https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/474536827211100160
Quote from: MUCrew on June 05, 2014, 08:12:06 AM
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/474536827211100160
Nice find.
For those who questioned what Wojo was doing with his time at the beginning of his tenure, here is a nice tidbit:
Quote"The main reason why I firmed back up is because of Coach Wo," he said. "They didn't recruit any other point guards when they got there. Coach Wo came to my high school three or four times, and he came to my home. From the first day he was hired, actually, I talked to him for about an hour and a half. I just developed a really good relationship with him and feel really comfortable with him, just a really good relationship."
Let's hope young Mr. Noskowiak is a great leader of men and can convince the mighty Henry to join him as a Warrior.
Noskowiak Recruiting Ellenson to Marquette
June 5th, 2014 8:59 am
By MATT JESSEN-HOWARD
Nick Noskowiak, a 6-foot-2 point guard from 2015 Sun Prairie (WI)/Playground Elite, committed to Marquette during the spring of his sophomore year, before Marquette even had a player committed from the 2014 class.
At the time, Buzz Williams was the head coach of the Golden Eagles. He had been recruiting the true point guard for a long time, and Williams's staff and Nowkowiak had built what seemed to be an unbreakable bond.
"The reason why I committed to Marquette in the first place was because of Buzz," Noskowiak told SNY.tv in an exclusive interview at EYBL Session 4. "I really like a lot of other things about Marquette, but he was the main reason."
But when Williams left Marquette to coach Virginia Tech, everything changed. Noskowiak "strongly considered" following Williams to Blacksburg, and took calls from Illinois, UNLV, Xavier and others, but ultimately decided he wanted to stay close to home.
"I felt that Virginia Tech was too far," he said. "I wanted to stay in state."
On April 1, Steve Wojciechowski was hired at Marquette, and Wojciechowski gave Noskowiak a call that night.
Once again, Marquette's staff and Noskowiak seemed perfect for each other.
"The main reason why I firmed back up is because of Coach Wo," he said. "They didn't recruit any other point guards when they got there. Coach Wo came to my high school three or four times, and he came to my home. From the first day he was hired, actually, I talked to him for about an hour and a half. I just developed a really good relationship with him and feel really comfortable with him, just a really good relationship.
"Wojciechowski played my position at the highest level. He helped coach the USA team with Coach [Mike] Krzyzewski. Coach [Brett] Nelson played my position at the highest level for Florida. Coach [Justin] Gainey played my position at the highest level at N.C. State. They give me the best chance to be successful."
Noskowiak is now focused on helping recruit more talent to join him at Marquette. His biggest priority? Four-star power forward Henry Ellenson, who is also being recruited by Duke, UCLA, North Carolina, Michigan State, Iowa State and others.
"I'm helping recruit others," he said. "Obviously, I'd love to play with Big Henry. I give them their space, though. I don't try to push it upon them, but I let Henry know every day that I'd like to play with him."
With or without Henry, Noskowiak is excited for the future ahead.
"I'm looking forward to it," he said. "Marquette fans should be excited."
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 05, 2014, 08:25:05 AM
Nice find.
For those who questioned what Wojo was doing with his time at the beginning of his tenure, here is a nice tidbit:
Let's hope young Mr. Noskowiak is a great leader of men and can convince the mighty Henry to join him as a Warrior.
My only question is whether Wojo's phone call was placed from the Masters. If not, I still blame him for everything.
Any of y'all ever firmed back up?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 05, 2014, 12:18:23 PM
Any of y'all ever firmed back up?
With or without a pill?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 05, 2014, 12:18:23 PM
Any of y'all ever firmed back up?
When I was at MU I found that I could get 5 or 6 reps in a session. It must have been all that Red White and Blue we swilled at the Lanche.
Quote from: keefe on June 05, 2014, 01:05:19 PM
When I was at MU I found that I could get 5 or 6 reps in a session. It must have been all that Red White and Blue we swilled at the Lanche.
Nah, just your basic, normal 18 yo male, hey?
Can't hurt that they play on the same AAU team and have good on court chemistry.
