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Alright, that moves us up to eighth in the conference!
Butler has had a rough go of it since entering the Big East. Hope they can turn it around.
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 02, 2014, 12:16:20 PM
Alright, that moves us up to eighth in the conference!
Care to elaborate on the context of your teal?
Quote from: CAGASS24 on October 02, 2014, 01:38:45 PM
Care to elaborate on the context of your teal?
It means Villanova and Georgetown are finishing 9th and 10th, respectively. ;D
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on October 02, 2014, 01:44:55 PM
It means Villanova and Georgetown are finishing 9th and 10th, respectively. ;D
If you look at the standings upside down.
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 02, 2014, 12:16:20 PM
Alright, that moves us up to eighth in the conference!
More bovine effluent
Quit being so down on us. We have a young talented team and a new coach that will surprise the NCAA when we make it and do well.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 02, 2014, 01:51:04 PM
More bovine effluent
Quit being so down on us. We have a young talented team and a new coach that will surprise the NCAA when we make it and do well.
Final four or you're wrong!
I was speaking more to someone apparently trying to spin this person's medical hardship as an MU basketball windfall, as if doing it facetiously somehow makes it ok
Quote from: NYWarrior on October 02, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
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From Jeff Goodman's twitter feed:
"Sad news of Butler's Brandon Milller taking leave of absence. Close friends of his told me he has basically been out of contact for months."
"They also said that virtually no one saw him out in July during recruiting period. Would not be shocked if he does not return."
"Miller left the business a few years back at assistant at Ohio State for what sources told ESPN were stress-related issues."
Quote from: CAGASS24 on October 02, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
I was speaking more to someone apparently trying to spin this person's medical hardship as an MU basketball windfall, as if doing it facetiously somehow makes it ok
Come on guy chill out. It's not like he said it seriously, everybody's humor is different not all of us can have your apparently perfect PG sense
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 02, 2014, 12:16:20 PM
Alright, that moves us up to eighth in the conference!
Quote from: CAGASS24 on October 02, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
I was speaking more to someone apparently trying to spin this person's medical hardship as an MU basketball windfall, as if doing it facetiously somehow makes it ok
Little'murs'Ellensen was referencing a magazine ranking (Lindy's?) that had MU ranked 9th in a preseason Big East prognostication. Butler was ranked ahead of MU. So if Butler under achieved as a result of Miller's leave then MU would benefit by one spot in the rankings. Not sure moving up to 8th from 9th in some erroneous basketball magazine's rankings counts as a 'windfall'. It was a light-hearted response to a serious issue, aimed at a silly ranking, but I guess in this age of 'outrage' bringing a little levity to these situations would be considered 'disgusting'.
Quote from: THRILLHO on October 02, 2014, 03:46:01 PM
From Jeff Goodman's twitter feed:
"Sad news of Butler's Brandon Milller taking leave of absence. Close friends of his told me he has basically been out of contact for months."
"They also said that virtually no one saw him out in July during recruiting period. Would not be shocked if he does not return."
"Miller left the business a few years back at assistant at Ohio State for what sources told ESPN were stress-related issues."
Wow. Good luck to Miller. Hope he gets some help and gets out of the pressure cooker that is college coaching.
Quote from: THRILLHO on October 02, 2014, 03:46:01 PM
From Jeff Goodman's twitter feed:
"Sad news of Butler's Brandon Milller taking leave of absence. Close friends of his told me he has basically been out of contact for months."
"They also said that virtually no one saw him out in July during recruiting period. Would not be shocked if he does not return."
"Miller left the business a few years back at assistant at Ohio State for what sources told ESPN were stress-related issues."
I feel sorry for him. At the time Butler was hiring him they were also looking at anothe Butler alum. They should go to the other guy now. Stress is a huge part of the job and if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
From CBS Sports Gary Parrish:
Butler coach Brandon Miller is taking a medical leave of absence from the Bulldogs program to address an unspecified medical issue, the school announced Thursday afternoon.
No additional details were released.
