Former MU player traded for Milwaukee-born player.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--raptors-agree-to-trade-steve-novak-to-jazz-181622872.html
Read the last sentence.
In a move to create salary cap space, the Toronto Raptors have reached an agreement to send Steve Novak to the Utah Jazz, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Along with Novak and the two years and $7.2 million left on his contract, the Raptors will send a future second-round draft pick to Utah, sources said. The deal can't be completed until the league's moratorium ends on Thursday.
The Jazz will send the Raptors guard Diante Garrett, who, with a $915,000 non-guaranteed deal for this season, will be waived, sources said.
Novak, 31, gives the Jazz a three-point-shooting specialist whose career had taken a step back in limited minutes with the Raptors last season. Novak had played 20.3 minutes per game for the New York Knicks in 2012-13, but a trade to Toronto severely cut into his playing time and production last season.
In eight NBA seasons with six teams, Novak has averaged five points per game. He was a second-round pick in 2006 out of Marquette, where he played for coach Tom Crean.
Appropriate for Steve to shoot off some celebration fireworks tonight. Just cashed in his "get out of jail" card, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 04, 2014, 04:48:10 PM
Appropriate for Steve to shoot off some celebration fireworks tonight. Just cashed in his "get out of jail" card, hey?
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This is a good career move for him. And with SLC's higher elevation his range is probably extended by at least 8-10'. Hopefully he takes out some "temporary memberships" in some of SLC's "private clubs." I love the Wasatch powder but the SL Valley ethos is pure horse sh1t.
Quote from: keefe on July 04, 2014, 07:57:32 PM
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This is a good career move for him. And with SLC's higher elevation his range is probably extended by at least 8-10'. Hopefully he takes out some "temporary memberships" in some of SLC's "private clubs." I love the Wasatch powder but the SL Valley ethos is pure horse sh1t.
Don't give in, Scoopers.
DON'T GO OFF TOPIC IN THIS THREAD.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 04, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Don't give in, Scoopers.
DON'T GO OFF TOPIC IN THIS THREAD.
Jigs or spinners.
Discuss.....
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 04, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Don't give in, Scoopers.
DON'T GO OFF TOPIC IN THIS THREAD.
How is concern for Novak's drinking opportunities in his new venue going off topic? Frankly, I feel I speak for the majority of Scoopers in saying that a man's access to alcohol is of very real concern and is legitimate grist for the Scoop Mill.
Quote from: keefe on July 04, 2014, 09:41:12 PM
How is concern for Novak's drinking opportunities in his new venue going off topic? Frankly, I feel I speak for the majority of Scoopers in saying that a man's access to alcohol is of very real concern and is legitimate grist for the Scoop Mill.
Sometimes, Keefe, you can be too much! lol
Quote from: keefe on July 04, 2014, 09:41:12 PM
How is concern for Novak's drinking opportunities in his new venue going off topic? Frankly, I feel I speak for the majority of Scoopers in saying that a man's access to alcohol is of very real concern and is legitimate grist for the Scoop Mill.
Last time I was in SLC we celebrated so much in a Sushi Bar, I had to pay the valet to drive us back to the hotel. Steve will find a way to imbibe there?
Was Garrett ever recruited by MU?
Quote from: elephantraker on July 04, 2014, 11:19:26 PM
Steve will find a way to imbibe there
He's a Marquette Man. I would expect nothing less.
I lived in SLC for a summer. If you know where to go, you can find some great watering holes. The Green Pig and The Dive were two of my favorites. Of course you have to follow the oppressive 1 AM last call.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 06, 2014, 12:42:42 PM
I lived in SLC for a summer. If you know where to go, you can find some great watering holes. The Green Pig and The Dive were two of my favorites. Of course you have to follow the oppressive 1 AM last call.
They have the most inane and bizarre liquor laws this side of Mecca. The state even has Liquor Inspectors who roam the Deseret looking for ways to inflict God's Wrath on the wicked. It is weird driving through Utah and passing towns of two thousand residents that have 20 temple steeples as the only distinguishing landmark.
