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I feel like the '90's needs some recognition. 

Let's see...do I want the foul-mouthed heavy drinker or ........wait a minute.   Ummmmmm....

Speaking of Mike Deane, whatever happened to Mike Deane's Dark Glasses? Came in averaging over 50 posts a day and dropped off the board completely? Oh btw, I toss Deane. I think O'Neil would be fun to bs with after a couple...think he probably really unwinds and gives some pretty funny sound bites   ;D

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 09, 2014, 05:30:28 PM
Speaking of Mike Deane, whatever happened to Mike Deane's Dark Glasses? Came in averaging over 50 posts a day and dropped off the board completely? Oh btw, I toss Deane. I think O'Neil would be fun to bs with after a couple...think he probably really unwinds and gives some pretty funny sound bites   ;D

Last post was May 11, last active May 12.  Kinda strange that someone would be that addicted to scoop and just drop off.  Maybe he just has a rocking social life when the school year isn't going on. 

Was Deane really more of a lush than KO?

I think I'd drink it all and throw myself to the sharks.

Quote from: tower912 on June 09, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
Let's see...do I want the foul-mouthed heavy drinker or ........wait a minute.   Ummmmmm....

No you pitch the womanizing foul-mouthed heavy drinker...oh, hang on...

Can't wait for the Thrown Overboard - 70's Edition pitting Al and Hank in a fight to the re-death-after-resurrection!

 Who would be less capable of drinking the ocean? I feel that this is environmentally irresponsible.

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on June 09, 2014, 07:05:36 PM
Was Deane really more of a lush than KO?

I think I'd drink it all and throw myself to the sharks.

KO binged at everything - drinking, running, whatever. Mike was more of a maintenance drinker - could (and often would) drink beer all night, but I never saw him hit the hard stuff. They were both interesting guys. It's been my good fortune to spend time with every MU coach other than Dukiet and Wojo from Al on. Enjoyed them all except TC.

I will never forget how arrogantly O'Neill left MU for Tennessee with his this program "is not Duke, not North Carolina" b.s.  He always was condescending towards fans who actually wanted us to beat UW more than any other opponent.  And he was at MU when we were newby's to conference play.  We were in the MCC and Great Midwest for gosh sake, of course UW was the most emotional game on the schedule back then.  Then his other infamous remark about puking if he sees Bo Ellis cutting the net down one more time on film.

I think he still is pretty arrogant, but it's such sweet irony that MU not only put him on the coaching map, but far and away where his greatest success was in coaching.  He pretty much stunk everywhere else.

Thanks God Cords pulled the plug on Mike Deane before he brought a seatbelt to his bench chair.  Man, our program would have never lived that embarrassment down.  

Anyone remember O'Neill would take live calls on the WISN post-game show?!?  I always tuned in to see how p*ssed off someone's question would get him. 

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 09, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
I will never forget how arrogantly O'Neill left MU for Tennessee with his this program "is not Duke, not North Carolina" b.s.  He always was condescending towards fans who actually wanted us to beat UW more than any other opponent.  And he was at MU when we were newby's to conference play.  We were in the MCC and Great Midwest for gosh sake, of course UW was the most emotional game on the schedule back then.  Then his other infamous remark about puking if he sees Bo Ellis cutting the net down one more time on film.

I think he still is pretty arrogant, but it's such sweet irony that MU not only put him on the coaching map, but far and away where his greatest success was in coaching.  He pretty much stunk everywhere else.

Could you elaborate more?  I was 3 so I wouldn't know and nobody ever really explained the situation around him leaving.  Obviously it made some sense to go to the SEC due to our conference at the time but could you be more specific about his remarks?

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 09, 2014, 09:28:44 PM
Could you elaborate more?  I was 3 so I wouldn't know and nobody ever really explained the situation around him leaving.  Obviously it made some sense to go to the SEC due to our conference at the time but could you be more specific about his remarks?

He didn't think MU was a big time program, and pretty much mocked fans who did in his parting remarks as he left Milwaukee for Knoxville.  Pretty much simple as that.  That was pre Al McGuire Center, they were still practicing in the ancient Old Gym, so I think he just saw decrepid old facilities among other things, and was dying to leave town.  And he struck while the iron was hot, he had just taken MU to their deepest NCAA run since 1977.  He was a hot name, and was gone I think within about 1-2 days after they lost to Duke, ironically, in Knoxville TN. 

