I mentioned in another thread that I feel as if Bo Ryan has turned into a bit of a prick during his time at UW. I readily admit that I don't have a bunch of history with him, primarily just having a few beers at the UNO Annex with him, as he is friends with one of my great friends. But from the outside it seems as if he has become a little full of himself after his outstanding run at UW. Am I off base with this opinion? Also, if you don't mind, what was his relationship with his players like at Platteville?
Quote from: Black Swan on July 15, 2014, 04:57:03 PM
I mentioned in another thread that I feel as if Bo Ryan has turned into a bit of a prick during his time at UW. I readily admit that I don't have a bunch of history with him, primarily just having a few beers at the UNO Annex with him, as he is friends with one of my great friends. But from the outside it seems as if he has become a little full of himself after his outstanding run at UW. Am I off base with this opinion? Also, if you don't mind, what was his relationship with his players like at Platteville?
If this is a question for one specific person, why not use a PM?
Maybe I should have and if he isn't comfortable answering I understand. I just thought that Bo is not liked by many MU fans and perhaps the insight of someone that has a background with him would be of interest. I was one that always thought highly of him as a guy but have felt differently over the last number of years. I don't care for the way he handles the press, particularly young reporters and he just seems different. Sorry if this isn't the right format.
Bob Lackey
This is an entirely appropriate venue to discuss the personality of Bo Ryan. In lieu of hoops12 responding let me confirm your worst suspicions and state unequivocally that, yes, Bo Ryan is indeed a prick. And as you state, he has become very full of himself. Very full of himself, indeed.
Quote from: keefe on July 15, 2014, 05:23:38 PM
Bob Lackey
This is an entirely appropriate venue to discuss the personality of Bo Ryan. In lieu of hoops12 responding let me confirm your worst suspicions and state unequivocally that, yes, Bo Ryan is indeed a prick. And as you state, he has become very full of himself. Very full of himself, indeed.
That's not a haiku.
a whining old grinch
humility turned hubris
ghost of christmas past
To be very honest, I have a great deal of respect for Bo and his program. He has been good to me as a person and player. He is always going to look out for his team first and foremost. Has he let the success get to him? That can be debated, but I think consistent winning at a "very high level" over a 20-25 year period, and making over two million dollars a year may change anyone a little bit. I would be willing to find out myself! ;) I don't mean to dodge your question, but I feel Bo is a great coach, and cares about the success within his inner circle.
Quote from: hoops12 on July 15, 2014, 05:57:19 PM
To be very honest, I have a great deal of respect for Bo and his program. He has been good to me as a person and player. He is always going to look out for his team first and foremost. Has he let the success get to him? That can be debated, but I think consistent winning at a "very high level" over a 20-25 year period, and making over two million dollars a year may change anyone a little bit. I would be willing to find out myself! ;) I don't mean to dodge your question, but I feel Bo is a great coach, and cares about the success within his inner circle.
Thanks for the response. I probably put you on the spot so I am sorry. There is no debate about his coaching...great teacher and competitor.
Quote from: Black Swan on July 15, 2014, 06:34:46 PM
Thanks for the response. I probably put you on the spot so I am sorry. There is no debate about his coaching...great teacher and competitor.
So hoops12 gets thanked?
Quote from: keefe on July 15, 2014, 06:37:17 PM
So hoops12 gets thanked?
a whining old grinch
under appreciated
no haiku for you!
Quote from: keefe on July 15, 2014, 06:37:17 PM
So hoops12 gets thanked?
Ha! Thank you too keefe. I am new here, I don't know who is who yet. Was your answer a legit one based on your personal experience?
#45,
All you gotta know man, is me, keefe, Goose, Chicos, Lenny, and smitterin' of others know our sheet. Folks like BeeJay and F*ckin', don't know stink.
Quote from: keefe on July 15, 2014, 06:37:17 PM
So hoops12 gets thanked?
Why not?
By the way Black Swan, you are more than welcome. I respect Coach Ryan and I am very proud to have played for him at Platteville. However, I've always bled Blue and Gold since my dad played for MU and I was born and raised to be a Warrior.
Take care!
Quote from: Black Swan on July 15, 2014, 07:12:07 PM
Ha! Thank you too keefe. I am new here, I don't know who is who yet. Was your answer a legit one based on your personal experience?
Bob,
Thank you for acknowledging my contribution. To answer your question - yes, my insight into Bo Ryan is based on personal observation. I have personally watched that man behave badly now for years on ESPN, CBS, and BTN broadcasts. From my perspective, his whinging and whining has only grown worse over time. Deplorable, really. Truly so.
Superbar?
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 15, 2014, 10:34:11 PM
Superbar?
NAY!
Not when "the Black Swan" is replying to Scooper posts!
Keefe
I really dig your style.
Didn't the Black Swan previously state that he is not actually Bob Lackey?
Or did I mis-remember that?
