Everyone thought/assumed this would be a down year. After all we lost something like 80% of the minutes and scoring from last year.
But, could it actually be an up year? Consider:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/year/2014/teamId/269
Overall Record Conf. Record RPI BPI
All Of Last Year 17-15 9-9 90 71
So Far This Year 10-6 2-2 93 72
The numbers above essentially say we are exactly in the same position this year versus all of last year.
Are you surprised? If so, does this mean Wojo is doing better than we thought?
Thoughts?
'Better'. Can be a very subjective term. Better compared to expectations.
No, but the fact that it's a completely valid question indicates just how badly last year's team underperformed.
No
Better talent: No
Better team: Yes
Last year was not a team, they were a rudderless ship. A bunch of individuals on the floor with no leadership. This year by definition of what a team is, is better. Because this year, they play together and they play hard.
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on January 15, 2015, 12:44:17 PM
Better talent: No
Better team: Yes
Last year was not a team, they were a rudderless ship. A bunch of individuals on the floor with no leadership. This year by definition of what a team is, is better. Because this year, they play together and they play hard.
Looks about the same by the numbers. We are improved in one area: We are less a phony down home lonesome cowboy coach.
This team might not win a Big East road game, so there is no way it is better than last year's.
Neither team is/was especially good.
Last year's team was far more frustrating because of the high expectations due to the frontcourt talent we theoretically had and the highly ranked recruiting class.
This year's team has just about the record I expected now, give or take a win or loss.
Better coach, better overall program this season. Nothin' but wood goin' forward, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 15, 2015, 01:35:08 PM
Better coach, better overall program this season. Nothin' but wood goin' forward, hey?
The question I was asking myself last night at halftime was "Did Buzz ever have a team that did not shoot a free throw in the first half? It is hard to quantify who is the better coach. In the beginning I did not think Wojo knew how to coach defense. Now, I think he is a very good defensive coach, but I am wondering if he can coach offense. Buzz insistence on paint touches at times was limiting last year's team, but his teams generally got foul a lot. Of course Gardner was much more likely to get fouled than Fischer is.
Guards are better this year. Duane > Jake, Derrick > 2014 Derrick, Carlino = Mayo, JJJ > 2014 JJJ
Frontcourt not as good. Fisch/Taylor < Oxtule, Juan < Jamil, Sandy = 2014 Juan.
Overall, about the same. But since it's a guards game I'd say this year's team is a little better.
Had Buzz stayed we would have lost Carlino and probably Steve and JJJ while adding Pierce, Hill, Shayock and Mayo. Best guess is that team would have been 12-4, 3-1 at this stage. But (and it's a big but) no Henry on the way.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 15, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
Guards are better this year. Duane > Jake, Derrick > 2014 Derrick, Carlino = Mayo, JJJ > 2014 JJJ
Frontcourt not as good. Fisch/Taylor < Oxtule, Juan < Jamil, Sandy = 2014 Juan.
Overall, about the same. But since it's a guards game I'd say this year's team is a little better.
Had Buzz stayed we would have lost Carlino and probably Steve and JJJ while adding Pierce, Hill, Shayock and Mayo. Best guess is that team would have been 12-4, 3-1 at this stage. But (and it's a big but) no Henry on the way.
So we would have won Depaul, and what else?
Mayo gone either way.
Burton would have started every game and stayed and struggled mightily.
10-7, 1-3 had Buzz stayed. No Henry ... How about Diamond?
We won't ses a BE record of 9-9 this year.
The coaching is better this year considering the talent
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 15, 2015, 02:00:01 PM
So we would have won Depaul, and what else?
Mayo gone either way.
Burton would have started every game and stayed and struggled mightily.
10-7, 1-3 had Buzz stayed. No Henry ... How about Diamond?
Whoops, forgot we would have had Burton, too. So at least 12-4, 3-1. Burton may have struggled a bit early but with Fischer he would have thrived.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 15, 2015, 02:07:50 PM
The coaching is better this year considering the talent
The entire atmosphere is better this year. I had no idea what it was at the time (maybe I still don't), but you had the feeling last year that there was something not right.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 15, 2015, 02:00:01 PM
So we would have won Depaul, and what else?