That was before Conference USA was put together too.  The Great Midwest Conference was OK, but small, and wasn't going anywhere.  So circa 1994, he may not have been completely off base in his assessment of the program, but it was his condescending attitude.  That and he never embraced the MU tradition.  He paid lip service to it, and that was it.  And he came off as begrudgingly giving it lip service even. 

Obviously you throw both off.  Do you know how long a three hour your can take?  And I've only got two cases to work with?

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 09, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
He didn't think MU was a big time program, and pretty much mocked fans who did in his parting remarks as he left Milwaukee for Knoxville.  Pretty much simple as that.  That was pre Al McGuire Center, they were still practicing in the ancient Old Gym, so I think he just saw decrepid old facilities among other things, and was dying to leave town.  And he struck while the iron was hot, he had just taken MU to their deepest NCAA run since 1977.  He was a hot name, and was gone I think within about 1-2 days after they lost to Duke, ironically, in Knoxville TN. 

That was before Conference USA was put together too.  The Great Midwest Conference was OK, but small, and wasn't going anywhere.  So circa 1994, he may not have been completely off base in his assessment of the program, but it was his condescending attitude.  That and he never embraced the MU tradition.  He paid lip service to it, and that was it.  And he came off as begrudgingly giving it lip service even. 

Interesting, really funny change when you hear him as a television commentator on the games now.  It's almost like he's trying to suck up to us now.  I guess there's some stuff you can't learn by just analyzing the numbers or memorizing records from years and a person's attitude is one of them. 

I would take KO for hours. Who can ever forget the youtube video in a bar with a drunk KO with the wife and an Arizona fan. Youtube pulled the video years ago.
http://www.themarchtomadness.com/2011/03/oneill-to-be-fired-over-altercation-with-arizona-fan.html
http://sportsrip2.blogspot.com/2011/03/strange-basketball-odyssey-of-kevin.html

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 09, 2014, 05:30:28 PM
Speaking of Mike Deane, whatever happened to Mike Deane's Dark Glasses? Came in averaging over 50 posts a day and dropped off the board completely? Oh btw, I toss Deane. I think O'Neil would be fun to bs with after a couple...think he probably really unwinds and gives some pretty funny sound bites   ;D

Chicos realized his posting record was in jeopardy and sent someone to take care of it

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 09, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
I will never forget how arrogantly O'Neill left MU for Tennessee with his this program "is not Duke, not North Carolina" b.s.  He always was condescending towards fans who actually wanted us to beat UW more than any other opponent.  And he was at MU when we were newby's to conference play.  We were in the MCC and Great Midwest for gosh sake, of course UW was the most emotional game on the schedule back then.  Then his other infamous remark about puking if he sees Bo Ellis cutting the net down one more time on film.

I think he still is pretty arrogant, but it's such sweet irony that MU not only put him on the coaching map, but far and away where his greatest success was in coaching.  He pretty much stunk everywhere else.

Then again, he was the guy who recruited Hutch...

Quote from: LittleMurs on June 10, 2014, 06:50:03 AM
Then again, he was the guy who recruited Hutch...

Absolutely, and I respect what he accomplished at MU, he just acted like an a-hole sometimes during and especially immediately following his move from MU.  Deane lived off of his recruiting through the 1997 season.  Then the well dried up when Deane had to play with his own recruits.  Wardle was the only high level recruit he brought in and some just didn't belong at all in the high D-1 level.

Quote from: LittleMurs on June 10, 2014, 06:50:03 AM
Then again, he was the guy who recruited Hutch...

good point ... KO left a number of fine departing gifts in Hutch, Pieper, Faisal and Crawford (among others)

KO was a unique guy and I liked him a great deal. No doubt his calls after the games were priceless.

I got to spend some time with Kevin when he was at Northwestern and found him to be a fun guy to talk to.

And I appreciate the way he helped our program after the Dukiet disaster.

But Marquette was never, ever, ever going to be more than a pit stop for him.

As was everywhere else he called home.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 10, 2014, 10:34:17 AM
As was everywhere else he called home.

