Wojo's solid start in recruiting (great start if Ellenson commits, and I think he will), and talk about status of the Big East got me thinking how does the conference compare nationally. We've got one class done, and another class well underway to compare to. I went to ESPN as my source for the Top 100 breakdown by conference and here it is-
2014
ACC- 20
SEC- 14
Big East- 13
Big 10- 13
Pac 12- 13
Big 12- 7
M. West- 7
AAC- 4
A10- 4
WCC- 3
C-USA- 1
M. Valley- 1
2015 (55 of top 100 committed)
ACC- 14
SEC- 10
Big 10- 10
Pac 12- 10
Big East- 5
AAC- 3
A-10- 1
Big 12- 1 (ouch!!)
M West- 1
Very good showing in 2014. Decent start this year and a long way to go for the 10 BE schools to reel in some more. (like Ellenson!)
I remain very bullish on this conference. Will it be elite year in and year out like the old 16 team BE? Doubtful. Will it be a solid top 4-5 conference annually, and maybe now and then sneak up to one of the top two spots? I think so. Although I really think the conference will need to get to 12 to challenge the likes of ACC, Big 10, Pac 12, or whomever is at the top any given year. (debate for another day which two would help get us there).
I thought this conference couldn't recruit with the big boys and was no longer relevant...
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on September 06, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
I thought this conference couldn't recruit with the big boys and was no longer relevant...
I know that's the obit written by Badger fans.
If you look at those ACC and SEC numbers, you'll see they are all going to the same schools. The Big East spreads the loves between all of its teams (except Butler and Depaul). North Carolina, Duke, Florida, and Kentucky make up about half of the SEC and ACC's top 100 commits.
Also, you may want to delay this. A new ESPN ranking is coming out next week.
It's even more impressive if you break it down relative to the number of teams in the Big East compared to the other conferences. In 2014 I believe the ACC only edges us out with 1.33 per team to our 1.3.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 06, 2014, 01:42:23 PM
If you look at those ACC and SEC numbers, you'll see they are all going to the same schools. The Big East spreads the loves between all of its teams (except Butler and Depaul). North Carolina, Duke, Florida, and Kentucky make up about half of the SEC and ACC's top 100 commits.
Also, you may want to delay this. A new ESPN ranking is coming out next week.
Hopefully with Heldt cracking the Top 100.
This is great, it might be more accurate if you divided the number of top 100 recruits by the nuber of teams in the conference. We only have 10 teams and the ACC is 15. Wojo and co are doing a nice job!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 06, 2014, 01:42:23 PM
If you look at those ACC and SEC numbers, you'll see they are all going to the same schools. The Big East spreads the loves between all of its teams (except Butler and Depaul). North Carolina, Duke, Florida, and Kentucky make up about half of the SEC and ACC's top 100 commits.
Also, you may want to delay this. A new ESPN ranking is coming out next week.
What kind of calendar schedule are they updated? Or do they just announce when they're going to do it?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 06, 2014, 01:42:23 PM
If you look at those ACC and SEC numbers, you'll see they are all going to the same schools. The Big East spreads the loves between all of its teams (except Butler and Depaul). North Carolina, Duke, Florida, and Kentucky make up about half of the SEC and ACC's top 100 commits.
Also, you may want to delay this. A new ESPN ranking is coming out next week.
True with the SEC, Kentucky and Florida dominate. In the ACC, Duke dominates the top players of course, but then it's spread around pretty well actually, I saw a lot of different schools represented.
Interestingly, of the 10 BE schools, Butler is the only one who's been shutout of the top 100, and that goes back to at least 2013's class. So two full classes and nothing so far in 2015 for them either.
ACC is going to be a step above other conferences as far as recruting is concerned. Duke and NC will always be monsters and now they have added Syracuse and Lousiville..2 other elite level schools.
Florida State is having a great recruiting year..Virginia, Pitt and ND will be solid.
Quote from: MuMark on September 06, 2014, 02:31:07 PM
ACC is going to be a step above other conferences as far as recruting is concerned. Duke and NC will always be monsters and now they have added Syracuse and Lousiville..2 other elite level schools.
Florida State is having a great recruiting year..Virginia, Pitt and ND will be solid.
And virginia tech!