Mayo gone either way.
Burton would have started every game and stayed and struggled mightily.
10-7, 1-3 had Buzz stayed. No Henry ... How about Diamond?
First it would be 9-7 and second no way would we be 1-3 in conference with that proposed team lol. Still 2-2 at the very least and probably 3-1 maybe even 4-0 as we barely lost to Gtown as well.
I prefer this team we have now though because we are building towards something great. This is just part of the process.
This year's team certainly plays like more of a team than last year's did. I would lean towards this year being better for a few reasons. First, better guard play. I'd take this year's Derrick, Carlino, and Duane over last year's Derrick, Mayo, and Jake any day of the week. Frontcourt wise, Davante, Otule, and Jamil would definitely edge out Fischer, Taylor, and Juan, though it's probably closer than we might think. I loved our twin towers (though it was more like a tower and a mountain), but Juan has filled the gap left by Jamil very ably.
For me, though, the main difference is the feeling of this year's team. While last year's team constantly felt like frustration and missed opportunities, this year's team feels like optimism. I'm a much bigger fan of being pleasantly surprised than expectant and disappointed.
Paint Touches @PaintTouches 2 hours ago
Looking at KenPom, #mubb has the best defense (95.6 D Efficiency) and worst offense (95.6 O Efficiency) in Big East play.
Any team with Derrick Wilson running the floor 30 plus minutes is going to struggle to break .500. So I would say under the least common denominator theory the teams are about the same.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 15, 2015, 03:30:20 PM
Any team with Derrick Wilson running the floor 30 plus minutes is going to struggle to break .500. So I would say under the least common denominator theory the teams are about the same.
You do realize this years team is 10-6 with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes a game, yes? Steve Taylor's absence from a depth perspective is far more significant to this years team.
Last year's team is a different argument, a Derrick argument makes more sense there.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 15, 2015, 03:30:20 PM
Any team with Derrick Wilson running the floor 30 plus minutes is going to struggle to break .500. So I would say under the least common denominator theory the teams are about the same.
Any team with only 8 players is going to struggle to break .500.
This year's team has some challenges and holes. Derrick Wilson is not high on the list (right now).
Too early, but I'm leaning to better just because of Derrick offense improvement.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 15, 2015, 03:42:49 PM
You do realize this years team is 10-6 with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes a game, yes? Steve Taylor's absence from a depth perspective is far more significant to this years team.
Last year's team is a different argument, a Derrick argument makes more sense there.
Yeah, but looking at it logically would rob us of these scorching hot taeks.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 15, 2015, 01:35:08 PM
Nothin' but wood goin' forward, hey?
I flew A 10's with a guy named Wood. Call Sign: Sportin'
Quote from: mu03eng on January 15, 2015, 03:42:49 PM
You do realize this years team is 10-6 with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes a game, yes? Steve Taylor's absence from a depth perspective is far more significant to this years team.
Last year's team is a different argument, a Derrick argument makes more sense there.
I think we will be hard presses to exceed 9-9 in the Big East. Whereas last year Derrick was an anchor , this year he is a ceiling.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 15, 2015, 02:07:50 PM
The coaching is better this year considering the talent
Also feels like there's less drama.
Last year's team underperformed my expectations. This year's team is over performing my expectations. So I like this year's team more. Not the question, I know, but I am having more fun watching this year than last year.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 15, 2015, 03:30:20 PMAny team with Derrick Wilson running the floor 30 plus minutes is going to struggle to break .500. So I would say under the least common denominator theory the teams are about the same.
Would you say the same if Junior Cadougan or Dominic James were on this team? Because Derrick this season is shooting a higher percentage on 2-point field goals, 3-point field goals, and overall field goal percentage than either of those guys ever shot in their college careers.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 15, 2015, 04:23:18 PM
Would you say the same if Junior Cadougan or Dominic James were on this team? Because Derrick this season is shooting a higher percentage on 2-point field goals, 3-point field goals, and overall field goal percentage than either of those guys ever shot in their college careers.