Assistant Chris Holtman will serve as the interim coach.
"Brandon Miller has requested a leave of absence for medical reasons, which the university has granted," said Butler athletic director Barry Collier. "We are not in a position to further elaborate and we ask that everyone respect Brandon's privacy."
Miller, 35, replaced Brad Stevens last season and led Butler to a 14-17 record.
The Bulldogs finished 4-14 in the Big East.
Hoping the best for Brandon Miller.
I said before and i will say it now, allowing butler into the BE was a collossal mistake
Quote from: River rat on October 02, 2014, 10:41:31 PM
I said before and i will say it now, allowing butler into the BE was a collossal mistake
Haha
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 02, 2014, 03:54:14 PM
Come on guy chill out. It's not like he said it seriously, everybody's humor is different not all of us can have your apparently perfect PG sense
Quote from: noblewarrior on October 02, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
Little'murs'Ellensen was referencing a magazine ranking (Lindy's?) that had MU ranked 9th in a preseason Big East prognostication. Butler was ranked ahead of MU. So if Butler under achieved as a result of Miller's leave then MU would benefit by one spot in the rankings. Not sure moving up to 8th from 9th in some erroneous basketball magazine's rankings counts as a 'windfall'. It was a light-hearted response to a serious issue, aimed at a silly ranking, but I guess in this age of 'outrage' bringing a little levity to these situations would be considered 'disgusting'.
Thanks to those of you who caught the drift.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 02, 2014, 01:51:04 PM
More bovine effluent
Quit being so down on us. We have a young talented team and a new coach that will surprise the NCAA when we make it and do well.
I'm not sure how you misread that as "down on us", it was in teal. I dare to think that we will be better than ninth in the conference even without mishaps befalling other teams.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on October 02, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
I was speaking more to someone apparently trying to spin this person's medical hardship as an MU basketball windfall, as if doing it facetiously somehow makes it ok
So you're spinning this as Butler is better off without Brandon Milller?
Not OK.
Quote from: River rat on October 02, 2014, 10:41:31 PM
I said before and i will say it now, allowing butler into the BE was a collossal mistake
So Butler's coach takes a medical leave of absence and that means they don't belong in the BEast?
Quote from: TAMU Ellenson on October 03, 2014, 12:02:04 AM
So Butler's coach takes a medical leave of absence and that means they don't belong in the BEast?
Not in particular, i stand by my statement tho, they will be like depauls redheaded step child. Nothing butler says big east. Butler screams horizon/midmajor
Quote from: River rat on October 03, 2014, 06:00:09 AM
Not in particular, i stand by my statement tho, they will be like depauls redheaded step child. Nothing butler says big east. Butler screams horizon/midmajor
I agree.
Quote from: River rat on October 03, 2014, 06:00:09 AM
Not in particular, i stand by my statement tho, they will be like depauls redheaded step child. Nothing butler says big east. Butler screams horizon/midmajor
That's not a very good sign for you guys then. Don't disagree with the sentiment though.
OK, drop them back to the A-10 (or as it should be known, the Big East's triple A league) and bring up Dayton.
Quote from: tower912 on October 03, 2014, 08:15:19 AM
OK, drop them back to the A-10 (or as it should be known, the Big East's triple A league) and bring up Dayton.
That's what I'm talking about!
Butler was the runner up twice to the NCAA Championship. 4 Sweet 16's in the past 10 years. 12 NCAA Tournament appearances. In comparison, Seton Hall was runner up once, 4 Sweet 16s total (none since 2000) and just 9 NCAA Tournament appearances. DePaul has never been an NCAA runner up, hasn't made a Sweet 16 in nearly 30 years, and hasn't made a tournament in 10 years. Butler is hardly a problem for the Big East.
Butler has an excellent basketball program in a basketball-driven location (and a major media market). They have a terrific list of previous head coaches (Stevens, Matta, Collier). Do they get invited if Brad Stevens leaves before being accepted? Tough call, but I would lean towards yes. Unfortunately, it appears they handed the keys to the brand new Mercedes to a guy that didn't have a driver's license.