Folks say KO was never much on thinking.
Spent most of his time chasing women and drinking.

I enjoyed his commentary on FS1 this year.

During the first MU game he worked, O'Neil commented on his time at MU and his relationship with Cords very favorably.  In hindsight, I think he now knows how good of a deal he had at MU, and if he could do it over, he might re-think his leaving MU so hastily.

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 09, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
He didn't think MU was a big time program, and pretty much mocked fans who did in his parting remarks as he left Milwaukee for Knoxville.  Pretty much simple as that.  That was pre Al McGuire Center, they were still practicing in the ancient Old Gym, so I think he just saw decrepid old facilities among other things, and was dying to leave town.  And he struck while the iron was hot, he had just taken MU to their deepest NCAA run since 1977.  He was a hot name, and was gone I think within about 1-2 days after they lost to Duke, ironically, in Knoxville TN. 

That was before Conference USA was put together too.  The Great Midwest Conference was OK, but small, and wasn't going anywhere.  So circa 1994, he may not have been completely off base in his assessment of the program, but it was his condescending attitude.  That and he never embraced the MU tradition.  He paid lip service to it, and that was it.  And he came off as begrudgingly giving it lip service even. 

Don't forget Deane said it was hard to recruit kids to Milwaukee and Marquette's goal should be to make the tournament.

Quote from: Avenue Commons on June 10, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
Don't forget Deane said it was hard to recruit kids to Milwaukee and Marquette's goal should be to make the tournament.

Maybe it is going to be hard to recruit kids to Marquette? I hope not and I think we can. As much as I despise Brent right now, I won't deny the fact that he was a hell of a recruiter. I hope we have more to offer to land quality recruits than just that a$$hat!

Quote from: real chili 83 on June 10, 2014, 12:24:04 PM
I enjoyed his commentary on FS1 this year.

During the first MU game he worked, O'Neil commented on his time at MU and his relationship with Cords very favorably.  In hindsight, I think he now knows how good of a deal he had at MU, and if he could do it over, he might re-think his leaving MU so hastily.

There was a rumor that KO got cold feet about the Tennessee job but Marquette wouldn't have him back.

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 10, 2014, 09:16:49 PM
Maybe it is going to be hard to recruit kids to Marquette? I hope not and I think we can. As much as I despise Brent right now, I won't deny the fact that he was a hell of a recruiter. I hope we have more to offer to land quality recruits than just that a$$hat!

Williams had back-to-back top-15 classes and was closing in on a third. Al obviously recruited to Milwaukee well (in a different era). Majerus brought in Rivers and some other nice gets. And both O'Neill and Crean had some great classes.

It just takes the right recruiter. After what Williams did in that department, any coach from now on who whines about how tough it is to get kids to Milwaukee is just making excuses because he's not good enough to get it done.

Quote from: keefe on June 10, 2014, 12:19:43 PM
Folks say KO was never much on thinking.
Spent most of his time chasing women and drinking.

KO was a rollin' stone
Wherever he laid his hat was his home
And when he died
All he left us was alone

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 10, 2014, 09:16:49 PM
Maybe it is going to be hard to recruit kids to Marquette? I hope not and I think we can. As much as I despise Brent right now, I won't deny the fact that he was a hell of a recruiter. I hope we have more to offer to land quality recruits than just that a$$hat!

That "a$$hat" was the reason those players came here - many of them signed without ever setting foot in Milwaukee. Hopefully Wojo has that kind of charisma but it's not all that common - long drought between Al and Buzz.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 11, 2014, 08:40:26 AM
That "a$$hat" was the reason those players came here - many of them signed without ever setting foot in Milwaukee. Hopefully Wojo has that kind of charisma but it's not all that common - long drought between Al and Buzz.

I'm just curious who the 'many' are that signed without ever setting foot in Milwaukee? 

Seems we landed some other really good players in that long drought despite charisma, apparently.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 11, 2014, 08:40:26 AM
That "a$$hat" was the reason those players came here - many of them signed without ever setting foot in Milwaukee. Hopefully Wojo has that kind of charisma but it's not all that common - long drought between Al and Buzz.

Every coach has a certain charisma. And every coach is an as$hat in a certain way.