That's kind of mind boggling. In James case, the volume is also much lower (for Derrick), but still.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 15, 2015, 02:01:25 PM
We won't ses a BE record of 9-9 this year.
Well, a 9-9 team last year probably wouldn't be able to get to 9-9 in this year's Big East.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 15, 2015, 04:18:41 PM
I think we will be hard presses to exceed 9-9 in the Big East. Whereas last year Derrick was an anchor , this year he is a ceiling.
Last year, he held them down.
This year, he'll keep them from going higher.?
This is too subtle for me. I honestly don't know the difference.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 15, 2015, 04:32:59 PM
Last year, he held them down.
This year, he'll keep them from going higher.?
This is too subtle for me. I honestly don't know the difference.
It means he played very poorly last year and dragged everyone down . This year he has improved and is playing to his maximum ability which is simply not at a high enough level to take us beyond .500.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 15, 2015, 03:42:49 PM
You do realize this years team is 10-6 with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes a game, yes? Steve Taylor's absence from a depth perspective is far more significant to this years team.
Last year's team is a different argument, a Derrick argument makes more sense there.
You do realize that last years team was picked to win the BigEast and went 17-15 with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes per game.
You do realize that last years team did not make a post season tourney with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes per game.
So please don't get carried away with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes per game and making the team much better than last year.
Lots of players could have played better and taken the starting job from him. None did. Blame those who didn't put in the work needed to be better than Derrick. Blame the seniors who didn't take it on themselves to lead. Blame it on the most talented guard on the team who thought that what belonged to others was his and that showing up on time was optional. Derrick is not a great point guard. He is a great kid, a role model, and a leader. Don't blame the guy who shows up every day and gets the most out of his talent. Blame those who don't.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 15, 2015, 04:40:52 PM
It means he played very poorly last year and dragged everyone down . This year he has improved and is playing to his maximum ability which is simply not at a high enough level to take us beyond .500.
Now cmon man. Derrick is playing at a high enough level to take us beyond .500. We are at .562 with Derrick playing 31 minutes at PG last 2 years. That is at a level almost approaching prior years(two sweet 16's and an elite 8). Case closed.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on January 15, 2015, 04:27:33 PMThat's kind of mind boggling. In James case, the volume is also much lower (for Derrick), but still.
No doubt. When he got to 7/22 last night, I was pretty sure he had a better 3P% than either James or Junior, but I was shocked to see his 2P% was also higher than either of them had ever mustered.
Derrick definitely shoots less than they did, but I have to give the kid credit, seems like all that off-season shooting might be paying off after all.
Also...he's hitting 61.9% from the line in the last 11 games. Doesn't get there a ton, but for him, that's huge.
Last year's team was so frustrating to watch. I kept waiting for Jamil Wilson to just explode and be the man. I thought we were in trouble this year with Juan starting. The games I've watched I'm pleasantly surprised by Juan.
My opinion is this year's team is better and will end with a better record.
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 15, 2015, 04:32:26 PM
Well, a 9-9 team last year probably wouldn't be able to get to 9-9 in this year's Big East.
Exactly. A stronger conference this year.
This team is painful to watch, but not as painful as last years team. I think this years team beats an underperforming 13-14 team.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 15, 2015, 04:59:13 PM
Now cmon man. Derrick is playing at a high enough level to take us beyond .500. We are at .562 with Derrick playing 31 minutes at PG last 2 years. That is at a level almost approaching prior years(two sweet 16's and an elite 8). Case closed.
Yeah the only roster change at Marquette over the last 5 seasons is Derrick Wilson has become the point guard.
Some people are really, really dumb.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 15, 2015, 04:54:51 PM
You do realize that last years team was picked to win the BigEast and went 17-15 with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes per game.
You do realize that last years team did not make a post season tourney with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes per game.
So please don't get carried away with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes per game and making the team much better than last year.