Fwiw, Mark Miller just predicted Ellenson goes to Marquette on 247 crystal ball. Granted these guys can change predictions when they want I believe. He previously had him going to Bucky. Not that it means anything but it is definitely interesting as he seems fairly close with the MU program and on another note he is 4/4 on his other predictions.
Quote from: Sharpie on June 27, 2014, 01:22:32 PM
Fwiw, Mark Miller just predicted Ellenson goes to Marquette on 247 crystal ball. Granted these guys can change predictions when they want I believe. He previously had him going to Bucky. Not that it means anything but it is definitely interesting as he seems fairly close with the MU program and on another note he is 4/4 on his other predictions.
Better he say MU than another school!
I'll take this as good news.
Quote from: Sharpie on June 27, 2014, 01:22:32 PM
Fwiw, Mark Miller just predicted Ellenson goes to Marquette on 247 crystal ball. Granted these guys can change predictions when they want I believe. He previously had him going to Bucky. Not that it means anything but it is definitely interesting as he seems fairly close with the MU program and on another note he is 4/4 on his other predictions.
That is really good news. Usually Mark is right on with regard to recruits who eventually sign with MU.
I have heard that the Ellensons are in for a visit. Maybe we get a commitment from them sooner than later.
It also helps that Nick and Henry's summer coach is Duane Wilson's dad. This is awesome news if true.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on June 27, 2014, 01:50:08 PM
It also helps that Nick and Henry's summer coach is Duane Wilson's dad. This is awesome news if true.
Well, hopefully Wojo signs him and we can put to bed the questions regarding his recruiting skills. Still, I like to think that Ellenson signing is in no small measure due to the efforts of the men of Scoop. Once Ellenson commits we should then turn our full attention on Lovell to change the damned nickname.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on June 27, 2014, 01:50:08 PM
It also helps that Nick and Henry's summer coach is Duane Wilson's dad. This is awesome news if true.
If you listen really carefully, you can hear Becky already whining preemptively in the distance about how unfair it is.
Quote from: Benny B on June 27, 2014, 02:21:11 PM
If you listen really carefully, you can hear Becky already whining preemptively in the distance about how unfair it is.
I heard Ellenson's cumulative GPA went from 4.0 to 1.3 after Mark Miller changed his 247 pick! He's also slipping in the rankings. Bo cooled on him.
Quote from: Benny B on June 27, 2014, 02:21:11 PM
If you listen really carefully, you can hear Becky already whining preemptively in the distance about how unfair it is.
Can we start a pool for what HE's off court issue will be (once he chooses against UW)?
"...Coach Wo ..."
I like it!
If true, this is awesome. Snatchin' a recruit from the blue bloods is not somethin' T-Cubed or Bumstead ever could accomplish.
C-Wo
I don't want to sound cocky or over-confident, but when Mark Miller predicts something, I trust him and his track record.
Such a huge part of this process isn't whether Wojo can recruit, or whether Buzz would have been able to get him, or what the advantages are of a Marquette vs. Wisconsin. It's having players on the team that are willing to pitch the school to players. Having someone in similar age, with similar background, give you the rundown of the environment and culture of a school/program, is pivotal - and not many schools have players with the confidence or communication skills that are required to do it.
Duane Wilson, by the time he graduates and leaves Marquette, may very well possibly leave a bigger legacy in terms of talking to high school players and recruiting them to Marquette than on the court - and I think he has a BIG future on the court for the Warriors.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on June 27, 2014, 03:09:09 PM
Such a huge part of this process isn't whether Wojo can recruit, or whether Buzz would have been able to get him.
I get what you were saying, but in this case it's all about Wojo's effort vs. Brent's lack thereof. MU wasn't recruiting him until Wojo got the job, and now they are in a great position.
Take this for what it is worth and it may be nothing...my friend (I know...here it comes) was talking with his very good friend that would surely have some insight into Ellenson. He said that his top 3 are Marq, Duke and Northwestern. I don't feel good enough about this to "#done deal" it but the guy with insight is recruiting him...and not for Marq. Maybe nothing at all but this is what the coach believes.
