1. MU made it ugly in the first half, keeping it close when their offense was putrid.
2. Welcome back, freshman year, Steve! Now get consistent.
3. Sandy Cohen is a keeper. Shame he couldn't get a call at the rim tonight.
4. Derrick and Juan stunk tonight. Juan slightly less.
5. MU was much more successful attacking the rim than they were trying to finesse it over shotblockers. When MU acted afraid around the rim, they got killed. I'm looking at you, Juan, Duane, Luke...
6. SJU is so much more athletic than MU.
7. MU needs a plan B when the defense smothers Carlino. Who will step up? The question that will haunt MU the rest of the year.
8. Fatigue. Nah, I don't think fatigue was an issue tonight. Just messin'.
9. Winning on the road in conference is tough, even when you have a really good team. Not sure if this team can win one.
10. Turnovers and rebounding. Need more of one, less of the other.
11. I like how Lavin played that at the end.
Wait, you think Juan stuck slightly less then Derrick?
Juan may have had one of the worst D1 basketball performances I have ever seen.
Game overall, different game same story.
Just infuriating.
We are talking degrees of suckiness. Neither was worth a thing tonight.
Too many turnovers again. Simple as that. We'll get there...
A winnable game. Need to learn how to close out games. As long as we have Derrick in at crunch time it will not happen.
I, for one, just wish Car3no wasn't such a quick trigger chucker.
Some people's comments just continue to ring true.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 21, 2015, 08:05:45 PM
A winnable game. Need to learn how to close out games. As long as we have Derrick in at crunch time it will not happen.
What would having Derrick out of the game changed in the last minute? Did Derrick touch the ball besides to inbound it?
Some people are hilarious.
Every time I watch this team I see a lot of potential. Could easily see us lose 6-8 of our final 12 games in the big east. But I wouldn't even be surprised if we made the big east tournament final. I'm optimistic while also having low expectations.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 21, 2015, 08:03:27 PM
Wait, you think Juan stuck slightly less then Derrick?
Juan may have had one of the worst D1 basketball performances I have ever seen.
Game overall, different game same story.
Just infuriating.
That's a bit hyperbolic.
But yes, Juan had an awful game tonight. His offense has suddenly disappeared.
Lessee; We got butkus points from our two senior captains tonight, but they did contribute in other ways.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 21, 2015, 08:05:45 PM
A winnable game. Need to learn how to close out games. As long as we have Derrick in at crunch time it will not happen.
Derrick in at crunch time had nothing to do with this game. Not a strong perfromance from him tonight however.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 21, 2015, 08:05:45 PM
A winnable game. Need to learn how to close out games. As long as we have Derrick in at crunch time it will not happen.
TW, Ners and Mojo against the world.
If derrick and juan are gonna play 51 Minutes combined and come up with 0 points....
The results will be similar in wins and losses going forward.
Didn't watch the game, I tracked it on the ESPN ap & I can tell you that 10 & 12 suck. Always have and always will.
The only difference between freshmen Juan and senior is that senior Juan is getting forced minutes due to lack of size and players. They are both the same not good basketball player.
Wild to think MU will be in February without a true road win >:(
Quote from: willie warrior on January 21, 2015, 08:09:12 PM
Lessee; We got butkus points from our two senior captains tonight, but they did contribute in other ways.
Weird, I could've sworn I saw Carlino hit 4 3 pointers in about 2 minutes. Box score has him for 21. Guess "butkus" = 21?
Am I the only one who doesn't mind Derrick as long as he's actually being aggressive? He didn't play well tonight but I feel like that was more due to him being so passive. He shouldn't hesitate to drive it and draw contact. I don't even care if he misses the free throws, make SJU realize you want to score too.
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 21, 2015, 08:10:51 PM
If derrick and juan are gonna play 51 Minutes combined and come up with 0 points....
The results will be similar in wins and losses going forward.
Shouldn't you be at LibertyScoop by now?
Or you sticking around just to pop up to badmouth our current roster when we're losing?
On to Georgetown at home, here we go, team plays hard needs to find a way to close out games
Say what you want but it is first time there are signs this team is playing like men. There was fight in there eyes and they are becoming aggressive. Still more to go but real progress tonight. I expect the game against Georgetown will be an old fashion brawl. Frustration and anger can not put the ball in the bucket it will result in guys like, Fischer, JJJ, Cohen, Taylor, etc. having more success going to the basket. This season is beginning to look up. We will win more than we will lose over the remainder of the season.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2015, 08:08:18 PM
That's a bit hyperbolic.
But yes, Juan had an awful game tonight. His offense has suddenly disappeared.
I wouldn't say that. I'd just say we've started to face tough competition. Look at games against any team that could beat Marquette High and he hasn't done much offensively outside of his 16 point performance against Providence. 9 against Georgetown is solid. 12 against Georgia Tech is also solid. 6 against Ohio State, 7 against Michigan State, 6 against Tennessee, 3 against Wisconsin, 6 against Arizona State, 4 against Xavier, 0 against St. John's. (I'm not sure Depaul - 9, or Creighton - 4, could beat MUHS, so didn't include those, but there they are) Juan is about a 6 and 6 guy. He just gave us hope by going off on little the little guys. Same with JJJ. And Luke.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2015, 08:11:39 PM
Weird, I could've sworn I saw Carlino hit 4 3 pointers in about 2 minutes. Box score has him for 21. Guess "butkus" = 21?