In terms of total Top 100 recruits and recruits/school, the BE did phenomenal with the 2014 class and is off to a fast start with 2015 recruits. However, it should be pointed out that Seton Hall's commitment from Isiah Whitehead (#14) is the BE's only 2014 Top 30 recruit, and the BE has only 5 of the Top 50, so more bottom heavy. Early 2015 is indicative of more of the same - Georgetown (#47) and MU (#49 - Noskowiak) are the only Top 50 for the BE. Hopefully Ellenson bucks the trend. Still quite impressive, but those top 20-30 5-star recruits have primarily stuck with Power 5 schools.
Quote from: Wally Schroeder on September 06, 2014, 02:56:24 PM
In terms of total Top 100 recruits and recruits/school, the BE did phenomenal with the 2014 class and is off to a fast start with 2015 recruits. However, it should be pointed out that Seton Hall's commitment from Isiah Whitehead (#14) is the BE's only 2014 Top 30 recruit, and the BE has only 5 of the Top 50, so more bottom heavy. Early 2015 is indicative of more of the same - Georgetown (#47) and MU (#49 - Noskowiak) are the only Top 50 for the BE. Hopefully Ellenson bucks the trend. Still quite impressive, but those top 20-30 5-star recruits have primarily stuck with Power 5 schools.
Copeland is 17 on espn and he's going to GTown this year.
Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 06, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
Copeland is 17 on espn and he's going to GTown this year.
Excellent - I missed him. That's 2 5-stars and 6 Top-50's in 2014. Better.
For those curious about the school breakdown in 2014:
ACC
Duke: #1, #4, #15, #21
North Carolina: #8, #10, #17
Louisville: #33, #40, #75, #99
Syracuse: #24, #50
NC State: #32, #62, #91
Virginia Tech: #54, #70
Miami: #58
Georgia Tech: #74
8 Teams with 0
Average per team: 1.33
Big East:
Georgetown: #16, #31, #34
Seton Hall: #14, #48
Xavier: #46, #78
Providence: #61, #84
Villanova: #82, #92
Creighton: #71
Marquette: #83
3 teams with 0
Average per team: 1.3
PAC 12
Arizona: #7, #37, #57
UCLA: #12, #36, #69
Stanford: #27, #65
USC: #42, #94
Oregon: #40
Utah: #49
Colorado: #85
5 Teams with 0
Average per team: 1.08
SEC:
Kentucky: #6, #9, #18, #25
Florida: #23, #35, #45
Missouri: #53
LSU: #60
Texas A&M: #63
Alabama: #76, #93
Auburn: #68
Arkansas: #90
Vanderbilt: #96
5 teams with 0
Average per team: 1.07
Big 10:
Ohio State: #13, #22, #28
Indiana: #20, #47
Maryland: #29, #52
Michigan: #38
Illinois: #44
Northwestern: #66
Michigan State: #73
Purdue: #87, #89
6 Teams with 0
Average per team: .93
MWC:
UNLV: #19, #26, #39
SDSU: #55, #81, #88
Boise State: #80
8 teams with 0
Average per team: .64
Big 12
Kansas: #3, #11
Texas: #2, #86
Oklahoma State: #59
Oklahoma: #72
6 teams with 0
Average per team: .60
WCC:
BYU: #51, #95
Gonzaga: #56
8 teams with 0
Average per team: .30
A10:
VCU: #43, #77, #97
Rhode Island: #79
12 teams with 0
Average per team: .29
AAC
UConn: #30
Memphis: #67
Cincy: #100
8 Teams with 0
Average per team: .27
MVC:
Bradley: #98
9 teams with 0
Average per team: .10
C-USA:
UAB: #63
13 teams with 0
Average per team: .07
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 06, 2014, 02:11:31 PM
What kind of calendar schedule are they updated? Or do they just announce when they're going to do it?
They mentioned it in the article about Henry picking Noskowiak as the player he wants to team up with. That's the only reason I know
Wow at UNLV, impressive
Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 06, 2014, 05:16:51 PM
Wow at UNLV, impressive
Yeah, that's what I said too as I was going through it. I had no idea they pulled a coup like that.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 06, 2014, 05:18:34 PM
Yeah, that's what I said too as I was going through it. I had no idea they pulled a coup like that.
Yeh looks like the MWC is rising as well.