Wally and Henry are in town. Nick is as well, Romo popped in yesterday, and Wesley is around too.
Quote from: PTM on June 27, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Wally and Henry are in town. Nick is as well, Romo popped in yesterday, and Wesley is around too.
Is Romo a True Friend of the Program?
Quote from: PTM on June 27, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Wally and Henry are in town. Nick is as well, Romo popped in yesterday, and Wesley is around too.
Maybe Jabari can ring Ellenson up too, aina?
Quote from: PTM on June 27, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Wally and Henry are in town. Nick is as well, Romo popped in yesterday, and Wesley is around too.
Novak was here yesterday also.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/482280882364223488
Quote from: keefe on June 27, 2014, 03:33:27 PM
Is Romo a True Friend of the Program?
Big Wojo fan.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 27, 2014, 03:35:52 PM
Maybe Jabari can ring Ellenson up too, aina?
Jabari was out at Summerfest today, I believe the Ellenson's were headed that way.
Quote from: Litehouse on June 27, 2014, 03:36:08 PM
Novak was here yesterday also.
Yes he was.
Quote from: PTM on June 27, 2014, 03:37:34 PM
Big Wojo fan.
Jabari was out at Summerfest today, I believe the Ellenson's were headed that way.
Yes he was.
I Love these types of rumors...seriously.
Quote from: LAZER on June 27, 2014, 03:43:12 PM
I Love these types of rumors...seriously.
None of it's really rumors though.
Wojo was actually at summerfest two days ago. My dad took a picture of him for me.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on June 27, 2014, 03:58:38 PM
Wojo was actually at summerfest two days ago. My dad took a picture of him for me.
Get your autograph before he leaves for ______
Quote from: newsdrms on June 27, 2014, 04:02:10 PM
Get your autograph before he leaves for ______
the Porta Potty.
If true, this would fit a recent pattern.
After Buzz left, many thought at least a couple current players would follow him out the door. None did.
After Buzz left, we had no chance to keep any signed recruits. Kept Cohen.
After Buzz left, Noskowiak re-opened his recruiting (as I would have done, too) and the reading-between-lines folks thought that meant he was going bye-bye. He re-committed to Wojo.
Read-between-the-liners were looking at tweets by Levin and surmising he was either ND or NW bound. Wrong. Coming to MU.
And all those who thought we had no chance at Ellenson might very well be proved wrong.
Stone next?
FYI I believe Jabari made some jokes about being excited to babysit for Wojo. Seems like the two were pretty close at Duke and it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibilities that Wojo will have Jabari around a lot for random visits.
So if Ellenson does sign, do we assign recruiting credit to Noskowiak and D. Wilson?
And do we continue to cast doubt upon coach Wojo as a recruiter?
Just askin'. ;)
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on June 27, 2014, 03:09:09 PM
I don't want to sound cocky or over-confident, but when Mark Miller predicts something, I trust him and his track record.
Such a huge part of this process isn't whether Wojo can recruit, or whether Buzz would have been able to get him, or what the advantages are of a Marquette vs. Wisconsin. It's having players on the team that are willing to pitch the school to players. Having someone in similar age, with similar background, give you the rundown of the environment and culture of a school/program, is pivotal - and not many schools have players with the confidence or communication skills that are required to do it.
Duane Wilson, by the time he graduates and leaves Marquette, may very well possibly leave a bigger legacy in terms of talking to high school players and recruiting them to Marquette than on the court - and I think he has a BIG future on the court for the Warriors.
Yes, his future is bright at MU, especially since the phony downhome lonesome numbskull was shown the door.
Hey no knock on Stone but if it came between the two, Ellenson may be a better fit for MU especially when you consider Stone staying for one season and Ellenson staying for 3 or 4. Either one committing would put the MU class in the top 20 for 2015. If we land them both then a top 5.
The Ellenson decision is going to come down to whether he wants to go away to college or stay near home, I think the same holds true for Diamond Stone. I put the going away probability at about 2/3 based on the quality of schools recruiting both of them. There is about a 1/3 probability they stay close to home. In that case I think it is 50/50 between MU and UW. So My unscientific view is that we have about a 16 percent weighted average chance to recruit either Ellenson of Stone. What Noskowiak and Duane or doing is helping make the case to stay local.