I should honestly block you, Nersellenson, and Texas Western but your extremely idiotic statements sometimes bring me to laughter, because it seems your trolling, but deep down I know your serious and am ashamed that your a fan. Derrick works his but off and blaming last year's struggles on him makes you seem clueless. Last year I was much more dissapointed with the lack of growth of Jamil who should have been our offensive leader but seemed to be nonexistent in many of the games. Derrick might not have added much last year, but he didn't hurt us as much as others. Derrick is a big part of this team so if your just going to hate on him move along.
Sorry about the tangent probably should just block them. In terms of the question, I feel like last year's team was much more talented which led to a lot of disappointment. This year I had 0 expectations and have been pleasantly surprised at times. I know that there are going to be games we show our youth and lose to teams that we shouldn't, but that's part of the rebuilding process. I trust our leadership more this year and feel the future is brighter then before.
Quote from: zrjones13 on January 15, 2015, 06:03:15 PM
I should honestly block you, Nersellenson, and Texas Western but your extremely idiotic statements sometimes bring me to laughter, because it seems your trolling, but deep down I know your serious and am ashamed that your a fan. Derrick works his but off and blaming last year's struggles on him makes you seem clueless. Last year I was much more dissapointed with the lack of growth of Jamil who should have been our offensive leader but seemed to be nonexistent in many of the games. Derrick might not have added much last year, but he didn't hurt us as much as others. Derrick is a big part of this team so if your just going to hate on him move along. If any of you three want to discuss this in person at a game where you can't hide behind a screen name send me a pm and I'll be happy to send along my section and row so we can "discuss"
Lol, Internet tough guy
I sit in sec. 425 row J seat 4. But I don't want to fight with anyone.
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 15, 2015, 04:32:26 PM
Well, a 9-9 team last year probably wouldn't be able to get to 9-9 in this year's Big East.
Last year's team would of easily beat this year's Creighton team twice.
Villanova is better
DePaul is better
Butler is better
Seton Hall is better
Georgetown is better
Providence is worse
Xavier is worse
Creighton is worse
Marquette is worse
St John's is worse
That is 5 better & 5 worse, which is what you should expect.
Quote from: bilsu on January 15, 2015, 08:43:42 PM
Last year's team would of easily beat this year's Creighton team twice.
Villanova is better
DePaul is better
Butler is better
Seton Hall is better
Georgetown is better
Providence is worse
Xavier is worse
Creighton is worse
Marquette is worse
St John's is worse
That is 5 better & 5 worse, which is what you should expect.
I am not sure I agree with this analysis of the Big East. You can't just say some teams are better and some are worse. The average Sagarin rating for the Big East in 2013-14 was 80.63 which was good for 5th place. This year it is 82.98 which is good for 2nd place. RPI last year was .5570 (4th place). This year: .5902 (2nd place).
The Big East is better this year. Thus, if we finish 9-9 we will have played better than the year before. Especially considering we have had a better non-con this year than last year. Our two best non-con wins last year were GW (RPI#36) and Southern (#176). This year they are Tenn (#53) and G'Tech (#74). Even the ASU win is rated higher than Southern.
If we finish 7-11 in the Big East I would agree we are about equal to last year. If we win eight games or more in the Big East then this team is better.
Quote from: bilsu on January 15, 2015, 08:43:42 PM
Last year's team would of easily beat this year's Creighton team twice.
Villanova is better
DePaul is better
Butler is better
Seton Hall is better
Georgetown is better
Providence is worse
Xavier is worse
Creighton is worse
Marquette is worse
St John's is worse
That is 5 better & 5 worse, which is what you should expect.
Creighton is worse and marquette is maybe worse, about the same. Everyone else is better.
Quote from: bilsu on January 15, 2015, 08:43:42 PM
Last year's team would of easily beat this year's Creighton team twice.
Villanova is better
DePaul is better
Butler is better
Seton Hall is better
Georgetown is better
Providence is worse
Xavier is worse
Creighton is worse
Marquette is worse
St John's is worse
That is 5 better & 5 worse, which is what you should expect.
