Apparently Heisenberg didn't get his advice to him in time.
https://twitter.com/wallyellenson/status/484384436616560640
far out
Come on down and join your brother, Henry.
OK, Henry, your table has been set... ;)
Verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting!
As for Heisenberg's "advice": People live how they want to live. Maybe the kid gets great joy out of playing basketball -- and, especially, out of playing on the same college basketball team as his brother!
Does the family have money? If so, they can hire Wally a private high-jump coach if that matters enough to him.
Regardless of his motive, I'm glad he's making MU Wally World.
Next ... O Henry!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 02, 2014, 12:28:10 PM
Come on down and join your brother, Henry.
I like our chances even more on Henry...potentially a Five Star recruit in Wojo's first season on the job? Wow.
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Gwlhw4RX--/qtr9wvgsujidg5zri4im.gif)
Did someone say WOJO couldn't recruit? Maybe he knows what he's doing.
Solid!
http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/TargetPredictions
Wojo has made a huge impression on that family since he took over. This is a big deal.
Wow this is huge! I absolutely refuse to think this means we have Henry locked up or anything is a #donedeal because I don't want to get burned. But...wow.
What's so cool is WoJo didn't just stand still holdin' his johnson once it became obvious the Stone ship had left the dock. Steve is out there pissin' with the big boys in unchartered waters.
Heard this yesterday and feel good about brother combo coming to MU.
Can anyone break down Wally's game?
He's not quite Dwight Stone, but close.
Also remember that Wally was hurt for the first portion of his freshman year and that he left the program just a few games into his sophomore year. He might very well be a strong contributor in his own right regardless of Henry.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 02, 2014, 12:54:34 PM
He's not quite Dwight Stone, but close.
I find it amusing that yesterday everyone was worried about offending Heldt by questioning his credentials but today we're celebrating Wally's signing as simply step one in getting his brother. Kid's got feelings too!
Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook
Scorecard thus far for Steve Wojciechowski ... transfers Matt Carlino, Gabe Levin and Wally Ellenson. 2015 Matt Heldt, Nick Noskowiak.
What about Ellwood? Bring the whole family.
http://www.bsubeavers.com/mbasketball/roster/2013-14/6881/ellwood-ellenson/
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 02, 2014, 12:46:30 PM
Wojo has made a huge impression on that family since he took over. This is a big deal.
I'm blown away. Steve is absolutely crushing it given the timing of his hire and what he's been able to do in a short period of time.
Billed as a good shooter, with good size (6-6, 210) and great leaping ability. But could never translate
his talent into productive minutes at Minnesota. Hopefully, he can mold these talents and be productive at MU.
I Like It.
(http://www.nrcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/that-escalated-quickly-anchorman-gif.gif)
I'm shocked ... Jordan picks baseball over basketball.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on July 02, 2014, 12:58:51 PM
Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook
Scorecard thus far for Steve Wojciechowski ... transfers Matt Carlino, Gabe Levin and Wally Ellenson. 2015 Matt Heldt, Nick Noskowiak.
It's pretty clear to me that Wojo keeps Mark Miller informed. I really like Mark's 247 crystal ball.
Quote from: mukaiser on July 02, 2014, 12:37:14 PM
Did someone say WOJO couldn't recruit? Maybe he knows what he's doing.
ThatDude is really pissed now. Another white guy.
Great news for Marquette Athletics. We just got a world class athlete to track and field athlete to transfer here. His athleticism will also help our basketball team. Big question is what year is he eligible.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on July 02, 2014, 01:04:13 PM
Billed as a good shooter, with good size (6-6, 210) and great leaping ability. But could never translate
his talent into productive minutes at Minnesota. Hopefully, he can mold these talents and be productive at MU.
I Like It.
Sounds a lot like Juan Anderson.
Quote from: brandx on July 02, 2014, 01:14:11 PM
ThatDude is really pissed now. Another white guy.
Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball
Quote from: Earl Tatum on July 02, 2014, 01:04:13 PM
Billed as a good shooter, with good size (6-6, 210) and great leaping ability. But could never translate
his talent into productive minutes at Minnesota. Hopefully, he can mold these talents and be productive at MU.
I Like It.
Brings athleticism for sure - for Marquette Madness alone this is a great get.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball
Don't be such a racist. Or stop being a Marquette fan. Because you are embarrassing me as both.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball
Go home. You're drunk.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball
Whether the poster is white or black, he/she looks like a dope when making sweeping racial generalizations.
So congrats, ThatDude ... you're No. 1!!!
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Wally-Ellenson-96611
Quote from: MU82 on July 02, 2014, 12:32:31 PM
Verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting!
As for Heisenberg's "advice": People live how they want to live. Maybe the kid gets great joy out of playing basketball -- and, especially, out of playing on the same college basketball team as his brother!
Does the family have money? If so, they can hire Wally a private high-jump coach if that matters enough to him.
Regardless of his motive, I'm glad he's making MU Wally World.
Next ... O Henry!
Wally is a world class jumper. No such coach exists for one guy in Milwaukee. If he was interested in getting to the next level (i.e., the Olympics, World Championships, appearance fees at Diamond League meets), he needs more than some random High School track coach taking a part time gig.
