Hasn't entered game and was on bench with ice on knees. Also only played 12 against creighton.
Either that or he's in the doghouse.
More like he hurt the team in his 12 minutes against Creighton.
He played poorly against Creighton and we're clicking well without him today. Its probably as simple as that
I doubt Wojo would only go 7 deep for that reason. It's asking a lot and could screw us if we get in foul trouble.
Quote from: MUMonster03 on January 17, 2015, 11:40:23 AM
I doubt Wojo would only go 7 deep for that reason. It's asking a lot and could screw us if we get in foul trouble.
Especially with Juan having 3.
Matt V said no injury in the jsonline blog. Shocked that he didn't come in when Duane picked up two quick fouls in the final couple minutes.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 17, 2015, 11:49:06 AM
He has 3? I thought 2.
He's got 3, but apparently one of the fouls that looked like it was on Duane was called on Carlino. So only Juan (3) and Fischer (2) are in foul trouble.
Whatever the reason for the DNP fouls may be about to sink us.
Fischer has to learn to kick it back out instead of forcing in the lane. That being said, when he isn't in there we are in a world of hurt.
Velaquez says it's a coach's decision. No word on why.
Unless he killed someone, you can't sit someone WHEN YOUR TEAM HAS EIGHT PLAYERS! Punish him by running sprints until he pukes.
JJJ plays .. scores 4-6+ points .. soaks up 15 minutes other guys can rest .. that would swing the game.
Truly sad. Top 30 player gets DNP-CD with so few bodies
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 17, 2015, 01:05:07 PM
JJJ plays .. scores 4-6+ points .. soaks up 15 minutes other guys can rest .. that would swing the game.
Maybe, or he misses 3 ill advised threes, gets lost on defense, and turns the ball over 4 times and we lose by 10. It's impossible to say. I trust Wojo had his reasons for keeping him out.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 17, 2015, 01:09:20 PM
Truly sad. Top 30 player gets DNP-CD with so few bodies
Hard to say "sad" when you don't know why he was sitting. Hope he's able to roar back for St. John's though.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 17, 2015, 01:05:07 PM
JJJ plays .. scores 4-6+ points .. soaks up 15 minutes other guys can rest .. that would swing the game.
You simply can't say that. We don't know why coach sat him. Perhaps Homer will ask. But to claim he would have turned the game is absurd.
Quote from: Afroman on January 17, 2015, 01:04:08 PM
Unless he killed someone, you can't sit someone WHEN YOUR TEAM HAS EIGHT PLAYERS! Punish him by running sprints until he pukes.
So you know why he was DNP?
Quote from: jsglow on January 17, 2015, 01:12:33 PM
You simply can't say that. We don't know why coach sat him. Perhaps Homer will ask. But to claim he would have turned the game is absurd.
I think he's saying IF we got that out of him, it would have. Given the foul trouble and bad D in the 2nd, I don't think its absurd.
I hope it's not grades. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. What if he's out for the semester?
I will say that he didn't look happy sitting on the bench. I suppose that can be taken two ways. He might have been unhappy with coach or he might have been unhappy with the situation knowing exactly why he was nailed there.
Quote from: LAZER on January 17, 2015, 01:16:29 PM
I think he's saying IF we got that out of him, it would have. Given the foul trouble and bad D in the 2nd, I don't think its absurd.
But the word IF doesn't appear in his post. Stand by my comment.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 17, 2015, 01:16:34 PM
I hope it's not grades. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. What if he's out for the semester?
Great. Let's disparage the guy.
If he were out due to grades, it would have been announced long before the second semester started.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 17, 2015, 01:16:34 PM
I hope it's not grades. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. What if he's out for the semester?
What an idiotic statement. How in the hell do you know how smart he is?
Wojo interview quote... "based on the way he practiced".
No injury.
Not grades.
I guess that's good news.
WOJO just said. He practiced bad and wasn't ready to play. "If you don't bring it everyday in practice, I don't have confidence putting you in on the road in the Big East."
wojo just said on the post game that JJJ didnt play because he didnt practice well. acknowledged that it limited the team but that he wouldnt compromise standards for that...
Also said that "yes, even if that limits us to 7 for the game."
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 17, 2015, 01:16:34 PM
I hope it's not grades. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. What if he's out for the semester?
Impossible. School started Monday. There are no grades.
Alternatively, an unexcused absence from class....... I'm not saying anything but that could get a kid nailed to the bench as a lesson.