I think this is a case where Wojo makes his best recruiting pitch by coming out of the gates with the team playing well and uptempo. Both of these kids came come here and be impact players Day 1 which needs to be emphasized.
Quote from: Texas Western on June 27, 2014, 09:58:33 PM
Both of these kids came come here and be impact players Day 1 which needs to be emphasized.
Day 1 of Year 2? Because freshmen don't play at Marquette...oh, wait
This is exciting news. When will Ellanson make his commitment?
Quote from: MUfan12 on June 27, 2014, 03:12:07 PM
I get what you were saying, but in this case it's all about Wojo's effort vs. Brent's lack thereof. MU wasn't recruiting him until Wojo got the job, and now they are in a great position.
I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here, but it almost seems like you think the only reason things changed is recruiting "effort." Presumably Buzz is interested in top 25 players but got some signal that Ellenson or his family didn't want to play for him and thought his time would be spent better elsewhere.
Ellenson fits better at Wisconsin but I'll take him
Quote from: ThatDude on June 28, 2014, 08:36:15 AM
Ellenson fits better at Wisconsin but I'll take him
I think you could say that if Buzz was still the coach. He might be a perfect fit for Wojo's system. Hopefully we'll get to see if he is...!
Quote from: Texas Western on June 27, 2014, 09:58:33 PM
I think this is a case where Wojo makes his best recruiting pitch by coming out of the gates with the team playing well and uptempo. Both of these kids came come here and be impact players Day 1 which needs to be emphasized.
I suspect their decisions will be made by the time practice starts...?
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on June 28, 2014, 09:04:10 AM
I think you could say that if Buzz was still the coach. He might be a perfect fit for Wojo's system. Hopefully we'll get to see if he is...!
+1. Henry will fit in here just like Kyle Singler at Duke.
Quote from: keefe on June 27, 2014, 02:16:43 PM
Well, hopefully Wojo signs him and we can put to bed the questions regarding his recruiting skills. Still, I like to think that Ellenson signing is in no small measure due to the efforts of the men of Scoop. Once Ellenson commits we should then turn our full attention on Lovell to change the damned nickname.
That almost seems too puny a goal for the mighty posters of Scoop.
Quote from: MUfan12 on June 27, 2014, 03:12:07 PM
I get what you were saying, but in this case it's all about Wojo's effort vs. Brent's lack thereof. MU wasn't recruiting him until Wojo got the job, and now they are in a great position.
Of course, Buzz recruited him. Buzz just lost out very early in the process.
Quote from: ThatDude on June 28, 2014, 08:36:15 AM
Ellenson fits better at Wisconsin but I'll take him
Perhaps if you are looking at things only by virtue of him being white...yet pretty sure any 5 star recruit would fit well at any program he chooses to go to. 8-)\
I do hope though that Wojo can and does recruit the super athletic players successfully. One of my favorite Buzz quotes was what he told the team before playing Wisconsin one season..can't recall which one...but Buzz said: "F*ck with them. Out athletic them."
"Be more athletic than they are. F--k with them."
Before the 2011 game at the Kohl Center.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 28, 2014, 10:27:08 AM
"Be more athletic than they are. F--k with them."
Before the 2011 game at the Kohl Center.
Thank you Sultan. That was great. Sure hope we don't lose some of that going forward. Although so long as we are successful and winning..all good...as long is there is some athleticism present. Actually can say watching Wisconsin play in the NCAA run - they actually were fun to watch. GULP.
It's great to be athletic, but, you have to be able to score to win.
@NickMedline says Ellenson's visit is off - I think he is referring to Northwestern. Maybe he's having too much fun in MKE?
Quote from: MarquetteNation on June 28, 2014, 11:54:31 AM
@NickMedline says Ellenson's visit is off - I think he is referring to Northwestern. Maybe he's having too much fun in MKE?
