best years of college basketball (2004) featured a Conference USA that put 6 teams into the tournament (would have been 7 if Travis didn't get assaulted by that tackling dummy). Who was one of the first place teams in the conference? DePaul.
Quote from: jakeec on January 23, 2015, 08:18:27 AM
Doug Gottlieb @GottliebShow · 12h 12 hours ago
When DePaul is in first place, your league isn't any good
Didn't know he was still doing stuff. How about that. And if you follow him on twitter, that makes me a little sad for your life.
I will just be surprised if many New Big East teams make the NCAA tournament past the first weekend. They are benefiting by having no horrible teams. But they have only 1 good team. I think many of their teams belong in the NIT.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 23, 2015, 07:37:13 AM
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that Lehigh is better than half the Big East. However certainly should be able to understand the point that with seven non-conference losses DePaul is not going to qualify for the NCAA tournament and every loss they put on a conference team with tournament potential is going to hurt that team's chances.
Yes, well, I was being quite ridiculous. Just like having a thread every time DePaul wins to tell them to stop winning. Teams that want to make the tournament should make sure they beat DePaul if they have no chance. Personally, I kind of think they still have a chance (albeit very slim--but much better than a month ago). How many top 100 wins is too many to ignore? They have 5 already with 10 more chances. They have 4 top 50 wins. Same as Duke, same as Villanova, more than Wisconsin, OSU has none.
I'm not saying they are in the tourney. But I think we have to look at the possibility that a loss to them isn't toxic this year. It isn't like losing to them a couple years ago when their RPI was over 200. They have a pretty good chance to at least get to a top 100 team. That makes them a good win, not a bad loss.
And if you think this is terrible because the Big East was going to get 7 teams in, well, there was bound to be some attrition.
Quote from: jakeec on January 23, 2015, 10:29:34 AM
I will just be surprised if many New Big East teams make the NCAA tournament past the first weekend. They are benefiting by having no horrible teams. But they have only 1 good team. I think many of their teams belong in the NIT.
Couldn't the exact same sentence apply to the New Big Ten? To the SEC? (well, except I guess that the big ten does have terrible teams.) The Big East appears to have one Final Four caliber team, Villanova. The Big Ten has Wisconsin. The SEC has Kentucky. Sure come tourney time other teams can make runs, but I don't think it is at all unique to have one elite team and then a bunch of good teams.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 22, 2015, 10:33:21 PM
DePaul being bad out of conference then being good in conference makes the big east appear weak.
Everytime I watch a Big East game, the conference appears weak.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 23, 2015, 08:18:17 AM
We could easily be in the same position (or better). This is a fluke, and bad for the league, as people have said. They beat us by 3, won @X by 3, beat St. John's in OT. Had they lost to us, and we win the X & St. John's games that came down to the last minute, it would be us that people were talking about as the surprise team. The only difference being: we would actually have a shot at an at-large bid with a 5-1 league record.
Well, we are not in the same position. We lost. Who the heck cares how close the losses are. If we had Coach K we would an Elite program. He is not our coach. We did not win the games you referenced. The reality is we are what we are, a team that hopefully does not finish last in the conference.
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on January 23, 2015, 10:58:50 AM
Everytime I watch a Big East game, the conference appears weak.
Then watch some of the other conferences. Except for the few elite teams at the top, there is a whole lot of weak out there this year.
Quote from: jakeec on January 23, 2015, 10:29:34 AM
I will just be surprised if many New Big East teams make the NCAA tournament past the first weekend. They are benefiting by having no horrible teams. But they have only 1 good team. I think many of their teams belong in the NIT.
Wisconsin is benefiting by having a ton of horrible teams in their league. Other than Maryland, no one in that league looks very good. Sure, some teams will get in just by the nature of the game, but does anyone really think Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, or Iowa are that good? I thought Ohio State was decent, but they're barely scraping by against some mediocre opposition.
I don't know that I've ever been so unimpressed with your league. If not for Maryland joining, you guys would be a one trick pony bolstered up by a huge pile of drek.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 23, 2015, 11:13:51 AM
Well, we are not in the same position. We lost. Who the heck cares how close the losses are. If we had Coach K we would an Elite program. He is not our coach. We did not win the games you referenced. The reality is we are what we are, a team that hopefully does not finish last in the conference.
We are both bad teams. DePaul has gotten relatively lucky in conference thus far, we have not. I'll be relatively shocked if DePaul finishes with a conference record above .500. My mind will also be blown if we do the same.
Quote from: jakeec on January 23, 2015, 10:29:34 AM
I will just be surprised if many New Big East teams make the NCAA tournament past the first weekend. They are benefiting by having no horrible teams. But they have only 1 good team. I think many of their teams belong in the NIT.
68 teams make the tournament? Have you watched much CBB this year? Most teams aren't good. There are maybe 20 good teams, and then about 80 mediocre teams. The Big East have 1 in the top 20, and then 7 or 8 in the next 40. That's a pretty good conference. 5 teams is the likely the minimum.
Quote from: jakeec on January 23, 2015, 08:18:27 AM
Doug Gottlieb @GottliebShow · 12h 12 hours ago
When DePaul is in first place, your league isn't any good
Duke is at St. Johns tomorrow (Saturday) afternoon. Now I'm going to root for the Johnnies as hard as I do for MU tomorrow, just to ram it up the arse of that prick Gottlieb.
He should go back to spanking to pornhub.com videos like, apparently, everyone else at ESPN does.
Good for DePaul. It had gotten so bad that it's hard not to root for them when playing teams who aren't us.
Depaul up by 10 over Xavier at the half. Will shoot 2 free throws before the second half begins due to a technical called after time ran out.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 24, 2015, 12:00:55 PM
Depaul up by 10 over Xavier at the half. Will shoot 2 free throws before the second half begins due to a technical called after time ran out.
Did you see something there that warranted a technical?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 24, 2015, 12:02:09 PM
Did you see something there that warranted a technical?
Looked like a Xavier player deliberately pushed a Depaul player as/after the clock ran out.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 24, 2015, 12:02:09 PM
Did you see something there that warranted a technical?
I did, a Depaul player intentionally flopped to try to get a call. That should be a technical on the Depaul guy in my book.
Xavier storms back and whips Depaul in the second half. Xavier by 13
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 23, 2015, 12:22:33 PM
Wisconsin is benefiting by having a ton of horrible teams in their league. Other than Maryland, no one in that league looks very good. Sure, some teams will get in just by the nature of the game, but does anyone really think Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, or Iowa are that good? I thought Ohio State was decent, but they're barely scraping by against some mediocre opposition.
I don't know that I've ever been so unimpressed with your league. If not for Maryland joining, you guys would be a one trick pony bolstered up by a huge pile of drek.
What does Wisconsin have to do with anything?
Quote from: jakeec on January 24, 2015, 04:14:12 PM
What does Wisconsin have to do with anything?
You're a Wisconsin troll. get it?