That's because everything STAYS in Vegas
Thanks Hutch and TAMU for pulling this information together. Now that we have a benchmark, let's see how the rest of 2015 shakes out. Wonder how many in this year's top 20 are seriously looking at Big East schools?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 06, 2014, 01:28:08 PM
Wojo's solid start in recruiting (great start if Ellenson commits, and I think he will), and talk about status of the Big East got me thinking how does the conference compare nationally. We've got one class done, and another class well underway to compare to. I went to ESPN as my source for the Top 100 breakdown by conference and here it is-
2014
ACC- 20
SEC- 14
Big East- 13
Big 10- 13
Pac 12- 13
Big 12- 7
M. West- 7
AAC- 4
A10- 4
WCC- 3
C-USA- 1
M. Valley- 1
2015 (55 of top 100 committed)
ACC- 14
SEC- 10
Big 10- 10
Pac 12- 10
Big East- 5
AAC- 3
A-10- 1
Big 12- 1 (ouch!!)
M West- 1
Very good showing in 2014. Decent start this year and a long way to go for the 10 BE schools to reel in some more. (like Ellenson!)
I remain very bullish on this conference. Will it be elite year in and year out like the old 16 team BE? Doubtful. Will it be a solid top 4-5 conference annually, and maybe now and then sneak up to one of the top two spots? I think so. Although I really think the conference will need to get to 12 to challenge the likes of ACC, Big 10, Pac 12, or whomever is at the top any given year. (debate for another day which two would help get us there).
This was a helpful analysis. I am also bullish on this conference. I think the conference configuration is ripe for developing rivalries. At the end of the day we have a lot of desirable schools in the conference and that will keep us in the vanguard for a long time. Yes there are a handful of schools in the other conferences that will always be able to grab top 100 players if they want. However when you get more granular our top schools will continue to be more attractive than the middle or lower level schools in those conferences. For example what is more attractive Georgetown or Maryland? Villanova or Penn State? Marquette or Illinois? Would you rather play in front of 17,000 every night at Creighton or 5,000 at Northwestern?
Quote from: Texas Western on September 06, 2014, 06:18:32 PM
This was a helpful analysis. I am also bullish on this conference. I think the conference configuration is ripe for developing rivalries. At the end of the day we have a lot of desirable schools in the conference and that will keep us in the vanguard for a long time. Yes there are a handful of schools in the other conferences that will always be able to grab top 100 players if they want. However when you get more granular our top schools will continue to be more attractive than the middle or lower level schools in those conferences. For example what is more attractive Georgetown or Maryland? Villanova or Penn State? Marquette or Illinois? Would you rather play in front of 17,000 every night at Creighton or 5,000 at Northwestern?
With creihtons 17k per game you wonder why they can't get better recruits.
Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 06, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
With creihtons 17k per game you wonder why they can't get better recruits.
I think now that they are in the Big East that will start to happen with more frequency. They have been in the conversation with a lot of quality recruits this year.
Here's the 2015 breakdown with the updated ESPN 100
Pac 12
Arizona: #17, #24, #27
Washington: #46, #52
UCLA: #45, #84
USC: #50, #82
Oregon State: #68, #76
Oregon: #83
6 teams with 0
Average per team: 1
ACC:
Louisville: #14, #29, #37, #51
Syracuse: #19, #47, #48, #73
Duke: #9, #26
Florida State: #30, #38, #81
Pittsburgh: #72
10 teams with 0
Average per team: .93
SEC:
LSU: #1
Texas A&M: #20, #34
Florida: #41, #53, #75
Auburn: #54, #66
Kentucky: #43
Arkansas: #67
Alabama: #77
7 teams with 0
Average per team: .79
Big 10
Michigan State: #15
Ohio State: #44, #60, #71
Illinois: #49
Rutgers: #55
Penn State: #80, #88
Nebraska: #65
8 teams with 0
Average per team: .64
Big East:
Villanova: #23
Marquette: #69, #79
Georgetown: #58
Providence: #89
6 teams with 0
Average per team: .50
Big 12:
West Virginia: #42
Baylor: #87
8 teams with 0
Average per team: .20
AAC:
UConn: #25
Memphis: #39
9 teams with 0
Average per team: .18
MWC:
San Diego State: #56
10 teams with 0
Average per team: .09
A10:
VCU: #78
13 teams with 0
Average per team: .07
Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 06, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
With creihtons 17k per game you wonder why they can't get better recruits.