Maybe not.
https://twitter.com/NickMedline
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on June 28, 2014, 11:11:58 AM
It's great to be athletic, but, you have to be able to score to win.
This is probably just me, but I actually prefer an athletic team that can score and win.
I also don't look at white guys and assume they are non-athletes who shoot well and black guys as if they are athletes who don't shoot well. Silly me.
(Stretch, BTW I'm not accusing you of doing any of those things. Just a general observation of the tone of far too many comments.)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 28, 2014, 10:27:08 AM
"Be more athletic than they are. F--k with them."
Before the 2011 game at the Kohl Center.
That was a fun game. Derrick had an awesome game, starting for Junior.
Stirs the pot.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/uw_12_3_11
Box score and game account of that game. Otule with 25 minutes to Gardner's 14. 2-11 3pt shooting. Big contributions from DJO and Mayo.
Loved it when Jae snubbed Bucky.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 29, 2014, 07:58:16 AM
That was a fun game. Derrick had an awesome game, starting for Junior.
Stirs the pot.
Yes, that was the game the legend of Derrick was born...and referenced many times this year..and while I agree Derrick played relatively well as a freshman at the Kohl defensively in his 20 minutes against Jordan Taylor....the awesome game included:
20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 2 rebounds, 3 personal fouls - while yielding 13 points to Jordan Taylor. Can imagine the Dawson bashers here getting all over Dawson if he posted the above line this past season. Yet ironically, some point to the Wisconsin game in 2011 as Derrick's crowning achievement as a Golden Eagle. Just sayin...
Quote from: Ners on June 29, 2014, 08:30:52 AM
Yes, that was the game the legend of Derrick was born...and referenced many times this year..and while I agree Derrick played relatively well as a freshman at the Kohl defensively in his 20 minutes against Jordan Taylor....the awesome game included:
20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 2 rebounds, 3 personal fouls - while yielding 13 points to Jordan Taylor. Can imagine the Dawson bashers here getting all over Dawson if he posted the above line this past season. Yet ironically, some point to the Wisconsin game in 2011 as Derrick's crowning achievement as a Golden Eagle. Just sayin...
Ners, no response was required.
Quote from: keefe on June 27, 2014, 03:33:27 PM
Is Romo a True Friend of the Program?
Meme Watch???
Nate,
How's little Davante?
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 29, 2014, 08:42:39 AM
Ners, no response was required.
Sorry - I felt compelled to make the point, and stir the pot at your request. ;D
Quote from: Ners on June 29, 2014, 08:30:52 AM
Yes, that was the game the legend of Derrick was born...and referenced many times this year..and while I agree Derrick played relatively well as a freshman at the Kohl defensively in his 20 minutes against Jordan Taylor....the awesome game included:
20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 2 rebounds, 3 personal fouls - while yielding 13 points to Jordan Taylor. Can imagine the Dawson bashers here getting all over Dawson if he posted the above line this past season. Yet ironically, some point to the Wisconsin game in 2011 as Derrick's crowning achievement as a Golden Eagle. Just sayin...
It is a matter of perception. I was at that game and when it was announced that Cadougan was suspended for the game I had no hope. Derrick played very tough in that game and was the reason we won. Of course we needed other players to step up, but there is no way we would of won that game, if Derrick did not play the way he did.
Quote from: bilsu on June 29, 2014, 09:47:54 AM
It is a matter of perception. I was at that game and when it was announced that Cadougan was suspended for the game I had no hope. Derrick played very tough in that game and was the reason we won. Of course we needed other players to step up, but there is no way we would of won that game, if Derrick did not play the way he did.
So the reason we won was 0 points, 0 assists, and 2 rebounds? For the life of me, I will never understand the love fest some people on this board have with Derrick Wilson.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 29, 2014, 11:02:17 AM
So the reason we won was 0 points, 0 assists, and 2 rebounds? For the life of me, I will never understand the love fest some people on this board have with Derrick Wilson.
We won becasue he did not turn the ball over. A freshman not expecting to start all of a sudden is put in against arguably are biggest rival at the Kohl Center were the Badgers rarely lose. He came in and played with great composure. I still remember Crean's backup point guards, who could not play without turning the ball over. A good team has three scorers, the point guard does not have to be one of them.