Disagree
I think Villanova, Depaul, Butler, Seton Hall, Georgetown, and St. John's are better. I think Providence, Xavier, and Marquette are about what they were last season. Creighton is significantly worse.
Look at it this way
Derrick 2015 > Derrick 2014 (like a million miles better)
Juan 2015 > Juan 2014 BY FAR
Carlino > Thomas
Fisher > OTule
Duane > Dawson
those are in favor or 2015 team. 2014 team was better in some ways as well
Gardner >>>>>> Taylor
Mayo > JJJ or Duane
Burton > noone
Wilson > Taylor but position for position now Juan > Wilson
And, most importantly, Wojo > Brent
I think if the two teams played each other, 2015 would win 6/10 times.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 15, 2015, 05:44:16 PM
Yeah the only roster change at Marquette over the last 5 seasons is Derrick Wilson has become the point guard.
Some people are really, really dumb.
....Says Wadesworld looking in a mirror. When your argument is failing always resort to slapping the table and name calling.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 16, 2015, 06:15:47 AM
....Says Wadesworld looking in a mirror. When your argument is failing always resort to slapping the table and name calling.
...my point exactly.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 15, 2015, 04:18:41 PM
I think we will be hard presses to exceed 9-9 in the Big East. Whereas last year Derrick was an anchor , this year he is a ceiling.
I agree with your Big East prediction, but Derrick Wilson is not what will limit this team. Carlino, and Steve Taylor are bigger liabilities currently in this season than Derrick Wilson is. For example there is a noticeable difference in the 1-3-1 without Derrick running the baseline 1, that's not something that shows up on stat sheets.
If Derrick played exactly as he is, but Teve were able to produce 25 min a game at 8 pt and 7 boards(which isn't that much higher than his 23.9, 5.7, 4.9 averages) a game I'd up my prediction to 10-8 or 11-7.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 15, 2015, 04:54:51 PM
You do realize that last years team was picked to win the BigEast and went 17-15 with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes per game.
You do realize that last years team did not make a post season tourney with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes per game.
So please don't get carried away with Derrick playing 30.8 minutes per game and making the team much better than last year.
You do realize your point means nothing right? I don't think Derrick is playing all star basketball by any means, but he is playing as many minutes as Texas had as his threshold and is contributing more this than last year with less talent especially in the front court. Marquette is not at it's record because Derrick is awesome, but Derrick is also probably ranked 14 out of 15 reasons why Marquette isn't playing better.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 15, 2015, 10:50:43 PM
I am not sure I agree with this analysis of the Big East. You can't just say some teams are better and some are worse. The average Sagarin rating for the Big East in 2013-14 was 80.63 which was good for 5th place. This year it is 82.98 which is good for 2nd place. RPI last year was .5570 (4th place). This year: .5902 (2nd place).
The Big East is better this year. Thus, if we finish 9-9 we will have played better than the year before. Especially considering we have had a better non-con this year than last year. Our two best non-con wins last year were GW (RPI#36) and Southern (#176). This year they are Tenn (#53) and G'Tech (#74). Even the ASU win is rated higher than Southern.
If we finish 7-11 in the Big East I would agree we are about equal to last year. If we win eight games or more in the Big East then this team is better.
I agree with everything here.....which is why we have to respect the process. That's where I don't get where Texas is coming from. Under any metric I can think of as well as the eye test this team is better than last year AND is showing signs of improvement through the season.
Yes the Creighton game was somewhat crap, but they won the game, last years team wouldn't have(subjective opinion alert). Also watching the games, I see the strategies morphing and adjusting, last year I didn't. I think Wojo is coaching his butt off, he's got plenty of places to improve but I've seen improvement in all those places so I don't see any reason why he wouldn't continue to improve.
This year's team gives hope.
Last year's team stole hope and replaced it with resignation.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on January 15, 2015, 03:15:09 PM
Paint Touches @PaintTouches 2 hours ago
Looking at KenPom, #mubb has the best defense (95.6 D Efficiency) and worst offense (95.6 O Efficiency) in Big East play.