Utah is a land of tremendous beauty but I limit myself to Park City, Moab, and Zion.
Quote from: keefe on July 06, 2014, 12:51:36 PM
They have the most inane and bizarre liquor laws this side of Mecca.
Once upon a time, I drank quite a few beers watching MU play at Mecca!
Even more so, its gonna be weird going from living in, arguably, the two most cosmopolitan cities in North America in NYC and Toronto...to Salt Lake City
Quote from: JWags85 on July 08, 2014, 09:36:05 AM
Even more so, its gonna be weird going from living in, arguably, the two most cosmopolitan cities in North America in NYC and Toronto...to Salt Lake City
SLC has a lot more going for it for a young family than NYC or Toronto.
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 08, 2014, 09:52:23 AM
SLC has a lot more going for it for a young family than NYC or Toronto.
Did you really just type that?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 08, 2014, 10:53:53 AM
Did you really just type that?
I've never been to Toronto but NYC is a terrible place to raise a family. SLC is a very welcoming, safe, and wholesome environment. I loved the summer I spent there.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 08, 2014, 12:02:56 PM
I've never been to Toronto but NYC is a terrible place to raise a family. SLC is a very welcoming, safe, and wholesome environment. I loved the summer I spent there.
It must be my East Coast bias disagreeing with you.
I've been to Toronto several times and soon to include another visit next week. Toronto reminds me of a Canadian version of Chicago. If you want to get a feel for Toronto just watch HGTV --- Property Brothers, Income Property, Love It or List It, Mike Homes anything are all filmed in and around Toronto.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 08, 2014, 12:29:18 PM
It must be my East Coast bias disagreeing with you.
I've been to Toronto several times and soon to include another visit next week. Toronto reminds me of a Canadian version of Chicago. If you want to get a feel for Toronto just watch HGTV --- Property Brothers, Income Property, Love It or List It, Mike Homes anything are all filmed in and around Toronto.
Agreed. It has the international feel and diversity of a NYC, but much more manageable, neighborhood-y, and chill than NYC. Its expensive from a housing perspective, but being a professional athlete takes the sting out of that.
NYC is terrible to raise a family for a "normal" person, but being a multi-millionaire with a non-typical work commute or schedule who would could easily live in Westchester County or the like would be fine, including all the positives that NY has to offer.
This isn't you or I choosing SLC vs NYC.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 08, 2014, 12:29:18 PM
It must be my East Coast bias disagreeing with you.
I've been to Toronto several times and soon to include another visit next week. Toronto reminds me of a Canadian version of Chicago. If you want to get a feel for Toronto just watch HGTV --- Property Brothers, Income Property, Love It or List It, Mike Homes anything are all filmed in and around Toronto.
Again, I don't know about Toronto, but the example you gave, Chicago is another terrible place to raise a family. Not talking about any suburbs, I mean living in downtown Chicago or NYC. I wouldn't want my kids to live in either.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 08, 2014, 12:43:56 PM
NYC is terrible to raise a family for a "normal" person, but being a multi-millionaire with a non-typical work commute or schedule who would could easily live in Westchester County or the like would be fine, including all the positives that NY has to offer.
I have two nieces who are raising families in NYC (Brooklyn). They and their husbands are not multi-millionaires but they love it nonetheless.
I'm a "to each his own" person - pros and cons to city, suburb or country living. To me, though, the point of city living is energy, culture and the excitement that real diversity brings - and that's not Salt Lake City.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 08, 2014, 12:43:56 PM
NYC is terrible to raise a family for a "normal" person,
Leaving the specific NYC case aside, I'm not sure I would agree. We lived in some of the world's largest, most congested cities and found them to be great incubators for kids. Not everyone subscribes to the suburban superiority narrative. It is really just a matter of taste. What some see as an oasis is a wasteland to others.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 08, 2014, 12:43:56 PM
Agreed. It has the international feel and diversity of a NYC, but much more manageable, neighborhood-y, and chill than NYC. Its expensive from a housing perspective, but being a professional athlete takes the sting out of that.
