We have a week, so...onto a new topic.
I think JjJ's funky shooting form is a problem. Too many moving parts leading to inconsistency. It always bothers me to see a HS player have a funky shot. Grade school coaches can teach fundamental shooting, or send the kid to a shooting clinic.
I'm not advocating a change because at this point in his career it is what it is.
I agree, but he's got way bigger issues than his shooting form. His motor, awareness, and decision making are glaring deficiencies.
Doesnt bother me. I have seen far worse shooting forms from incredible shooters. My own form isnt great but Im a pretty good shooter. (its all I can do honestly) Its just a matter of what you practice. Sure some shots are quicker than others but if it works for you then so be it.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 08, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
I agree, but he's got way bigger issues than his shooting form. His motor, awareness, and decision making are glaring deficiencies.
I don't disagree.
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on December 08, 2014, 11:07:51 AM
I don't disagree.
This sentence is the grammatical equivalent of JJJ's shooting form.
JJJ has an excellent free throw percentage. His form works for him. When he is in the flow of the game he is a very constant threat.
His biggest issue right now is being part of a team defense. It is what is keeping him off the floor and thus out of the flow and creating a bad cycle for him.
Quote from: Texas Western on December 08, 2014, 11:55:01 AM
JJJ has an excellent free throw percentage. His form works for him. When he is in the flow of the game he is a very constant threat.
His biggest issue right now is being part of a team defense. It is what is keeping him off the floor and thus out of the flow and creating a bad cycle for him.
I want to agree with you, but he's missed a lot of open 3's this season.
Quote from: Texas Western on December 08, 2014, 11:55:01 AM
JJJ has an excellent free throw percentage. His form works for him. When he is in the flow of the game he is a very constant threat.
His biggest issue right now is being part of a team defense. It is what is keeping him off the floor and thus out of the flow and creating a bad cycle for him.
He is a very consistent threat? Who the heck are you watching? The only consistent part of JJJ's game is consistently not performing well.
It's horrendous and they can have him change it and alter it.
I remember that Vander Blue's was broke too, and not his jump shot and shooting form are superb from what it was even 3 years ago. I have seen him lately in the D-league and he is on top of it.
You can fix his shot if he wants to because he will NEVER get that off at the next level against good defenders if that is even his aspiration much less in college.
Once he gets stronger he might grow into it if he strengthens his shoulders and upper body but he has the ability to do so.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2014, 11:59:13 AM
He is a very consistent threat? Who the heck are you watching? The only consistent part of JJJ's game is consistently not performing well.
I think he has an ability to take a quick first step and drive it.
Quote from: Texas Western on December 08, 2014, 12:04:13 PM
I think he has an ability to take a quick first step and drive it.
His biggest problem is he never does that.
My thoughts/opinon on correcting shooting form for college players went out the window when I saw Shawn Marion make the NBA.
Quote from: Texas Western on December 08, 2014, 12:04:13 PM
I think he has an ability to take a quick first step and drive it.
What is he doing with that first step to make himself dangerous? Finishing at the rim? Dishing off for others?
Confidence is his main issue, it's hard to be a bench player. If you hit your first few shots off the bench the coach will probably stick with you, if you miss you don't add enough elsewhere to earn minutes.
He needs to get stronger, simple as that. I think he's plenty quick and has long arms, once he adds muscle he'll be a solid defender. I don't think his motor or awareness is the problem. IMO, fighting through screens and getting bumped off drives is the issue. One of JJJ's main strengths out of high school was his defense, but he's not big enough to carry that to the next level. Not comparing him to Wiggins, but defense was supposed to be a huge strength of his. I continually see him getting abused by stronger wings in the NBA.
Quote from: MUEllensonCrew on December 08, 2014, 12:05:36 PM
My thoughts/opinon on correcting shooting form for college players went out the window when I saw Shawn Marion make the NBA.
You must not have ever seen Jamal Wilkes play for the Lakers.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 08, 2014, 12:06:16 PM
What is he doing with that first step to make himself dangerous? Finishing at the rim? Dishing off for others?
He has demonstrated that he has the ability to finish. He just has to gain the confidence of coaches to allow him to stay in the game.
Quote from: Texas Western on December 08, 2014, 12:14:57 PM
He has demonstrated that he has the ability to finish. He just has to gain the confidence of coaches to allow him to stay in the game.
He demonstrated it against UT-Martin. Since then....
Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 08, 2014, 10:40:20 AM
My own form isnt great but Im a pretty good shooter. (its all I can do honestly)
How's Switzerland?
Every time I watch him I think of Jamail Jones. Highly touted prospect, great athlete, supposedly a good shooter... barely plays because he can't (or won't) play defense.
Quote from: keefe on December 08, 2014, 12:16:18 PM
How's Switzerland?