Butler will get back to being competitive after this issue with the coach is resolved (i.e. moving on). Regardless of its previous conference affiliation, they have always been a winning program.
Quote from: Irishdawg on October 03, 2014, 07:03:01 AM
That's not a very good sign for you guys then. Don't disagree with the sentiment though.
Thanks for caring, Irish fans are always giddy when they start off 3-0, then comes nevember when they almost perrenially sit at .500 and the academic standards argument bubles up as they cry and tell eveyone the knute rockne and gipper stories and pop in a vhs of "Rudy". get lost Lamer
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on October 03, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
Butler was the runner up twice to the NCAA Championship. 4 Sweet 16's in the past 10 years. 12 NCAA Tournament appearances. In comparison, Seton Hall was runner up once, 4 Sweet 16s total (none since 2000) and just 9 NCAA Tournament appearances. DePaul has never been an NCAA runner up, hasn't made a Sweet 16 in nearly 30 years, and hasn't made a tournament in 10 years. Butler is hardly a problem for the Big East.
Butler has an excellent basketball program in a basketball-driven location (and a major media market). They have a terrific list of previous head coaches (Stevens, Matta, Collier). Do they get invited if Brad Stevens leaves before being accepted? Tough call, but I would lean towards yes. Unfortunately, it appears they handed the keys to the brand new Mercedes to a guy that didn't have a driver's license.
Butler will get back to being competitive after this issue with the coach is resolved (i.e. moving on). Regardless of its previous conference affiliation, they have always been a winning program.
I agree they have been good for the last 10-15 years , no one can argue differently. But let us not forget that historically they have not been any good, historically have been in a low major conference, and historically have been the 4-th to 7th best program in their own state. Sorry but Butler does not drive eyeballs in Indy.
I hope I am wrong but being around it i can tell you they have been an after thought at best in hoops in Indiana for ever, to recruits and everyone else, they caught lightning in a bottle which while considered cute by Hoosiers in no way changed anyones perception of the little D3 type school in Indy. well the once in a lifetime players left and they are right back to where they were before, with no coache and a much higher mountain to climb to even be a .500 conference team.
I am also concerned that like MU 30 years ago theyfeel they can do what they have always donebecuase they were successful that way, which means they are incredibly low budget versus other high major team and run a nice folksy program. It wont work until I see Butler commit tens of millions towards becoming a true powerhouse my mind will not change. And slapping some paint on hinkle does not qualify.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on October 03, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
Butler was the runner up twice to the NCAA Championship. 4 Sweet 16's in the past 10 years. 12 NCAA Tournament appearances. In comparison, Seton Hall was runner up once, 4 Sweet 16s total (none since 2000) and just 9 NCAA Tournament appearances. DePaul has never been an NCAA runner up, hasn't made a Sweet 16 in nearly 30 years, and hasn't made a tournament in 10 years. Butler is hardly a problem for the Big East.
Butler has an excellent basketball program in a basketball-driven location (and a major media market). They have a terrific list of previous head coaches (Stevens, Matta, Collier). Do they get invited if Brad Stevens leaves before being accepted? Tough call, but I would lean towards yes. Unfortunately, it appears they handed the keys to the brand new Mercedes to a guy that didn't have a driver's license.
Butler will get back to being competitive after this issue with the coach is resolved (i.e. moving on). Regardless of its previous conference affiliation, they have always been a winning program.
+1.
Someone's gotta run the basement in order for the best to rise. I know butlers been outstanding this era so far. Better than the three closest things to blue bloods we have. But I see them being like Arkansas in the 90s. A crazy good program for a bit that just doesn't make a real lasting tradition out of it. Unfortunately Stevens leaving probably had a lot to do with that.
Quote from: River rat on October 03, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
I agree they have been good for the last 10-15 years , no one can argue differently. But let us not forget that historically they have not been any good, historically have been in a low major conference, and historically have been the 4-th to 7th best program in their own state. Sorry but Butler does not drive eyeballs in Indy.