Except you know who I was talking about. So your sarcasm is for naught.
Played their butts off. It's all they got. Look to next year and enjoy every game this year. We will get some Ws. We could knock offs someone in the first game in the Big E.
Quote from: Class71 on January 21, 2015, 08:15:09 PM
Say what you want but it is first time there are signs this team is playing like men. There was fight in there eyes and they are becoming aggressive. Still more to go but real progress tonight. I expect the game against Georgetown will be an old fashion brawl. Frustration and anger can not put the ball in the bucket it will result in guys like, Fischer, JJJ, Cohen, Taylor, etc. having more success going to the basket. This season is beginning to look up. We will win more than we will lose over the remainder of the season.
I hope you're not a betting man.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2015, 08:08:18 PM
That's a bit hyperbolic.
But yes, Juan had an awful game tonight. His offense has suddenly disappeared.
I havn't looked at stats yet but pretty sure he didn't make a basket and missed about 8.
And that TO he had in first half was something out of the circus.
Just a really, really, really bad game by him and couldn't believe he was actually in late.
Juan is not reliable against HM competition. Hard to win games when teams don't have to worry about 2 of your senior starters. Good experience for the young guys though. Also, nice to see Steve play a good game. Thought St. John's scouted him poorly. He never goes right up with it and St. John's kept going for that pump fake.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2015, 08:11:39 PM
Weird, I could've sworn I saw Carlino hit 4 3 pointers in about 2 minutes. Box score has him for 21. Guess "butkus" = 21?
The co-captains are Derrick and Juan
Quote from: willie warrior on January 21, 2015, 08:15:39 PM
Except you know who I was talking about. So your sarcasm is for naught.
Carlino isn't a senior leader? Or did you just mean 4th year senior? Because I'm fairly certain Carlino is a senior, and it seems to me like Derrick and Carlino are the guys who the team looks to for leadership. So...?
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 21, 2015, 08:13:39 PM
Shouldn't you be at LibertyScoop by now?
Or you sticking around just to pop up to badmouth our current roster when we're losing?
When you pay my internet bill you can tell me what site to be on...
Secondly its not badmouthing its the truth... You always wanna direct your messages to me like I know you, I don't say anything to you ever so just don't say anything to me deal?
Four losses by an average of four points. Georgetown was the only one where we were close the whole time, but never over the hump. I just want to win.
Quote from: Class71 on January 21, 2015, 08:15:09 PM
Say what you want but it is first time there are signs this team is playing like men. There was fight in there eyes and they are becoming aggressive. Still more to go but real progress tonight. I expect the game against Georgetown will be an old fashion brawl. Frustration and anger can not put the ball in the bucket it will result in guys like, Fischer, JJJ, Cohen, Taylor, etc. having more success going to the basket. This season is beginning to look up. We will win more than we will lose over the remainder of the season.
I'm normally pretty optimistic, but I really wouldn't be surprised if we lose our next 5 games. Of course, we could have second half leads In all those games but still lose.....
Not much talk about Luke, but he was awful tonight. Dancing around the hoop when he just needs to go up strong. Derrick got it to him when there was nobody else in the area code, and Luke waited for Obekpa to get there.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2015, 08:16:37 PM
I hope you're not a betting man.
Basketball is more emotion than you think. They will surprise you and if you look at my previous comments I have been very negative until now. Time will tell my friend.
Quote from: Class71 on January 21, 2015, 08:20:04 PM
Basketball is more emotion than you think. They will surprise you and if you look at my previous comments I have been very negative until now. Time will tell my friend.
Emotion can help, but you need some talent and experience. We have a total of 1 player with the combination of talent and experience necessary to win at a high major level.
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 21, 2015, 08:18:26 PM
When you pay my internet bill you can tell me what site to be on...
Secondly its not badmouthing its the truth... You always wanna direct your messages to me like I know you, I don't say anything to you ever so just don't say anything to me deal?
Well, it is certainly troll-ish behavior seeing as how you haven't been around except to insult players when we're losing. Where is your "truth" about the positives of this team since John left? Where are all the rest of your posts outside of talking about Derrick?
Quote from: MarkusSharkus on January 21, 2015, 08:12:56 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't mind Derrick as long as he's actually being aggressive? He didn't play well tonight but I feel like that was more due to him being so passive. He shouldn't hesitate to drive it and draw contact. I don't even care if he misses the free throws, make SJU realize you want to score too.
Agree, he needs to be more aggressive on offense.
And for all the guys ripping our 6'1" PG, he led the team with 7 boards tonight and was helping to guard Obekpa. Sure challenged him more than Luke or Juan did.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 21, 2015, 08:23:32 PM
Well, it is certainly troll-ish behavior seeing as how you haven't been around except to insult players when we're losing. Where is your "truth" about the positives of this team since John left? Where are all the rest of your posts outside of talking about Derrick?
Not so much, I just said on the game thread "I happened to be on the couch and a game came on, I still root for the guys" then "Good to see JJJ back in the lineup" "Steve playing like a freshmen again" "Chief has a good feel for the game" "Duane with the layup..." all on the thread... Troll that..
Anyway you always got something to say.. Lets just respectfully agree to disagree and you not mention me, because I never ever mentioned you...