Umm the MVC maybe?
Scholarship availability is kinda, sorta an important factor that's being ignored.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on September 06, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
I thought this conference couldn't recruit with the big boys and was no longer relevant...
There's a difference between being able to recruit top 100 players, and being able to consistently compete with the top teams from the premier conferences. The Big East is by no means irrelevant, but to put it on the same level as the ACC, B1G, or PAC is just silly. Especially coming off of a year where there were 0 Big East teams in the Sweet 16.
Quote from: rjay.stephen on September 08, 2014, 01:39:29 PM
There's a difference between being able to recruit top 100 players, and being able to consistently compete with the top teams from the premier conferences. The Big East is by no means irrelevant, but to put it on the same level as the ACC, B1G, or PAC is just silly. Especially coming off of a year where there were 0 Big East teams in the Sweet 16.
Good point. Though I do seem to recall 7-9 Georgetown beating Michigan State last season and an awful MU team being within 3 at Madison with 1 minute to go. Also recall MU beating UW Madison a couple of years in a row and going to 3 straight Sweet 16s with just as much if not less than current Top 100 recruits. Big East will be just fine. PAC 10 has no business beig mentioned as a good basketball league.
Quote from: Ners on September 08, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
Good point. Though I do seem to recall 7-9 Georgetown beating Michigan State last season and an awful MU team being within 3 at Madison with 1 minute to go. Also recall MU beating UW Madison a couple of years in a row and going to 3 straight Sweet 16s with just as much if not less than current Top 100 recruits. Big East will be just fine. PAC 10 has no business beig mentioned as a good basketball league.
This, they were horrendous for a long period of time. Oregon doesn't look to be moving up. UCLA will probably be good but not elite under Alford. Arizona is great, and Washington looks to be improving. But that's really it. Maybe Stanford returns to being good again? I don't think they're better than the SEC.
Put the Big 12 in there? Sure. They've been pretty deep for 3-4 years now.
Quote from: Ners on September 08, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
Good point. Though I do seem to recall 7-9 Georgetown beating Michigan State last season and an awful MU team being within 3 at Madison with 1 minute to go. Also recall MU beating UW Madison a couple of years in a row and going to 3 straight Sweet 16s with just as much if not less than current Top 100 recruits. Big East will be just fine. PAC 10 has no business beig mentioned as a good basketball league.
Another big win for the conference was Nova beating Kansas
Brunson to Villanova. Big get for them. Will be fun to watch him, but hopefully lose to Marquette though.
Huge get for Nova and the conference. Partner that with hopefully Ellenson to MU and that would be two big-time "gets" over blue-blood schools. Would love to see it happen. Brunson is the real deal; outstanding player.
Quote from: StillWarriors on September 10, 2014, 04:51:04 PM
Huge get for Nova and the conference. Partner that with hopefully Ellenson to MU and that would be two big-time "gets" over blue-blood schools. Would love to see it happen. Brunson is the real deal; outstanding player.
And St John's is the favorite for Isiah Briscoe. Would be 3 consensus top 20 recruits
If anyone is curious here is what the breakdown of ESPN 100 recruits by conference if all the current crystal ball predictions held. There is less than 1% chance of that happening but thought it would be fun to see where we currently stand.
SEC: 20
ACC: 19
Big 10: 18
Pac 12: 12
Big East: 10
Big 12: 9
AAC: 9
MWC: 2
A10: 1
SEC is setting itself up for a monster year it seems...and not even because of Kentucky. LSU has the #2 player, TAMU has two top 25, Florida has three locked up, and Auburn has two.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 10, 2014, 08:10:54 PM
If anyone is curious here is what the breakdown of ESPN 100 recruits by conference if all the current crystal ball predictions held. There is less than 1% chance of that happening but thought it would be fun to see where we currently stand.
SEC: 20
ACC: 19
Big 10: 18
Pac 12: 12
Big East: 10
Big 12: 9
AAC: 9
MWC: 2
A10: 1
SEC is setting itself up for a monster year it seems...and not even because of Kentucky. LSU has the #2 player, TAMU has two top 25, Florida has three locked up, and Auburn has two.
What would it look like if you did it by # of teams per confrence.
Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 10, 2014, 08:15:33 PM
What would it look like if you did it by # of teams per confrence.