NYC is terrible to raise a family for a "normal" person, but being a multi-millionaire with a non-typical work commute or schedule who would could easily live in Westchester County or the like would be fine, including all the positives that NY has to offer.
This isn't you or I choosing SLC vs NYC.
I know a fair number of people who live in Connecticut and take the train to NYC every day and they are definitely not multi-millionaires. My neighbor did it for years and surprising loved it despite the 1h40m train ride. I used to laugh as I'd be just beginning my 5:30AM run and he would be sprinting out of his house to the car to catch the train.
And it does sound like you're mixing up a little of the Hollywood version of NYC with the real version of NYC.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 08, 2014, 01:09:14 PM
I have two nieces who are raising families in NYC (Brooklyn). They and their husbands are not multi-millionaires but they love it nonetheless.
I'm a "to each his own" person - pros and cons to city, suburb or country living. To me, though, the point of city living is energy, culture and the excitement that real diversity brings - and that's not Salt Lake City.
Thanks Lenny. I could not have said it better myself.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 08, 2014, 12:53:20 PM
Chicago is another terrible place to raise a family. Not talking about any suburbs, I mean living in downtown Chicago or NYC. I wouldn't want my kids to live in either.
Did you ever live in or raise a family in Chicago?
My wife and I lived in a little house on the north side, about a mile from Wrigley Field, from 1994-2010. Raised a son and daughter. They went to very good public schools (magnet schools), had great teachers, and learned that life wasn't all vanilla and white bread.
Their high school, Payton Prep, was about a third black, a third white, 20% Latino and the rest Asian. Their grade school was only about 50% white. They learned to get along. They learned there are good people and bad people of all races and creeds.
They learned how to be street-smart and self-reliant. They learned how to get around a city without a car; my son is in his mid-20s, still lives there and doesn't have a driver's license. We gave him the option to move to N.C. with us and he vowed he'd never leave Chicago. My daughter missed it so much she moved back from Seattle; though has since returned to Seattle for her job, she still refers to Chicago as "home."
There absolutely are areas of Chicago I would not want to raise a family, but lots of areas where I would ... and one where I did.
Can't one say the same about Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Toronto, L.A., Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, Charlotte? You name the major city and I can name lots of areas where I wouldn't consider living but some that I would.
Surprised at you, TAMU. You usually don't generalize without a base of knowledge!
Quote from: JWags85 on July 08, 2014, 09:36:05 AM
Even more so, its gonna be weird going from living in, arguably, the two most cosmopolitan cities in North America in NYC and Toronto...to Salt Lake City
Does the major of Salt Lake City do crack?
Quote from: LittleMurs on July 08, 2014, 05:33:16 PM
Does the major of Salt Lake City do crack?
No, but several of his wives do.
MU82, you're right. I don't really have the experience to say what a good place to raise a family is. I don't have a family. What I should have said, is when I have a family, I would much rather raise them in a city like Salt Lake than NYC or Chicago.
Apologies.
Quote from: LittleMurs on July 08, 2014, 05:33:16 PM
Does the major of Salt Lake City do crack?
Funny you mention. My wife and I have friends in Ontario who we will see in our visit. They sent us an article to warn us of bad traffic in Toronto mostly caused by misguided, ill-timed and non-coordinated closing of highways for construction. Stuff like two highways & subway line closed simultaneously. My first reaction was maybe if the mayor wasn't on crack.......
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 08, 2014, 01:17:55 PM
I know a fair number of people who live in Connecticut and take the train to NYC every day and they are definitely not multi-millionaires. My neighbor did it for years and surprising loved it despite the 1h40m train ride. I used to laugh as I'd be just beginning my 5:30AM run and he would be sprinting out of his house to the car to catch the train.
And it does sound like you're mixing up a little of the Hollywood version of NYC with the real version of NYC.
I didn't mean that only someone like Novak could do that. Most people that I've known working in NYC, that were in their 30s and older, were doing it. I just meant everything about that sort of thing is easier when you're in the unique situation Novak is.
