Saw this on Instagram this morning - DWade's outdoor basketball court in Miami has a Marquette theme. Pretty cool. Gotta love the caption too.
http://instagram.com/p/xjXj_fFCBf/?modal=true
Yeah, but is he rockin' his IU shorts on it, hey?
http://instagram.com/p/xjXj_fFCBf/?modal=true
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 07, 2015, 08:22:09 AM
Yeah, but is he rockin' his IU shorts on it, hey?
See the picture and then feel embarrassed you made this comment.
http://instagram.com/p/xjXj_fFCBf/?modal=true
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 07, 2015, 09:57:18 AM
See the picture and then feel embarrassed you made this comment.
http://instagram.com/p/xjXj_fFCBf/?modal=true
Does he make this comment if Bert is still our coach? Keep in mind, Wojo worked with the U.S. national team when Wade was playing on it. I get the feeling Wade probably approved of the hiring of Wojo.
If you read the comments, who's Shopaholic?
Who is Dwayne Wade?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 10:22:36 AM
Does he make this comment if Bert is still our coach? Keep in mind, Wojo worked with the U.S. national team when Wade was playing on it. I get the feeling Wade probably approved of the hiring of Wojo.
I get the sense that Wade is not that involved with the program to make this kind of call. Doc Rivers, on the other hand, is this involved and I understand was consulted in hiring a new coach.
Given the two, Rivers is better positioned to help MU on coaching hires than Wade.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 10:22:36 AM
Does he make this comment if Bert is still our coach? Keep in mind, Wojo worked with the U.S. national team when Wade was playing on it. I get the feeling Wade probably approved of the hiring of Wojo.
Wade made a gift to MU to help to enhance literacy for inner-city children:
https://news.marquette.edu/news-releases/dwyane-wade-gift/
Wade is providing the lead gift to launch the Dwyane Wade "Live to Dream" Summer Reading Program. The program, to be hosted by the Hartman Center, will be open to second- and third-graders from Milwaukee. The Hartman Center is a teaching, research and service site where Marquette University undergraduate teachers in training tutor inner-city Milwaukee school children who struggle with reading and math. Wade will donate $65,000 a year for three years and is challenging others in the Marquette community to match that amount to fund the program for a full six years. The program will begin in 2015 through 2020.
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To follow on your thought (and I'm just asking the question) is the timing of this gift, 6 months
after Bert left, coincidental?
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 07, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
I get the sense that Wade is not that involved with the program to make this kind of call. Doc Rivers, on the other hand, is this involved and I understand was consulted in hiring a new coach.
Given the two, Rivers is better positioned to help MU on coaching hires than Wade.
I agree, I don't think he made the hire, I'm just saying I think he's probably happy with it. Just like he didn't make the name change to the Gold. Man, that was a hilarious reaction when he was told about it.
Quote from: reinko on January 07, 2015, 11:20:25 AM
Who is Dwayne Wade?
I think the OP meant Dwyane Wade. If you don't know who Dwyane Wade is, he plays the same position as Jimmy Butler, currently plays in the same league as Jimmy Butler and went to the same college as Jimmy Butler. Good player, but he's no Jimmy Butler. Had his moments tho.
Quote from: The Lens on January 07, 2015, 11:57:57 AM
I think the OP meant Dwyane Wade. If you don't know who Dwyane Wade is, he plays the same position as Jimmy Butler, currently plays in the same league as Jimmy Butler and went to the same college as Jimmy Butler. Good player, but he's no Jimmy Butler. Had his moments tho.
Gave me a laugh.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 07, 2015, 08:22:09 AM
Yeah, but is he rockin' his IU shorts on it, hey?
No, but they're IU socks! ;p
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 11:50:29 AM
Good question.
Question should be, does Jimmy B. have a court like that?
Its amazing how quickly this thread went LEFT
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 07, 2015, 11:14:04 AM
If you read the comments, who's Shopaholic?
Not sure about Shopaholic but beckycaliforniaa left an interesting comment
Quote from: willie warrior on January 07, 2015, 12:22:46 PM
Question should be, does Jimmy B. have a court like that?
Let the man get paid this offseason first.
I think all of the former Marquette NBAers need hyperbolic chambers in their houses, moreso than nice Marquette basketball courts.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 12:31:16 PM
Let the man get paid this offseason first.
I think all of the former Marquette NBAers need hyperbolic chambers in their houses, moreso than nice Marquette basketball courts.
Tanning booths
Frig of Diet Coach
Karate Lessons
Donations to soccer fields they never follow-through on
I don't mean this post in a negative way.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 12:31:16 PM
Let the man get paid this offseason first.
I think all of the former Marquette NBAers need hyperbolic chambers in their houses, moreso than nice Marquette basketball courts.
Scoop is a bigger hyperbolic chamber than Wade ever had.
"I don't know if he will ever go to Marquette....but a father can dream..#homecourt #hegotnext"
Caption on the photo
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 07, 2015, 12:52:23 PM
Scoop is a bigger hyperbolic chamber than Wade ever had.
Haha. Hyperbolic chamber, hyperbaric chamber, they're equally as useful the way Tommy used them for college basketball players. In fact, at least the hyperbolic chamber wouldn't hinder their performance.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
Haha. Hyperbolic chamber, hyperbaric chamber, they're equally as useful the way Tommy used them for college basketball players. In fact, at least the hyperbolic chamber wouldn't hinder their performance.
+1
The way the tanned one used the Hyperbaric chamber was exactly the wrong way.
Explained here
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44043.msg625483#msg625483
Hyperbaric Chambers simulate altitude. It is best to live at altitude as the thinner air makes your body increase its red-blood cell count (hemocrit levels). That improves endurance. (side note, EPO can do the same thing, hello Lance Armstrong). People that get these often sleep in them so they spend several hours a day at altitude to get their bodies to adjust.
It is best to train at sea-level as that provides the maximum Oxygen intake when working hard.
So, live at altitude and train at sea-level.
Instead MU purchased a Hyperbaric Chamber so they could live at sea-level (or live in Milwaukee) and train at altitude (Hyperbaric Chamber). They use to ride exercise bikes in the Hyperbaric Chamber.
Problem with training at altitude just starves the body of O2 and makes one unable to achieve their maximum potential. In other-words it makes things worse!!
Makes things worse. Has Crean ever done this in other areas? Hmmmmm
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 07, 2015, 04:41:06 PM
+1
The way the tanned one used the Hyperbaric chamber was exactly the wrong way.
Explained here
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44043.msg625483#msg625483
Hyperbaric Chambers simulate altitude. It is best to live at altitude as the thinner air makes your body increase its red-blood cell count (hemocrit levels). That improves endurance. (side note, EPO can do the same thing, hello Lance Armstrong). People that get these often sleep in them so they spend several hours a day at altitude to get their bodies to adjust.
It is best to train at sea-level as that provides the maximum Oxygen intake when working hard.
So, live at altitude and train at sea-level.