To be a good offensive team you need, more than anything, talent. The only way to be good defensively is to play as a team. The first is all about recruiting, and the second is all about coaching.
This year is the better team, as a team. And, as with all defensively orientated teams, when they win, it is often ugly.
I like tend to like ugly sports teams.
This year's team wins 51-50 as Derrick '15 nails a last second three over the outstretched hand of Derrick '14. Many (Ners, Wojo's Mojo, Willie, etc., etc.,) blame the 2014's team loss on Derrick '14 and say they would have won easily if John Dawson had played 30 minutes at the point. Willie calls Derrick '14 and Derrick '15 an elite game changer and Buzz a lonesome cowboy.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 15, 2015, 10:50:43 PM
I am not sure I agree with this analysis of the Big East. You can't just say some teams are better and some are worse. The average Sagarin rating for the Big East in 2013-14 was 80.63 which was good for 5th place. This year it is 82.98 which is good for 2nd place. RPI last year was .5570 (4th place). This year: .5902 (2nd place).
The Big East is better this year. Thus, if we finish 9-9 we will have played better than the year before. Especially considering we have had a better non-con this year than last year. Our two best non-con wins last year were GW (RPI#36) and Southern (#176). This year they are Tenn (#53) and G'Tech (#74). Even the ASU win is rated higher than Southern.
If we finish 7-11 in the Big East I would agree we are about equal to last year. If we win eight games or more in the Big East then this team is better.
I do not care about the RPI. The argument is whether this year's MU team is better than last year's. I simply looked at each team and decided if this year's team would beat last year's team. It is clear cut that last year's Creighton team would beat this year's Creighton team. It is less clear cut that this years Villanova team would beat last years Villanova team. This years St. John's team might be better than last year's St. John's at the same time, but it is not better than how St. John's was playing at the end of last season. I believe last year's Providence team was better than this year's Providence team. 2015 Butler is definitely better than 2014 Butler and so on for each team.
I do believe overall all that there are less goods teams in college basketball this year, which helps to inflate our conference RPI.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 16, 2015, 08:59:55 AM
This year's team wins 51-50 as Derrick '15 nails a last second three over the outstretched hand of Derrick '14. Many (Ners, Wojo's Mojo, Willie, etc., etc.,) blame the 2014's team loss on Derrick '14 and say they would have won easily if John Dawson had played 30 minutes at the point. Willie calls Derrick '14 and Derrick '15 an elite game changer and Buzz a lonesome cowboy.
Once again Lenny, as usual, you are wrong. I never said we would have won easily with Dawson over Derrick. Last year, Derrick was our only option at point, thanks to the stubborn wanna be cowboy. This year, we have several options at point. If you want to fantasize about Derrick making a game winning 3, that's your business. Let me know when that happens.
If both teams played to the best of their ability, last year's team wins. If this year's team plays the really good zone and last year's seniors stand around and coast like they did most games, this year's team wins.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 16, 2015, 07:11:54 AM
...my point exactly.
You have never made a point, exactly.
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2015, 08:00:36 AM
This year's team gives hope.
Last year's team stole hope and replaced it with resignation.
One faux resignation that was a good thing was the Buzzster's.
Quote from: bilsu on January 16, 2015, 09:33:01 AM
I do believe overall all that there are less goods teams in college basketball this year, which helps to inflate our conference RPI.
So you are saying the Big East is no better this year than last year, it is that the other conferences are down? Well that is hard to argue against as it is subjective.
Next year's team is better than both.
Hard to believe that we are the best defensive team in the conference after the Omaha debacle. Great adjustments and vast improvement.
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2015, 08:00:36 AM
This year's team gives hope.
Last year's team stole hope and replaced it with resignation.
Amen.
I don't know that it is fair to compare the two. I think it is pretty clear last year's team had more physical talent, and way more issues. I don't see how all of that "crazy" can be quantified. This year has less talent, and less issues, and is playing much closer to their ceiling.
This year's team is ranked 101st by Pomeroy......Last year's was ranked 76th.