To get to the next level means getting in a system with other jumpers (i.e., Florida, Oregon, etc.) and getting in the weight room to get to the next level. That means giving up basketball but it seems that is not what he wants to do.
This is a message board about MU basketball. So given that interest I see why everyone is happy ... I'm am too ... but not because Wally is coming, because Henry might follow.
So you will all criticize my advice to him to do what he does best (become a full-time high jumper) and praise him to satisfying your selfish need, (get his brother to MU). And now that everyone is a libertarian saying he should "do what he wants to do." How come we don't have that attitude about Crean and Buzz?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 01:23:20 PM
Don't be such a racist. Or stop being a Marquette fan. Because you are embarrassing me as both.
sometimes failing to discuss race is the ultimate form of racism. imho, the discussion should be had, but in an informed and classy manner.
According to our press release he is red shirting this year. I wonder if he will be eligible for track still. Also they may be able to free up a scholarship in track for him if we start running low on 2015 scholarships.
http://www.gomarquette.com/genrel/070214aaa.html
Quote from: MU82 on July 02, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
Whether the poster is white or black, he/she looks like a dope when making sweeping racial generalizations.
So congrats, ThatDude ... you're No. 1!!!
Whether I made a racial generalization or not would you mind challenging the fact or nah?
The knock on Wally at Minnesota was he couldn't hit an open jumper, but his biggest liability was on the defensive end.
I watched Wally play for many years. He is not all that quick defensively and because he likes to go for the quick steal, he plays people a little too close.
That being said, he is a great athlete with a vertical in the 40" range. A D1 all american in the high jump (took second this year at the NCAA's), he can do a little bit of everything on the floor...just nothing that really he excels at. He will be a contributor, but I don't see him as a starter.
I would have to say this locks up Henry. The dream of both of them was to play together in college. The fact that Wally has to sit a year and Henry comes at the same time, makes perfect sense for the Ellenson family.
Good kid and he will work his butt off.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:31:37 PM
sometimes failing to discuss race is the ultimate form of racism. imho, the discussion should be had, but in an informed and classy manner.
+100000
Exactly
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 12:55:51 PM
Also remember that Wally was hurt for the first portion of his freshman year and that he left the program just a few games into his sophomore year. He might very well be a strong contributor in his own right regardless of Henry.
He obviously has D1 talent, and a redshirt year might help him refine his game.
Nice signing. Could be a contributor in a couple of years.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball
Wow.
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Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 01:33:35 PM
+100000
Exactly
You start, since you just said a majority white team can't win. Seems like ball is in your court on this one, since you have judged talent by skin color. Classy. But here's a chance for you to clarify. When you do so, please don't confuse causal to correlation as your reasoning. Looking forward to your answer.
I would have to say this locks up Henry. The dream of both of them was to play together in college.
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Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:31:37 PM
sometimes failing to discuss race is the ultimate form of racism. imho, the discussion should be had, but in an informed and classy manner.
Talking about race is fine where it is relevant...like when we talk about things like affirmative action and the like. But a good, white basketball player is better than a bad, black one. The job of a coach is to get the best players he can.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball
We were not going to win NCAA champioship with Buzz's switchables either.
Quote from: Texas Western on July 02, 2014, 01:31:47 PM
According to our press release he is red shirting this year. I wonder if he will be eligible for track still. Also they may be able to free up a scholarship in track for him if we start running low on 2015 scholarships.
http://www.gomarquette.com/genrel/070214aaa.html
It does not work that way. You cannot hide players in other sports. He will transfer and sit out next year and count as BOTH a track and basketball scholarship.
Otherwise, most football teams could "hide" half their team with scholarships to the track team.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 01:35:12 PM
Wow.
(http://i.imgur.com/Mtdcy.gif)
when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?
Wojo is impressing me more and more every day - and I was thoroughly impressed with him when we hired him.
Welcome to Marquette, Wally. Hopefully, this will be a family-reunion of sorts.
Quote from: bilsu on July 02, 2014, 01:38:01 PM
We were not going to win NCAA champioship with Buzz's switchables either.
Well, we could have if someone was able to make a damn jump shot
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:40:34 PM
when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?
Duke 2010
Are we done with this stupid debate now?
Crean didn't win either with NBA lottery picks either, hey?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
Talking about race is fine where it is relevant...like when we talk about things like affirmative action and the like. But a good, white basketball player is better than a bad, black one. The job of a coach is to get the best players he can.
no one will/should disagree with that, and you take the best players you can take, unless you feel a moral obligation in a different direction. that said, facts are facts, and a majority white team hasn't won a championship in d1 bball in my lifetime (that i can think of). i also believe that wojo will recruit the best players he can for his system at MU, and that the majority of those kids will happen to be black.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:45:22 PM
no one will/should disagree with that, and you take the best players you can take, unless you feel a moral obligation in a different direction. that said, facts are facts, and a majority white team hasn't won a championship in d1 bball in my lifetime (that i can think of). i also believe that wojo will recruit the best players he can for his system at MU, and that the majority of those kids will happen to be black.