Edit. Glad Wojo said something.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 17, 2015, 01:20:33 PM
Wojo interview quote... "based on the way he practiced".
Fair enough. That actually makes it sound like he was late for practice, or some other practice transgression. It's not like you just show up one day and the coach goes "wow, you're a bad practice player, you're gonna' get a DNP"
Quote from: JTBMU7 on January 17, 2015, 01:21:24 PM
wojo just said on the post game that JJJ didnt play because he didnt practice well. acknowledged that it limited the team but that he wouldnt compromise standards for that...
JJJ will be our next transfer. Said it a couple months ago and I'll say it again.
Good for Wojo.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 17, 2015, 01:16:34 PM
I hope it's not grades. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. What if he's out for the semester?
C'mon man. If you want to say "I hope its not grades" that's fine. Why do you have to insult the kid? How could you possibly know anything about the kids intelligence?
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 17, 2015, 01:23:25 PM
JJJ will be our next transfer. Said it a couple months ago and I'll say it again.
Then so be it, kid's got a golden opportunity in front of him.
Amazing. Wojo basically admitted he gave the game away. Punish the team because one guy didn't practice well. Can't win with only seven players, especially against a good team on the road.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 17, 2015, 01:16:34 PM
I hope it's not grades. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. What if he's out for the semester?
Mike Broeker tweeted at the end of the first semester that the basketball team had their highest team GPA in over a decade. Highly unlikely grades will be an issue with Wojo as coach, it is just not acceptable to this program under his leadership.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 17, 2015, 01:23:25 PM
JJJ will be our next transfer. Said it a couple months ago and I'll say it again.
If he transfers because the coach sits him for not practicing well, then good riddance.
I guess its nice to see Wojo has standards
But a complete DNP because of a bad practice??? That could have likely been the reason we lost?
I mean why not give him a couple minute burst and see if he's truly in a "bad" spell or if that practice was a fluke.
Good for Wojo, it takes stones to hold to a punishment in a tight game. Hopefully this shows his resolve and inspires JjJ to bring it every day. I hope his teammates also get on him for letting the team down.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 17, 2015, 01:26:58 PM
I guess its nice to see Wojo has standards
But a complete DNP because of a bad practice??? That could have likely been the reason we lost?
I mean why not give him a couple minute burst and see if he's truly in a "bad" spell or if that practice was a fluke.
I have my doubts that it was truly one bad practice.
Quote from: WarriorHal on January 17, 2015, 01:25:27 PM
Amazing. Wojo basically admitted he gave the game away. Punish the team because one guy didn't practice well. Can't win with only seven players, especially against a good team on the road.
That's how you become a losing team long term. It's one freakin' game. Bigger life lessons to be taught.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 17, 2015, 01:26:58 PM
I guess its nice to see Wojo has standards
But a complete DNP because of a bad practice??? That could have likely been the reason we lost?
I mean why not give him a couple minute burst and see if he's truly in a "bad" spell or if that practice was a fluke.
I don't think this was a "he was playing bad in practice" situation. I think this was an "he isn't putting in any effort into practice" or "not showing up to practice" type situation.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 17, 2015, 01:23:25 PM
JJJ will be our next transfer. Said it a couple months ago and I'll say it again.
Fine. This is the second straight year he's put himself in the doghouse and let down his teammates. And Wojo is the second straight coach to bench him for his attitude. He's got a ton of talent but if he can't get his stuff together we won't miss him.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 17, 2015, 01:28:29 PM
Good for Wojo, it takes stones to hold to a punishment in a tight game. Hopefully this shows his resolve and inspires JjJ to bring it every day. I hope his teammates also get on him for letting the team down.
Can the teammates really do that though?
Wouldn't he be able to do the same thing the next time Duane plays "bad" in a game and goes 1-10 from the floor?
The words Wojo chose were he played bad. Not that he didn't try or was late or wouldn't listen. He just didn't practice well.
We would hve intersquad wars if that happened.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 17, 2015, 01:30:04 PM
I don't think this was a "he was playing bad in practice" situation. I think this was an "he isn't putting in any effort into practice" or "not showing up to practice" type situation.
This is what I am hoping it was(not hoping in that I want it to happen but in terms of the situation).