Ha, try more like 16th and Clybourn.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
He demonstrated it against UT-Martin. Since then....
I think this kid puts his heart into it every play and has a lot of emotion. He started off well against Ohio State, but since then he has been in a funk for sure. Coaches are showing support but at some point he needs to dig down deep too. I think he can.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 08, 2014, 12:21:28 PM
Every time I watch him I think of Jamail Jones. Highly touted prospect, great athlete, supposedly a good shooter... barely plays because he can't (or won't) play defense.
JJJ likes to play D he just needs to learn to play it within a team concept.
Jamail doing well at Florida Gulf Coast this year.11.8 ppg 5.8 rebounds 1.8 assists.
People on this board seem to expect JJJ to go from playing 0 meaningful minutes last year to somehow being a borderline all conference player. You guys gotta chill out on him. He's got the pieces to be a great player it's just gonna take a while. Maybe it'll be later this season, maybe it'll be next year. Who knows. Give him a break.
Quote from: MUEllensonCrew on December 08, 2014, 12:05:36 PM
My thoughts/opinon on correcting shooting form for college players went out the window when I saw Shawn Marion make the NBA.
You're saying shooting it from your waistband with alligator arms isn't optimal form?
Quote from: MarkusSharkus on December 08, 2014, 12:33:11 PM
People on this board seem to expect JJJ to go from playing 0 meaningful minutes last year to somehow being a borderline all conference player.
Who said that?
Here's what I did expect... he had a clean slate with Wojo, and ample opportunities to earn playing time with their short bench. He's not appreciably better at this point than he was a year ago. He had one good offensive game (UTM this year, ASU last) and that's about it. Still terrible on defense, still mistake prone on offense.
JJJ's form could be serviceable if he picked the right opportunities. In the Wisco game, he shot from 3-4 ft beyond the line over Gasser and early in the shot clock. This is not going to get you very far. JJJ doesn't look to drive much which I think it detrimental to his shooting. He needs to try to get to the basket and get fouls.
I think his form is in direct relation to his length.
Shot NEEDS to change if he wants any realistic chance of making it to the next level. Kevin Durant has somewhat of a similar shooting motion, but he's a freak. Poor shooting forms do find their way into the NBA, but not often. Blue's wide elbow / chicken wing, flip shot motion was holding him back. Similar story for JjJ. Love his athleticism, though.
Quote from: MarkusSharkus on December 08, 2014, 12:33:11 PM
People on this board seem to expect JJJ to go from playing 0 meaningful minutes last year to somehow being a borderline all conference player. You guys gotta chill out on him. He's got the pieces to be a great player it's just gonna take a while. Maybe it'll be later this season, maybe it'll be next year. Who knows. Give him a break.
Agreed
Quote from: humanlung on December 08, 2014, 11:30:39 AM
This sentence is the grammatical equivalent of JJJ's shooting form.
??? I replied while I was on a boring conference call. Sorry I don't meet your standards.
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on December 08, 2014, 01:09:22 PM
??? I replied while I was on a boring conference call. Sorry I don't meet your standards.
I don't not believe that my standards are that high... :)
Didn't mean to be a d!ck. Sorry, you are right.
Quote from: MarkusSharkus on December 08, 2014, 12:33:11 PM
People on this board seem to expect JJJ to go from playing 0 meaningful minutes last year to somehow being a borderline all conference player. You guys gotta chill out on him. He's got the pieces to be a great player it's just gonna take a while. Maybe it'll be later this season, maybe it'll be next year. Who knows. Give him a break.
He played quite a bit at the start of last season. He wasn't ready, played himself to the bench. He's playing more this season, but so far has been disappointing again. Maybe you're right and he becomes a great player. This year. Or next year. But maybe never.
Quote from: humanlung on December 09, 2014, 11:36:23 AM
I don't not believe that my standards are that high... :)
Didn't mean to be a d!ck. Sorry, you are right.
No sweat. Probably should of let it go anyway.
Looks like JJJ will be getting a lot of minutes now.
Quote from: Texas Western on December 09, 2014, 01:08:05 PM
Looks like JJJ will be getting a lot of minutes now.
I actually thought he would have left before Deonte. Now we will find out if he can play, but if he can't play D, we will be like Norman Dale in "Hoosiers" with four guys on the court.
Quote from: ecompt on December 09, 2014, 02:25:24 PM
I actually thought he would have left before Deonte. Now we will find out if he can play, but if he can't play D, we will be like Norman Dale in "Hoosiers" with four guys on the court.
Some would argue this has been the case since the start of last year...
Quote from: humanlung on December 09, 2014, 03:37:52 PM
Some would argue this has been the case since the start of last year...
Yes, there are some dumb people in this world.