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 21, 2015, 08:19:51 PM
Not much talk about Luke, but he was awful tonight. Dancing around the hoop when he just needs to go up strong. Derrick got it to him when there was nobody else in the area code, and Luke waited for Obekpa to get there.
Luke was abused.
played soft. Never seen a big get so many shots blocked.
Derrick was passive on both ends. Juan was overmatched on both ends.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 08:33:26 PM
Derrick was passive on both ends. Juan was overmatched on both ends.
Pretty much the case in most Big East games, no?
Derrick had 0 points, 3 assists, and 3 turnovers. You cannot win in college basketball when your pg plays that many minutes and puts up stats like that. Just dreadful. On a positive note, Cohen and Carlino had impressive performances and Steve seemed to have more energy and bounce in his step than I've seen in awhile. Next year can't come soon enough!
Wojo needs to let Duane and JJ off the leash..... the season is going nowhere and Derrick and Juan are horrible. Let the future play more minutes, especially in crunch time.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 21, 2015, 08:38:02 PM
Next year can't come soon enough!
Because it will be the second year of the rebuild! Assuming everyone comes to MU and nobody leaves..
1: Duane, Nick (Haanif?)
2: JJJ, Haanif, Sandy, Wally
3: Sandy, Wally
4: Henry, STjr
5: Fischer, Heldt
Unless Wojo finds a couple of one year rentals/JUCO's, that team is going to be woefully inexperienced and not set at PG. With little proven scoring. Lots of talent and potential, but unless you are Kentucky, expecting to win right away with that little returning scoring? Right now, MU is playing for 16-17. Unless Wojo brings in a couple more players.
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 21, 2015, 08:29:43 PM
Not so much, I just said on the game thread "I happened to be on the couch and a game came on, I still root for the guys" then "Good to see JJJ back in the lineup" "Steve playing like a freshmen again" "Chief has a good feel for the game" "Duane with the layup..." all on the thread... Troll that..
Anyway you always got something to say.. Lets just respectfully agree to disagree and you not mention me, because I never ever mentioned you...
Nevada, while I wasn't a fan of some of your comments in the past, your points made here are spot on. 0 points from Juan and De won't get it done. Period.
I think it's great to see you here rooting the Warriors on after John has left.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 08:44:13 PM
Because it will be the second year of the rebuild! Assuming everyone comes to MU and nobody leaves..
1: Duane, Nick (Haanif?)
2: JJJ, Haanif, Sandy, Wally
3: Sandy, Wally
4: Henry, STjr
5: Fischer, Heldt
Unless Wojo finds a couple of one year rentals/JUCO's, that team is going to be woefully inexperienced and not set at PG. With little proven scoring. Lots of talent and potential, but unless you are Kentucky, expecting to win right away with that little returning scoring? Right now, MU is playing for 16-17. Unless Wojo brings in a couple more players.
And that's assuming Nick is still part of the class. I hope he makes it, but we may very well have Duane as the only guy with any PG skills. All the talent underneath will have a hard time scoring if we're turning the ball over.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 08:44:13 PM
Because it will be the second year of the rebuild! Assuming everyone comes to MU and nobody leaves..
1: Duane, Nick (Haanif?)
2: JJJ, Haanif, Sandy, Wally
3: Sandy, Wally
4: Henry, STjr
5: Fischer, Heldt
Unless Wojo finds a couple of one year rentals/JUCO's, that team is going to be woefully inexperienced and not set at PG. With little proven scoring. Lots of talent and potential, but unless you are Kentucky, expecting to win right away with that little returning scoring? Right now, MU is playing for 16-17. Unless Wojo brings in a couple more players.
Just not seeing next year being much of a rebuild. 16-17 will be the dynamite year but next year we should be really strong. Look at this team now and the way they play. Its a culture thing and how tough they are keeps them in every game.
Sorry, but inexperience or not Henry, Haanif, Nick and Matt are astronomical additions compared to what we are losing. That factors in the other 4 being 1 year older.
Plus we are probably adding a JUCO or grad transfer.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400588424
Box score without minutes.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 21, 2015, 08:56:11 PM
Just not seeing next year being much of a rebuild. 16-17 will be the dynamite year but next year we should be really strong. Look at this team now and the way they play. Its a culture thing and how tough they are keeps them in every game.
Sorry, but inexperience or not Henry, Haanif, Nick and Matt are astronomical additions compared to what we are losing. That factors in the other 4 being 1 year older.
Plus we are probably adding a JUCO or grad transfer.
I hope you are right. I just no longer bank on freshmen coming in and making huge impacts. I have heard that song too many times.
I am huge sandy Cohen fan. Guy is fearless and he showed it again tonight
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2015, 08:09:35 PM
Derrick in at crunch time had nothing to do with this game. Not a strong perfromance from him tonight however.
I look at crunch time as the final 10 minutes of the game. Maybe a bad wording. We needed an offensive threat other than Carlino.
Live by the Carlino, die by the Carlino
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 21, 2015, 08:10:51 PM
If derrick and juan are gonna play 51 Minutes combined and come up with 0 points....
The results will be similar in wins and losses going forward.
Completely agree.
Derrick actually sat more during the last 10 minutes than usual. But nobody other than Carlino and Cohen looked like they really wanted the ball. I can't wait until Cohen is strong enough to finish those drives. Or starts getting a little respect from the refs.
Quote from: Bradley Brew on January 21, 2015, 08:42:48 PM
Wojo needs to let Duane and JJ off the leash..... the season is going nowhere and Derrick and Juan are horrible. Let the future play more minutes, especially in crunch time.