Quote from: MuMark on January 16, 2015, 11:35:10 AM
This year's team is ranked 101st by Pomeroy......Last year's was ranked 76th.
Misleading given how bad we were the first 4 games. Take those out and it would be very similar.
Quote from: MuMark on January 16, 2015, 11:35:10 AM
This year's team is ranked 101st by Pomeroy......Last year's was ranked 76th.
Right now last year's team was better. Let's see our ranking at the end of year. This year's team doesn't have its full body of work yet.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on January 16, 2015, 11:36:59 AM
Misleading given how bad we were the first 4 games. Take those out and it would be very similar.
j
Last years team was pretty bad in the first 4 games as well IIRC.....I prefer to look at all the data when comparing teams....don't think it is fair to take out 3 games here and 4 games there
Quote from: jsglow on January 16, 2015, 10:29:49 AM
Next year's team is better than both.
And that is the most important thing!
Last year's team established a very low bar which this is not a relative point of comparison.
Last year we worried about Depaul and if they would ever get out of the cellar. This year our concerns should be much closer to home. I hope for the best and some individuals have improved since the beginning of the year, however, as a team, like last year, painful to watch all the mental mistakes. Hope we see further development.
Yes, better than last year's team, based on my personal calculations.
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Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2015, 08:00:36 AM
This year's team gives hope.
Last year's team stole hope and replaced it with resignation.
Well stated.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 16, 2015, 07:25:28 AM
I agree with your Big East prediction, but Derrick Wilson is not what will limit this team. Carlino, and Steve Taylor are bigger liabilities currently in this season than Derrick Wilson is. For example there is a noticeable difference in the 1-3-1 without Derrick running the baseline 1, that's not something that shows up on stat sheets.
If Derrick played exactly as he is, but Teve were able to produce 25 min a game at 8 pt and 7 boards(which isn't that much higher than his 23.9, 5.7, 4.9 averages) a game I'd up my prediction to 10-8 or 11-7.
I think your point is a good one. However, my view to STjr is he is damaged goods and we are getting max production out of him. Just to make it clear I am not blaming anything on Derrick. My view is he is maxed out to his capability and he lacks an ability to get the most out of certain guys, particularly JJJ who have much higher ceilings.
I actually think Derrick might be just starting to play to his potential. His shooting numbers are up and he looks more comfortable. I wonder what he might be doing of his confidence hadn't been so damaged last year. Wojo is getting way more out of him than Buzz ever did.
Buzz is a good coach, but the last few years he did a poor job of recruiting players that were a good personality fit. Davante, Jamil, Juan, and Derrick simply didn't react to his style the way Jae, DJO, Jimmy, and Junior did. I'd love to know what Derrick might have become with a Wojo type personality coaching him the past three years. I think he would be a vastly different player.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 16, 2015, 09:25:23 PM
I actually think Derrick might be just starting to play to his potential. His shooting numbers are up and he looks more comfortable. I wonder what he might be doing of his confidence hadn't been so damaged last year. Wojo is getting way more out of him than Buzz ever did.
Buzz is a good coach, but the last few years he did a poor job of recruiting players that were a good personality fit. Davante, Jamil, Juan, and Derrick simply didn't react to his style the way Jae, DJO, Jimmy, and Junior did. I'd love to know what Derrick might have become with a Wojo type personality coaching him the past three years. I think he would be a vastly different player.
His corner 3s vs creighton were really nice. Stepped in and shot with confidence and nailed them with good form. I wonder if he feels more comfortable shooting from certain areas of the court.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 16, 2015, 09:25:23 PM
I actually think Derrick might be just starting to play to his potential.
Two more years! Two more years!
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 16, 2015, 09:25:23 PM
I actually think Derrick might be just starting to play to his potential. His shooting numbers are up and he looks more comfortable. I wonder what he might be doing of his confidence hadn't been so damaged last year. Wojo is getting way more out of him than Buzz ever did.
Yep.
