1. Great 5 minute stretch from Sandy in the first half. It was what was missing against DePaul.
2. Needed to see Duane on the floor during the last 2 minutes. I don't care if you sit Juan or Luke, you need the 4 guard out there in end-of-game full court press situations.
3. Solid minutes from Steve in the second half when Luke went out with foul trouble.
4. Sometimes, when the offense is focused on getting the ball to Luke in the post, everybody stands around. (BTW, just to be a jerk, how come Derrick is able to get Luke the ball in the post when he couldn't get it to Davante. Perhaps how hard the post player is working?)
5. While talking about Derrick, how come the announcers all love him, his leadership, his courage, his defense...... must have fooled them, too.
6. Clearly, this team is going to win some more games. Probably not against Georgetown, though.
7. JJJ was killing it on the boards today.
8. Having said nice things about Derrick, I will now say....why in the hell did he suddenly start channeling the bad Jerel by driving baseline without a plan? Terrible decision making. Bad for Jerel. Worse for Derrick because he should know that he isn't capable of creating there.
9. Like everybody else, I saw visions of DePaul redux. However, they kept going to the paint today. Maybe that lesson has been learned.
10. Wojo is still making first year coaching errors. IMO, today's was to not play Duane more in the second half.
11. Take the win, hug the win, cuddle the win, whisper in the win's ear. Ahhhhhhhhh......
Duane was pretty poor all game. But I understand your point about having another guard on the floor. JJJ is the one that worries me a bit because he isn't great handling the ball, but he had ten rebounds today. Ten! Fantastic effort all around.
Really sucks we are not 2-0 right now in this league of parody but I am just glad we are not at the bottom of the standings either.
While it isn't likely, maybe we can steal one in GT and make up for DePaul.
Team is still really fun. Just wish they could shoot lol
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 03, 2015, 03:22:30 PM
Duane was pretty poor all game. But I understand your point about having another guard on the floor. JJJ is the one that worries me a bit because he isn't great handling the ball, but he had ten rebounds today. Ten! Fantastic effort all around.
Duane WAS pretty poor. But, as Providence pressed, I would rather he have the ball than JJJ in that situation. I would prefer to not have 3 guys on the floor who make me mutter when they get fouled. (Luke, Juan, Derrick)
Quote from: tower912 on January 03, 2015, 03:19:43 PM
11. Take the win, hug the win, cuddle the win, whisper in the win's ear. Ahhhhhhhhh......
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12. PRACTICE YOUR FREE THROWS!!!! oh.....wait......
Quote from: tower912 on January 03, 2015, 03:19:43 PM
4. Sometimes, when the offense is focused on getting the ball to Luke in the post, everybody stands around. (BTW, just to be a jerk, how come Derrick is able to get Luke the ball in the post when he couldn't get it to Davante. Perhaps how hard the post player is working?)
Agree completely. Wojo has to figure out plays where there is still movement yet it isn't easy for the opposing team to double Luke. It seems like everyone just tries to clear for Luke but if he isn't open the offense is left with a desperation three.
Posted in another thread, but Derrick really showed his value today. Shot well. 5 assists, one turnover, six rebounds. Defended well.
* Team defense for the win
* Minutes from Sandy + minutes from Steve = fresher Juan at then end
* That's probably a typical line for Luke today, and that would be OK
* Yeoman's work from Derrick. Not pretty, but relatively effective
Great defense all day. Really swarmed the ball and forced turnovers when they brought the ball down low in the paint. Cut off passing lanes, got out in transition. Would have liked to have seen more points and a bigger spread but the win is just as sweet.
In the end Carlino's 2nd half threes and Juan's bank evened out our 3pt shooting a little, but the first half was difficult to watch. Not sure if guys just aren't stepping into their 3's or what but it was frustrating to watch some of those shots clang off the rim. Granted one or two were desperation 3s with a low shot clock but it's something to improve on.