Completely agree.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 08:57:23 PM
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400588424
Box score without minutes.
minutes are in now
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 21, 2015, 08:59:38 PM
I am huge sandy Cohen fan. Guy is fearless and he showed it again tonight
Agreed. Definitely has a bright future at MU.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Derrick actually sat more during the last 10 minutes than usual. But nobody other than Carlino and Cohen looked like they really wanted the ball. I can't wait until Cohen is strong enough to finish those drives. Or starts getting a little respect from the refs.
Would be nice if Duane had the attitude he had earlier in the year.
13 blocked shots by SJU, crazy.
Not enough Du. Wilson in closing minutes, he sat.
Taylor should not be allowed to take a three, good to see him make some short ones.
MU has the ugliest turnovers in Div I ball.........mind blowing really
Just a plain, ugly game by both sides.
I have two thoughts:
1. This team is playing very hard.
2. This team just doesn't have the horses.
Juan's last three games are just ugly: 88 minutes, 3-19, two free throws, 10 turnovers. Too bad no one else can rebound with any consistency.
Quote from: nyg on January 21, 2015, 09:19:46 PM
Not enough Du. Wilson in closing minutes, he sat.
Yep, need to have him in at that time. The offense was Carlino chucking, if he could get a shot off being the sole focus.
Quote from: connie on January 21, 2015, 09:23:03 PM
I have two thoughts:
1. This team is playing very hard.
2. This team just doesn't have the horses.
Yep. Missing pieces. But, still very competitive on the road. Not a bad team by any stretch of the imagination
1. Matt - very good
2. Steve - good
3. Sandy - ok
4-7. Derrick, Duane, Luke JJJ - bad
8. Juan - really bad
Team grade - D - St John's was awful, we were a smidge worse. Good effort, need better horses.
Quote from: Bradley Brew on January 21, 2015, 08:42:48 PM
Wojo needs to let Duane and JJ off the leash..... the season is going nowhere and Derrick and Juan are horrible. Let the future play more minutes, especially in crunch time.
Duane starts, played 22 minutes, and shot the ball nine times. I wouldn't say he is on the leash at all.
JJJ's problem is that he does some good things, and then follows it with multiple bad things. Sandy's 27 minutes show that Wojo isn't holding players back for the sake of it.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 21, 2015, 09:36:34 PM
JJJ's problem is that he does some good things, and then follows it with multiple bad things.
Yep. Had that highlight reel dunk, but was otherwise 0-4. Not exactly the way to get more minutes.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 21, 2015, 08:38:02 PM
Derrick had 0 points, 3 assists, and 3 turnovers. You cannot win in college basketball when your pg plays that many minutes and puts up stats like that. Just dreadful. On a positive note, Cohen and Carlino had impressive performances and Steve seemed to have more energy and bounce in his step than I've seen in awhile. Next year can't come soon enough!
He wasn't good by any means, but Derrick had 6 assists, not 3. And 7 rebounds.
Juan had his least minutes of the year. Derrick had his least in the BE season. When other players step up, Wojo will play them.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 21, 2015, 09:36:34 PM
Duane starts, played 22 minutes, and shot the ball nine times. I wouldn't say he is on the leash at all.
JJJ's problem is that he does some good things, and then follows it with multiple bad things. Sandy's 27 minutes show that Wojo isn't holding players back for the sake of it.
I think the biggest problem we have is that there is no traditional style point guard who can take charge and make people around him better. The more I watch this team I realize that several players have exceptional skills ,that can be exploited for our benefit,but that they need some one to set the play up to make it happen for them. Duane JJJ and Sandy would all benefit from a real point guard. Carlino is more of a 2 who can pass on occasion. Derrick is what Derrick is. I keep hoping for a magic rotation that will click but I think it keeps coming back to a lack of quarterback.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 21, 2015, 09:46:26 PM
Juan had his least minutes of the year. Derrick had his least in the BE season. When other players step up, Wojo will play them.
Which is weird. Because I thought once these two stopped playing as much, we would do SOOO much better. And the results are in...
Quote from: Texas Western on January 21, 2015, 09:48:40 PM
I think the biggest problem we have is that there is no traditional style point guard who can take charge and make people around him better. The more I watch this team I realize that several players have exceptional skills ,that can be exploited for our benefit,but that they need some one to set the play up to make it happen for them. Duane JJJ and Sandy would all benefit from a real point guard. Carlino is more of a 2 who can pass on occasion. Derrick is what Derrick is. I keep hoping for a magic rotation that will click but I think it keeps coming back to a lack of quarterback.
Among other things, I totally agree with you. Much the same as the problems we had last year. And, like last year, to this point there isn't a better option. Which is sad for many reasons.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 21, 2015, 09:48:40 PM
I think the biggest problem we have is that there is no traditional style point guard who can take charge and make people around him better. The more I watch this team I realize that several players have exceptional skills ,that can be exploited for our benefit,but that they need some one to set the play up to make it happen for them. Duane JJJ and Sandy would all benefit from a real point guard. Carlino is more of a 2 who can pass on occasion. Derrick is what Derrick is. I keep hoping for a magic rotation that will click but I think it keeps coming back to a lack of quarterback.
And don't disagree. There isn't anyone on this roster that is a traditional PG for next year either. That is why Wojo is looking at Jucos IMO.