Instead MU purchased a Hyperbaric Chamber so they could live at sea-level (or live in Milwaukee) and train at altitude (Hyperbaric Chamber). They use to ride exercise bikes in the Hyperbaric Chamber.
Problem with training at altitude just starves the body of O2 and makes one unable to achieve their maximum potential. In other-words it makes things worse!!
Makes things worse. Has Crean ever done this in other areas? Hmmmmm
You sure about that?
http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2007/10/19/up_and_coming_method/?page=full
Sure looks to me like MU bought a Hypoxic chamber, not a hyperbaric chamber as erroneous reported here over the years.
I'd hate to think Scoop put out some wrong information...or else the Suns, Packers, Pistons, Miami Heat, etc were also wrong at the time. ;)
Regardless, if you look at the number of NBA and NFL teams using either Hypoxic or Hyperbaric chambers at the team level or by individuals, the list is a who's who. Maybe they're all buying it just because, maybe it's a placebo.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 05:17:40 PM
You sure about that?
http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2007/10/19/up_and_coming_method/?page=full
Sure looks to me like MU bought a Hypoxic chamber, not a hyperbaric chamber as erroneous reported here over the years.
I'd hate to think Scoop put out some wrong information...or else the Suns, Packers, Pistons, Miami Heat, etc were also wrong at the time. ;)
Regardless, if you look at the number of NBA and NFL teams using either Hypoxic or Hyperbaric chambers at the team level or by individuals, the list is a who's who. Maybe they're all buying it just because, maybe it's a placebo.
Hyperbaric chamber is a typo, should be hypobaric chamber.
From the article ...
As far as using it properly, the article clearly says what I detailed above ...
Professional athletes ranging from NBA players Shaquille O'Neal, Gilbert Arenas, and Ben Gordon to NFL players A.J. Hawk, Anthony Gonzalez, and Al Johnson to MLS players James Riley and Brian Ching have tried
sleeping at simulated altitude. The Philadelphia Flyers encourage their athletes to
use sleeping systems, and several players have invested in the technology.
The
"live high, train low" method promotes several key physiological changes as athletes acclimate to thin air, which basically leads to an increased number of oxygen-carrying red blood cells and more efficient delivery and absorption of oxygen. The result is improved endurance and reduced fatigue, though it varies depending on how much time athletes spend in the chamber and at what altitude, as well as overall training programs.
Sharing the news
With an altitude sleeping unit set near 15,000 feet combined with daily practices, Arenas works to achieve the right "
live high, train low" balance. He cites anecdotal proof it works.
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And this is how the tanned one had MU use it ...
Inside an altitude chamber that simulates conditions at 9,000 feet above sea level, Marquette University guards Wesley Matthews and Jerel McNeal start pedaling stationary bikes. Realizing the challenge ahead, they look less than thrilled. Within minutes, Matthews and McNeal experience shortness of breath. Heart rates rise quickly. In five minutes, Matthews and McNeal have stressed their bodies far beyond what they could do on a bike outside the chamber.
Mercifully, the altitude workout ends after 15 minutes, though both athletes feel they went through a conditioning session four to five times as long. In some ways, they did.
Given how the body must adapt to changes at higher altitudes, Matthews and McNeal gain more from brief workouts inside the chamber than longer conditioning sessions outside. As a result, the altitude exercise unit containing oxygen-reduced air offers an athlete's dream-conditioning scenario. Less time on a bike or treadmill. Less physical wear and tear. More stamina. Faster recovery. Studies have shown that after six weeks working out in altitude exercise chambers, an athlete's time to exhaustion can increase up to 42 percent.
"I'd love to be able to play and never get tired," said a sweat-covered Matthews after exiting the chamber set up in a back corner of the Al McGuire Center weight room. "But the smallest advantage we'll take. If we're 10 percent better at fighting through fatigue and 10 percent less tired [late in games], then that could be big for us."
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The way the tanned one was using it was all wrong. Jumping on an exercise bike at 9,000 feet and riding it for 15 minutes like a madman until your lungs are going to burst does nothing but tire you out. You have to spend several hours a day at altitude to make it effective. That's why you sleep in them. (the highlighted part in Green is pure BS)
And yes, they are incredibly effective if you use them correctly.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 05:17:40 PM
You sure about that?
http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2007/10/19/up_and_coming_method/?page=full
Sure looks to me like MU bought a Hypoxic chamber, not a hyperbaric chamber as erroneous reported here over the years.
I'd hate to think Scoop put out some wrong information...or else the Suns, Packers, Pistons, Miami Heat, etc were also wrong at the time. ;)
Regardless, if you look at the number of NBA and NFL teams using either Hypoxic or Hyperbaric chambers at the team level or by individuals, the list is a who's who. Maybe they're all buying it just because, maybe it's a placebo.
Did you even bother reading the article that you just posted? It might help to do that. Tom used them exactly as Heisenberg posted. And that is exactly how they shouldn't be used. They are used for recovery, not to work out in. There is a reason as soon as Tommy left Marquette got rid of the chambers...
Thanks for proving our point, though. Do they have a use for athletes? Yes. Did Tommy use them the exact opposite way they are meant for? Yes. Not very smart.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 05:45:45 PM
Did you even bother reading the article that you just posted? It might help to do that. Tom used them exactly as Heisenberg posted. And that is exactly how they shouldn't be used. They are used for recovery, not to work out in. There is a reason as soon as Tommy left Marquette got rid of the chambers...
Thanks for proving our point, though. Do they have a use for athletes? Yes. Did Tommy use them the exact opposite way they are meant for? Yes. Not very smart.
Several things....the wrong type of chamber seemed to be stated in the post. I pointed to the article that says it wasn't hyperbaric or hypobaric (those are two distinctly different items), but rather a Hypoxic chamber. Now, is a Hypoxic chamber the same as a hypobaric chamber? Or a hyperbaric chamber? I ask, I don't know, but clearly there is a difference between a hyperbaric and hypobaric chamber from what I'm reading, and the article talks of a hypoxic chamber. Sounds confusing, but it seems Heisenberg corrected that part.
If I read the article correctly......"After purchasing a customized altitude unit this summer for $41,700, Marquette became the first college basketball team in the country to integrate the hypoxic chamber into its training regimen,
following the lead of professional sports franchises such as the Green Bay Packers, Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat, and Phoenix Suns"
Seems like a good thing, but if MU was using it wrong, then obviously that is a problem.
If I read the article correctly, it also said....."Pistons strength and conditioning coach Arnie Kander predicts more franchises will invest in the technology and
"it will be in most [NBA] facilities in give or take 10 years." Marquette head athletic trainer Jayd Grossman foresees the exercise chambers "becoming less a luxury and more the standard," believing it's only a matter of time until a well-funded high school purchases a unit."