We won because we played solid defense, the Badgers shot only 32% for the game and like 27% or something from 3 point land. We out rebounded them if I recall. D Will played a good game due to expectations with JC out.
Quote from: Ners on June 29, 2014, 08:30:52 AM
Yes, that was the game the legend of Derrick was born...and referenced many times this year..and while I agree Derrick played relatively well as a freshman at the Kohl defensively in his 20 minutes against Jordan Taylor....the awesome game included:
20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 2 rebounds, 3 personal fouls - while yielding 13 points to Jordan Taylor. Can imagine the Dawson bashers here getting all over Dawson if he posted the above line this past season. Yet ironically, some point to the Wisconsin game in 2011 as Derrick's crowning achievement as a Golden Eagle. Just sayin...
I generally don't read any of the Derrick vs. John vs. whatever nonsense... this one caught my eye and is another good example of people throwing out trash stats... puke.
Derrick's season-high 20 minutes at Wisconsin, a game in which MU was an 8-point underdog and Wilson was called upon in a crunch, was a strong performance by him. He did what he needed to: defend, keep the game flowing and don't turn the ball over.
I would have been far more alarmed with him scoring 10 points on 6 shots than I would have with him scoring 0 points on 0 shots.
Did he really "yield 13 points to Jordan Taylor"? Taylor had easily one of his five worst games of the season offensively, shooting a low 40% eFG while turning the ball over 5 times. How many other games did he turn it over 5 times during his senior season (in which he had a turnover rate of less than 12%)? ZERO. Never happened except in the loss to MU.
Taylor scored 13; fewer than half of those came while Derrick was even on the court. From the field, Taylor was 2/7 while Derrick was playing and 2/3 while he was out. 3 of his 5 turnovers came while Derrick was defending. Taylor had a grand total of 2 assists (1 with Derrick on the floor).
The fact is Derrick got minutes because of his mistake-free offense and good defense. And he delivered based on what was ordered. Excellent job in a hostile territory for a kid who hadn't played that much before. That's why 13 of Derrick's 20 minutes came in the second half when MU was ahead.
Wisconsin tried to slow this 63 possession game down, but MU kept the pace moving thanks in large part to Derrick. Time of possession: 1,037 MU, 1,363 Becky.
In addition, I believe that in scheduled regular season games Taylor had 4 fouls (never 5) in just 4 games. His 4 in 30 minutes vs. MU was his worst fouls per minute performance of the entire season (for a guy who avg'd 2.2 FC/40!).
Anyway, Jordan Taylor had an awful game. Derrick delivered how he needed to in order to help MU to a win. Great victory and a great game by Wilson.
That's all.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 29, 2014, 11:47:47 AM
I generally don't read any of the Derrick vs. John vs. whatever nonsense... this one caught my eye and is another good example of people throwing out trash stats... puke.
Derrick's season-high 20 points at Wisconsin, a game in which MU was an 8-point underdog and Wilson was called upon in a crunch, was a strong performance by him. He did what he needed to: defend, keep the game flowing and don't turn the ball over.
I would have been far more alarmed with him scoring 10 points on 6 shots than I would have with him scoring 0 points on 0 shots.
Did he really "yield 13 points to Jordan Taylor"? Taylor had easily one of his five worst games of the season offensively, shooting a low 40% eFG while turning the ball over 5 times. How many other games did he turn it over 5 times during his senior season (in which he had a turnover rate of less than 12%)? ZERO. Never happened except in the loss to MU.
Taylor scored 13; fewer than half of those came while Derrick was even on the court. From the field, Taylor was 2/7 while Derrick was playing and 2/3 while he was out. 3 of his 5 turnovers came while Derrick was defending. Taylor had a grand total of 2 assists (1 with Derrick on the floor).
The fact is Derrick got minutes because of his mistake-free offense and good defense. And he delivered based on what was ordered. Excellent job in a hostile territory for a kid who hadn't played that much before. That's why 13 of Derrick's 20 minutes came in the second half when MU was ahead.