I recall an episode of Inside Marquette Basketball during Derrick's freshman season. Derrick had taken a rare field-goal attempt the previous game, and Krause he asked Buzz about it. Buzz said something along the lines of "if Derrick takes one shot, that's one too many." Wojo, on the other hand, has said that he expects Derrick to hit a game winning free throw before the end of the year. Given Derrick's dramatic improvement, it appears that he responds better to the latter style.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 16, 2015, 09:25:23 PM
I actually think Derrick might be just starting to play to his potential. His shooting numbers are up and he looks more comfortable. I wonder what he might be doing of his confidence hadn't been so damaged last year. Wojo is getting way more out of him than Buzz ever did.
Buzz is a good coach, but the last few years he did a poor job of recruiting players that were a good personality fit. Davante, Jamil, Juan, and Derrick simply didn't react to his style the way Jae, DJO, Jimmy, and Junior did. I'd love to know what Derrick might have become with a Wojo type personality coaching him the past three years. I think he would be a vastly different player.
How would he be a vastly different player in your opinion? He never seemed to me, to have a lot of untapped potential waiting to be unlocked. He's more of a try hard, maximum effort guy imo. I also don't understand his confidence being damaged. He was given the reigns last year and played the most minutes on the team, even when logic would state that he shouldn't have.
I know you're anti-Derrick from the word go, but his shooting numbers are all career highs. Derrick has a good looking shot. His ability to drive and conversion rate around the hoop has been better. I think off Derrick had this type of coaching from the start we might have seen this type of player his sophomore year.
He would never be a NBA player, but I do think he'd be a more confident and reliable shooter. Under different circumstances, he has the skillset to be a 10/4/4 guy. Derrick scored at every level, including averaging 19, 23, and 17 points per game in his three years as his prep school league's best offensive player.
Then he gets here, is told to never shoot, and his confidence is destroyed. This is a kid who was the best player as a junior on a Hotchkiss team with 4 D1 players. Derrick has played better with one year of confidence. I think it's entirely possible he'd be even better if he'd been given similar confidence the first three years.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 16, 2015, 10:41:12 PM
He was given the reigns last year and played the most minutes on the team, even when logic would state that he shouldn't have.
Logic? Whose logic? The logic that said we needed Dawson instead of Derrick? Those were our two alternatives. Buzz's logic gave Derrick 3 times more minutes than Dawson. Wojo was giving Derrick 50 times more minutes. So I guess if Buzz was illogical Wojo is certifiably insane. OR you're just dead wrong - now that's logical!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 16, 2015, 11:11:35 PM
Logic? Whose logic? The logic that said we needed Dawson instead of Derrick? Those were our two alternatives. Buzz's logic gave Derrick 3 times more minutes than Dawson. Wojo was giving Derrick 50 times more minutes. So I guess if Buzz was illogical Wojo is certifiably insane. OR you're just dead wrong - now that's logical!
Was just about to say the same.
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Quote from: Henry Sugar on January 16, 2015, 04:09:37 PM
Yes, better than last year's team, based on my personal calculations.
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Quote from: jesmu84 on January 17, 2015, 12:00:20 AM
Was just about to say the same.
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2015, 12:34:35 AM
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Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 16, 2015, 10:41:12 PM
How would he be a vastly different player in your opinion? He never seemed to me, to have a lot of untapped potential waiting to be unlocked. He's more of a try hard, maximum effort guy imo. I also don't understand his confidence being damaged. He was given the reigns last year and played the most minutes on the team, even when logic would state that he shouldn't have.
I don't think you know what logic is.
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 15, 2015, 04:19:21 PM
Also feels like there's less drama.
Yeah...the four transfers and the bloodied hand have been calming moments this season.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 17, 2015, 09:38:54 AM
Yeah...the four transfers and the bloodied hand have been calming moments this season.
Drama overlooked in the honeymoon phase.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 17, 2015, 09:38:54 AM
Yeah...the four transfers and the bloodied hand have been calming moments this season.
Four?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 17, 2015, 09:59:38 AM
Four?
Should have said "transfer out" leaving open roster spaces. Mayo, Levin, Burton, Dawson. Mayo not technically a transfer as he "went" pro. My bad. Drama none- the-less.