Again....Duke 2010.
Who was an assistant on that team?
Seriously, this is beyond embarrassing.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 02, 2014, 01:43:21 PM
Crean didn't win either with NBA lottery picks either, hey?
He's had three lottery picks in last two years and parlayed that in one S16 and then a "no post season."
Restated, If our center was the seventh pick in the draft (as Noah Vonleh was last week) and we finished with no NCAA or NIT bid, what would we be thinking about our coach?
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:40:34 PM
when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?
2010 Duke Blue Devils?
Just a guess
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 01:46:41 PM
Again....Duke 2010.
Who was an assistant on that team?
Seriously, this is beyond embarrassing.
How 'bout the team they beat in the NC too?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Duke 2010
Are we done with this stupid debate now?
no sh!t...i'm guessing that just starts the debate. well, i guess that debate has been going on for years with coach k. if you think the conversation is stupid and embarrassing, see yourself out of it; put me on ignore; move on with your life. i can think of many dumber things that have come from your keyboard.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:48:52 PM
no sh!t...i'm guessing that just starts the debate. well, i guess that debate has been going on for years with coach k.
There is no "debate".
If somebody wants to have an open and honest conversation about race, that's cool.
But, there are probably better forums out there for that. No need to get into it each time MU signs a white player, which seems to be the theme this summer.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on July 02, 2014, 01:52:08 PM
There is no "debate".
If somebody wants to have an open and honest conversation about race, that's cool.
But, there are probably better forums out there for that. No need to get into it each time MU signs a white player, which seems to be the theme this summer.
Exactly. In the very thread discussing said recruit's commitment too.
Embarrassing.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on July 02, 2014, 01:52:08 PM
There is no "debate".
If somebody wants to have an open and honest conversation about race, that's cool.
But, there are probably better forums out there for that. No need to get into it each time MU signs a white player, which seems to be the theme this summer.
there is certainly a debate about the players coach k will and won't recruit.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:56:57 PM
there is certainly a debate about the players coach k will and won't recruit.
...and what does that have to do with race?
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:40:34 PM
when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?
TEXAS WESTERN 1966
Quote from: Heisenberg on July 02, 2014, 01:39:14 PM
It does not work that way. You cannot hide players in other sports. He will transfer and sit out next year and count as BOTH a track and basketball scholarship.
Otherwise, most football teams could "hide" half their team with scholarships to the track team.
I think it works like this: if he's on the basketball team, he counts as a basketball scholarship and basically "walks on" to the track team, using no scholarship there. If he leaves the basketball team to focus on track, then he counts against track scholarships.
And I think the hierarchy is this: Football, then basketball, then everything else. So for example a guy like Julius Peppers took a football scholarship at UNC and "walked on" to the basketball team, not using up a scholarship there. But he could not do the reverse.
I could be wrong though.
Had Kentucky not hit a lucky 25 foot 3 to beat UW, the badgers may have won this year. A Kentucky with about 7 McD All Americans. College basketball is largely a 3 point shooting contest. High majority of the top teams shoot the 3 very well.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball
But[ler] they can get to back to back runner ups which I'll still take as a good step.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 01:59:08 PM
...and what does that have to do with race?
jalen rose felt it did. not saying he was correct, but the debate is certainly there.
I'm sure Wally transferring on a basketball scholarship will have the Vadger faithful foaming at the mouth. Good for them!
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on July 02, 2014, 01:52:08 PM
There is no "debate".
If somebody wants to have an open and honest conversation about race, that's cool.
But, there are probably better forums out there for that. No need to get into it each time MU signs a white player, which seems to be the thmeme this summer.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:56:57 PM
there is certainly a debate about the players coach k will and won't recruit.
Honestly, I had no idea that there was such a debate, but assuming there is, I would still suggest that there are better forums (both virtual and real-life) to discuss that topic.
We don't need to rehash or allude to this kind of stuff each time MU signs another player.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:40:34 PM
when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?
Win? Probably been awhile but majority white teams have been runners up quite a few times and that's something I'll still take.
I mean if you and thatdude thought about it like "hey what if these guys turned out to be a team of Bird, jimmer, Mcdermott, stockton, Nash, etc" Then I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining. But instead you're choosing to think of it as a team of Jake thomas.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 02:10:42 PM
jalen rose felt it did. not saying he was correct, but the debate is certainly there.
Then maybe take that to a Jalen Rose or even a Duke forum?
I think it's a big stretch to bring it here.
Bo has to be positively squirming in Madison. He loved recruiting against Buzz because the lying creep wouldn't go after state kids. All of a sudden Wojo will be kicking Bo's butt in getting those kids to Wells Street. And you gotta think Diener's presence will help, too.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:40:34 PM
when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?
That sound you hear is everyone running to scour Duke's media guide.
Quote from: ecompt on July 02, 2014, 02:24:21 PM
Bo has to be positively squirming in Madison. He loved recruiting against Buzz because the lying creep wouldn't go after state kids. All of a sudden Wojo will be kicking Bo's butt in getting those kids to Wells Street. And you gotta think Diener's presence will help, too.
