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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JD on September 24, 2014, 03:53:07 PM
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Recently I was wearing an MU shirt at the local gas station, and this 30 something year old guy proceeds to say "Marquette isn't bad, but the badgers are better". Pretty bland statement. Better at hockey, yeah. basketball, negative.
My question is this. Would you give up two sweet 16s and an elite 8 for a final 4 run like the badgers had?
My answer, no.
(By the way, I chuckled and said "if you're referring to basketball, talk to me when you win a championship post world war 2 era")
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Recently I was wearing an MU shirt at the local gas station, and this 30 something year old guy proceeds to say "Marquette isn't bad, but the badgers are better". Pretty bland statement. Better at hockey, yeah. basketball, negative.
My question is this. Would you give up two sweet 16s and an elite 8 for a final 4 run like the badgers had?
My answer, no.
(By the way, I chuckled and said "if you're referring to basketball, talk to me when you win a championship post world war 2 era")
Yes, I would make that trade.
But UW fans didn't have to choose:
Year MU UW
2011 S16 S16
2012 S16 S16
2013 E8 Round of 64
2014 - F4
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I forgot they made 2 sweet 16's as well. Good call.
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Honestly at this juncture UW BBall is better. In this century they've been to every NCAA tournament 4 sweet 16s, an elite 8, and a couple final fours.
Meanwhile we've got 10, 2 sweet 16s, an elite 8 and a final four, plus a couple NIT appearances.
We've certainly earned better than "not bad" but it'd be hard to debate UW is less than us at this moment unless you want to talk about nba players.
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"Marquette isn't bad, but the badgers are better"
Wasn't he correct? Hell, I think it's nice that (after last year), he didn't call us "bad."
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Wasn't he correct? Hell, I think it's nice that (after last year), he didn't call us "bad."
Give it two seasons. The world will be righted again
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F4>>>>>>>>>E8.
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Hypothetically, let's talk as though both schools didn't both go the sweet 16 two years in a row. I would still take a final four, the other two years could be no post season and I think I would still be happy, at least long term. I realize the UW fan was probably pumping your gas, but you should avoid getting into confrontations at the gas station...nah what am I saying, next time wash his mouth out with diesel.
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Good call hoss.
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Recently I was wearing an MU shirt at the local gas station, and this 30 something year old guy proceeds to say "Marquette isn't bad, but the badgers are better". Pretty bland statement. Better at hockey, yeah. basketball, negative.
My question is this. Would you give up two sweet 16s and an elite 8 for a final 4 run like the badgers had?
My answer, no.
(By the way, I chuckled and said "if you're referring to basketball, talk to me when you win a championship post world war 2 era")
Since 2000, they have been the better program. We're close, but they have been better. More conference titles, more NCAA appearances, more conference tournament appearances, more wins, more head to head wins, more NCAA tournament wins, etc, etc, etc
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As any Badger fan can tell you, college athletics began in 1991.
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Since 2000, they have been the better program. We're close, but they have been better. More conference titles, more NCAA appearances, more conference tournament appearances, more wins, more head to head wins, more NCAA tournament wins, etc, etc, etc
Agreed. As tough as it is to admit. There was a brief period where we could claim we were better in a much more recent timeframe (2010-2013) but that has obviously been out-done by this past year.
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The Badgers didn't chit the bed or pee down their collective legs when reachin' the Final Four, hey?
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The Badgers didn't chit the bed or pee down their collective legs when reachin' the Final Four, hey?
Gasser is still closing out the shooter.
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I would certainly trade the runs we made for one Final Four.
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You know whats upsetting about this whole situation is that almost every other schools in the country would take our run of success since 2000 and unfortunately one of the only schools we hate has done better.
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Agreed. As tough as it is to admit. There was a brief period where we could claim we were better in a much more recent timeframe (2010-2013) but that has obviously been out-done by this past year.
The irony is that whenever I stated this the last few years, there were about the same 9 clowns here that got so bent a$$ backwards they were frothing at the mouth.....despite it being 100% accurate.