I hope I am wrong but being around it i can tell you they have been an after thought at best in hoops in Indiana for ever, to recruits and everyone else, they caught lightning in a bottle which while considered cute by Hoosiers in no way changed anyones perception of the little D3 type school in Indy. well the once in a lifetime players left and they are right back to where they were before, with no coache and a much higher mountain to climb to even be a .500 conference team.
I am also concerned that like MU 30 years ago theyfeel they can do what they have always donebecuase they were successful that way, which means they are incredibly low budget versus other high major team and run a nice folksy program. It wont work until I see Butler commit tens of millions towards becoming a true powerhouse my mind will not change. And slapping some paint on hinkle does not qualify.
Except Butler is still bringing in high major worthy recruits and as Golden Warrior pointed out, has had more success than either Seton Hall or Depaul. Are we kicking them out too? Who do we replace them with? Every major conference has teams that are lagging behind the others. B1G has Rutgers/Penn State/Northwestern, Big 12 has Texas Tech/TCU, SEC has half of its conference, PAC 12 has Oregon State/Washington State, American has its entire conference minus UCONN, Memphis, Temple, and Cincy, ACC has VPI.
Quote from: River rat on October 03, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Thanks for caring, Irish fans are always giddy when they start off 3-0, then comes nevember when they almost perrenially sit at .500 and the academic standards argument bubles up as they cry and tell eveyone the knute rockne and gipper stories and pop in a vhs of "Rudy". get lost Lamer
Yep, Butler fan with an Irish last name, but thanks for the warm welcome.
I actually agree that Butler's attitude does scream small-time compared to Marquette, Nova, Georgetown and what some of the other schools in the Big East have. They've also split the last 4 meetings with Marquette which is why I said it's not a very good sign for you guys when Butler screams mid-major and you split with them. We'll see how this year plays out for both squads. FWIW, I actually do root for Marquette (and all Big East schools) during the non-conference and NCAAs.
Quote from: Irishdawg on October 03, 2014, 12:52:58 PM
Yep, Butler fan with an Irish last name, but thanks for the warm welcome.
I actually agree that Butler's attitude does scream small-time compared to Marquette, Nova, Georgetown and what some of the other schools in the Big East have. They've also split the last 4 meetings with Marquette which is why I said it's not a very good sign for you guys when Butler screams mid-major and you split with them. We'll see how this year plays out for both squads. FWIW, I actually do root for Marquette (and all Big East schools) during the non-conference and NCAAs.
...yet we got the only one that mattered. The last image of Brad Stevens in the NCAA. Until he takes over Dook.
Quote from: Ellenson's World on October 03, 2014, 02:14:53 PM
...yet we got the only one that mattered. The last image of Brad Stevens in the NCAA. Until he takes over Dook.
That Butler-Marquette game was the ONLY time I have ever seen emotion from Brad Stevens. He is always so calm, collected and stoic. If I recall, there was a close charging call in the 2nd half of that game (against Butler), and he was on his knees in a sight of extreme disappointment and disbelief. That game riled me up too. Such a great game.
Quote from: Irishdawg on October 03, 2014, 12:52:58 PM
Yep, Butler fan with an Irish last name, but thanks for the warm welcome.
I actually agree that Butler's attitude does scream small-time compared to Marquette, Nova, Georgetown and what some of the other schools in the Big East have. They've also split the last 4 meetings with Marquette which is why I said it's not a very good sign for you guys when Butler screams mid-major and you split with them. We'll see how this year plays out for both squads. FWIW, I actually do root for Marquette (and all Big East schools) during the non-conference and NCAAs.
I always tell people a 4-game sample size against one opponent is the best way to measure your program's trajectory.
Quote from: Wally Ellenson Schroeder on October 03, 2014, 03:08:35 PM
I always tell people a 4-game sample size against one opponent is the best way to measure your program's trajectory.