That's not precisely true. Buzz stole Vander away.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on July 02, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
I'm sure Wally transferring on a basketball scholarship will have the Vadger faithful foaming at the mouth. Good for them!
They already are. What's great, they call it a scuzzy move. What's ever greater, if Henry comes to MU basically they are saying Henry and family are "scuzzy" for going along with it. Classic.
They haven't yet attacked Henry's dad or mom, but considering they have attacked Wes's mom, Travis's uncle, Vander's dad, Maymon's dad, and this week Duane's dad...I have no doubt it's coming. Just waiting to see if Breadtree or others with their moral superiority they exude here can police their own. Crickets.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 01:40:34 PM
when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?
Honestly, I had to look it up because I don't care or pay attention to what color a team is. I don't give a crap, can the players play or not.
But, in looking it up, Duke, a few years ago and they beat Butler, another predominantly white team. Wisconsin missed playing for it all just a few months ago because Kentucky hit a shot with less than 6 seconds left.
It seems people are making this assumption based on what you see from skin color, not on ability. Imagine how many people 15 years ago would say an African American can't win the majority of the time at golf. It's about ability. Sports is a the true meritocracy.
Even though Michigan lost last year they had a bunch of white boys. Two of which were just drafted in the first round
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 02:41:28 PM
They already are. What's great, they call it a scuzzy move. What's ever greater, if Henry comes to MU basically they are saying Henry and family are "scuzzy" for going along with it. Classic.
They haven't yet attacked Henry's dad or mom, but considering they have attacked Wes's mom, Travis's uncle, Vander's dad, Maymon's dad, and this week Duane's dad...I have no doubt it's coming. Just waiting to see if Breadtree or others with their moral superiority they exude here can police their own. Crickets.
That's the Vadgers, forever classy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NytGbkU3aQM
All I know is that Deonte's gonna have some competition in the dunk contest now! Wally even does the signature reverse cradle, and he even did just about the same dunk that won Deonte the dunk competition this past season.
Wally gets up real nice, but Deonte always threatens to tear the rim off with his finishes.
Quote from: ecompt on July 02, 2014, 02:24:21 PM
Bo has to be positively squirming in Madison. He loved recruiting against Buzz because the lying creep wouldn't go after state kids. All of a sudden Wojo will be kicking Bo's butt in getting those kids to Wells Street. And you gotta think Diener's presence will help, too.
I, too, hope Wojo kicks Bo's butt, but saying Buzz wouldn't go after in state kids is inaccurate. He signed Vander Blue, Jeronne Maymon, Deonte Burton, Duane Wilson, Jameel McKay, Sandy Cohen and Nick Noskowiak. Jake Thomas, Jamil Wilson and Luke Fischer transferred here and we offered but missed out on others. He didn't go after EVERY in state guy, but he went after (and signed) quite a few.
Quote from: Bricky on July 02, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
Sounds a lot like Juan Anderson.
Does Juan also have a younger brother being recruited by Duke?
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 02, 2014, 02:37:23 PM
That's not precisely true. Buzz stole Vander away.
And Maymon, though less of a steal than Vander. And Burton. And Wilson.
No idea how high the bad-gers were on them.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Duke 2010
Are we done with this stupid debate now?
Yea you added the 6 white NON scholarship bench warming walk ons.. way to go buddy
Is it to late for him to sign up for pro am. Watching the video made me think of Joe Fulce before the knee cap injury.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 04:05:25 PM
Yea you added the 6 white NON scholarship bench warming walk ons.. way to go buddy
I invite you to read the thread I made particularly for your view.
LOL! All of you that are saying that DUKE'S 2010 championship team was majority white is insane...I literally can't stop laughing. If you add all the NON scholie white bench warmers! Im not gonna give yall that!
This thread is embarassing. If you need to talk race, go to the Superbar or some place else.
Welcome aboard Wally, that's all that matters.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 04:05:25 PM
Yea you added the 6 white NON scholarship bench warming walk ons.. way to go buddy
Jon Scheyer, leading scorer at 18.2 points per game
Kyle Singler, second leading scorer at 17.7 PPG and leading rebounder
Brian Zoubek, 4th leading scorer
Miles Plumlee, 5th leading scorer
Mason Plumlee, 7th leading scorer
Ryan Kelly also off the bench
You may want to try again. You may also want to look at their opponent in the finals that game, Butler.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 04:12:32 PM
LOL! All of you that are saying that DUKE'S 2010 championship team was majority white is insane...im literally can't stop laughing. If you add all the NON scholie white bench warmers! Im not gonna give yall that!
Put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Imagine people here were clamoring for more white players. How would you feel about that? Now look at what you are saying. Try to make an honest effort to tell us why your opinion isn't hideously racist.
Quote from: ecompt on July 02, 2014, 02:24:21 PM
Bo has to be positively squirming in Madison. He loved recruiting against Buzz because the lying creep wouldn't go after state kids. All of a sudden Wojo will be kicking Bo's butt in getting those kids to Wells Street. And you gotta think Diener's presence will help, too.
Eh, what? Vander, Maymon, Burton, Du. Wilson, J. Wilson, Noskowiak, Cohen....