The entire team was pretty bad outside of Carlino and Taylor. That said, Fischer's pathetic conference play continues and has cost us another game. I knew his weaknesses would get exposed when conference play began (despite the delusions from this board), but it's worse six games in than it was against DePaul. I'll be happy if his career ceiling is that of Otule at this point.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 21, 2015, 09:48:40 PM
I keep hoping for a magic rotation that will click but I think it keeps coming back to a lack of quarterback.
Our QB may not be Aaron Rodgers, but it doesn't help when your running backs are fumblers, your receivers run the wrong routes and your O line can't block.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 08:01:58 PM
2. Welcome back, freshman year, Steve! Now get consistent.
Steve may have made the two worst plays of the game:
1. Left Obepka alone on the baseline with under 2 minutes to play for an easy dunk that put SJU up by 3. (He left his position to double-team away from the ball.)
2. Let Obepka get inside position on a SJU miss with under 30 seconds to play - the single most important play of the game.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 21, 2015, 09:56:21 PM
And don't disagree. There isn't anyone on this roster that is a traditional PG for next year either. That is why Wojo is looking at Jucos IMO.
We need to find the best Juco PG we can possibly find and hope that we can get him admitted. Also , I would not be surprised to see Wojo experiment with Henry as PG against the Cupcakes next year.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on January 21, 2015, 09:57:04 PM
The entire team was pretty bad outside of Carlino and Taylor. That said, Fischer's pathetic conference play continues and has cost us another game. I knew his weaknesses would get exposed when conference play began (despite the delusions from this board), but it's worse six games in than it was against DePaul. I'll be happy if his career ceiling is that of Otule at this point.
Thanks for the laugh before bed.
Just got back from game. Right before Derrick slipped in the 1st half I noticed a few St. John's players looking around on the floor for something. My guess is water or a water bottle fell on the floor (their seats were right where Derrick slipped).
Kind of annoying the opposing team can "water" the floor which costs us a turnover. Yes, I know it was NOT on purpose and it didn't change the outcome of the game but certainly there should be some sort of penalty for watering the opposing team's side of the court??
Quote from: Texas Western on January 21, 2015, 10:15:44 PM
We need to find the best Juco PG we can possibly find and hope that we can get him admitted. Also , I would not be surprised to see Wojo experiment with Henry as PG against the Cupcakes next year.
There is no chance Hank ever plays point guard in college or the pros.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2015, 10:16:54 PM
There is no chance Hank ever plays point guard in college or the pros.
Earlier this year when I put out the poll about Derrick playing forward some people scoffed.... Derrick has been playing a lot of forward on the defensive side.
So all I am saying is I would not be surprised if Wojo experimented with Henry at PG. He has a good handle and decent court vision. People who have played against him said one of the big difficulties in defensing him is his ability to put it on the floor.
You have to be open minded in life sometimes....
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
I can't wait until Cohen is strong enough to finish those drives. Or starts getting a little respect from the refs.
This. Loved the bravery from Sandy tonight. Showed he knows when and how to slash to the hoop. He looked awkward at the end of the drives, but that will get fixed with experience and added strength. He was getting manhandled by St. John's, should have drawn three or four more fouls than he got.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 08:33:26 PM
Derrick was passive on both ends. Juan was overmatched on both ends.
Derrick was smart enough not to drive to the basket and get his shot rejected.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2015, 10:16:54 PM
There is no chance Hank ever plays point guard in college or the pros.
Explain The Marcus Jackson Incident...
Duane looks to my uneducated eye like he could be a fantastic point guard. What am I missing that you all see?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2015, 10:16:54 PM
There is no chance Hank ever plays point guard in college or the pros.
Thank you. It always amazes me the way some people think players are plug n play.
Quote from: Deonte's Inferno on January 21, 2015, 10:49:08 PM
Duane looks to my uneducated eye like he could be a fantastic point guard. What am I missing that you all see?
Physical skills your right. Mental make up is more of a 2. Thinks shot first pass second. PG other way around.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on January 21, 2015, 09:57:04 PM
The entire team was pretty bad outside of Carlino and Taylor. That said, Fischer's pathetic conference play continues and has cost us another game. I knew his weaknesses would get exposed when conference play began (despite the delusions from this board), but it's worse six games in than it was against DePaul. I'll be happy if his career ceiling is that of Otule at this point.
I'd say that's a little harsh. Luke in his first game had a better line than Otule ever had in a six year career. Is he this season's savior? No. Will he be a solid starter come next season? I'd say the smart money is yes. I think he could be quite a dangerous player come his senior season.
This is the worst MU offense statistically in a score. Mayo, Burton and Dawson would have scored points but Wojo values experience and defense as his program builders. The team left is playing hard and representing the uniform. However, if MU is going to lose, play the future. As I said before, this is a reset, not a rebuild year. Time for the coach to move on to that theme to see what he has.
Quote from: MarkusSharkus on January 21, 2015, 08:07:19 PM
Every time I watch this team I see a lot of potential. Could easily see us lose 6-8 of our final 12 games in the big east. But I wouldn't even be surprised if we made the big east tournament final. I'm optimistic while also having low expectations.
I don't totally know what you're seeing, the only way for us to win right now is with defense, and our only guy that can carry the team seemingly is a streak shooter who's also a senior. Thankfully we have more talent coming in next year, even though that means nothing until they prove it.