And when I say terrible, I mean it as Midwestern people who have a certain idea about what raising a family is about. I love NYC, spent alot of time there, but growing up we had alot of space, that's not a very manageable reality in alot of NYC.
And duh, Chicago is a terrible place to raise a family. Didn't you see there were 40+ shootings over July 4th, the whole city is basically Escape from LA! (not making light of the very real issues, but more how people have incorrect perceptions about alot of things)
Quote from: JWags85 on July 09, 2014, 09:35:35 AM
I didn't mean that only someone like Novak could do that. Most people that I've known working in NYC, that were in their 30s and older, were doing it. I just meant everything about that sort of thing is easier when you're in the unique situation Novak is.
And when I say terrible, I mean it as Midwestern people who have a certain idea about what raising a family is about. I love NYC, spent alot of time there, but growing up we had alot of space, that's not a very manageable reality in alot of NYC.
And duh, Chicago is a terrible place to raise a family. Didn't you see there were 40+ shootings over July 4th, the whole city is basically Escape from LA! (not making light of the very real issues, but more how people have incorrect perceptions about alot of things)
Most of Chicago is fine, very safe in fact.
Almost all of the violence is contained to about 4 or 5 neighborhoods on the south and west sides. And in those neighborhoods its a major, major problem, not denying that.
But its funny when people refer to Chicago as some sort of single place. It is not a Milwaukee-size city. It is like 10 Milwaukees. There are some really bad areas. There are also some really, really, wealthy areas, some of the richest zip codes in the country. There are some working class neighborhoods, immigrant neighborhoods, poor neighborhoods, middle class neighborhoods, and everything in between.
Raising a family in Salt Lake City over Chicago is hilarious. I've been to SLC. It is a nice, clean city, but offers 1% of what Chicago does in culture, arts, educational experiences, cuisine, ethnic diversity, sports, etc.
Give me Chicago every time. My kids will be well-rounded and not raised in a bubble.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 09, 2014, 09:59:09 AM
Most of Chicago is fine, very safe in fact.
Almost all of the violence is contained to about 4 or 5 neighborhoods on the south and west sides. And in those neighborhoods its a major, major problem, not denying that.
But its funny when people refer to Chicago as some sort of single place. It is not a Milwaukee-size city. It is like 10 Milwaukees. There are some really bad areas. There are also some really, really, wealthy areas, some of the richest zip codes in the country. There are some working class neighborhoods, immigrant neighborhoods, poor neighborhoods, middle class neighborhoods, and everything in between.
Raising a family in Salt Lake City over Chicago is hilarious. I've been to SLC. It is a nice, clean city, but offers 1% of what Chicago does in culture, arts, educational experiences, cuisine, ethnic diversity, sports, etc.
Give me Chicago every time. My kids will be well-rounded and not raised in a bubble.
Just as TAMU doesn't know enough about Chicago to know if it is a good place to raise a family, I don't know enough about SLC to know if I'd want to raise a family there.
I'm guessing there are parts of SLC I'd find worthy, just as there are parts of Chicago I found worthy.
Everything Bleuteaux says here is accurate. I especially like the line about Chicago being like 10 Milwaukees. Chicago is a huge city, both in population and land mass. There are so many cultures and so many cultural differences within its borders, not even mentioning its suburbs.
When I was transferred from Minny to Chicago, I simply assumed we'd live in some white-bread suburb. After all, we lived in the burbs in Minny and even lived outside the Madison city limits when we were there for a couple years. I grew up in a Connecticut suburb, too.
But several friends of mine who lived in the city encouraged me to do more research and we ended up settling in an extremely nice neighborhood that was even affordable.
I already described what living there was like in an earlier post, so I won't go into that again. What I will say is that Chicago and Illinois did eventually wear on me -- especially the traffic, weather, high taxes and dirty politics. By the time we moved to N.C. in 2010, we were ready to leave.
But you know what? Charlotte and N.C. have many of the same problems. The mayor here was just indicted for taking bribes ... and they were pathetic bribes -- around 25K. I mean, if you're gonna risk jail, you gotta at least go for 6 figures, no?