Wisconsin tried to slow this 63 possession game down, but MU kept the pace moving thanks in large part to Derrick. Time of possession: 1,037 MU, 1,363 Becky.
In addition, I believe that in scheduled regular season games Taylor had 4 fouls (never 5) in just 4 games. His 4 in 30 minutes vs. MU was his worst fouls per minute performance of the entire season (for a guy who avg'd 2.2 FC/40!).
Anyway, Jordan Taylor had an awful game. Derrick delivered how he needed to in order to help MU to a win. Great victory and a great game by Wilson.
That's all.
That doesn't fit Ners's and Wojo's agenda, though.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 29, 2014, 11:47:47 AM
I generally don't read any of the Derrick vs. John vs. whatever nonsense... this one caught my eye and is another good example of people throwing out trash stats... puke.
Derrick's season-high 20 minutes at Wisconsin, a game in which MU was an 8-point underdog and Wilson was called upon in a crunch, was a strong performance by him. He did what he needed to: defend, keep the game flowing and don't turn the ball over.
I would have been far more alarmed with him scoring 10 points on 6 shots than I would have with him scoring 0 points on 0 shots.
Did he really "yield 13 points to Jordan Taylor"? Taylor had easily one of his five worst games of the season offensively, shooting a low 40% eFG while turning the ball over 5 times. How many other games did he turn it over 5 times during his senior season (in which he had a turnover rate of less than 12%)? ZERO. Never happened except in the loss to MU.
Taylor scored 13; fewer than half of those came while Derrick was even on the court. From the field, Taylor was 2/7 while Derrick was playing and 2/3 while he was out. 3 of his 5 turnovers came while Derrick was defending. Taylor had a grand total of 2 assists (1 with Derrick on the floor).
The fact is Derrick got minutes because of his mistake-free offense and good defense. And he delivered based on what was ordered. Excellent job in a hostile territory for a kid who hadn't played that much before. That's why 13 of Derrick's 20 minutes came in the second half when MU was ahead.
Wisconsin tried to slow this 63 possession game down, but MU kept the pace moving thanks in large part to Derrick. Time of possession: 1,037 MU, 1,363 Becky.
In addition, I believe that in scheduled regular season games Taylor had 4 fouls (never 5) in just 4 games. His 4 in 30 minutes vs. MU was his worst fouls per minute performance of the entire season (for a guy who avg'd 2.2 FC/40!).
Anyway, Jordan Taylor had an awful game. Derrick delivered how he needed to in order to help MU to a win. Great victory and a great game by Wilson.
That's all.
He played a solid game...but to anoint as "great" is certainly a reach. And really, on the bolded - "kept the pace moving?" Where was that for all 33 games last season? Worst Offensive Efficiency rating under Buzz by a landslide last season...where was our fast break game last year? And I certainly don't recall Derrick blazing by Jordan Taylor forcing him into fouls...but if my memory serves me incorrectly...sure would have loved to see Derrick forcing other PGs into foul trouble in just 1 game last season.
17-15. Missed NIT. Enough said.
Ners, Ners, Ners.
Quote from: Ners on June 29, 2014, 12:55:18 PM
He played a solid game...but to anoint as "great" is certainly a reach. And really, on the bolded - "kept the pace moving?" Where was that for all 33 games last season? Worst Offensive Efficiency rating under Buzz by a landslide last season...where was our fast break game last year? And I certainly don't recall Derrick blazing by Jordan Taylor forcing him into fouls...but if my memory serves me incorrectly...sure would have loved to see Derrick forcing other PGs into foul trouble in just 1 game last season.
17-15. Missed NIT. Enough said.
Yeah they play college basketball 1 on 1 now.
Quote from: Ners on June 29, 2014, 12:55:18 PM
He played a solid game...but to anoint as "great" is certainly a reach. And really, on the bolded - "kept the pace moving?" Where was that for all 33 games last season? Worst Offensive Efficiency rating under Buzz by a landslide last season...where was our fast break game last year? And I certainly don't recall Derrick blazing by Jordan Taylor forcing him into fouls...but if my memory serves me incorrectly...sure would have loved to see Derrick forcing other PGs into foul trouble in just 1 game last season.