That's what I've always heard. It's why were better than Kentucky :)
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on October 03, 2014, 02:22:59 PM
That Butler-Marquette game was the ONLY time I have ever seen emotion from Brad Stevens. He is always so calm, collected and stoic. If I recall, there was a close charging call in the 2nd half of that game (against Butler), and he was on his knees in a sight of extreme disappointment and disbelief. That game riled me up too. Such a great game.
Accurate. Was there. Amazing game. Let's face it, Butler was going to go to the National Title game. There is no stopping Brad Stevens until then in the NCAA Tournament. But we did.
By the way, he was very complimentary of Derrick Wilson after that game in his post game press conference. I believe he mentioned the defense hounding their ball handlers all the way up the court and then specifically mentioned Derrick. And Buzz said after that game that Derrick was the reason we were moving onto the S16. But Buzz is a Derrick lover and so is Brad Stevens.
Quote from: Ellenson's World on October 03, 2014, 04:26:23 PM
Accurate. Was there. Amazing game. Let's face it, Butler was going to go to the National Title game. There is no stopping Brad Stevens until then in the NCAA Tournament. But we did.
By the way, he was very complimentary of Derrick Wilson after that game in his post game press conference. I believe he mentioned the defense hounding their ball handlers all the way up the court and then specifically mentioned Derrick. And Buzz said after that game that Derrick was the reason we were moving onto the S16. But Buzz is a Derrick lover and so is Brad Stevens.
Derrick wilson drafted by the celtics after this year book it!
Quote from: River rat on October 02, 2014, 10:41:31 PM
I said before and i will say it now, allowing butler into the BE was a collossal mistake
Cloudpierecer, who would you have wanted instead?
Quote from: River rat on October 03, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Thanks for caring, Irish fans are always giddy when they start off 3-0, then comes nevember when they almost perrenially sit at .500 and the academic standards argument bubles up as they cry and tell eveyone the knute rockne and gipper stories and pop in a vhs of "Rudy". get lost Lamer
I read this post and note the academic standards reference........painful.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 03, 2014, 08:06:33 PM
Cloudpierecer, who would you have wanted instead?
Are you outing River rat using his Al-given nickname?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on October 03, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
Butler was the runner up twice to the NCAA Championship. 4 Sweet 16's in the past 10 years. 12 NCAA Tournament appearances. In comparison, Seton Hall was runner up once, 4 Sweet 16s total (none since 2000) and just 9 NCAA Tournament appearances. DePaul has never been an NCAA runner up, hasn't made a Sweet 16 in nearly 30 years, and hasn't made a tournament in 10 years. Butler is hardly a problem for the Big East.
Butler has an excellent basketball program in a basketball-driven location (and a major media market). They have a terrific list of previous head coaches (Stevens, Matta, Collier). Do they get invited if Brad Stevens leaves before being accepted? Tough call, but I would lean towards yes. Unfortunately, it appears they handed the keys to the brand new Mercedes to a guy that didn't have a driver's license.
Butler will get back to being competitive after this issue with the coach is resolved (i.e. moving on). Regardless of its previous conference affiliation, they have always been a winning program.
They need to hire Lavall Jordon immediately
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 03, 2014, 08:16:21 PM
Are you outing River rat using his Al-given nickname?
Nah Murray, no know Dudley doesn't acknowledge us hommies, aina?
Quote from: Irishdawg on October 03, 2014, 12:52:58 PM
Yep, Butler fan with an Irish last name, but thanks for the warm welcome.
I actually agree that Butler's attitude does scream small-time compared to Marquette, Nova, Georgetown and what some of the other schools in the Big East have. They've also split the last 4 meetings with Marquette which is why I said it's not a very good sign for you guys when Butler screams mid-major and you split with them. We'll see how this year plays out for both squads. FWIW, I actually do root for Marquette (and all Big East schools) during the non-conference and NCAAs.