Not much different. Only ACC and B1G switch places. It also breaks the tie between the AAC and Big 12 and creates a tie between the BEast and PAC 12.
SEC: 1.40
B1G: 1.29
ACC: 1.27
PAC 12: 1.00
BEast: 1.00
Big 12: 0.90
AAC: 0.81
MWC: 0.18
A10: 0.07
Here's the 2015 breakdown with the updated ESPN 100
Pac 12
Arizona: #17, #24, #27
Washington: #46, #52
UCLA: #45, #84
USC: #50, #82
Oregon State: #68, #76
Oregon: #83
6 teams with 0
Average per team: 1
ACC:
Louisville: #14, #29, #37, #51
Syracuse: #19, #47, #48, #73
Duke: #9, #26
Florida State: #30, #38, #81
Pittsburgh: #72
10 teams with 0
Average per team: .93
SEC:
LSU: #1
Texas A&M: #20, #34
Florida: #41, #53, #75
Auburn: #54, #66
Kentucky: #43
Arkansas: #67
Alabama: #77
7 teams with 0
Average per team: .79
Big 10
Michigan State: #15
Ohio State: #44, #60, #71
Illinois: #49
Rutgers: #55
Penn State: #80, #88
Nebraska: #65
8 teams with 0
Average per team: .64
Big East:
Villanova: #23
Marquette: #69, #79
Georgetown: #58
Providence: #89
6 teams with 0
Average per team: .50
Big 12:
West Virginia: #42
Baylor: #87
8 teams with 0
Average per team: .20
AAC:
UConn: #25
Memphis: #39
9 teams with 0
Average per team: .18
MWC:
San Diego State: #56
10 teams with 0
Average per team: .09
A10:
VCU: #78
13 teams with 0
Average per team: .07
Updated results if all crystal balls hold true with new ESPN 100
First number is with crystal ball predictions. (2nd number is current commits)
SEC: 21 (11)
ACC: 18 (14)
B1G: 15 (9)
P12: 14 (12)
BE: 11 (5)
AAC: 10 (2)
B12: 8 (2)
MWC: 2 (1)
A10: 1 (1)
If you do it by # per team in conference you get:
SEC: 1.50
ACC: 1.28
P12: 1.17
BE: 1.10
B1G: 1.07
AAC: 0.91
B12: 0.80
MWC: 0.18
A10: 0.07
Thanks TAMU
If current crystal balls hold true, here is the average rank of top 100 recruits for each conference.
MWC: 33.0 (2)
ACC: 40.6 (18)
SEC: 45.0 (21)
B12: 49.6 (8)
AAC: 50.3 (10)
P12: 53.9 (14)
B1G: 59.5 (15)
BE: 62.3 (11)
A10: 78.0 (1)
This is a little more concerning. We are getting a solid amount of top 100 recruits but they are mostly at the bottom half of the top 100. Obviously it's still early. The rankings will get updated again and crystal balls are not very accurate. Still fun to look at.
I think since the Lebron high school class the odds of a player that had a top 5 high school ranking of being drafted are more than 95%.
The percentage of a player being drafted that was ranked between 30-50 is around 17%.
For players ranked between 51-80 it's around 15%.
Once you get past the 5-star recruits there really isn't a difference between the odds of a # 40 blossoming in an NBA talent vs a player ranked # 70 reaching that same level.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on September 12, 2014, 02:40:39 PM
I think since the Lebron high school class the odds of a player that had a top 5 high school ranking of being drafted are more than 95%.
The percentage of a player being drafted that was ranked between 30-50 is around 17%.
For players ranked between 51-80 it's around 15%.
Once you get past the 5-star recruits there really isn't a difference between the odds of a # 40 blossoming in an NBA talent vs a player ranked # 70 reaching that same level.
Im curious to know who the 5% were that didnt get drafted.
Samardo Samuels
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on September 12, 2014, 02:40:39 PM
I think since the Lebron high school class the odds of a player that had a top 5 high school ranking of being drafted are more than 95%.
The percentage of a player being drafted that was ranked between 30-50 is around 17%.
For players ranked between 51-80 it's around 15%.
Once you get past the 5-star recruits there really isn't a difference between the odds of a # 40 blossoming in an NBA talent vs a player ranked # 70 reaching that same level.
The 51-80 probally is the guys in the 50s 60s. Do 70-100