Buzz didn't recruit state kids?
Quote from: MDMU04 on July 02, 2014, 04:18:17 PM
Put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Imagine people here were clamoring for more white players. How would you feel about that? Now look at what you are saying. Try to make an honest effort to tell us why your opinion isn't hideously racist.
Shhh, some people can't be racist. Haven't you heard.
The funny part, if he actually went and looked at the top 7 scorers on that team, he might walk back his comments. Something tells me he won't do that, but fortunately it was provided for him.
Ugh I guess my effort to make a thread where this could all get put to rest failed. :-[
At the end of the day im a marquette fan and im gonna cheer for my team regardless. I just dont think we'll be relevent with these players that wojo is recruiting.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 04:28:24 PM
At the end of the day im a marquette fan and im gonna cheer for my team regardless. I just dont think we'll be relevent with these players that wojo is recruiting.
Because they're white or because they're unranked?
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 01:32:17 PM
Whether I made a racial generalization or not would you mind challenging the fact or nah?
Challenged and defeated.
(http://archives.library.wisc.edu/uw-archives/exhibits/images/basketball/teaml.jpg)
Quote from: Benny B on July 02, 2014, 04:57:30 PM
Challenged and defeated.
(http://archives.library.wisc.edu/uw-archives/exhibits/images/basketball/teaml.jpg)
#35 looks 50 years old
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 02, 2014, 05:00:02 PM
#35 looks 50 years old
Yep... he was the "non-traditional" on that team.
Love the shoes. They could go from the boxing ring to the hard court with those things.
So.... Not to interrupt the whole matter of whether or not race determines basketball talent/intelligence and/or recruiting rankings determine win/loss record, but...
When does Henry plan on making his college decision? Is it to be this summer or the fall?
How many open scholarships do we have available right now? 1?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on July 02, 2014, 05:17:14 PM
So.... Not to interrupt the whole matter of whether or not race determines basketball talent/intelligence and/or recruiting rankings determine win/loss record, but...
When does Henry plan on making his college decision? Is it to be this summer or the fall?
How many open scholarships do we have available right now? 1?
I believe two left.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 02:46:46 PM
Honestly, I had to look it up because I don't care or pay attention to what color a team is. I don't give a crap, can the players play or not.
But, in looking it up, Duke, a few years ago and they beat Butler, another predominantly white team. Wisconsin missed playing for it all just a few months ago because Kentucky hit a shot with less than 6 seconds left.
It seems people are making this assumption based on what you see from skin color, not on ability. Imagine how many people 15 years ago would say an African American can't win the majority of the time at golf. It's about ability. Sports is a the true meritocracy.
no one (in their right mind) would disagree, but just from a numbers standpoint...supply and demand...the numbers are interesting.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on July 02, 2014, 05:17:14 PM
So.... Not to interrupt the whole matter of whether or not race determines basketball talent/intelligence and/or recruiting rankings determine win/loss record, but...
When does Henry plan on making his college decision? Is it to be this summer or the fall?
How many open scholarships do we have available right now? 1?
I put a link up a few days ago, he says he will trim his list in the Fall.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2014, 05:27:23 PM
no one (in their right mind) would disagree, but just from a numbers standpoint...supply and demand...the numbers are interesting.
Honestly the only time I've cared is with UW-madison and that is much more about Madison's BS about being progressive and the holier-than-thou pontification, when Madison is one of the most lily-white cities I've ever been too. So it comes across as funny more than anything as they preach one thing, but look something totally different.
What bothers me with ThatDude's comments is that they are racial in nature, quite frankly. I'll have to go back into the search function, but I thought it was him or someone else here that was all bent on people here for not wanting Cuonzo Martin as coach and "the card" was played as a result. The implication that some didn't want him for such reasons. The great irony, of course, is the people that didn't want Martin were ecstatic to have Shaka Smart as head coach, whom last I checked doesn't look like Red Auerbach. Yet that didn't stop this person (again, I'll have to check who it was) from playing "that card".
Fast forward to the last few weeks when some of the recruits landed don't fit their idea of what a basketball player is supposed to look like, there's no problem throwing "the card" around. Then I read ancillary things here like certain folks can't be racist because they are not in a privileged class and exempt...sorry, but anyone can be racist, intentionally or unintentionally. I don't think it was necessarily with malice, but the point is that the card is used way too much in society and at times seems to be used by folks that don't even know they are using it in the reverse.
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
Silly darn decision. Doesn't he realize that Richard Pitino is an ESPN top 50 coach?
Quote from: MDMU04 on July 02, 2014, 04:18:17 PM
Put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Imagine people here were clamoring for more white players. How would you feel about that? Now look at what you are saying. Try to make an honest effort to tell us why your opinion isn't hideously racist.
That's precisely what Chicos started doing 4 years ago.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 05:51:40 PM
Honestly the only time I've cared is with UW-madison and that is much more about Madison's BS about being progressive and the holier-than-thou pontification, when Madison is one of the most lily-white cities I've ever been too. So it comes across as funny more than anything as they preach one thing, but look something totally different.