Quote from: connie on January 21, 2015, 09:23:03 PM
I have two thoughts:
1. This team is playing very hard.
2. This team just doesn't have the horses.
True on both, but the first thought I had tonight was that if St. John's makes a decent percentage of its wide-open threes, we lose by 15. They had open looks all night but for some reason shot like we always shoot. My other thought was that I was not impressed by JJJ's posing after his one basket of the night. Then on the next possession he went back to being JJJ, leading a 1-on-3 and losing the ball in the crowd. Can't wait for next year when he is buried on the bench.
Quote from: ecompt on January 21, 2015, 11:18:24 PM
True on both, but the first thought I had tonight was that if St. John's makes a decent percentage of its wide-open threes, we lose by 15. They had open looks all night but for some reason shot like we always shoot. My other thought was that I was not impressed by JJJ's posing after his one basket of the night. Then on the next possession he went back to being JJJ, leading a 1-on-3 and losing the ball in the crowd. Can't wait for next year when he is buried on the bench.
Really? Not can't wait for him to mature or be developed just buried? That's kind of a terrible attitude to have
I'll pose the question again because it came from a source as close to the coaches as it gets.....but what are people's thoughts on Haanif taking over the PG position? I realize he will be a true frosh and Wojo may want more experience at PG, but he has fantastic attributes for a ball handler (a Michael Carter-Williams mold without the same amount of talent coming in) and would give us a huge advantage running the point. Duane and hopefully a JUCO/Grad transfer can also take ball handling duties but that would really open things up personnel-wise if someone with Haanif's size plays the point. Personally, I think it'd be a great move.
Quote from: onepostellenson on January 21, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
what are people's thoughts on Haanif taking over the PG position?
I think it's a WAY more viable option than Henry :)
Quote from: nyg on January 21, 2015, 09:19:46 PM
13 blocked shots by SJU, crazy.
Not enough Du. Wilson in closing minutes, he sat.
Taylor should not be allowed to take a three, good to see him make some short ones.
MU has the ugliest turnovers in Div I ball.........mind blowing really
Just a plain, ugly game by both sides.
First complet game I have been able to watch this season. Jeez, we are not a good team, are we? Not a lot of talent. Not a lot of smarts. Not a lot of attention to b-ball fundamentals. Not a lot of toughness. Not a lot of inspired coaching noted. Going to be a rough second half of the season I'm afraid.
Would be interesting to see how many teams have won a game with two starters not scoring a point. Sad.
Quote from: ecompt on January 21, 2015, 11:18:24 PM
True on both, but the first thought I had tonight was that if St. John's makes a decent percentage of its wide-open threes, we lose by 15. They had open looks all night but for some reason shot like we always shoot.
SJU shot 26.1% from three tonight. They shoot 32% on the season. They weren't that far off their average. MU turned SJU into a jumpshooting team, which is exactly what Wojo's plan was. Unfortunately, the offense could hold up their end of the bargain.
Quote from: ecompt on January 21, 2015, 11:18:24 PM
My other thought was that I was not impressed by JJJ's posing after his one basket of the night. Then on the next possession he went back to being JJJ, leading a 1-on-3 and losing the ball in the crowd. Can't wait for next year when he is buried on the bench.
Why would you wish for that? How about hoping he works his ass off and comes back better than ever? JjJ's offensive game reminds me of Vander Blue (unfortunately their defenses are nowhere near the same level). Vander took a huge leap between his sophomore and junior seasons. Maybe JjJ can do the same.
Am I the only person who sees Carlino as a necessary evil? Obviously, we are absolutely desperate for his shooting, but when he hits a shot or two he abandons any pretense and does what he wants out there, spacing or open teammates be damned. If we are in a rebuilding mode, I'd honestly rather see JJJ and Cohen take Carlino's minutes as he's clearly not on board with the team concept and he's a carpet bagger to boot.
I thought it was very revealing that Lavin brought up Carlino's "three educations" (UCLA, BYU, Marquette) in the post game. For all the hand wringing on here about JUCOs, I don't remember ever feeling like holding my nose while hoping they contribute. Rooting for Carlino feels like rooting for drugs to defeat an addict.
Great game for Cohen and one of Taylor's best.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 21, 2015, 11:13:29 PM
This is the worst MU offense statistically in a score. Mayo, Burton and Dawson would have scored points but Wojo values experience and defense as his program builders. The team left is playing hard and representing the uniform. However, if MU is going to lose, play the future. As I said before, this is a reset, not a rebuild year. Time for the coach to move on to that theme to see what he has.
But it's not like we're getting our butt kicked every game. Our four BEast losses have been by an average of about 4 points, so we're are in close games. Yes, we are losing them and that's frustrating. And, yes, our gaps and inexperience are seen in virtually every game. But I don't see the need to give up on the season.
In fact, if I compare my feelings about last season and this season in mid-January, I recall feeling like last year the season was totally slipping away, like there was no hope. At this point last year, I was more willing to throw in the towel and turn more towards youth. This year (which is obviously different simply because we only have 8 players), I have more of a hopeful feel, like things are coming together. It doesn't mean I feel like we're about to start winning, but I just don't have this heavy, negative feeling like last year.