So if I understand it correctly, we were using it wrong....despite following in the footsteps of other sports teams, players, etc, but yes we could still be using it wrong. However, if the head athletic trainer is saying how great it is and he is the person that would be certified to use such equipment, are you saying he was wrong as he is the one putting the athletes through the process and presumably the benefits of that process?
Is that what I am to understand, that the certified professional trainer for Marquette athletics was wrong in its application? That seems to be what you and Another84 is saying, but please clarify if I am incorrect. And was the certified professional trainer some guy named Tanned Tommy?
I still think Wade would eat Jimmy butler alive in a playoff series. No disrespect to Jimmy.
Quote from: patso on January 07, 2015, 06:46:19 PM
I still think Wade would eat Jimmy butler alive in a playoff series. No disrespect to Jimmy.
Not a chance with Wade at his age now. In his prime, yea, but he doesn't really live up to his "flash" nickname anymore.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 06:39:46 PM
Several things....the wrong type of chamber seemed to be stated in the post. I pointed to the article that says it wasn't hyperbaric or hypobaric (those are two distinctly different items), but rather a Hypoxic chamber. Now, is a Hypoxic chamber the same as a hypobaric chamber? Or a hyperbaric chamber? I ask, I don't know, but clearly there is a difference between a hyperbaric and hypobaric chamber from what I'm reading, and the article talks of a hypoxic chamber. Sounds confusing, but it seems Heisenberg corrected that part.
If I read the article correctly......"After purchasing a customized altitude unit this summer for $41,700, Marquette became the first college basketball team in the country to integrate the hypoxic chamber into its training regimen, following the lead of professional sports franchises such as the Green Bay Packers, Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat, and Phoenix Suns"
Seems like a good thing, but if MU was using it wrong, then obviously that is a problem.
If I read the article correctly, it also said....."Pistons strength and conditioning coach Arnie Kander predicts more franchises will invest in the technology and "it will be in most [NBA] facilities in give or take 10 years." Marquette head athletic trainer Jayd Grossman foresees the exercise chambers "becoming less a luxury and more the standard," believing it's only a matter of time until a well-funded high school purchases a unit."
So if I understand it correctly, we were using it wrong....despite following in the footsteps of other sports teams, players, etc, but yes we could still be using it wrong. However, if the head athletic trainer is saying how great it is and he is the person that would be certified to use such equipment, are you saying he was wrong as he is the one putting the athletes through the process and presumably the benefits of that process?
Is that what I am to understand, that the certified professional trainer for Marquette athletics was wrong in its application? That seems to be what you and Another84 is saying, but please clarify if I am incorrect. And was the certified professional trainer some guy named Tanned Tommy?
Whatever kind of chamber it was, it was supposed to be used for recovery. Which is why the article references players sleeping in these chambers, to recover. When you use it to work out in, you are just wearing yourself out and wearing your body down. Tommy was the one who decided it was a good investment, an investment that Marquette University since got rid of.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 07:09:42 PM
Whatever kind of chamber it was, it was supposed to be used for recovery. Which is why the article references players sleeping in these chambers, to recover. When you use it to work out in, you are just wearing yourself out and wearing your body down. Tommy was the one who decided it was a good investment, an investment that Marquette University since got rid of.
I don't recall you answering the question. I can try again.
My assumption would be that if a piece of equipment like this is purchased it is because it is getting good results for other clients, in this case other professional sports teams and individual athletes. It seems, according to the article, that we were following in their lead to get those kinds of results.
Those teams have trainers and other professionals that know how to use these chambers and other equipment to better the bodies of their athletes. In fact, the Detroit Pistons trainer was quoted in the article. As was the Marquette trainer.
So back to the question, we bought this piece of equipment likely because other sports organizations were using it with success and under supervision of training staff. MU has training staff. One would think MU bought this based on a lot of information on the benefits of the device, but I think what you are still saying (well you haven't yet) is that MU's training staff was using the machine incorrectly? Is that correct? That MU bought this machine with good intentions and despite these other organizations using the chambers seemingly in a proper capacity, our training staff was not?
Is that correct?
The purchase of the chamber, seems to be one of trying to be better and pay similar benefits it had for a number of other teams. Remember, it was going to become the "standard". That's a business \ coaching decision to better a program....get ahead of the curve. Yes? The use of the chamber is up to those that are trained to put the athletes through the implementation, the training staff...but it seems to me that you are assigning that blame elsewhere. Is that correct?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 07:33:07 PM
I don't recall you answering the question. I can try again.
My assumption would be that if a piece of equipment like this is purchased it is because it is getting good results for other clients, in this case other professional sports teams and individual athletes. It seems, according to the article, that we were following in their lead to get those kinds of results.
Those teams have trainers and other professionals that know how to use these chambers and other equipment to better the bodies of their athletes. In fact, the Detroit Pistons trainer was quoted in the article. As was the Marquette trainer.
So back to the question, we bought this piece of equipment likely because other sports organizations were using it with success and under supervision of training staff. MU has training staff. One would think MU bought this based on a lot of information on the benefits of the device, but I think what you are still saying (well you haven't yet) is that MU's training staff was using the machine incorrectly? Is that correct? That MU bought this machine with good intentions and despite these other organizations using the chambers seemingly in a proper capacity, our training staff was not?
Is that correct?
The purchase of the chamber, seems to be one of trying to be better and pay similar benefits it had for a number of other teams. Remember, it was going to become the "standard". That's a business \ coaching decision to better a program....get ahead of the curve. Yes? The use of the chamber is up to those that are trained to put the athletes through the implementation, the training staff...but it seems to me that you are assigning that blame elsewhere. Is that correct?
It was used incorrectly by Marquette, yes. Like I said, the professionals use it for recovery, hence the sleeping in these chambers. You will not see stationary bikes sitting in the Detroit Pistons chamber.
It's funny, because when Bert's assistant coach violated NCAA rules and then lied about them you were all up in arms about how Bert is in charge of the program and needs to be held accountable for the faults of his employees. Now that the use of whatever kind of chamber has been proven to have been incorrect by Marquette basketball, it's not the coach's fault and it's all on the trainer.
Never the Tan Man's fault.
Quote from: patso on January 07, 2015, 06:46:19 PM
I still think Wade would eat Jimmy butler alive in a playoff series. No disrespect to Jimmy.
What I wrote was in great part done in jest. 2006 Wade was a performance for the ages. Just unreal.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 05:45:45 PM
Did you even bother reading the article that you just posted? It might help to do that. Tom used them exactly as Heisenberg posted. And that is exactly how they shouldn't be used. They are used for recovery, not to work out in. There is a reason as soon as Tommy left Marquette got rid of the chambers...
Thanks for proving our point, though. Do they have a use for athletes? Yes. Did Tommy use them the exact opposite way they are meant for? Yes. Not very smart.
Meant to ask this question to you and Heisenberg as well, from the same article. The one you asked if I read....so I read it again, for the fourth time. Yes, there is a portion that talks about how some athletes use it to sleep and recover.