(Don't want Bob Lackey or the Black Swan mad at me)
Quote from: leever on July 16, 2014, 10:29:30 AM
Didn't the Black Swan previously state that he is not actually Bob Lackey?
Or did I mis-remember that?
(Don't want Bob Lackey or the Black Swan mad at me)
You fail to realize that Bob Lackey is a state of mind. It is an attitude. It is a lifestyle. Some people admire Chuck Norris. Others aspire to being John Malkovich. The truly discerning know that the Black Swan is where it's at.
A moment of silence, please, for #45
Quote from: hoops12 on July 15, 2014, 08:07:06 PM
Why not?
By the way Black Swan, you are more than welcome. I respect Coach Ryan and I am very proud to have played for him at Platteville. However, I've always bled Blue and Gold since my dad played for MU and I was born and raised to be a Warrior.
Take care!
How was that Marquette-North Carolina game in 1986? :)
Quote from: TedBaxter on July 16, 2014, 06:26:40 PM
How was that Marquette-North Carolina game in 1986? :)
It was painful to watch the last two minutes! MU had the game won if they could have just had someone with some poise and confidence at the end of the game. Why do you ask? Do I know you? The reason I ask is, I had a ticket for that game but my coach wouldn't let me go. He decided to call a film session that Sunday instead. ::)
Quote from: hoops12 on July 16, 2014, 09:19:36 PM
I had a ticket for that game but my coach wouldn't let me go.
Your coach sounds like a real Grinch, man.
Quote from: hoops12 on July 16, 2014, 09:19:36 PM
It was painful to watch the last two minutes! MU had the game won if they could have just had someone with some poise and confidence at the end of the game. Why do you ask? Do I know you? The reason I ask is, I had a ticket for that game but my coach wouldn't let me go. He decided to call a film session that Sunday instead. ::)
I was at that game in the old Arena. It was the game that defined Rick Majerus' career at MU. Ever so close but could never push it over the edge.
It was a game Al would have won. Period. End of story.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 17, 2014, 01:00:53 PM
I was at that game in the old Arena. It was the game that defined Rick Majerus' career at MU. Ever so close but could never push it over the edge.
It was a game Al would have won. Period. End of story.
Whatever! Coaches put players in position to win games. Players are the ones that have to finish. End of story!
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 17, 2014, 01:00:53 PM
I was at that game in the old Arena. It was the game that defined Rick Majerus' career at MU. Ever so close but could never push it over the edge.
It was a game Al would have won. Period. End of story.
Was there as well. Should have won. Along with with a very close loss to a very good Dayton team that same week, Majerus's career at MU was defined.
Quote from: hoops12 on July 17, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
Whatever! Coaches put players in position to win games. Players are the ones that have to finish. End of story!
Agreed, but coaching and the confidence it builds gets what you need from your players.
Marquette lost that game because Rick Majerus was outcoached by one of the best ever -- Dean Smith. When the game was on the line, Coach Smith got the most he could out of his players -- and won. Al would have done the same and won the game, assuming he did not get hit with a technical foul.
If y'all remember correctly, we beat Dayton at the Arena on Saturday and UNC won a conference game that day also. They then travelled to MKE for the Sunday afternoon game.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 17, 2014, 03:57:48 PM
Agreed, but coaching and the confidence it builds gets what you need from your players.
Marquette lost that game because Rick Majerus was outcoached by one of the best ever -- Dean Smith. When the game was on the line, Coach Smith got the most he could out of his players -- and won. Al would have done the same and won the game, assuming he did not get hit with a technical foul.
Dean Smith was a pretty good coach, but I think he might have had a few players over the years to help him just a tad. Outcoached with a 10 point lead with two minutes left and no shot clock? If any player would have just taken charge it would have been over. Anyone! I respect your opinion, but that's all it is. I will agree that Rick did become an even better coach over the years, but he had an incredible basketball mind while at MU as well.
4 ever
Once again correct. We beat Dayton on Saturday afternoon and the excitement for Sunday was building by the hour. Th arena on Sunday may have been the craziest and loudest I ever saw it.
Quote from: hoops12 on July 16, 2014, 09:19:36 PM
It was painful to watch the last two minutes! MU had the game won if they could have just had someone with some poise and confidence at the end of the game. Why do you ask? Do I know you? The reason I ask is, I had a ticket for that game but my coach wouldn't let me go. He decided to call a film session that Sunday instead. ::)
You told me the story yourself. Friend of your dads from Madison. Not as good a story as Rick Majerus at the toll plaza.:)
Quote from: TedBaxter on July 18, 2014, 06:08:06 AM
Not as good a story as Rick Majerus at the toll plaza.:)
Is that where he dropped a load into a towel on the Edens?
HOOPS 12---- Is that when Michael Sims went off with like 25 points. Long jumpers. Your right, we had
the game won. Rick got outcoached at the end. If I remember Joe Wolf was a starter on NC and sank some key
free throws. Was there that afternoon. I believe, I have the right game.