The guy before Buzz, whom you consider the most despicable human being in the world slightly ahead of Kim Jong-un, landed very talented basketball players. Just because it was a long drought for your giblets to be tickled doesn't make that the case for the people who actually matter in this discussion -- recruits.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 11, 2014, 08:40:26 AM
That "a$$hat" was the reason those players came here - many of them signed without ever setting foot in Milwaukee. Hopefully Wojo has that kind of charisma but it's not all that common - long drought between Al and Buzz.

A$$hats recruit kids everywhere.

You think kids dream of the wonders of Lawrence, Bloomington, Syracuse, Spokane, Storrs, Ames, Champaign, Manhattan (KS), etc., etc. A whole lotta towns with a whole lotta nothing going on.

One could argue quite nicely that Milwaukee -- with an NBA franchise and other pro sports, a large population, a decent music scene, great food, etc. -- is easily a more attractive place than those others.

But many of those others have "tradition"! True, but that didn't help Bobby Knight his last few years at IU, as recruits stayed away in droves from the A$$hat of all A$$hats. Tradition is built and fostered by coaches who know how to recruit. Al created a tradition out of almost nothing.

As for the drought between Al and Buzz, Crean brought in a future Hall of Famer, at least three other guys who will earn NBA pensions and several very talented contributors. And Crean was just an A$$hat assistant without a second of head-coaching experience and no playing career.

If Wojo leaves saying Marquette is too tough a place to recruit to, I'll be very disappointed because it will have meant we hired a coach who wasn't good enough.

MKE's weather sucks ass

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 11, 2014, 09:15:58 AM
MKE's weather sucks ass

True, but so do many places.  Madison's weather isn't any better, or Minneapolis, New York, Chicago, Ann Arbor, East Lansing, etc.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 11, 2014, 09:00:46 AM
I'm just curious who the 'many' are that signed without ever setting foot in Milwaukee? 

Seems we landed some other really good players in that long drought despite charisma, apparently.

JFB, Jae, DJO - do a search on Scoop and you'll find others.

Every coach between Al and Buzz had some charisma. Some, but not as much. And every coach between Al and Buzz signed some really good players (except for maybe Dukiet). Some, but not as many.

Nobody will displace Al as #1. Hopefully Wojo will replace Buzz as #2.

Back to the original subject, I have it on good authority that KO's a scotch drinker, so it's simple, toss dean, enjoy a few F-bombs with KO, and drink all the beer myself!

NB:  anything heavy and sinkable gets tied to dean when he gets tossed.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 11, 2014, 10:06:45 AM
JFB, Jae, DJO - do a search on Scoop and you'll find others.

Every coach between Al and Buzz had some charisma. Some, but not as much. And every coach between Al and Buzz signed some really good players (except for maybe Dukiet). Some, but not as many.

Nobody will displace Al as #1. Hopefully Wojo will replace Buzz as #2.

I'm of the opinion that charisma is in the eye of the beholder.  People make connections to other people all the time where others don't "get what that person sees in them".  This is human nature.  I find some politicians to be absolute frauds, while other people would lay their life down for them.  Same person, but one sees them differently than the other. This is no different for CEOs, coaches, managers, etc.

Yes, I'm aware of JFB and Jae, didn't think that was many.  Again, eye of the beholder.  TJ Taylor was another one, but he only lasted 8 weeks before leaving.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 11, 2014, 11:22:19 AM
I'm of the opinion that charisma is in the eye of the beholder.  People make connections to other people all the time where others don't "get what that person sees in them".  This is human nature.  I find some politicians to be absolute frauds, while other people would lay their life down for them.  Same person, but one sees them differently than the other. This is no different for CEOs, coaches, managers, etc.

Yes, I'm aware of JFB and Jae, didn't think that was many.  Again, eye of the beholder.  TJ Taylor was another one, but he only lasted 8 weeks before leaving.

I think you're wrong. Charisma is found in both the genuine and the frauds. You don't have to like a guy to be able to see something as obvious as that. I don't like John Edwards, for example, but to say he's without charisma would be foolish.

JFB, Jae, DJO, Taylor and others. Certainly falls into the category as many, especially if you're a guy who thinks a guy who commits multiple murders commits two.