Free throws. Part of closing out games is making free throws at the end. When an opposing team fouls us, making those free throws preserves the lead and demoralizes their efforts. Missing the front end of one and one's is essentially a turnover for us. It was frustrating to watch this team move the ball for 32 seconds, get fouled with three seconds left on the shot clock, and not make Providence pay for the foul. That being said, Juan really stepped up in the end and sank some important free throws. Would love to see the team make 3-4 more per game.
Cohen. Pretty stroke, loved the runner/hook off the glass, nailed a deep 3 with the clock winding down. It's only one game but if he can bring that sort of offensive prowess and continue to develop defensively he could be very good. Loved watching him become more confident as he went on that little run seemingly by himself. Hopefully we will continue to see this out of him.
Derrick was solid all day. He doesn't make great plays, but generally he makes the smart plays which can be just as important. He's not going to shoot you into a game like Carlino or take over but he does his job and gives his best. JJJ showed some real aggressiveness driving the lane and with that sweet put back dunk. Fisher is still getting used to playing against size but he still looked good moving in the post and helping on defense. Gotta watch those fouls, especially silly ones on moving screens.
Duane couldn't find a rhythm all day and missed a couple early threes. His stroke looks fine but it wasn't falling today. Made some good steals and drove the lane but had trouble finishing.
Overall a great team effort and bounce back from the DePaul loss. If that is the type of defense they can bring every night this team will give a lot of people headaches. As always there is room for improvement, but good to see them get their feet back under them after a bad loss and close this one out.
Quote from: tower912 on January 03, 2015, 03:19:43 PM
10. Wojo is still making first year coaching errors. IMO, today's was to not play Duane more in the second half.
Disagree a little here - although Duane should probably be on the floor in the last two minutes. But, from Wojo's side of things, Duane doesn't always protect the ball.
And don't agree with the 1st-year coaching errors thing. He has coached players at a much higher level than this - albeit not as a head coach. But this is not a typical assistant moving the the hot seat for the first time.
So where's duanewade today?
Quote from: ChitownJuan on January 03, 2015, 04:21:49 PM
So where's duanewade today?
Crying in his beer at some dive bar with Willie.
Sandy Cohen, sounds like instant offense, The Microwave, John Gwynn of early 90's UConn fame.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 03, 2015, 03:22:56 PM
Really sucks we are not 2-0 right now in this league of parody but I am just glad we are not at the bottom of the standings either.
While it isn't likely, maybe we can steal one in GT and make up for DePaul.
Team is still really fun. Just wish they could shoot lol
I think you meant to say parity,
Duane is pushing the ball instead of shooting it. Flat shot that usually misses long. Needs a few to drop to get his confidence back.
Coaching job was great today, particularly out of halftime. MU was too bunched at the top of the zone, and Wojo decided to extend it into a pseudo zone trap in the halfcourt. Took PC out of their offense for a good chunk of the second half, and allowed MU to build a cushion.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 03, 2015, 04:53:09 PM
Duane is pushing the ball instead of shooting it. Flat shot that usually misses long. Needs a few to drop to get his confidence back.
Coaching job was great today, particularly out of halftime. MU was too bunched at the top of the zone, and Wojo decided to extend it into a pseudo zone trap in the halfcourt. Took PC out of their offense for a good chunk of the second half, and allowed MU to build a cushion.
+1. Good halftime adjustments just like with DePaul. Our steal game was awesome as Dunn struggled. Went to War of Attrition this game instead of going into a safe protection mode. PC started game 8-8 yet Wojo kept MU in it to start with the defense forcing turnovers.
Also liked starting Luke and giving Sandy 1st half minutes wth a green light to soften up the defense when Du and Lino continued their cold spells. Would like a starting line up of Luke, Juan and Steve/Sandy to go with Derrick/Du and JJJ/Carlino depending on match-ups and hot hands.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400588400
Box score with minutes. MU wins the rebounding war. (nice work, JJJ) 12 steals.
They don't count horrible inbounds pass resulting for an easy layup for the other team as a turnover?
Assist total would go up if he did not hold the ball to 5 secs left and then dump it off to another player for a terrible shot...