But I feel Wojo should say it like that then because it makes way more sense
And then your comment about the players should get on him, would work a lot better as well.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 17, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
Fine. This is the second straight year he's put himself in the doghouse and let down his teammates. And Wojo is the second straight coach to bench him for his attitude. He's got a ton of talent but if he can't get his stuff together we won't miss him.
So is it his attitude or his practice habits?
I'm not going to parse Wojo's words. I'll assume a 'bad practice' is code for something other than 1-10 in Kasten yesterday.
Quote from: jsglow on January 17, 2015, 01:29:48 PM
That's how you become a losing team long term. It's one freakin' game. Bigger life lessons to be taught.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"
Quote from: WarriorHal on January 17, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"
Interesting choice to quote Lombardi. He also said this: "Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
If any coach understood how important bringing it in practice was, it was Lombardi.
Quote from: jsglow on January 17, 2015, 01:35:19 PM
I'm not going to parse Wojo's words. I'll assume a 'bad practice' is code for something other than 1-10 in Kasten yesterday.
Exactly.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 17, 2015, 01:33:21 PM
So is it his attitude or his practice habits?
Bad practice habits = bad attitude. Though I think there's even more to it than that.
If anything has been consistent about JJJ in his two years, it's that he checks out mentally if he's not involved offensively. He was terrible against Creighton, so it wouldn't surprise me if his focus/effort level dropped in practice.
Buzz still trying to throw the season? Most coaches pretty similar, aina?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 17, 2015, 01:40:46 PM
Interesting choice to quote Lombardi. He also said this: "Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
If any coach understood how important bringing it in practice was, it was Lombardi.
+1. Sums it up perfectly. No coach worth his salt tolerates bad habits.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 17, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
Bad practice habits = bad attitude. Though I think there's even more to it than that.
Then the coach should have left him at home.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 17, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
Then the coach should have left him at home.
Nope. You do everything the team does. Then sit there and watch it. Wojo's only obligation is to explain it to the player like a man.
Quote from: jsglow on January 17, 2015, 02:05:16 PM
Nope. You do everything the team does. Then sit there and watch it. Wojo's only obligation is to explain it to the player like a man.
Disagree if it is more like what Lenny said. No reason to travel with the team and add a further distraction. Earn your way on the road just like many of MU's other sports who don't have the travel budgets.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 17, 2015, 01:23:25 PM
JJJ will be our next transfer. Said it a couple months ago and I'll say it again.
Then let him go. Buzz planted his ass on the bench quite a bit last year. The young fella needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror. Kudos to Wojo for doing what he did.
He is the coach, his call. Based on Wojo's career, I have total respect for his process. This season was a loss going in. Hopefully, some of the guys learn how tough it is to win and bring it every day.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 17, 2015, 01:29:24 PM
I have my doubts that it was truly one bad practice.
Agree. By saying it was a bad practice Wojo minimizes the problem publically and he keeps the door open for JJJ to come back provided he changes. No change eventually he will be toast.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 17, 2015, 01:23:25 PM
JJJ will be our next transfer. Said it a couple months ago and I'll say it again.
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So be it. Adios m'fooker
Quote from: WarriorHal on January 17, 2015, 01:25:27 PM
Amazing. Wojo basically admitted he gave the game away. Punish the team because one guy didn't practice well.
No he didn't.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 17, 2015, 02:09:23 PM
Disagree if it is more like what Lenny said. No reason to travel with the team and add a further distraction. Earn your way on the road just like many of MU's other sports who don't have the travel budgets.
No way. The best message is watching your teammates work their ass off. Staying home is the cowards way out. Face the music, he let his teamates down. Feel the heat, look your teamates in the face. Wojo is right on.
o.k., but he had ice on his knee(s) while on the bench? if that was the case, could he have had a "bad practice" because he is having issues with the knee(s)? if wojo didn't think he was 100% for any reason, it's a coaches decision. the comment about how sharp his knives are was brutal imho of course
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 17, 2015, 01:40:46 PM
Interesting choice to quote Lombardi. He also said this: "Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
I thought that was a Don Gosz quote. ;)
This is the year Wojo sets the foundation for his " Our MU" program - not I tolerate things this year because we are short handed- this is the MZu way! I LOVE That he Is doing it! It will pay dividends in he long run!
Quote from: RealWarriorFan on January 17, 2015, 05:54:35 PM
This is the year Wojo sets the foundation for his " Our MU" program - not I tolerate things this year because we are short handed- this is the MZu way! I LOVE That he Is doing it! It will pay dividends in he long run!