If my son is still living in Chicago in a few years, I'd go back there in a heartbeat ... but only if I could afford to live where I wouldn't need a car and only if I could afford to spend Thanksgiving to Tax Day somewhere warm!
Quote from: MU82 on July 09, 2014, 10:21:07 AM
Just as TAMU doesn't know enough about Chicago to know if it is a good place to raise a family, I don't know enough about SLC to know if I'd want to raise a family there.
I'm guessing there are parts of SLC I'd find worthy, just as there are parts of Chicago I found worthy.
Everything Bleuteaux says here is accurate. I especially like the line about Chicago being like 10 Milwaukees. Chicago is a huge city, both in population and land mass. There are so many cultures and so many cultural differences within its borders, not even mentioning its suburbs.
When I was transferred from Minny to Chicago, I simply assumed we'd live in some white-bread suburb. After all, we lived in the burbs in Minny and even lived outside the Madison city limits when we were there for a couple years. I grew up in a Connecticut suburb, too.
But several friends of mine who lived in the city encouraged me to do more research and we ended up settling in an extremely nice neighborhood that was even affordable.
I already described what living there was like in an earlier post, so I won't go into that again. What I will say is that Chicago and Illinois did eventually wear on me -- especially the traffic, weather, high taxes and dirty politics. By the time we moved to N.C. in 2010, we were ready to leave.
But you know what? Charlotte and N.C. have many of the same problems. The mayor here was just indicted for taking bribes ... and they were pathetic bribes -- around 25K. I mean, if you're gonna risk jail, you gotta at least go for 6 figures, no?
If my son is still living in Chicago in a few years, I'd go back there in a heartbeat ... but only if I could afford to live where I wouldn't need a car and only if I could afford to spend Thanksgiving to Tax Day somewhere warm!
Totally echo your sentiments about the taxes, traffic, etc. For me it is still worth the benefits of living in such as world class city, but I probably won't spend the rest of my life there.
And Chicago offers about 1% of the natural beauty the Salt Lake does. I'd want my kids to grow up in a safe, welcoming environment, surrounded by beautiful mountains, where everyone is environment conscious and health conscious and the air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.
As someone else said (Keefe I think) it comes down to personal taste. I love cities but only when they are the size of Milwaukee, Salt Lake, Denver, Austin, Raleigh, etc. I can't stand cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, or Houston. Fun to visit but I'm always glad to leave. Others couldn't imagine living anywhere else.
I do love me some Chicago pizza though
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 09, 2014, 10:26:44 AM
And Chicago offers about 1% of the natural beauty the Salt Lake does. I'd want my kids to grow up in a safe, welcoming environment, surrounded by beautiful mountains, where everyone is environment conscious and health conscious and the air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.
As someone else said (Keefe I think) it comes down to personal taste. I love cities but only when they are the size of Milwaukee, Salt Lake, Denver, Austin, Raleigh, etc. I can't stand cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, or Houston. Fun to visit but I'm always glad to leave. Others couldn't imagine living anywhere else.
I do love me some Chicago pizza though
Fair enough. There are no mountains. But there are plenty of views
(http://travel.sndimg.com/static_files/imagesource/imageoutput/chicago-lake-shore-drive_596x334.jpg)
(http://www.corenetglobal.org/files/summits_events/Chicago2011/images/ChicagoLakeshore.jpg)
(http://www.mrchicagoluxuryrealestate.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/lakeshoreeastchicago.jpg)
(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/04/65/af/7b/w-chicago-lakeshore.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oVcZpIrCaxM/UiehF2-2-nI/AAAAAAAAGjs/A9McvRhpRhA/s1600/chicagotomackinac-sailboat.jpg)
(http://www.tzoo-img.com/images/tzoo.p.local.56138.kayakchicago.jpg)
I loved having this as my commute home from work:
(https://www.utah.com/images/lf/panoSLC.jpg)
(http://gissaclayton.com/images/user/183/images/salt-lake-city-downtown-2.jpg)
(http://www.bundubus.com/salt_lake_city_3.jpg)
(http://servingsaltlake.info/wp-content/gallery/east-bench/4.jpg)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 09, 2014, 10:26:44 AM
The air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.