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 03, 2015, 03:38:10 PM
Posted in another thread, but Derrick really showed his value today. Shot well. 5 assists, one turnover, six rebounds. Defended well.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 03, 2015, 05:40:56 PM
They don't count horrible inbounds pass resulting for an easy layup for the other team as a turnover?
Assist total would go up if he did not hold the ball to 5 secs left and then dump it off to another player for a terrible shot...
LOL...of course. Always someone steps forward to criticize.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 03, 2015, 05:40:56 PM
They don't count horrible inbounds pass resulting for an easy layup for the other team as a turnover?
Assist total would go up if he did not hold the ball to 5 secs left and then dump it off to another player for a terrible shot...
We've missed you Ners.
ners is actually on the scoutboard (mu1997) with a post praising Derrick's play. While sliding in the shiv that he hopes that Wojo doesn't treat Cohen like Buzz did Dawson.
15. Four guards and Juan against a really good team? I did not like that look at all. I can see it at the end of the game (and was actually hoping for it) against the press. During the middle of the game as a change up against a team with the size of Providence? Ick.
Quote from: tower912 on January 03, 2015, 05:39:50 PM
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400588400
Box score with minutes. MU wins the rebounding war. (nice work, JJJ) 12 steals.
6 guys with 2 steals nice
Quote from: brandx on January 03, 2015, 04:26:40 PM
Crying in his beer at some dive bar
What the hell is wrong with dive bars??
Back in the day, Marquette was nothing but...it was a time when the quality of the watering hole was measured in the adhesive strength of the floor on your Topsiders, how many drafts you got for a dollar, and the stale odor of spilled beer mixed with urine and the cheap perfume of too many fat assed coeds looking for companionship in the cold darkness of a Milwaukee winter.
True dat. Murph's, The Gym, The Gloc, O'D's, The 'Lanche, Heg's, the State House... none of them could be called hip or trendy. But they were ours.
Quote from: keefe on January 03, 2015, 07:21:33 PM
What the hell is wrong with dive bars??
Back in the day, Marquette was nothing but...it was a time when the quality of the watering hole was measured in the adhesive strength of the floor on your Topsiders, how many drafts you got for a dollar, and the stale odor of spilled beer mixed with urine and the cheap perfume of too many fat assed coeds looking for companionship in the cold darkness of a Milwaukee winter.
Ahhh memories...
Quote from: tower912 on January 03, 2015, 07:24:10 PM
True dat. Murph's, The Gym, The Gloc, O'D's, The 'Lanche, Heg's, the State House... none of them could be called hip or trendy. But they were ours.
Don't forget Lenny's, my friend.
Quote from: tower912 on January 03, 2015, 05:39:50 PM
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400588400
Box score with minutes. MU wins the rebounding war. (nice work, JJJ) 12 steals.
If you had told me before the game that Luke and Juan would combine for 6 rebounds, I'd have thought we'd get killed on the boards and in the game.
Duane is really struggling. I would start JJJ over Duane. Sooner or later every one here will realize that Derrick is the best guard on this team.
Quote from: bilsu on January 03, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Duane is really struggling. I would start JJJ over Duane. Sooner or later every one here will realize that Derrick is the best guard on this team.
Not likely.
Quote from: bilsu on January 03, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Duane is really struggling. I would start JJJ over Duane. Sooner or later every one here will realize that Derrick is the best guard on this team.
Don't mess with success, JJJ is finding a niche coming off the bench. His shot still isn't there, but he's impacting the games in other ways.
As far as Duane, he's obviously in a slump. Not really surprising, he's a first year player. There's going to be ups and downs for him this year. We've seen both already. Let him play through it. I don't think bringing him off the bench is the magic answer.
Quote from: bilsu on January 03, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Duane is really struggling. I would start JJJ over Duane. Sooner or later every one here will realize that Derrick is the best guard on this team.
I would like to see JJJ start and have him paired with Duane. Very difficult combo to defense.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 03, 2015, 10:41:28 PM
I would like to see JJJ start and have him paired with Duane. Very difficult combo to defense.
Not now they aren't, not even close. Neither of them can throw it in the ocean from beyond 15 feet away.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 03, 2015, 10:41:28 PM
I would like to see JJJ start and have him paired with Duane. Very difficult combo to defense.