What bothers me with ThatDude's comments is that they are racial in nature, quite frankly. I'll have to go back into the search function, but I thought it was him or someone else here that was all bent on people here for not wanting Cuonzo Martin as coach and "the card" was played as a result. The implication that some didn't want him for such reasons. The great irony, of course, is the people that didn't want Martin were ecstatic to have Shaka Smart as head coach, whom last I checked doesn't look like Red Auerbach. Yet that didn't stop this person (again, I'll have to check who it was) from playing "that card".
Fast forward to the last few weeks when some of the recruits landed don't fit their idea of what a basketball player is supposed to look like, there's no problem throwing "the card" around. Then I read ancillary things here like certain folks can't be racist because they are not in a privileged class and exempt...sorry, but anyone can be racist, intentionally or unintentionally. I don't think it was necessarily with malice, but the point is that the card is used way too much in society and at times seems to be used by folks that don't even know they are using it in the reverse.
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
It was a different poster, unless he changed his name for the second time.
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball
No, but they can play in the NCAA championship game in back to back years.
I've always said that the MU coach needs to get:
a) the best player (or two) from Wisconsin each year
b) one of the top 5 from Chicago
c) top 100 from the rest of US/Canada to fill in position needs
... and that this would be a winning combo.
Wojo has locked up the first item... with Cohen, Burton, Fischer, and Duane (and now Ellenson) PLUS Flory and Noskowiak.
Chicago - Taylor / Levin
The rest - we'll see... not a lot of remaining position needs with the group he has recruited!
Nice job Wojo!
Quote from: ThatDude on July 02, 2014, 04:28:24 PM
At the end of the day im a marquette fan and im gonna cheer for my team regardless. I just dont think we'll be relevent with these players that wojo is recruiting.
You are a racist that should be banned immediately. You make generalizations based on race without taking into account skills or character. You are assuming that since wojo is a clean cut white boy from duke that he won't recruit black kids. This is the same coach that convinced all the black players on our team to stay despite many of them planning to leave when buzz was here. He also convinced Cohen to stay with the team. Yes, he made the mistake of signing some highly touted white guys but have you noticed the majority of our outstanding offers are to black kids? What makes you think that this is becoming an all white team?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on July 02, 2014, 02:41:28 PM
You are a racist that should be banned immediately. You make generalizations based on race without taking into account skills or character. You are assuming that since wojo is a clean cut white boy from duke that he won't recruit black kids. This is the same coach that convinced all the black players on our team to stay despite many of them planning to leave when buzz was here. He also convinced Cohen to stay with the team. Yes, he made the mistake of signing some highly touted white guys but have you noticed the majority of our outstanding offers are to black kids? What makes you think that this is becoming an all white team?
Amen.
Just read the Rodent board. The thing that irked me the most though was being called a mid major over and over again.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 02, 2014, 05:00:02 PM
#35 looks 50 years old
That's what PEDs will do to ya, hey?
Guess this means we have the inroads for Henry. Still don't like the play of two scholarships with one low D1 talent to land one star. Though it's not like it's an impossible burden to not have 13 top 100 recruits on the roster, so I will deal.
Quote from: chapman on July 02, 2014, 08:00:33 PM
Guess this means we have the inroads for Henry. Still don't like the play of two scholarships with one low D1 talent to land one star. Though it's not like it's an impossible burden to not have 13 top 100 recruits on the roster, so I will deal.
Wally is better than his stats show from Minnesota.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on July 02, 2014, 07:32:07 PM
Just read the Rodent board. The thing that irked me the most though was being called a mid major over and over again.
The clueless will often post stupid things.
The argument must be that any school without a football team is a mid major.....even though MU has better facilities, spends more on hoops, has better attendance and has had more success in mens basketball then most schools with high major football programs.
I mean the argument is so dumb it is hardly worth responding to......
"we lost a recruit.....Man I hate those mid major scumbags at Marquette!" Well done....very impressive.....
They just can't stand the idea that every kid in this state doesn't grow up wanting to go to UW.......it really is sad....
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 08:01:52 PM
Wally is better than his stats show from Minnesota.
I guess we are going to find out...but even if he isn't lots of recruits don't work out.....kind of like the NFL/NBA draft.....
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 08:01:52 PM
Wally is better than his stats show from Minnesota.
He's played 110 total minutes in 2 years. He'll have to be better to make a contribution.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 08:01:52 PM
Wally is better than his stats show from Minnesota.
If he can produce a Dan Fitzgerald-level of impact as a transfer-in that will be enough to satisfy me.
Quote from: MuMark on July 02, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
They just can't stand the idea that every kid in this state doesn't grow up wanting to go to UW.......it really is sad....
That's Vadger arrogance for ya.
are there really any bigger turd fans in basketball than badger fans?
- Mocking the Heldt commit - really? Where did Kaminsky come from? How was he rated in high school? Well, I guess they would know the downside with Anderson, Markhoff and Gavinski
- Trashing parents of MU players - real class...
- The inferiority complex from being a good program just since 2000 really trips them up.
Have some class Bucky fans...
Quote from: MuMark on July 02, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
The clueless will often post stupid things.