You realize u beat MU at home in over time after a collossal collapse in MU's worst season in over a decade , correct? Im happy for u that u split with us last year, if you continue to than MU fans , like Butler fans, will be wondering who our next coach is too
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 03, 2014, 08:28:00 PM
Nah Murray, no know Dudley doesn't acknowledge us hommies, aina?
Doc - what was Dudley's bitch with MU? Guy avoids us like the plague.
Was told he resented the publicity and playing time Al gave the brothers as opposed to a traditional like him. He transferred from Mich. St. and probably was countin' on a startin' role with the Warriors.
Thing is, IMO, we don't beat Kansas State and survive to play another day vs. Wake without JD in 1977.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2014, 12:07:08 PM
Was told he resented the publicity and playing time Al gave the brothers as opposed to a traditional like him. He transferred from Mich. St. and probably was countin' on a startin' role with the Warriors.
Thing is, IMO, we don't beat Kansas State and survive to play another day vs. Wake without JD in 1977.
That was a huge play. Dudley was inconsistent in any event.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2014, 12:07:08 PM
Was told he resented the publicity and playing time Al gave the brothers as opposed to a traditional like him. He transferred from Mich. St. and probably was countin' on a startin' role with the Warriors.
Thing is, IMO, we don't beat Kansas State and survive to play another day vs. Wake without JD in 1977.
He came from a bad situation at MSU. Was an exciting player when he played . Also was a two sport college athlete.
Quote from: TAMU Ellenson on October 03, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
Except Butler is still bringing in high major worthy recruits
How u say... "false" ????
Butler made a questionable hire and is paying for it, but it's bigger than this particular hire. Good luck to them. Ooofta.
Quote from: Nukem2 on October 04, 2014, 12:56:02 PM
That was a huge play. Dudley was inconsistent in any event.
MU vs KSU in Oklahoma City at the Myriad was the first game of that double header. Wake Forest vs Arkansas played after us. Between games Al went off on a tirade about the refs, NCAA, and smoke-filled rooms. Pissed that his team was down 8 at the half and had to bust their collective nuts just to pull out a 1 point win, because of many questionable calls. He insinuated, as only Al could, that the NCAA was out to get him and subsequently MU too. Butch was huge with somethin' like 26.
BTW, Dudley sat next to me for the Wake/Ark. game. As I remember it today, like it was yesterday, he was a nice talkative, young man.
Two days later, BT played outta his coconut. Named Chevrolet Player of the Game. Somehow, Bernard couldn't believe he didn't get a 'vette for his efforts.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2014, 03:42:48 PM
MU vs KSU in Oklahoma City at the Myriad was the first game of that double header. Wake Forest vs Arkansas played after us. Between games Al went off on a tirade about the refs, NCAA, and smoke-filled rooms. Pissed that his team was down 8 at the half and had to bust their collective nuts just to pull out a 1 point win, because of many questionable calls. He insinuated, as only Al could, that the NCAA was out to get him and subsequently MU too. Butch was huge with somethin' like 26.
BTW, Dudley sat next to me for the Wake/Ark. game. As I remember it today, like it was yesterday, he was a nice talkative, young man.
Two days later, BT played outta his coconut. Named Chevrolet Player of the Game. Somehow, Bernard couldn't believe he didn't get a 'vette for his efforts.
Bernard did earn his nickname... Looney Toone.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2014, 03:42:48 PM
MU vs KSU in Oklahoma City at the Myriad was the first game of that double header. Wake Forest vs Arkansas played after us. Between games Al went off on a tirade about the refs, NCAA, and smoke-filled rooms. Pissed that his team was down 8 at the half and had to bust their collective nuts just to pull out a 1 point win, because of many questionable calls. He insinuated, as only Al could, that the NCAA was out to get him and subsequently MU too. Butch was huge with somethin' like 26.
BTW, Dudley sat next to me for the Wake/Ark. game. As I remember it today, like it was yesterday, he was a nice talkative, young man.
Two days later, BT played outta his coconut. Named Chevrolet Player of the Game. Somehow, Bernard couldn't believe he didn't get a 'vette for his efforts.