However, go to one of the last paragraphs and it talks about how programs are using it in conditioning as well.....interesting. Sounds like maybe our trainer had it right and so did some of the other teams, though because it was cutting edge at the time (thus the title of the article), there were a great many unknowns, trial and error, etc.
At any rate, here is the paragraph I am referencing.
"Questions, however, remain about what translates to the field when athletes
work out or sleep
at altitude. While endurance athletes look to faster times for evidence that artificial altitude
training works, coaches and
trainers with Marquette, the Pistons, and Suns talk about a trial-and-error approach as they
integrate sessions at altitude into their conditioning programs. They are continually adjusting altitude
workout content, length, and intensity to determine what produces the best results."Good to know we were doing what the Detroit Pistons, Phoenix Suns, etc, were also doing.....for a second there I got really nervous that our certified trainer was doing it all wrong because Scoop said so. It may, in fact, have turned out it was wrong, as this was cutting edge stuff at the time, but good to see others in the field were doing the same thing.....oh, and continue to use them today.....for both training and recovery. Go figure.
;D
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 08:14:28 PM
It's funny, because when Bert's assistant coach violated NCAA rules and then lied about them you were all up in arms about how Bert is in charge of the program and needs to be held accountable for the faults of his employees. Now that the use of whatever kind of chamber has been proven to have been incorrect by Marquette basketball, it's not the coach's fault and it's all on the trainer.
Never the Tan Man's fault.
+1!
What's so eye-opening about this is even a semi-incompetent trainer would tell the Tan one that this is not how you use them. Further, even a mostly incompetent cross-country coach will tell the Tan one that is not how you use them. Of course, both MU trainers and cross-country coaches are highly competent.
So I have to conclude that the Tan one pulled this use out of his Arse and either he would not listen to those more expert in hypobaric chamber use or they were afraid to tell him.
Either way it reflects poorly on his management skills.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 07:33:07 PM
I don't recall you answering the question. I can try again.
My assumption would be that if a piece of equipment like this is purchased it is because it is getting good results for other clients, in this case other professional sports teams and individual athletes. It seems, according to the article, that we were following in their lead to get those kinds of results.
Those teams have trainers and other professionals that know how to use these chambers and other equipment to better the bodies of their athletes. In fact, the Detroit Pistons trainer was quoted in the article. As was the Marquette trainer.
Look at the history of training athletes. It's full of bad ideas.
From 1900 to 1920 the drug of choice was Strychnine (aka rat poison) a stimulant.
The First Chicago Marathon in 1905: The Epic Race
http://www.runtri.com/2009/09/chicago-marathon-1905.html
Albert Corey ran representing the Chicago Athletic Club and had won the marathon silver medal at the 1904 Games, Corey. Many were convinced that Corey should have been awarded the Gold medal because the winner used performance enhancing strychnine and alcohol concoctions during the race.
From the 1920s to the 1950s most thought that medicine balls were good ideas. Pounding a 12 pound ball against your chest does not toughen you up, it just bruises your ribs.
Are hyperbaric chambers being misused by professional organizations like strychnine and medicine balls in the past? From the article:
Growing up in Colorado Springs, Riley, a defender for the New England Revolution, experienced the conditioning advantages altitude provides. Throughout most of his career, he excelled at team fitness tests, outlasting teammates raised at lower elevations. All a hyperbaric chamber does is bring altitude living to those at sea-level. That's why endurance athletes cluster around mountain regions (Monmouth Lakes CA, Boulder CO, Colorado Springs, Eugene OR), they live in a natural hyperbaric chamber. IF you think it is more than that, like the Tan one, you're probably misusing it.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 07, 2015, 12:22:46 PM
Question should be, does Jimmy B. have a court like that?
It'll be of the new contract when that gets worked out.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2015, 09:54:14 PM
Meant to ask this question to you and Heisenberg as well, from the same article. The one you asked if I read....so I read it again, for the fourth time. Yes, there is a portion that talks about how some athletes use it to sleep and recover.
However, go to one of the last paragraphs and it talks about how programs are using it in conditioning as well.....interesting. Sounds like maybe our trainer had it right and so did some of the other teams, though because it was cutting edge at the time (thus the title of the article), there were a great many unknowns, trial and error, etc.
At any rate, here is the paragraph I am referencing.
"Questions, however, remain about what translates to the field when athletes work out or sleepat altitude. While endurance athletes look to faster times for evidence that artificial altitude training works, coaches and trainers with Marquette, the Pistons, and Suns talk about a trial-and-error approach as they integrate sessions at altitude into their conditioning programs. They are continually adjusting altitude workout content, length, and intensity to determine what produces the best results."
Good to know we were doing what the Detroit Pistons, Phoenix Suns, etc, were also doing.....for a second there I got really nervous that our certified trainer was doing it all wrong because Scoop said so. It may, in fact, have turned out it was wrong, as this was cutting edge stuff at the time, but good to see others in the field were doing the same thing.....oh, and continue to use them today.....for both training and recovery. Go figure.
;D
Yeah, that's why we got rid of it promptly when Tanned Tommy left. Because we put $50K into it for its cutting edge success. We don't want that kind of advantage.
Oh wait, it's because the purpose of it is for recovery, and we aren't going to have our student athletes spending hours remaining in a chamber when they have to be in the classroom and gym.
Cutting edge.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 07, 2015, 12:08:48 PM
No, but they're IU socks! ;p
You know that it's Dwyane's kid in the picture right?
How is nobody picking up on Wade's comment?
"I don't know if he will ever go to Marquette....
but a father can dream..#homecourt #hegotnext"
Edit: My apologies, martyconlonontherun was on it.
Back to the point, Wade's son is
good, right? Isn't this the first we've seen that Dwyane wants to see his son (I'm guessing Zaire) play at Marquette? Zaire has been identified as (
at this point in time) one of the best prospects for the class of 2020. Hey, if Crean could offer an eighth grader, maybe Wojo is just a couple of years away from an offer.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 07, 2015, 10:00:13 PM
You know that it's Dwyane's kid in the picture right?
How is nobody picking up on Wade's comment?
"I don't know if he will ever go to Marquette....but a father can dream..#homecourt #hegotnext"
That's what my original comment in the thread was about...
Ahhhh. Thanks for clarifying.
I have to admit that when I first saw the picture, I got a little verklempt.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 09:59:56 PM
Yeah, that's why we got rid of it promptly when Tanned Tommy left. Because we put $50K into it for its cutting edge success. We don't want that kind of advantage.
Oh wait, it's because the purpose of it is for recovery, and we aren't going to have our student athletes spending hours remaining in a chamber when they have to be in the classroom and gym.
Cutting edge.
You didn't answer the questions again. So that I understand, the Pistons, Suns, et al....all of their trainers were also improperly using the chamber....as it clearly states conditioning was used with these chambers....INTENSE conditioning. I wonder if that tanned guy worked as a trainer not only at MU, but also at the Pistons, Suns, etc....nevermind, back to the topic.