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Since 2000, they have been the better program. We're close, but they have been better. More conference titles, more NCAA appearances, more conference tournament appearances, more wins, more head to head wins, more NCAA tournament wins, etc, etc, etc
Everyone complains that Bo's style of basketball is boring. He brings in players, 4 stars or not that can play his system and they win. I hope Wojo can do the same. We will know what style of basketball he'll play in short order.
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The irony is that whenever I stated this the last few years, there were about the same 9 clowns here that got so bent a$$ backwards they were frothing at the mouth.....despite it being 100% accurate.
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Everyone complains that Bo's style of basketball is boring. He brings in players, 4 stars or not that can play his system and they win. I hope Wojo can do the same. We will know what style of basketball he'll play in short order.
I hope wojo does that but gets to the top a bit quicker than Bo...
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The irony is that whenever I stated this the last few years, there were about the same 9 clowns here that got so bent a$$ backwards they were frothing at the mouth.....despite it being 100% accurate.
Someone tell Chicos he can't read. Warrior in DC specifically said "out-done by this past year."
Chicos was saying that *before* this past year. Big difference.
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Someone tell Chicos he can't read. Warrior in DC specifically said "out-done by this past year."
Chicos was saying that *before* this past year. Big difference.
Yes, this is what I meant by it. I was definitely in the crowd that we had better recent success than Bucky during the S16-S16-E8 runs. But now that last year happened, can now longer say that.
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Everyone complains that Bo's style of basketball is boring. He brings in players, 4 stars or not that can play his system and they win. I hope Wojo can do the same. We will know what style of basketball he'll play in short order.
I used to think his style was boring, but they were scoring at a pretty good clip last year. Many ways to skin the cat in basketball. My concern for a number of years, and that includes with Crean, is that we tried to often to "out athlete" people. It can work to an extent, but I want solid fundamental basketball players as well. Now, usually this leads to some goofball here saying I want only "traditional" players that can't run, jump, etc. Not the case at all. I want kids that basketball players with athleticism, not necessarily athletes that play basketball. There is a difference. In my view it is one of the reasons why in some years we have struggled to shoot the ball effectively, because some of these athletes got by for so long without learning the fundamentals of the game, like how to shoot the ball, set a screen, play position defense, etc. They were able to out jump someone, be quicker, etc and not grounded.
It's not impossible or even unheard of to bring in kids that are both athletic and fundamentally sound. I will take that on most occasions over the super freakish athlete that doesn't understand how to play.
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The irony is that whenever I stated this the last few years, there were about the same 9 clowns here that got so bent a$$ backwards they were frothing at the mouth.....despite it being 100% accurate.
So the real irony is that whenever you stated this in the last few years (prior to last year) the 9 clowns that got bent a$$ backwards and frothed at the mouth were right and you were 100% inaccurate. And that those 9 clowns wouldn't argue that last year changed the equation yet again. Got it.
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As any Badger fan can tell you, college athletics began in 1991.
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That's definitely what they believe.
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So the real irony is that whenever you stated this in the last few years (prior to last year) the 9 clowns that got bent a$$ backwards and frothed at the mouth were right and you were 100% inaccurate. And that those 9 clowns wouldn't argue that last year changed the equation yet again. Got it.
Except, even without last year, UW has been better since 2000.
2000-2013:
MU: 10 appearances, 4 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 6 wins over Bucky
UW: 14 appearances, 6 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 8 wins over MU
I hate saying it, but it's true. Of course we have a miles better program pre 2000. But since 2000...Chicos is right.
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Well, I guess it depends if you count the 1999-2000 season. Because than the numbers look like this:
MU: 10 appearances, 4 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 6 wins over Bucky
UW: 13 appearances, 5 sweet 16s, 1 elite 8, 0 final fours, 7 wins over MU.
So it depends on your definition of "since 2000."
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My concern for a number of years, and that includes with Crean, is that we tried to often to "out athlete" people. It can work to an extent, but I want solid fundamental basketball players as well. ... I want kids that basketball players with athleticism, not necessarily athletes that play basketball. There is a difference.
It's not impossible or even unheard of to bring in kids that are both athletic and fundamentally sound. I will take that on most occasions over the super freakish athlete that doesn't understand how to play.
This, though obviously good basketball players that are athletic aren't always easy to get.