I like what Wojo is doing in riding the hot hand between the two. Subbing 1 for the other. They have potential, but they are very inconsistent in their production right now. Heck, people were livid with Carlino's 3-14 shooting against DePaul and now JJJ shoots 3-13 and we want to see more of him with a guy who shot 2-9 because they're a difficult combo "to defense." Again, I love their huge potential but they need to start showing some consistency before I'm ready to call for more minutes for them over a guy like Derrick.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 03, 2015, 10:50:24 PM
I like what Wojo is doing in riding the hot hand between the two. Subbing 1 for the other. They have potential, but they are very inconsistent in their production right now. Heck, people were livid with Carlino's 3-14 shooting against DePaul and now JJJ shoots 3-13 and we want to see more of him with a guy who shot 2-9 because they're a difficult combo "to defense." Again, I love their huge potential but they need to start showing some consistency before I'm ready to call for more minutes for them over a guy like Derrick.
I think the difference between Carlino vs DePaul and JJJ today was pretty blatant.
Hopefully you saw it yourself and just said the above just because
Quote from: Texas Western on January 03, 2015, 10:41:28 PM
I would like to see JJJ start and have him paired with Duane. Very difficult combo to defense.
Until one of them develops a consistent outside shot playing them together for long stretches will be counterproductive. Having two players who can slash but can't shoot is redundant. They both serve the same purpose on the court and would get in each other's way.
Duane's had a truly awful stretch of seven games. Jajuan's been better but he still shoots the three worse than Derrick Wilson. I'm hoping Duane snaps out of it but I'm not hopeful about JjJ's three point shooting. At least not until he gets rid of the awkward hitch in his shot.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 03, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Until one of them develops a consistent outside shot playing them together for long stretches will be counterproductive. Having two players who can slash but can't shoot is redundant. They both serve the same purpose on the court and would get in each other's way.
Duane's had a truly awful stretch of seven games. Jajuan's been better but he still shoots the three worse than Derrick Wilson. I'm hoping Duane snaps out of it but I'm not hopeful about JjJ's three point shooting. At least not until he gets rid of the awkward hitch in his shot.
JJJ is shooting .212 compared to Derrick's .222. I wouldnt really consider that shooting it better. Oh and he's made six 3's in his entire career. I think I know who I would rather have taking the 3 between them.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 03, 2015, 11:35:00 PM
JJJ is shooting .212 compared to Derrick's .222. I wouldnt really consider that shooting it better. Oh and he's made six 3's in his entire career. I think I know who I would rather have taking the 3 between them.
career 3pt
JJJ 16-64 .250
Derrick 6-41 .146
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 03, 2015, 11:35:00 PM
JJJ is shooting .212 compared to Derrick's .222. I wouldnt really consider that shooting it better. Oh and he's made six 3's in his entire career. I think I know who I would rather have taking the 3 between them.
Sigh, I was using Derrick Wilson a measurement of how poor JjJ has been shooting. I wasn't actually comparing the two. I don't care who I'd rather have shooting a three pointer between JjJ and Derrick. The point is that if your in the same neighborhood as Derrick Wilson, then you aren't shooting the three very well right now.
Providence was able to guard Fischer in the post without double teaming. It took a while to figure out what to do next. Another permutation for Wojo to work on. How to run the offense when Fischer can be neutralized by one defender.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 03, 2015, 10:48:47 PM
Not now they aren't, not even close. Neither of them can throw it in the ocean from beyond 15 feet away.
But Derrick can!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 03, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Until one of them develops a consistent outside shot playing them together for long stretches will be counterproductive. Having two players who can slash but can't shoot is redundant. They both serve the same purpose on the court and would get in each other's way.
Duane's had a truly awful stretch of seven games. Jajuan's been better but he still shoots the three worse than Derrick Wilson. I'm hoping Duane snaps out of it but I'm not hopeful about JjJ's three point shooting. At least not until he gets rid of the awkward hitch in his shot.