Lets not confuse Chicago with Gary
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 09, 2014, 10:26:44 AM
And Chicago offers about 1% of the natural beauty the Salt Lake does. I'd want my kids to grow up in a safe, welcoming environment, surrounded by beautiful mountains, where everyone is environment conscious and health conscious and the air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.
As someone else said (Keefe I think) it comes down to personal taste. I love cities but only when they are the size of Milwaukee, Salt Lake, Denver, Austin, Raleigh, etc. I can't stand cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, or Houston. Fun to visit but I'm always glad to leave. Others couldn't imagine living anywhere else.
I do love me some Chicago pizza though
TAMU - You lost all credibility with the pizza mention!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 09, 2014, 10:26:44 AM
And Chicago offers about 1% of the natural beauty the Salt Lake does. I'd want my kids to grow up in a safe, welcoming environment, surrounded by beautiful mountains, where everyone is environment conscious and health conscious and the air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.
As someone else said (Keefe I think) it comes down to personal taste. I love cities but only when they are the size of Milwaukee, Salt Lake, Denver, Austin, Raleigh, etc. I can't stand cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, or Houston.
Hmmm...this is where your point is off. Houston is hardly anything like NYC, Chicago or LA in anything but population.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 09, 2014, 11:17:21 AM
TAMU - You lost all credibility with the pizza mention!
You beat me to it, Nutmeg!! Give me coal-fired every time!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 09, 2014, 10:38:31 AM
I loved having this as my commute home from work:
(https://www.utah.com/images/lf/panoSLC.jpg)
(http://gissaclayton.com/images/user/183/images/salt-lake-city-downtown-2.jpg)
(http://www.bundubus.com/salt_lake_city_3.jpg)
(http://servingsaltlake.info/wp-content/gallery/east-bench/4.jpg)
Aggie,
I love the Wasatch for reasons stated in another thread. But SLC, for the non-believer, can be hard to swallow. Several of my buds fly for Delta and are based in SLC. They all live in Park City. For one reason.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 08, 2014, 12:53:20 PM
Again, I don't know about Toronto, but the example you gave, Chicago is another terrible place to raise a family. Not talking about any suburbs, I mean living in downtown Chicago or NYC. I wouldn't want my kids to live in either.
Well thats gonna suck for my future kids then cause they will be born and raised in Chicago like I was and my parents before me and their parents and even their parents. I turned out all right along with my family and many others I went to school and grew up with. This sudden turn to "anti-Chciago" that many people have taken lately needs to stop.
Quote from: PTM on July 09, 2014, 11:30:45 AM
Hmmm...this is where your point is off. Houston is hardly anything like NYC, Chicago or LA in anything but population.
I was so disappointed by Houston after visiting for the first time 2 years ago on a business trip.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 09, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Fair enough. There are no mountains. But there are plenty of views
(http://travel.sndimg.com/static_files/imagesource/imageoutput/chicago-lake-shore-drive_596x334.jpg)
(http://www.corenetglobal.org/files/summits_events/Chicago2011/images/ChicagoLakeshore.jpg)
(http://www.mrchicagoluxuryrealestate.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/lakeshoreeastchicago.jpg)
(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/04/65/af/7b/w-chicago-lakeshore.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oVcZpIrCaxM/UiehF2-2-nI/AAAAAAAAGjs/A9McvRhpRhA/s1600/chicagotomackinac-sailboat.jpg)
(http://www.tzoo-img.com/images/tzoo.p.local.56138.kayakchicago.jpg)
(http://jatnewsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Chicago-Theater-Winter.jpg)
(http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/02/03/chicago_snow-741c4e3788b5901b7187d119d784c083fab94429-s6-c30.jpg)
Having lived in cities with pro sports (Milwaukee, Chicago and Nashville) and cities without them (Richmond, Madison and others), I've come to the conclusion that no one city (or type of city) is "better" or "best" for everyone. It all depends on what the person is looking for...and even that changes over time.