Quote from: Daniel on January 21, 2015, 08:17:07 PM
The co-captains are Derrick and Juan
Funny thing is, he didn't know that but shot his mouth off anyhow. A red blooded American.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2015, 08:17:43 PM
Carlino isn't a senior leader? Or did you just mean 4th year senior? Because I'm fairly certain Carlino is a senior, and it seems to me like Derrick and Carlino are the guys who the team looks to for leadership. So...?
Still shooting the old mouth off. Reading is fundamental. I said senior captains. Repeat 100 times: Reading is fundamental!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 21, 2015, 08:38:02 PM
Derrick had 0 points, 3 assists, and 3 turnovers. You cannot win in college basketball when your pg plays that many minutes and puts up stats like that. Just dreadful. On a positive note, Cohen and Carlino had impressive performances and Steve seemed to have more energy and bounce in his step than I've seen in awhile. Next year can't come soon enough!
But wait...he had 7 rebounds, all were great position rebounds playing out of his normal position on the back end of the zone when St. John's clanged one of their many. Pound for pound, best rebounder on the team, justifying his 33 minutes per game. We do not need any more offense at the Guard position, we have Carlino doing it all by himself. I mean c'mon, we are not at all struggling for points, are we? And after all Derrick is the best option isn"t he? Never mind that Carlino and Duane can play the point, and JJJ and Sandy also play Guard. So can Juan--oops he hasn't been scoring lately. We need Derrick's solid rebounding and dribbling.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 21, 2015, 09:07:11 PM
Completely agree.
But not going to happen. Carlino will be allowed to swish 3 straight and then play out of control, throwing up two straight airballs. Very good shooter, but has no clue when not to gun.
Quote from: Deonte's Inferno on January 21, 2015, 10:49:08 PM
Duane looks to my uneducated eye like he could be a fantastic point guard. What am I missing that you all see?
Nothing. You are seeing and observing. Others are blinded by their Derrick glasses. Since this season is already a rebuild, why not try him for long stretches at PG to see how it goes? He is going to be here next year, the elite one will be gone. Besides Wojo can always play Derrick at the 3 or 4 with his rebounding and defensive prowess. But none of that will likely happen.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 21, 2015, 11:13:29 PM
This is the worst MU offense statistically in a score. Mayo, Burton and Dawson would have scored points but Wojo values experience and defense as his program builders. The team left is playing hard and representing the uniform. However, if MU is going to lose, play the future. As I said before, this is a reset, not a rebuild year. Time for the coach to move on to that theme to see what he has.
Exactly. Give Duane more minutes at PG to see how he plays. Give Sandy more minutes also.
Quote from: brandx on January 21, 2015, 10:01:23 PM
Steve may have made the two worst plays of the game:
1. Left Obepka alone on the baseline with under 2 minutes to play for an easy dunk that put SJU up by 3. (He left his position to double-team away from the ball.)
2. Let Obepka get inside position on a SJU miss with under 30 seconds to play - the single most important play of the game.
Only saw the last 6 minutes. Both of these plays stood out for me also.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 22, 2015, 06:40:03 AM
But wait...he had 7 rebounds, all were great position rebounds playing out of his normal position on the back end of the zone when St. John's clanged one of their many. Pound for pound, best rebounder on the team, justifying his 33 minutes per game. We do not need any more offense at the Guard position, we have Carlino doing it all by himself. I mean c'mon, we are not at all struggling for points, are we? And after all Derrick is the best option isn"t he? Never mind that Carlino and Duane can play the point, and JJJ and Sandy also play Guard. So can Juan--oops he hasn't been scoring lately. We need Derrick's solid rebounding and dribbling.
6 assists, 3 turnovers. Would have been 7 assists if Luke had dunked when Derrick got the ball to him right under the hoop with nobody near him...but Luke decided to wait for Obekpa to show up.
So yeah, 6 assists and 7 rebounds with only 3 turnovers. Like him or not, he IS the best option at PG this season.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 22, 2015, 07:48:08 AM
Only saw the last 6 minutes. Both of these plays stood out for me also.
Also, his two three point attempts were dumb and ugly looking jump shots, should rarely take those, so to take two in the space of three minutes was surprisingly dumb in my opinion.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 22, 2015, 06:29:28 AM
Funny thing is, he didn't know that but shot his mouth off anyhow. A red blooded American.
Where does Marquette list its captains? Haven't seen it, but I'm sure they do. And when I see it's Juan and Derrick then I'll say, hey, you were right, my bad. Unlike you, who just goes MIA from the rest of the thread.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on January 21, 2015, 09:57:04 PM
The entire team was pretty bad outside of Carlino and Taylor. That said, Fischer's pathetic conference play continues and has cost us another game. I knew his weaknesses would get exposed when conference play began (despite the delusions from this board), but it's worse six games in than it was against DePaul. I'll be happy if his career ceiling is that of Otule at this point.
I'm not going to go as far as you, but he really need to learn how to bang more down there. The couple dribbles and weak little hook shot isn't going to get it done in the BE. Good news is that he is young and can learn.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 22, 2015, 08:52:12 AM
I'm not going to go as far as you, but he really need to learn how to bang more down there. The couple dribbles and weak little hook shot isn't going to get it done in the BE. Good news is that he is young and can learn.
+1
Sure hope that Luke spends the summer in the weight room. You could see that Wojo was upset last night.