Quote from: keefe on July 15, 2014, 05:23:38 PM
Bob Lackey
This is an entirely appropriate venue to discuss the personality of Bo Ryan.
No, it is not. The Superbar or a Wisconsin Badgers fan forum is, however.
Again, people can claim Rick got out coached and maybe you're correct. I just felt like Rick did a heck of a job with his game planning and in the last two minutes no one, and I mean no one, wanted the ball. Pop Sims, and Kerry Trotter looked like deer in the headlights. You have to play 40 minutes to beat the best teams in the country! Rick learned from that game and continued to become a better coach for many years to come.
As for Keefe's comment the other day, all I can say is, you are a very different individual. (That's being kind!) Seriously, your posts are consistently odd, many times they are gross, and typically they don't stay on topic. Many of them don't even deal with basketball. I'm sure you will slam me for saying it, but I'm just stating the obvious. I worked with Rick and I was his friend for years. Did he have some habits that were different? Yes! Don't we all? If you would look past some of the stereotypes that people had developed regarding Rick you would have found a very loyal, common sense, genuine, caring person. He had a heart of gold and he never thought he was any better than anyone else. He expected a lot from his players because he wanted them to work for everything they got in life. He truly used basketball as a teaching tool for life. Again, you can criticize the man, but I knew him very well and I know you would be hard pressed to find a better friend than Rick. He was unique! With Rick you got what he was. He wasn't a phony like many other big time coaches. I would visit him every year and he would make me a priority. I was a school teacher for crying out loud. He cared about people in general. People that were billionaires (who considered him their best friend), individuals that were homeless, and everyone in between were all looked upon the same by Rick. He never let his success get to his head. He was good to me and would help me (and everyone else that asked) at the drop of a hat. I know he had moments that you can criticize, but who doesn't? Most of the stories you seem to bring up are fabricated or second hand stories. If you would've really gotten to know the man, you would have realized how unique and genuine he was. He is greatly missed by me and many, many others from all over the country and the world!
Quote from: hoops12 on July 19, 2014, 10:22:53 AM
Again, people can claim Rick got out coached and maybe you're correct. I just felt like Rick did a heck of a job with his game planning and in the last two minutes no one, and I mean no one, wanted the ball. Pop Sims, and Kerry Trotter looked like deer in the headlights. You have to play 40 minutes to beat the best teams in the country! Rick learned from that game and continued to become a better coach for many years to come.
As for Keefe's comment the other day, all I can say is, you are a very different individual. (That's being kind!) Seriously, your posts are consistently odd, many times they are gross, and typically they don't stay on topic. Many of them don't even deal with basketball. I'm sure you will slam me for saying it, but I'm just stating the obvious. I worked with Rick and I was his friend for years. Did he have some habits that were different? Yes! Don't we all? If you would look past some of the stereotypes that people had developed regarding Rick you would have found a very loyal, common sense, genuine, caring person. He had a heart of gold and he never thought he was any better than anyone else. He expected a lot from his players because he wanted them to work for everything they got in life. He truly used basketball as a teaching tool for life. Again, you can criticize the man, but I knew him very well and I know you would be hard pressed to find a better friend than Rick. He was unique! With Rick you got what he was. He wasn't a phony like many other big time coaches. I would visit him every year and he would make me a priority. I was a school teacher for crying out loud. He cared about people in general. People that were billionaires (who considered him their best friend), individuals that were homeless, and everyone in between were all looked upon the same by Rick. He never let his success get to his head. He was good to me and would help me (and everyone else that asked) at the drop of a hat. I know he had moments that you can criticize, but who doesn't? Most of the stories you seem to bring up are fabricated or second hand stories. If you would've really gotten to know the man, you would have realized how unique and genuine he was. He is greatly missed by me and many, many others from all over the country and the world!
So you criticize one person for being different then defend another for being different? They must not teach rhetoric at UW Platteville.
Quote from: keefe on July 19, 2014, 02:12:44 PM
So you criticize one person for being different then defend another for being different? They must not teach rhetoric at UW Platteville.
Ha! Too funny. Defending yourself. ;D Well, if you reread my post I said everyone has "habits" that are different. We are all different in the habits that we have. That makes the world pretty interesting. However, I learned at home, at grade school, and all the way through my career that you should say things that are appropriate and treat people with respect. As for most of your posts, they are often "way off topic", gross, and inappropriate in nature. Most of them have very little to do with basketball. I don't know you at all. You are probably a very nice person. However, you use this board to degrade and use disgusting comments. That's what I'm talking about. So, you can talk about "rhetoric", but then I could claim no one ever taught you values, appropriateness, manners, and ethics. Clean it up and act like an adult. I'm betting you can't and your next post will most likely prove it. :'(
Take care and have a nice weekend!
UNC in 86 was the most fun I ever had at a sporting event. Insanity. And a bad last 2 minutes. That one was a program changer.