Regarding SLC, which I've visited but never lived in, it seems a couple of guys named Stockton and Malone liked it enough to stick around for a while. My guess is that they probably had plenty of opportunities to move to Chicago, LA or NYC, and decided not to. I know Stockton is Catholic, and am pretty sure Malone isn't Mormon....
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on July 09, 2014, 11:46:30 AM
Well thats gonna suck for my future kids then cause they will be born and raised in Chicago like I was and my parents before me and their parents and even their parents. I turned out all right along with my family and many others I went to school and grew up with. This sudden turn to "anti-Chciago" that many people have taken lately needs to stop.
what do you mean "sudden turn"? ;)
Quote from: GooooMarquette on July 09, 2014, 12:34:12 PM
Having lived in cities with pro sports (Milwaukee, Chicago and Nashville) and cities without them (Richmond, Madison and others), I've come to the conclusion that no one city (or type of city) is "better" or "best" for everyone. It all depends on what the person is looking for...and even that changes over time.
Regarding SLC, which I've visited but never lived in, it seems a couple of guys named Stockton and Malone liked it enough to stick around for a while. My guess is that they probably had plenty of opportunities to move to Chicago, LA or NYC, and decided not to. I know Stockton is Catholic, and am pretty sure Malone isn't Mormon....
Stockton is from the Inland Empire which is culturally similar to SLC. A lot of people don't realize it but Mos dominate the Mountain West. Drive through southern Idaho and the predominant architectural feature is LDS Temple Steeples.
Malone is an avid hunter and fisherman so living in the Wasatch was a joy. If you can get past the Mormon Mafia life in Utah can be splendid but you have got to love the outdoors.
(https://www.hcn.org/issues/44.18/how-the-mormon-gop-runs-utah-with-a-collectivist-touch/mormon2.jpg/@@images/d5576a07-61d5-463c-be2a-e13ea7622661.jpeg)
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on July 09, 2014, 11:46:30 AM
Well thats gonna suck for my future kids then cause they will be born and raised in Chicago like I was and my parents before me and their parents and even their parents. I turned out all right along with my family and many others I went to school and grew up with. This sudden turn to "anti-Chciago" that many people have taken lately needs to stop.
I already apologized for the post. One of those "dont think about what words mean when you post them on the internet" moments.I don't really think there's an anti-Chicago movement, I just think a lot of people wouldn't like living there. And chicagans don't understand why not
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 09, 2014, 11:17:21 AM
TAMU - You lost all credibility with the pizza mention!
Give me deep and thick over big and flabby any day.
I know, I know. I'm dating a new Yorker, she tells me how wrong I am all the time
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 09, 2014, 01:48:31 PM
Give me deep and thick over big and flabby any day.
I know, I know. I'm dating a new Yorker, she tells me how wrong I am all the time
New Haven style is not Big & Flabby. It's thin and crispy with almost no crust after being coal baked in 75 year old brick ovens and loaded with fresh ingredients.
NYC pizza is slightly lesser version of New Haven style.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 09, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
New Haven style is not Big & Flabby. It's thin and crispy with almost no crust after being coal baked in 75 year old brick ovens and loaded with fresh ingredients.
NYC pizza is slightly lesser version of New Haven style.
I didn't even know new haven pizza was a thing to be honest
Quote from: PTM on July 09, 2014, 11:30:45 AM
Hmmm...this is where your point is off. Houston is hardly anything like NYC, Chicago or LA in anything but population.
And traffic, and crime. But yes they are very different cities. I don't like either
Quote from: keefe on July 09, 2014, 11:34:30 AM
Aggie,
I love the Wasatch for reasons stated in another thread. But SLC, for the non-believer, can be hard to swallow. Several of my buds fly for Delta and are based in SLC. They all live in Park City. For one reason.
You know I've heard this, but other than the liquor laws, I never noticed it. Religion was only ever brought up if I asked about LDS.