All these professionals had it wrong? And the ones that still use it today in the same fashion (not just recovery, but also conditioning), are using it wrong...still?
We should probably be nice and send them a link to scoop or something...I would think....just to let them know they aren't using their equipment properly.
Dear God, you are all pretty.
It sounds like Tom bought sine kind of chamber and had his athletes train in it. He did this because several professional teams, experts in the field, we're doing the same thing. A reasonable course of action. More research was done and it was revealed that the experts were not as correct as originally thought so the practice fell out of popularity and the inventory got rid of the machine. As hberg pointed out, this has happened throughout the history of fitness.
So yes, the chamber didn't work as well as Tom hoped it would. But I would hardly call it a bad decision by Tom because following the lead of experts in the field is usually a sound decision.
You are both right, give it a rest
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 08, 2015, 12:01:38 AM
Dear God, you are all pretty.
It sounds like Tom bought sine kind of chamber and had his athletes train in it. He did this because several professional teams, experts in the field, we're doing the same thing. A reasonable course of action. More research was done and it was revealed that the experts were not as correct as originally thought so the practice fell out of popularity and the inventory got rid of the machine. As hberg pointed out, this has happened throughout the history of fitness.
So yes, the chamber didn't work as well as Tom hoped it would. But I would hardly call it a bad decision by Tom because following the lead of experts in the field is usually a sound decision.
You are both right, give it a rest
Who the hell is "Tom?"
Wade needs to buy a T-Cubed blow -up doll that claps endlessly on the sidelines just to authenticate this chit, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 08, 2015, 07:05:54 AM
Wade needs to buy a T-Cubed blow -up doll that claps endlessly on the sidelines just to authenticate this chit, hey?
Any tackling dummies spotted on the court?
It also should be pounded in to some brains that .. While it *might* have been Crean who read about some altitude chamber, it was far more likely that his strength trainer / medical staff came up with the idea. Regardless, he would have given it to them as food for thought and they pursued the idea, with plenty of "experts" advising on its use.
If they got it wrong, it's not on Crean, besides him trusting training experts who advised MU to use it incorrectly.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 07, 2015, 10:00:13 PM
You know that it's Dwyane's kid in the picture right?
How is nobody picking up on Wade's comment?
"I don't know if he will ever go to Marquette....but a father can dream..#homecourt #hegotnext"
Edit: My apologies, martyconlonontherun was on it.
Back to the point, Wade's son is good, right? Isn't this the first we've seen that Dwyane wants to see his son (I'm guessing Zaire) play at Marquette? Zaire has been identified as (at this point in time) one of the best prospects for the class of 2020. Hey, if Crean could offer an eighth grader, maybe Wojo is just a couple of years away from an offer.
What is the kid, 12-13 years old? Way too early to start projections--unless a kid is athletic and 6'9" at 13. Then maybe. But wait until he is 16-17 before starting the raves and hopes. It is OK for Wade to hope--he is the Dad.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 08, 2015, 08:27:31 AM
It also should be pounded in to some brains that .. While it *might* have been Crean who read about some altitude chamber, it was far more likely that his strength trainer / medical staff came up with the idea. Regardless, he would have given it to them as food for thought and they pursued the idea, with plenty of "experts" advising on its use.
If they got it wrong, it's not on Crean, besides him trusting training experts who advised MU to use it incorrectly.
Just like it's not Bert's fault Monarch gave a tshirt to Steve and then lied about it, but according to chicos that falls on Bert because he's the boss. But the lack of control over his players at IU is not Crean's, either, so...
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 07, 2015, 09:56:43 PM
That's why endurance athletes cluster around mountain regions (Monmouth Lakes CA, Boulder CO, Colorado Springs, Eugene OR),
Actually, Eugene isn't all that high. As for its residents, that is an altogether different matter...
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Quote from: wadesworld on January 08, 2015, 10:32:06 AM
Just like it's not Bert's fault Monarch gave a tshirt to Steve and then lied about it, but according to chicos that falls on Bert because he's the boss. But the lack of control over his players at IU is not Crean's, either, so...
There is a difference. Monarch violating NCAA rules is always a bad idea. Following the lead of professional basketball teams? Almost always a good idea.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 08, 2015, 08:27:31 AM
It also should be pounded in to some brains that .. While it *might* have been Crean who read about some altitude chamber, it was far more likely that his strength trainer / medical staff came up with the idea. Regardless, he would have given it to them as food for thought and they pursued the idea, with plenty of "experts" advising on its use.
If they got it wrong, it's not on Crean, besides him trusting training experts who advised MU to use it incorrectly.
Again, their is nothing wrong with coming up with the idea of using altitude chambers. They are legitimate training tools that can be effective in improving endurance. So, yes the training staff might have said the concept was a good idea.
The problem was the implementation. Not only were they being used incorrectly, but incorrect in a way that reduced one's endurance. So, they were actually making things worse. How did that happen? Two possibilities:
1 The training staff was unqualified to use them. They wanted the shiny new toy but neglected to figure out the proper way to implement it.
I'm not buying No. 1 above. My guess is it is something closer to no. 2 below ....
2. The Tan One wanted the new toy because he either read or saw it at some professional training facility. After they got it and the training staff told him the proper use, meaning you have to live it, sleep it in so you forces your body to get more efficient to compensate for being a high altitude, the Tan one rejected this use. Since they had it, he then put a couple of exercise bikes in it and made up some loopy training exercise all for the purpose of calling some reporters so he can say "look how cool we are."
Added:Altitude tents are so last decade. The new toy everyone wants is Alter-G or "zero gravity" treadmills! How many does IU basketball have? You think they have one in their altitude chamber too?
(http://i.space.com/images/i/466/i02/veterans-anti-gravity-treadmills-101110-02.jpg)
Actually I think the answer is that hypoxic training was considered all the rage a decade ago, but is falling out of favor because research has had mixed results about its effectiveness.
But don't let that get in your way when it comes to your irrational thoughts about Crean.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 08, 2015, 08:58:48 AM
What is the kid, 12-13 years old? Way too early to start projections--unless a kid is athletic and 6'9" at 13. Then maybe. But wait until he is 16-17 before starting the raves and hopes. It is OK for Wade to hope--he is the Dad.
Decided to do a little research, and it looks like Zaire is either turning 13 next month, which would make him a 2019, or is a 2020 (no indication of age other than 5th grade).
http://theybf.com/2012/02/10/exclusive-pics-zaire-wades-big-fabulous-sporty-10th-birthday-hosted-by-daddy-dwyane
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/dwyane-wade-son-zaire-one-nation-top-fifth-101514122.html
http://www.middleschoolhoops.com/zaire-wade-2020-basketball-profile-middleschoolhoops-com/
Philip Flory was 14 when he was offered and committed to Marquette. Plenty of history of coaches offering kids that young, though eighth grade to freshman year is about as young as most schools go. Watching the video from 18 months ago, he looks really little (they all do) but it seems like he's likely in 7th grade now, so I'm sure the interest will start rolling in within the next couple years.