The other thing is, if you are going to try to straight out-athlete your opponent, some of that athleticism has to be big, and our most athletic teams were small.
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As any Badger fan can tell you, college athletics began in 1991.
Yup, well aside from hockey, but certainly on the bball and pigskin side. Of course, that's now 25 years ago. As long as they keep scheduling trash for football and piss down their leg each year in that sport, it will be fun to watch. On the hoops side, they are a legitimate player and have been for well over a decade. Best program in the state since 2000, as much as people hate to hear that. The good new is that we've been very close and a helluva a program during the same stretch.
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Except, even without last year, UW has been better since 2000.
2000-2013:
MU: 10 appearances, 4 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 6 wins over Bucky
UW: 14 appearances, 6 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 8 wins over MU
I hate saying it, but it's true. Of course we have a miles better program pre 2000. But since 2000...Chicos is right.
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Well, I guess it depends if you count the 1999-2000 season. Because than the numbers look like this:
MU: 10 appearances, 4 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 6 wins over Bucky
UW: 13 appearances, 5 sweet 16s, 1 elite 8, 0 final fours, 7 wins over MU.
So it depends on your definition of "since 2000."
Nobody said UW wasn't better than us from 2000-13 or 2000-14. The point was that during the Buzz years ( I think the guy used 2010-13 but not including last year) MU was better.
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It's all history.
What's going to happen this year and are we getting Ellenson?
If we are, we'll be great! If Wojo is what we hope he is, it's Al time again!
Goodbye Bucky! Enjoy it while you can.
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Yup, well aside from hockey, but certainly on the bball and pigskin side. Of course, that's now 25 years ago. As long as they keep scheduling trash for football and piss down their leg each year in that sport, it will be fun to watch. On the hoops side, they are a legitimate player and have been for well over a decade. Best program in the state since 2000, as much as people hate to hear that. The good new is that we've been very close and a helluva a program during the same stretch.
Seconded. It's like I said just because they were better doesn't mean that our resume in that stretch isn't one 95% of the basketball schools wouldn't kill for.
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So the real irony is that whenever you stated this in the last few years (prior to last year) the 9 clowns that got bent a$$ backwards and frothed at the mouth were right and you were 100% inaccurate. And that those 9 clowns wouldn't argue that last year changed the equation yet again. Got it.
Uhm, no...you were wrong then and wrong now. Since 2000, UW-madison has had a better program, even when stated a few years ago.
I'm sure an apology or even an admission of being wrong is coming, but I doubt it.
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Except, even without last year, UW has been better since 2000.
2000-2013:
MU: 10 appearances, 4 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 6 wins over Bucky
UW: 14 appearances, 6 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 8 wins over MU
I hate saying it, but it's true. Of course we have a miles better program pre 2000. But since 2000...Chicos is right.
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Well, I guess it depends if you count the 1999-2000 season. Because than the numbers look like this:
MU: 10 appearances, 4 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 6 wins over Bucky
UW: 13 appearances, 5 sweet 16s, 1 elite 8, 0 final fours, 7 wins over MU.
So it depends on your definition of "since 2000."
I would think that everyone would say since 2000, means starting with the 2000-2001 season. In which case MU was the better team from 2000-2013.
And if you look at it Post Bo Ryan you have:
MU: 10 appearances, 4 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, 1 final four, 6 wins over Bucky
UW: 13 appearances, 5 sweet 16s, 1 elite 8, 1 final fours, 8 wins over MU.
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Nobody said UW wasn't better than us from 2000-13 or 2000-14. The point was that during the Buzz years ( I think the guy used 2010-13 but not including last year) MU was better.
Actually a number of people said UW was not better than us from 2000-13. They were silly, but facts be damned.
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Actually a number of people said UW was not better than us from 2000-13. They were silly, but facts be damned.
Classic Chicos victim card!
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Nevermind, not worth it.
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Is there anyway to have an ignored user's comments not show up when the user is quoted? I wish there was a total ignore feature, not interested in seeing petulant nonsense.
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Is there anyway to have an ignored user's comments not show up when the user is quoted? I wish there was a total ignore feature, not interested in seeing petulant nonsense.
Scout.com
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Scout.com
That was good.
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Nah. Right on cue though, thanks for proving my point.