+1000
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 17, 2015, 01:25:46 PM
If he transfers because the coach sits him for not practicing well, then good riddance.
It will be interesting to see if lesson learned and we see him in the next game.
Warrior Hal please be reminded that this is College basketball not the pros. There is much more involved than winning games at a university. If JJJ isn't giving his all in practice its shortsighted on his part. There's playing time to be had this year.
Throughout the decades, coaches/managers in all sports have made decision with the long term in mind that, in the short term, have been detrimental to their teams.
Hell, Popovich had several games last season where he benched Duncan, Ginobili AND Parker -- knowing full well that doing so probably would cost him those games but believing that his decision would yield long-term benefits. And he was right.
I umpire youth baseball. I had a game last season in which the team's best player cried every time even the tiniest thing went wrong. When he pitched and fell behind 2-0 in the count, he started whimpering. When he played shortstop and made a throwing error, the tears flowed. When a teammate made an error, he wailed. It was the damnedest thing I've seen in my years as an ump. His father was the coach and threatened about a dozen times to bench his kid. "Get yourself together. Do I have to take you out of the game?" But the father/coach was too weak to do anything and he let the kid make the rules -- to the long-term (and short-term) detriment of the team. How could this father/coach possibly hope to have any discipline on his team when he couldn't handle his own son?
A couple months ago, the Carolina Panthers cut several veterans and benched several others to go young. It appeared at the time that they were sacrificing this season. Lo and behold, the young players quickly "got it" and the Panthers won every game they had to down the stretch to make the playoffs and even win a postseason game.
Baseball teams make long-term-vs-short-term decisions every season. They decide by mid-July that they have little chance to be legitimate contenders and they make trades that will hurt them in the near term but (hopefully) benefit them down the line. Were the Braves wrong to trade Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz? Were the Astros wrong to trade Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell?
And yes, many, many, many coaches/managers in all sports at all levels have benched players -- stars far better than JJJ, even -- for disciplinary reasons for the overall long-term good of the team.
I don't know why this is such a difficult concept for some to comprehend.
I won't drop names, but one of the greatest managers in baseball history once told me: "Sometimes you have to be willing to lose the game today to win the pennant tomorrow."
Quote from: MU82 on January 18, 2015, 09:59:00 AM
I umpire youth baseball. I had a game last season in which the team's best player cried every time even the tiniest thing went wrong. When he pitched and fell behind 2-0 in the count, he started whimpering. When he played shortstop and made a throwing error, the tears flowed. When a teammate made an error, he wailed. It was the damnedest thing I've seen in my years as an ump. His father was the coach and threatened about a dozen times to bench his kid. "Get yourself together. Do I have to take you out of the game?" But the father/coach was too weak to do anything and he let the kid make the rules -- to the long-term (and short-term) detriment of the team. How could this father/coach possibly hope to have any discipline on his team when he couldn't handle his own son?
I won't drop names, but one of the greatest managers in baseball history once told me: "Sometimes you have to be willing to lose the game today to win the pennant tomorrow."
Tom Treblehorn?
Quote from: RealWarriorFan on January 17, 2015, 05:54:35 PM
This is the year Wojo sets the foundation for his " Our MU" program - not I tolerate things this year because we are short handed- this is the MZu way! I LOVE That he Is doing it! It will pay dividends in he long run!
Strongly agree. Wojo is the Boss. Not some 18-21 year old college kid. Wojo is the face of the program and whether or not I agree with his reasoning, he is enforcing his rules as he sees fit. If (IF) that means we lose a road game that breaks my heart, so be it. We will be much better off in the long run.
Excellent comment MU82! Wojo is the conductor of this orchestra and the team has to play his tune. As a side comment, I especially agree with your comment about Carolina going younger and enjoying success. The Packers have enjoyed much success by playing younger players. I only wish the Brewers would understand this concept and "go younger." They can't win with old players that are set in their ways.
Quote from: MU82 on January 18, 2015, 09:59:00 AM
I won't drop names, but one of the greatest managers in baseball history once told me: "Sometimes you have to be willing to lose the game today to win the pennant tomorrow."
Mike Quade?
@MU-
Unfortunately with professional sports issues such as cap room and payroll become a factor that can be even stronger than competing. I'm not sure it works as an analogy in this case however. That would be like Wojo intentionally playing walk ons over scholarship players to encourage transfers to open up scholarships.