I suppose it's a positive that Wade has been reconnecting with the program since Wojo arrived, they have a previous relationship through USA basketball, and daddy is already dreaming of his kid wearing the blue and gold, but I'm not going to spend any more time hoping for Zaire until we have a better sense of where he's at. Maybe in a year or two, but there are a lot of recruits left between now (still have 2015 openings) and then.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 08, 2015, 11:00:27 AM
Again, their is nothing wrong with coming up with the idea of using altitude chambers. They are legitimate training tools that can be effective in improving endurance. So, yes the training staff might have said the concept was a good idea.
The problem was the implementation. Not only were they being used incorrectly, but incorrect in a way that reduced one's endurance. So, they were actually making things worse. How did that happen? Two possibilities:
1 The training staff was unqualified to use them. They wanted the shiny new toy but neglected to figure out the proper way to implement it.
I'm not buying No. 1 above. My guess is it is something closer to no. 2 below ....
2. The Tan One wanted the new toy because he either read or saw it at some professional training facility. After they got it and the training staff told him the proper use, meaning you have to live it, sleep it in so you forces your body to get more efficient to compensate for being a high altitude, the Tan one rejected this use. Since they had it, he then put a couple of exercise bikes in it and made up some loopy training exercise all for the purpose of calling some reporters so he can say "look how cool we are."
Added:
Altitude tents are so last decade. The new toy everyone wants is Alter-G or "zero gravity" treadmills! How many does IU basketball have? You think they have one in their altitude chamber too?
(http://i.space.com/images/i/466/i02/veterans-anti-gravity-treadmills-101110-02.jpg)
But again, Tom was using them in the exact same way that professional basketball teams were using them. So he was following the lead of experts in the field. If he was using them incorrectly, it's because experts were also using them incorrectly.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 08, 2015, 11:22:08 AM
But again, Tom was using them in the exact same way that professional basketball teams were using them. So he was following the lead of experts in the field. If he was using them incorrectly, it's because experts were also using them incorrectly.
I disagree with that ... I've been a competitive runner for decades. I'm well into understanding how to train endurance athletes. In this circle altitude tents became popular in the 1990s and it was understood 15 years ago that what MU did with them in 2007 was wrong.
Now if you want to tell me that the dirty little secret is that a lot of trainers and strength/conditioning (s/c) coaches for professional teams and top D1 schools are really not that good, I would not disagree. I've met a number of trainers and s/c coaches that I have left shaking my head at how that got that job and why they are allowed to mess with multimillion dollar athletes.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 08, 2015, 11:00:27 AM
Again, their is nothing wrong with coming up with the idea of using altitude chambers. They are legitimate training tools that can be effective in improving endurance. So, yes the training staff might have said the concept was a good idea.
The problem was the implementation. Not only were they being used incorrectly, but incorrect in a way that reduced one's endurance. So, they were actually making things worse. How did that happen? Two possibilities:
You are correct. They used these devices incorrectly. If other pro teams were using them for hypoxic or hypobaric training, they were also using them incorrectly (or at least in an unproven way).
Live high-train low encourages new blood cells to grow, increasing endurance. Live low-train high just results in difficult and sub-optimal training. There is some conflicting data about live-low-train high exercise (it may be useful for altitude acclimation), but it is very far from providing any well established benefit. Even a live high-train low regimen would have minimal benefit for sports like basketball or football - certainly not for players that are still growing physically and not already at peak athletic endurance which normally occurs later in life (mid 20s-early 30s). I was on campus at the time and had an endurance athlete friend who lost his mind at how the university was wasting money on its athletes. It was a stupid purchase. Perhaps those chambers had some very good sales teams in the mid-2000s.
Quote from: 314warrior on January 08, 2015, 11:57:05 AM
You are correct. They used these devices incorrectly. If other pro teams were using them for hypoxic or hypobaric training, they were also using them incorrectly (or at least in an unproven way).
Live high-train low encourages new blood cells to grow, increasing endurance. Live low-train high just results in difficult and sub-optimal training. There is some conflicting data about live-low-train high exercise (it may be useful for altitude acclimation), but it is very far from providing any well established benefit. Even a live high-train low regimen would have minimal benefit for sports like basketball or football - certainly not for players that are still growing physically and not already at peak athletic endurance which normally occurs later in life (mid 20s-early 30s). I was on campus at the time and had an endurance athlete friend who lost his mind at how the university was wasting money on its athletes. It was a stupid purchase. Perhaps those chambers had some very good sales teams in the mid-2000s.
Yup.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 08, 2015, 11:22:08 AM
But again, Tom was using them in the exact same way that professional basketball teams were using them. So he was following the lead of experts in the field. If he was using them incorrectly, it's because experts were also using them incorrectly.
Exactly my point, but for some people connecting all the dots doesn't seem to matter. The fact that the experts in the field were using them the same way is apparently not worthy of comment, or the fact that we were relying on those experts and professionals to do their job and do it correctly. Instead we get a guess on what might of happened and pass it off as fact.
Funny to read this stuff, that's for sure.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 08, 2015, 10:32:06 AM
Just like it's not Bert's fault Monarch gave a tshirt to Steve and then lied about it, but according to chicos that falls on Bert because he's the boss. But the lack of control over his players at IU is not Crean's, either, so...
A few problems with your analogy...
1) Monarch's boss was Bert. The head trainer's boss is not the basketball coach. The training staff services multiple teams
2) Monarch has to pass a NCAA certification test like everyone else in the department. The basketball coach is not expected to be an expert in O2 levels, training procedures, the latest ways to tape ankles, etc....that's why they rely on medical advice from the trainers, doctors, etc...the experts
3) Under your analogy, if there is a corruption in the data file of a video provided while scouting a team, the head basketball coach is supposed to know how to fix that corruption...not the vendor or the video coordinator
You're better than this Wade.....really not your best efforts or Heisenberg's. It is early in 2015 still. You both get a mulligan
Quote from: 314warrior on January 08, 2015, 11:57:05 AM
You are correct. They used these devices incorrectly. If other pro teams were using them for hypoxic or hypobaric training, they were also using them incorrectly (or at least in an unproven way).
Live high-train low encourages new blood cells to grow, increasing endurance. Live low-train high just results in difficult and sub-optimal training. There is some conflicting data about live-low-train high exercise (it may be useful for altitude acclimation), but it is very far from providing any well established benefit. Even a live high-train low regimen would have minimal benefit for sports like basketball or football - certainly not for players that are still growing physically and not already at peak athletic endurance which normally occurs later in life (mid 20s-early 30s). I was on campus at the time and had an endurance athlete friend who lost his mind at how the university was wasting money on its athletes. It was a stupid purchase. Perhaps those chambers had some very good sales teams in the mid-2000s.