Though seeing two 18 year olds married with three kids already took some getting used to
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 09, 2014, 10:26:44 AM
And Chicago offers about 1% of the natural beauty the Salt Lake does. I'd want my kids to grow up in a safe, welcoming environment, surrounded by beautiful mountains, where everyone is environment conscious and health conscious and the air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.
As someone else said (Keefe I think) it comes down to personal taste. I love cities but only when they are the size of Milwaukee, Salt Lake, Denver, Austin, Raleigh, etc. I can't stand cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, or Houston. Fun to visit but I'm always glad to leave. Others couldn't imagine living anywhere else.
I do love me some Chicago pizza though
OK, at least you've offered some real reasons here instead of a blanket indictment of raising families in Chicago. So thanks for that.
I love Chicago pizza, too. Not sure why others recoiled so. My favorite is Pequod's in Lincoln Park; different from others that can be a little too dough-y. I also love a great coal-fired pizza and Chicago has several wonderful spots for that, too. I'm a big New Haven style fan, as well. New York style is not my favorite.
I have been to SLC a few times: both of the Bulls' NBA Finals appearances as well as the 1993 NBA All-Star Game.
My main memory was that in 1993 a few friends and I went out to lunch. When we got to the restaurant, a light snow was falling. By the time we were done about an hour and a half later, there had to have been 12-18 inches on the ground. We were watching it come down from inside the restaurant and I have never seen so much snow fall so quickly. We were cabbing it but the first one we got in didn't have all-wheel drive so we couldn't even get away from the curb. Thankfully, another cab with 4x4 came by.
My wife and I and another couple actually are doing the timeshare thing in Park City next month, my first visit there. I'm sure we'll spend a day or two in SLC as well. Looking forward to it. Pretty sure I still won't want to live there, though!
Quote from: MU82 on July 09, 2014, 02:28:46 PM
OK, at least you've offered some real reasons here instead of a blanket indictment of raising families in Chicago. So thanks for that.
I love Chicago pizza, too. Not sure why others recoiled so. My favorite is Pequod's in Lincoln Park; different from others that can be a little too dough-y. I also love a great coal-fired pizza and Chicago has several wonderful spots for that, too. I'm a big New Haven style fan, as well. New York style is not my favorite.
I have been to SLC a few times: both of the Bulls' NBA Finals appearances as well as the 1993 NBA All-Star Game.
My main memory was that in 1993 a few friends and I went out to lunch. When we got to the restaurant, a light snow was falling. By the time we were done about an hour and a half later, there had to have been 12-18 inches on the ground. We were watching it come down from inside the restaurant and I have never seen so much snow fall so quickly. We were cabbing it but the first one we got in didn't have all-wheel drive so we couldn't even get away from the curb. Thankfully, another cab with 4x4 came by.
My wife and I and another couple actually are doing the timeshare thing in Park City next month, my first visit there. I'm sure we'll spend a day or two in SLC as well. Looking forward to it. Pretty sure I still won't want to live there, though!
I live right by Pequods!!!!! Their caramelized crust is the best!
Quote from: keefe on July 06, 2014, 12:51:36 PM
They have the most inane and bizarre liquor laws this side of Mecca. The state even has Liquor Inspectors who roam the Deseret looking for ways to inflict God's Wrath on the wicked. It is weird driving through Utah and passing towns of two thousand residents that have 20 temple steeples as the only distinguishing landmark.
Utah is a land of tremendous beauty but I limit myself to Park City, Moab, and Zion.
Southeast Utah may be my favorite place in the entire country. Moab is always the destination and then we fan out through SE Utah and SW Colorado from there.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 09, 2014, 02:31:15 PM
I live right by Pequods!!!!! Their caramelized crust is the best!
It's okay, not quite the hype.
Quote from: brandx on July 09, 2014, 02:36:02 PM
Southeast Utah may be my favorite place in the entire country. Moab is always the destination and then we fan out through SE Utah and SW Colorado from there.
Moab and Zion are two of my favorite places on this earth. Proof that partisan politics ends at the ranger station. Arches is one of God's most splendid temples and Edward Abbey is its deacon.