Quote from: onepostellenson on January 21, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
I'll pose the question again because it came from a source as close to the coaches as it gets.....but what are people's thoughts on Haanif taking over the PG position? I realize he will be a true frosh and Wojo may want more experience at PG, but he has fantastic attributes for a ball handler (a Michael Carter-Williams mold without the same amount of talent coming in) and would give us a huge advantage running the point. Duane and hopefully a JUCO/Grad transfer can also take ball handling duties but that would really open things up personnel-wise if someone with Haanif's size plays the point. Personally, I think it'd be a great move.
I have never seen him play, so I do not know. I also know that while Duane and Cohen could play point, but they should not be playing point. I have not seen Nick play, but many have said he is really more of a two instead of a point. Wojo in desperation might start Haanif at point. Generally, a freshmen point guard has a lot of learning to do. The worst part is that Haanif does not play point in high school, so he will have a really have a lot to earn. Assuming Wojo does not recruit a true point guard, next year will be worse than this year.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 22, 2015, 08:44:22 AM
Where does Marquette list its captains? Haven't seen it, but I'm sure they do. And when I see it's Juan and Derrick then I'll say, hey, you were right, my bad. Unlike you, who just goes MIA from the rest of the thread.
Can anybody find where it was said that Derrick and Juan were named the team's co-captains? I looked a little bit but couldn't find anything.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 22, 2015, 10:59:05 AM
Can anybody find where it was said that Derrick and Juan were named the team's co-captains? I looked a little bit but couldn't find anything.
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2014/10/7/6939965/marquette-golden-eagles-derrick-wilson-juan-anderson-captains-2014-ncaa-season
Quote from: mattyv1908 on January 21, 2015, 09:57:04 PM
Fischer's pathetic conference play continues and has cost us another game. I knew his weaknesses would get exposed when conference play began (despite the delusions from this board), but it's worse six games in than it was against DePaul. I'll be happy if his career ceiling is that of Otule at this point.
Who knew Fischer personally had the power to, all by himself, cost us 4 conference games?
Pathetic! The kid is pathetic! We were SOOOO much better before he came along!
He should be flogged in the public square, then tarred and feathered and then cast into the sea with weights around his ankles.
Pathetic Luke has ruined this potential NCAA championship season for the last time, dammit!!
Quote from: lessthannick11 on January 22, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2014/10/7/6939965/marquette-golden-eagles-derrick-wilson-juan-anderson-captains-2014-ncaa-season
Thanks. Had not seen that. I was wrong.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 22, 2015, 10:59:05 AM
Can anybody find where it was said that Derrick and Juan were named the team's co-captains? I looked a little bit but couldn't find anything.
Man--way to go out of your way to try to call me out. Here you go, Mr. MIA:
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112214aab.html
Quote from: willie warrior on January 22, 2015, 11:24:05 AM
Man--way to go out of your way to try to call me out. Here you go, Mr. MIA:
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112214aab.html
To try to call you out? Huh? Not at all. Like I said in the post above yours (funny that you're the run bringing up "reading is essential"), I was wrong. Unlike you, I am not MIA. But hey, valiant effort man.
Quote from: MU82 on January 22, 2015, 11:11:17 AM
Who knew Fischer personally had the power to, all by himself, cost us 4 conference games?
+1
Luke may not be perfect, he may be having struggles, but anyone that thinks we'd be better off without him is out of their mind. We have 8 guys, there are no alternatives.
One thing is clear:
Wojo will ride the hot hand.
Steve taylor looked good, so he got more minutes. JJJ had some mistakes, so he was limited. Sandy got lots of opportunities. etc. etc.
Best thing about Sandy Cohen is that he does not play scared. How many of our 4 and 4.5 star players on the roster came into a freshman year and played like they are on some sort of leash, or are afraid that they were going to be labeled a bust? JJJ im looking at you.
Cohen was is only a 3 star player and he acts like he came in with a 5 star ranking. Everyone needs that attitude. Cohen misses a shot; It is just that he misses a shot but than gets right back on defense. Misses two shots? Next time he gets the ball he slashes to the hoop against great defenders like Dom Pointer and scores a bucket. Miss an assignment on defense? Sandy doesnt point, just spots up and nails a three.
In some ways I am jealous of the Badgers because it always seems like their 3 star players from Crivitz come in miss a shot and dont care. When JJJ misses a shot? Well he might as well just leave the floor because he pretty much just stops what he is doing.
In two years Sandy Cohen is either going to be getting huge minutes, or he will be on the bench. Either way the guy is not going to give a "F" when he gets out their and he will play with some guts.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 22, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
To try to call you out? Huh? Not at all. Like I said in the post above yours (funny that you're the run bringing up "reading is essential"), I was wrong. Unlike you, I am not MIA. But hey, valiant effort man.
Sure you were. You wanted evidence to prove that I was wrong. You could not find it. Your sarcastic remarks confirm that. Just admit it--you will feel better.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 22, 2015, 04:39:23 PM
Sure you were. You wanted evidence to prove that I was wrong. You could not find it. Your sarcastic remarks confirm that. Just admit it--you will feel better.
I posted this...
Quote from: wadesworld on January 22, 2015, 11:23:32 AM
Thanks. Had not seen that. I was wrong.
Before you even posted this...
Quote from: willie warrior on January 22, 2015, 11:24:05 AM
Man--way to go out of your way to try to call me out. Here you go, Mr. MIA:
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112214aab.html
And
you are the one who ran away when you were proven wrong.
You are a freaking nut.