Maybe they were all using them incorrectly. Stupid purchase? That's hindsight. At the time, it was considered cutting edge. To the point that several folks in that article said they will be the norm within a decade. Other pro teams were using it for the same purpose we were. So MU tried to get ahead of the curve and get an advantage..oh the holy hell why would we want to do that? How terrible.
You know, there was a day not so many years ago when Rick Majerus and others wanted training table, better weight room, etc...to keep pace or get a recruiting edge. The administration didn't want to do it, it was a "stupid purchase". That mindset finally began to change. We went after something we thought would give the team an edge, like other pro teams had done. A few years ago we started using SportsVU which we share with the Milwaukee Bucks. It's about trying to get an edge. Some things will work, some will not. Do you want your program stagnating on this kind of stuff, or trying to be a leader?
Whatever floats your boat guys, but this may be one of the silliest ones in awhile.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 08, 2015, 07:41:25 PM
A few problems with your analogy...
1) Monarch's boss was Bert. The head trainer's boss is not the basketball coach. The training staff services multiple teams
2) Monarch has to pass a NCAA certification test like everyone else in the department. The basketball coach is not expected to be an expert in O2 levels, training procedures, the latest ways to tape ankles, etc....that's why they rely on medical advice from the trainers, doctors, etc...the experts
3) Under your analogy, if there is a corruption in the data file of a video provided while scouting a team, the head basketball coach is supposed to know how to fix that corruption...not the vendor or the video coordinator
You're better than this Wade.....really not your best efforts or Heisenberg's. It is early in 2015 still. You both get a mulligan
1) I'm thinking the strength and conditioning coach, the one who works directly for the basketball team, is probably someone they would turn to when looking for "cutting edge" conditioning tools.
2) Yes. Monarch needed to pass an NCAA certification test just like everyone else in the department. So why is Bert the one to blame for Monarch's failure to carry out those standards, and then lying about it? I continue to be baffled by this. We're talking about a professional who failed to do his job properly, and you want to blame this on someone else. This isn't some toddler who can't control his behavior. We're talking about an adult, who gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do his job properly, and failed to do so. I'll tell you what, if I went into my company's bank account and started slowly transferring money from it into my personal bank account without their consent, I'm going to go ahead and say I'm the one who will be going to jail, not my CFO. But hey, maybe some lawyers should give your reasoning a try, I bet that'll work out real nice for them.
3) If the video coordinator can't figure out how to fix it, should we blame the coach since he's the boss? To you, it depends. Is the coach Bert, or is it Crean? If it's Crean, it's obviously the video coordinator's fault. If the boss is Bert, Bert has no control of his employees and needs to be held accountable.
Glad you were able to settle the restless IU fans down during your absence. We missed you here.
As I recall, the issue wasn't so much that Marquette had these chambers, as unusual as that was, it's that the small town, social climbing, nouveau riche Crean thought it was important that everybody knew how much the things cost! This is the same douche bag who had his coaches riding around in gold Hummers. He also tried to impress recruits by showing up at their homes in the middle of the night in a limo. Either he has the tiniest penis in major collegiate athletics or he's a modern day Jethro Bodine. My God was he the worst!! Buzz was a 1000x more appealing!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 08, 2015, 08:47:02 PM
As I recall, the issue wasn't so much that Marquette had these chambers, as unusual as that was, it's that the small town, social climbing, nouveau riche Crean thought it was important that everybody knew how much the things cost! This is the same douche bag who had his coaches riding around in gold Hummers. He also tried to impress recruits by showing up at their homes in the middle of the night in a limo. Either he has the tiniest penis in major collegiate athletics or he's a modern day Jethro Bodine. My God was he the worst!! Buzz was a 1000x more appealing!
Works for me. I'll leave it there.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 08, 2015, 08:47:02 PM
As I recall, the issue wasn't so much that Marquette had these chambers, as unusual as that was, it's that the small town, social climbing, nouveau riche Crean thought it was important that everybody knew how much the things cost! This is the same douche bag who had his coaches riding around in gold Hummers. He also tried to impress recruits by showing up at their homes in the middle of the night in a limo. Either he has the tiniest penis in major collegiate athletics or he's a modern day Jethro Bodine. My God was he the worst!! Buzz was a 1000x more appealing!
I'm down with this too, kin. For the record, count me in for figurin' he's a member of the tiniest penis group, aina?
NVM, not really worth it. It's been seven years, how have people not gotten over this?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2015, 12:29:51 AM
NVM, not really worth it. It's been seven years, how have people not gotten over this?
Can't you just envision the MUScoop Nursing home in the year 2055, all these guys in their rocking chairs, wrapped in blankets, smelling like Ben Gay, reminiscing about the Apocalyptic Chamber that that fool Crean ate his breakfast in?
Ben Gay? More like rancid canned prunes, aina?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2015, 12:29:51 AM
NVM, not really worth it. It's been seven years, how have people not gotten over this?
Because people are inherently pathetic losers whose lives stack up so small in the meaningful ways they hoped for as a youth that the bitter vitriol they now weaponize against those in public positions is the only vindication they have, however shallow, to remain alive in this squalid world of their own creation.
Geez, it's time to move on.
The way TC left was pretty lame, but he brought us a Final Four, DWade, Travis, the Amigos, Lazar. Good >>>>>> Bad.
When I joined Scoop I remarked that many on here, present company included, at times seemed like a murder of crows or a group of shut-ins.
My experience in medical industry leads me to remember that there are toxicity issues with hyperbaric chambers. Used for hypoxia but can't see how intermediate use would lead to increased red cell manufacture.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 09, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
Geez, it's time to move on.
The way TC left was pretty lame, but he brought us a Final Four, DWade, Travis, the Amigos, Lazar. Good >>>>>> Bad.
False.
Quote from: elephantraker on January 09, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
When I joined Scoop I remarked that many on here, present company included, at times seemed like a murder of crows or a group of shut-ins.
My experience in medical industry leads me to remember that there are toxicity issues with hyperbaric chambers. Used for hypoxia but can't see how intermediate use would lead to increased red cell manufacture.
Ask Dr. Crean.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 09, 2015, 11:37:58 AM
False.
So if you could give back the final four, D Wade, Travis, the three Amigos, getting into the BEast, etc in exchange for not having Tom Crean as a coach for nine years, you would do it?
I honestly don't know what this board perceives as Crean's sins. He was, according to many scoopers, a douche, had odd habits, may or may not have been responsible for wasting money on some sort of altitude chamber, never followed through on his donation to the soccer team, and left his job in a very unprofessional manner. If you told me in 1999 that this would be what I had to endure for hiring Tom Crean, but I would be rewarded with a final four, a future NBA hall of famer, entry into the Big East, and all the success of the Buzz Williams era, I would take that deal in a second. In fact, every single scooper would have made that deal. Honestly, I think the price tag for Buzz' success was actually a lot more difficult to swallow.