JJJ is a good free throw shooter. Some of his missed shots end up at the line. His range from beyond 15 feet needs to improve, he creates a lot of wide open looks for himself that he should be dropping down more. The more I watch him I think your correct
About that hitch. It seems as if he developed his shot for inside play , floaters and free throws .
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2015, 06:53:51 AM
Providence was able to guard Fischer in the post without double teaming. It took a while to figure out what to do next. Another permutation for Wojo to work on. How to run the offense when Fischer can be neutralized by one defender.
I'm happy the team experienced this scenario early in the season and still pulled off a win. Great opportunity for growth.
Quote from: bilsu on January 03, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Sooner or later every one here will realize that Derrick is the best guard on this team.
Well, I don't know about that.
But as was the case with Lockett last season, I am starting to realize that Derrick is pretty good at his assigned role.
He sat for a few minutes yesterday and the offense was extremely disorganized, consisting mostly of unsuccessful one-on-one drives to the hoop by the younger guards. I surprised myself when I said, "Wojo needs to get Derrick back in there." I never thought I would utter those words.
A lot of people said last year that the problem was a backcourt of Derrick and Jake. Now that MU has better scoring options, especially Matt Carlino, the lack of scoring production from Derrick isn't as big of a deal and his positive attributes are easier to see. He defends well, rebounds well, and has been more aggressive this year. He is the extension of the coach on the floor.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 04, 2015, 09:47:30 AM
A lot of people said last year that the problem was a backcourt of Derrick and Jake. Now that MU has better scoring options, especially Matt Carlino, the lack of scoring production from Derrick isn't as big of a deal and his positive attributes are easier to see. He defends well, rebounds well, and has been more aggressive this year. He is the extension of the coach on the floor.
I agree with all of this, Sultan.
It doesn't change my opinion that last season Derrick was one of the worst starting high-major PGs I'd ever seen or that our starting backcourt might have been the worst in Marquette history.
I never "blamed" Derrick for any of that. It wasn't his fault that he was thrust into a role for which he wasn't equipped or that he was not surrounded by players who could help him execute his role better.
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2015, 10:34:14 AM
It doesn't change my opinion that last season Derrick was one of the worst starting high-major PGs I'd ever seen or that our starting backcourt might have been the worst in Marquette history.
Want to pound him just to pound him? Fine, go all hyperbolic on him. It doesn't change my opinion that he was our only alternative at the point last year. And it doesn't change my opinion that those who think John Dawson was/is the answer were/are nuts. The fact that TWO coaches being paid millions to win basketball games agree just solidifies that opinion.
Beyond that, I think the beating Derrick has taken on this board is disgraceful.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 04, 2015, 11:14:19 AM
Want to pound him just to pound him? Fine, go all hyperbolic on him. It doesn't change my opinion that he was our only alternative at the point last year. And it doesn't change my opinion that those who think John Dawson was/is the answer were/are nuts. The fact that TWO coaches being paid millions to win basketball games agree just solidifies that opinion.
Beyond that, I think the beating Derrick has taken on this board is disgraceful.
You're arguing different points.
MU said Derrick and our back court were horrible. You said Derrick was our best option.
Well, you're both right.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 04, 2015, 11:14:19 AM
I think the beating Derrick has taken on this board is disgraceful.
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Juan Anderson brought a lot of energy to this game.
Quote from: Marqevans on January 05, 2015, 03:21:01 PM
Juan Anderson brought a lot of energy to this game.
Juan has been the most pleasant surprise of the season to date for me.
Nice to see the energy and hustle that he has always displayed getting paid out on the stat line. What would the record be right now if not for this:
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 56m56 minutes ago
Marquette's Juan Anderson last year: 3.2 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 38% FGs, 19% 3-pt. THIS YEAR: 11.5 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 56% FGs, 53% 3-pt. Big jump.
I think this was the best game this team has played all season. Finally got to watch it after a very busy weekend. With the exception of free throw shooting it was fun to watch the team play well.
That said, I think Providence can make a really deep run in the tournament and be near the top of the league the next couple of years with the young athletic size they have up front. Cooley has done a great job with the program.