The argument must be that any school without a football team is a mid major.....even though MU has better facilities, spends more on hoops, has better attendance and has had more success in mens basketball then most schools with high major football programs.
I mean the argument is so dumb it is hardly worth responding to......
"we lost a recruit.....Man I hate those mid major scumbags at Marquette!" Well done....very impressive.....
They just can't stand the idea that every kid in this state doesn't grow up wanting to go to UW.......it really is sad....
I would respond better to a haiku or large format images of Israeli military women included in the message (forgive me for typing this from my large unsustainable house)....
Quote from: keefe on July 02, 2014, 10:26:49 PM
Physician heal thyself!
Quote from: T-Bone on July 02, 2014, 03:31:52 PM
And Maymon, though less of a steal than Vander. And Burton. And Wilson.
No idea how high the bad-gers were on them.
Funny how MU lands the non-white players. ;)
I don't care if we land the aliens from Space Jam, as long as we win the damn championship!!!
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on July 02, 2014, 07:32:07 PM
Just read the Rodent board. The thing that irked me the most though was being called a mid major over and over again.
Well, most of them would know....keep in mind that half of them went to UW Waukesha, Osh Kosh, Marathon County or Stout.
It must irk them that they are losing recruits to a mid major.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on July 02, 2014, 10:16:20 PM
are there really any bigger turd fans in basketball than badger fans?
- Mocking the Heldt commit - really? Where did Kaminsky come from? How was he rated in high school? Well, I guess they would know the downside with Anderson, Markhoff and Gavinski
- Trashing parents of MU players - real class...
- The inferiority complex from being a good program just since 2000 really trips them up.
Have some class Bucky fans...
Bucky fans define success as D-1 success.
That's where it ends for them.
MU fans define success as D-1
AND NBA success.
And that's why we're a better program.
Wisconsin actives in the NBA:
Devin Harris (Unrestricted FA)
Marcus Landry (Also UFA)
Greg Stiemsma (Also UFA)
Jon Leuer (Under contract)
This list might shrink to 1 or 2 from the mighty Wisconsin bkb program.
The system is good enough for NCAAs but it won't land you in the NBA.
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Dwyane Wade - UFA
(sorry, I had to)
the Urinal Sentinel coverage:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/minnesotas-wally-ellenson-transfers-to-marquette-after-visiting-with-brother-b99303855z1-265631851.html
Minnesota's Wally Ellenson transfers to Marquette after visiting with brother
Minnesota swingman Wally Ellenson of Rice Lake has transferred to Marquette and will have two years of eligibility remaining after sitting out this season.
Which raises the question: Will Wally's brother, Henry, eventually follow him to Marquette?
Henry Ellenson, a five-star prospect, is a 6-foot-9 power forward going into his senior season at Rice Lake High School. He is being recruited by most of the major powers, including Duke, North Carolina and UCLA.
"I'd love to play with my brother," Wally Ellenson said. "He's a very good player. But I'm a brother first. I made my decision and now he's got to make his. It would be great if we were at the same school, but he's got to look at all his opportunities and go from there."
As for Wally Ellenson, the 6-foot-6 shooting guard/small forward was known more for his track and field career with the Gophers.
He is a two-time All-American in the high jump and was runner-up in the event at the 2014 NCAA Division I Outdoor Track and Field Championships. His personal-best performance of 7 feet 41/2 inches at the national meet was the second-best outdoor mark in Minnesota history.
As a basketball player, Wally Ellenson came off the bench 18 times during two seasons with the Gophers. Last season, he averaged 2 points and 0.8 rebounds.
"Basketball is my first passion," he said. "It's what I do. Track is secondary. I'm pretty good at it, but basketball is my thing. I wasn't getting the opportunity I thought I deserved at Minnesota, so I decided to go somewhere else.
"Marquette is a great fit for me. I trust the coaching staff to coach me up and help me fit into the season."
The brothers both visited Marquette last weekend. It didn't take long for Wally Ellenson to settle on the Golden Eagles and new coach Steve Wojciechowski.
"The visit went a lot better than I expected," Wally Ellenson said. "The coaching staff played at a very high level, and I can learn from what they did. I'm excited for the chance to learn from them and play for them.
"I can see Coach Wojo's vision of winning a national championship. He's very dedicated to it. As a player, that's what you want to be a part of. It was an easy decision to reach."
Ellenson said he would participate in outdoor meets with the Marquette track team after the basketball season if track does not interfere with off-season basketball workouts.
Ellenson is the third player to transfer to Marquette since Wojciechowski's arrival on April 1. Former Brigham Young point guard Matt Carlino will play this season as a graduate student. Former Loyola Marymount forward Gabe Levin and Ellenson will join the squad the following season.
"We are thrilled to welcome Wally to the Marquette men's basketball family," Wojciechowski said. "Wally is a young man of outstanding character. He is an elite-level athlete and adds talent, athleticism and competitive spirit to our basketball team. We are extremely excited about the impact he will have at Marquette."
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on July 02, 2014, 07:32:07 PM
Just read the Rodent board. The thing that irked me the most though was being called a mid major over and over again.