Dudley did more than pierce clouds while at MU...
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 03, 2014, 08:16:21 PM
Are you outing River rat using his Al-given nickname?
CP is one of about 8 or 9 usernames that he has used here over the years along with Canadian Dimes, Ahoya Ball Scout, Mr. Hayward, Blackswan, etc.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 04, 2014, 05:59:38 PM
CP is one of about 8 or 9 usernames that he has used here over the years along with Canadian Dimes, Ahoya Ball Scout, Mr. Hayward, Blackswan, etc.
Ahhh. HaywardsHeros, too?
Quote from: River rat on October 03, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
I agree they have been good for the last 10-15 years , no one can argue differently. But let us not forget that historically they have not been any good, historically have been in a low major conference, and historically have been the 4-th to 7th best program in their own state. Sorry but Butler does not drive eyeballs in Indy.
I hope I am wrong but being around it i can tell you they have been an after thought at best in hoops in Indiana for ever, to recruits and everyone else, they caught lightning in a bottle which while considered cute by Hoosiers in no way changed anyones perception of the little D3 type school in Indy. well the once in a lifetime players left and they are right back to where they were before, with no coache and a much higher mountain to climb to even be a .500 conference team.
I am also concerned that like MU 30 years ago theyfeel they can do what they have always donebecuase they were successful that way, which means they are incredibly low budget versus other high major team and run a nice folksy program. It wont work until I see Butler commit tens of millions towards becoming a true powerhouse my mind will not change. And slapping some paint on hinkle does not qualify.
10-15 years is a decent base line to work off of. Once they get past this bump in the road they will be fine. I think they will surprise a few people this year. One of their better players is back from injury and the interim coach has a good track record and success turning around a D-1 program. The other thing that needs to be considered is that Butler is actually a popular school to attend. For certain recruits the combination of that and the visibility of the Big East is a nice package.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 04, 2014, 03:18:10 PM
How u say... "false" ????
Butler made a questionable hire and is paying for it, but it's bigger than this particular hire. Good luck to them. Ooofta.
I suppose it depends on your definition of high major worthy. They brought in the #64 class last year. That puts them in the top 20% of recruiting classes, its looking like they will probably end up in about the same place in 2015. I wasn't talking top of the high majors, just enough to be worthy of being a bottom end high major team.
Quote from: TAMU Ellenson on October 04, 2014, 08:00:54 PM
I suppose it depends on your definition of high major worthy. They brought in the #64 class last year. That puts them in the top 20% of recruiting classes, its looking like they will probably end up in about the same place in 2015. I wasn't talking top of the high majors, just enough to be worthy of being a bottom end high major team.
This well written article also points out that they are picking up a McDonalds All American as a transfer from North Carolina State.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/butler-opens-practice-heading-into-unchartered-coaching-waters-100314
Quote from: River rat on October 02, 2014, 10:41:31 PM
I said before and i will say it now, allowing butler into the BE was a collossal mistake
just makes me laugh.....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 09, 2015, 12:08:14 AM
just makes me laugh.....
Wouldn't the Zags look great in the BE right about now
Quote from: keefe on February 09, 2015, 02:46:38 AM
Wouldn't the Zags look great in the BE right about now
Yes, definitely.
Too bad Spokane is as we say here in New England, "Can't get there from here."
Whoever said Butler has a low budget must not have seen the bleachers rip out and new chairback seats with more room for their fans to sit. Plus, a brand new scoreboard.
Quote from: keefe on February 09, 2015, 02:46:38 AM
Wouldn't the Zags look great in the BE right about now
Nope.
They look overrated again this year....and the travel and expense not worth it. If they relocate their campus to Minnesota, I'm all in.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 09, 2015, 09:26:18 AM
Nope.
They look overrated again this year....and the travel and expense not worth it. If they relocate their campus to Minnesota, I'm all in.
I agree overrated. Zags are going to get sent home early as a high seed, which is pretty much their MO at this point. Can't beat a higher seed, often upset by a lower seed.