Al really f**cked over all future Marquette coaches. If you aren't great and retire here, you are doomed to be hated by this fanbase.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2015, 05:36:35 PM
So if you could give back the final four, D Wade, Travis, the three Amigos, getting into the BEast, etc in exchange for not having Tom Crean as a coach for nine years, you would do it?
I honestly don't know what this board perceives as Crean's sins. He was, according to many scoopers, a douche, had odd habits, may or may not have been responsible for wasting money on some sort of altitude chamber, never followed through on his donation to the soccer team, and left his job in a very unprofessional manner. If you told me in 1999 that this would be what I had to endure for hiring Tom Crean, but I would be rewarded with a final four, a future NBA hall of famer, entry into the Big East, and all the success of the Buzz Williams era, I would take that deal in a second. In fact, every single scooper would have made that deal. Honestly, I think the price tag for Buzz' success was actually a lot more difficult to swallow.
Al really f**cked over all future Marquette coaches. If you aren't great and retire here, you are doomed to be hated by this fanbase.
Why do you either have to love him or hate him unconditionally? I thank him for all the things you listed. Great. Now in the next stop, do worse than you did at MU, so that it makes us look better. Thanks again. I hold this view for Buzz as well, and if Wojo leaves I will for him too. No hard feelings. I just want what I perceive to be the best for MU at all points in time, no matter how minimal it may be.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 08, 2015, 11:07:35 AM
Decided to do a little research, and it looks like Zaire is either turning 13 next month, which would make him a 2019, or is a 2020 (no indication of age other than 5th grade).
http://theybf.com/2012/02/10/exclusive-pics-zaire-wades-big-fabulous-sporty-10th-birthday-hosted-by-daddy-dwyane
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/dwyane-wade-son-zaire-one-nation-top-fifth-101514122.html
http://www.middleschoolhoops.com/zaire-wade-2020-basketball-profile-middleschoolhoops-com/
Philip Flory was 14 when he was offered and committed to Marquette. Plenty of history of coaches offering kids that young, though eighth grade to freshman year is about as young as most schools go. Watching the video from 18 months ago, he looks really little (they all do) but it seems like he's likely in 7th grade now, so I'm sure the interest will start rolling in within the next couple years.
I suppose it's a positive that Wade has been reconnecting with the program since Wojo arrived, they have a previous relationship through USA basketball, and daddy is already dreaming of his kid wearing the blue and gold, but I'm not going to spend any more time hoping for Zaire until we have a better sense of where he's at. Maybe in a year or two, but there are a lot of recruits left between now (still have 2015 openings) and then.
No sweat Brew, I'll pickup your slack.
LittleMurs, Zaire Wade to Marquette fan number two. Number one has been claimed by his Daddy.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 09, 2015, 07:40:34 PM
No sweat Brew, I'll pickup your slack.
LittleMurs, Zaire Wade to Marquette fan number two. Number one has been claimed by his Daddy.
Should we start the Zaire Scoop name campaign?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2015, 05:36:35 PM
So if you could give back the final four, D Wade, Travis, the three Amigos, getting into the BEast, etc in exchange for not having Tom Crean as a coach for nine years, you would do it?
I honestly don't know what this board perceives as Crean's sins. He was, according to many scoopers, a douche, had odd habits, may or may not have been responsible for wasting money on some sort of altitude chamber, never followed through on his donation to the soccer team, and left his job in a very unprofessional manner. If you told me in 1999 that this would be what I had to endure for hiring Tom Crean, but I would be rewarded with a final four, a future NBA hall of famer, entry into the Big East, and all the success of the Buzz Williams era, I would take that deal in a second. In fact, every single scooper would have made that deal. Honestly, I think the price tag for Buzz' success was actually a lot more difficult to swallow.
Al really f**cked over all future Marquette coaches. If you aren't great and retire here, you are doomed to be hated by this fanbase.
Crean returned us to the national conversation. The personality quirks are nothing but a side show. As far as I am concerned he delivered big time and that's all I care about.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 08, 2015, 08:36:51 PM
1) I'm thinking the strength and conditioning coach, the one who works directly for the basketball team, is probably someone they would turn to when looking for "cutting edge" conditioning tools.
2) Yes. Monarch needed to pass an NCAA certification test just like everyone else in the department. So why is Bert the one to blame for Monarch's failure to carry out those standards, and then lying about it? I continue to be baffled by this. We're talking about a professional who failed to do his job properly, and you want to blame this on someone else. This isn't some toddler who can't control his behavior. We're talking about an adult, who gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do his job properly, and failed to do so. I'll tell you what, if I went into my company's bank account and started slowly transferring money from it into my personal bank account without their consent, I'm going to go ahead and say I'm the one who will be going to jail, not my CFO. But hey, maybe some lawyers should give your reasoning a try, I bet that'll work out real nice for them.
3) If the video coordinator can't figure out how to fix it, should we blame the coach since he's the boss? To you, it depends. Is the coach Bert, or is it Crean? If it's Crean, it's obviously the video coordinator's fault. If the boss is Bert, Bert has no control of his employees and needs to be held accountable.
Glad you were able to settle the restless IU fans down during your absence. We missed you here.
Now, back to this....you again still failed to answer the question at hand.....which is why all of these experts were all using it in the same fashion (wrongly) and required an expertise that the basketball coach wouldn't have, yet the basketball coach is responsible and apparently DIRECTED it be used this way....was the basketball coach at MU directing the Phoenix Suns to use it wrongly? The Detroit Pistons? Various NFL teams? That is absurd....at an epic level.
The Monarch analogy is stupid, point blank stupid. Burt knows the rules just as Monarch does, Burt
IS RESPONSIBLE for having his staff follow those rules, execute those rules, it is part of their job. It is
NOT part of the basketball coach's job to know how to operate the video equipment or how to use some advanced conditioning equipment. That is a specific level of expertise that only a few people would know and they are hired on staff for their specified talents. As a manager, etc, you follow what those people of expertise are telling you. It is nowhere on the planet comparable to one of your assistants violating NCAA rules when everyone on the staff knows those rules. Everyone.
Again, you are a smart guy, you are going way overboard to link something that isn't there.
Finally, I'm not settling anyone down, but I do love the continued conspiracy theories on that. I guess if it's on the internet, it must be true. I told you why I've been away from here...very busy of late, tons of travel, dealing with an ailing parent and her news is worse the last few weeks. Fortunately I get to spend time with her this weekend (she's resting as we speak) which we are enjoying.
The cost of this chamber....silly. $41K. Are you kidding me. We spent 3X to bring in some clown team with a RPI for 330 to bring down our SOS probably 3 to 5 times a year. A home game would bring in anywhere from $250K to $400K per game. $41K in what was thought to be able to add 5% to 10% productivity to players at the time....no brainer, easy calculation.
Wadesworld.....Jayd Grossman was on the athletic training staff for all of MU athletics, not just Men's Hoops. That's how they are structured, they serve all teams, and do not report to men's hoops.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/w-baskbl/auto_pdf/wbb_0607-1-40.pdf