Final Four Appearance Scoreboard Since 2000Mid-Majors: 15* (MU '03, UCONN '04, GMU '06, GTown '07, Memphis* '08, UCONN/NOVA '09, BU '10, UCONN/BU/VCU '11, Louis '12, Louis/Wichita St '13, UCONN '14)
Bucky: 2
Big Ten: 12
*Vacated
Championships Since 2000Mid-Majors: 4 (UCONN '04, UCONN '11, Louisville '13, UCONN '14)
Big Ten: 1 (Moo U '00)
"But Benny, UCONN and Louisville aren't mid-majors, blah, blah, blah"
Answer: By either standard, if MU is considered mid-major, so are Louisville and UCONN:
Current Conference Affiliation: The American Conference is no "higher" than the Big East. Case in point: UCONN on-going begging into the Big East.
Historical Conference Affiliation: Louisville and MU were in the same conference for 17 years. UCONN, Nova and Georgetown were together even longer.
Ipso facto, Mid-Major > Big Ten > Bucky
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2014, 10:45:59 PM
Well, most of them would know....keep in mind that half of them went to UW Waukesha, Osh Kosh, Marathon County or Stout.
Look at Chicos!!! Being all witty and funny for once.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 08:01:52 PM
Wally is better than his stats show from Minnesota.
Gopher fans weren't shocked or concerned that he left. if anything, it opened up a scholly. Glad he's at MU. Hope he helps the team. But hope he helps recruit Henry more than anything.
I put this in another thread but I don't know who reads what around here. I earlier mentioned that I had heard from a coach recruiting Ellenson (not MU) that MU, NW and Duke were his top 3 and that UW was out. I heard today that he feels the Wally signing has wrapped it up and that Henry is a MU lock. Now I would never pull a #DoneDeal on this as this is just one man's opinion (though a very educated opinion). His exact words were..."this is a package deal". I guess we will see. I have seen too many recruits change their mind to put a "sure thing" label on this (including one of MU's all time favorite players, who had made up his mind to go to a rival school but changed the night before his announcement) but it looks promising at this point.
Quote from: Chucklehead on July 03, 2014, 07:47:24 AM
But I'm a brother first.
I thought Ellenson was a white dude?
Quote from: keefe on July 03, 2014, 11:11:46 AM
I thought Ellenson was a white dude?
Shhh. Don't tell ThatDude. He might absolutely lose his mind.
Quote from: Chucklehead on July 03, 2014, 07:47:24 AM
Ellenson said he would participate in outdoor meets with the Marquette track team after the basketball season if track does not interfere with off-season basketball workouts.
I love that line. Basically saying "sure, if I can find the time, I will give the school a chance at an individual NCAA championship"
Quote from: Benny B on July 03, 2014, 09:51:45 AM
Look at Chicos!!! Being all witty and funny for once.
Wit is the lowest form of humor.
Alexander Pope
Quote from: Bricky on July 02, 2014, 11:33:14 PM
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Quote from: LittleMurs on July 03, 2014, 02:47:35 PM
You don't, it's not an option. If you ever see a nm which stands for no message, then the poster decided after posting to erase.
And all this time I thought people were just showing their love for New Mexico like it was some sort of meme.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 03, 2014, 12:16:18 PM
Wit is the lowest form of humor.
Alexander Pope
Also
To err is human to forgive divine.
Quote from: LittleMurs on July 03, 2014, 02:47:35 PM
You don't, it's not an option. If you ever see a nm which stands for no message, then the poster decided after posting to erase.
I thought it was Never Mind.
NM
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I found a post about Wally Ellensen on a Track & Field message board from May:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5793487&page=1
They cannot believe how good a high jumper he is on little to no practice. Some argued he would be world championship caliber and make millions if he focused on high jumping.
Then the conversation turned to what is the high jump world record for someone who played basketball (college any level or pros).
Some examples they found.
Wilt Chamberlain 6-6
Bill Russell 6-9
2012 NBA slam dunk champion Jeremy Evans 6-10
Mason Plummle jumped 6'8 in high school
Rodney Carney jumped 6'11 in high school (mom was a world class sprinter)
Bob McAdoo jumped 6'7 in 1970
Jeff Trepagnier jumped 7'1 at USC
Best football player jump they found was Herman Moore at 7-3 in college.
The best overall was 1996 tOSU bball captain Otis Winston who also cleared 7-4.5 (at the 96 Olympic trials) for a school record. Winston also played professionally in Russia.
http://www.ovac.org/HallOfFame/Details/124
So while no one keeps such a record, Wally Ellensen jump last month of 7-4.5 to get second at NCAA Outdoor equaled the best ever jump by a basketball player in world history! He has two years to break it.
Hopefully this puts into context how good he is, especially for someone who does not really practice it.
Kammron Taylor was also in the D League.
I've heard from a couple of people here in Madison that Bo gave NBA scouts bad reviews on some of his own players (poor work ethic, etc.). I have no idea why. Also heard Hughes told Vander not to come to UW if he wanted to play in the NBA on his official visit. UW is not a pipeline for the NBA, sorry.
Pretty sure someone was being facetious about Ellwood, but he wouldn't have much of a shot IMHO to contribute at MU. Wally on the other hand ...