17-15. Missed NIT. Enough said.
Of course, I have no idea what this has to do with what Jay Bee was saying about the UW game.
Why you have to default to your talking points from last year is beyond me.
And I thought this was a thread about Ellenson, but it has been turned out to be another hijacked thread about D Wilson... ::) SHEESH >:(
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 12:13:11 PM
That doesn't fit Ners's and Wojo's agenda, though.
I have no agenda. I'm just continually baffled by why some posters trumpet Derrick's abilities all of the time. To say he was the main reason they won the Badger game is laughable to me. He didn't score or assist on a single basket. So he held Taylor to 13 points, big deal that's 13 more than he scored. It's like he gets credit because he didn't implode that day. He played good defense in the game, but did nothing on the offensive end. My only issue was saying he was the main reason we won the Badger game.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 01:14:47 PM
Yeah they play college basketball 1 on 1 now.
Actually 4 on 5 in some rare cases...as said by the head coach who felt that was his best formula for winning last year.
real chili baits the hook....says it's bait...and Ners bites on it anyway.
At this point it's like fishing in a goldfish bowl.
Chicos often will utilize the 'change what I meant' tactic. When wrong, he'll backpedal and "fix" what was previously said.
Ners on the other hand prefers to go with the 'change topic to something unrelated'.
"Let's talk in more detail about the 2011 game against Wisconsin. Here's some things you need to consider."
"Uhh, 2013-14 we didn't make the NIT!"
Cripes. I'm not talking about the effin 2013-14 season. Buzz blew it. I said as much in December - the personnel combos he was deploying were setup for failure. It was awful and bizarre.
However, my point was this: Derrick Wilson delivered very well in a big win at uw-madison in 2011. Looking at the point totals of Taylor vs. him to argue that it wasn't an impressive game is ridiculous. That's it. "OK, I agree" would work better than "three months ago we finished 17-15. Enough said."
Sheesh.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 29, 2014, 01:30:35 PM
I have no agenda. I'm just continually baffled by why some posters trumpet Derrick's abilities all of the time. To say he was the main reason they won the Badger game is laughable to me. He didn't score or assist on a single basket. So he held Taylor to 13 points, big deal that's 13 more than he scored. It's like he gets credit because he didn't implode that day. He played good defense in the game, but did nothing on the offensive end. My only issue was saying he was the main reason we won the Badger game.
Okay, you don't have an agenda then, you just don't know basketball.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 01:49:43 PM
Okay, you don't have an agenda then, you just don't know basketball.
Can you please explain the game of basketball to me someday oh wise one...it would be so great to pick the brain of someone with all of your knowledge and wisdom. Why didn't Marquette just hire you to be the coach?? ::)
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 29, 2014, 01:43:25 PM
Chicos often will utilize the 'change what I meant' tactic. When wrong, he'll backpedal and "fix" what was previously said.
Ners on the other hand prefers to go with the 'change topic to something unrelated'.
Usually I just admit I am wrong. Or I clarify because I worded it poorly or people inferred incorrectly.
I suppose I could use your oft used tactic...."I was kidding and not serious" ;)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 29, 2014, 01:36:34 PM
real chili baits the hook....says it's bait...and Ners bites on it anyway.
At this point it's like fishing in a goldfish bowl.
This. ^
Just stirring the pot
Night crawler on a bobber
Now setting the hook
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 29, 2014, 11:47:47 AM
I generally don't read any of the Derrick vs. John vs. whatever nonsense... this one caught my eye and is another good example of people throwing out trash stats... puke.
Derrick's season-high 20 minutes at Wisconsin, a game in which MU was an 8-point underdog and Wilson was called upon in a crunch, was a strong performance by him. He did what he needed to: defend, keep the game flowing and don't turn the ball over.
I would have been far more alarmed with him scoring 10 points on 6 shots than I would have with him scoring 0 points on 0 shots.
Did he really "yield 13 points to Jordan Taylor"? Taylor had easily one of his five worst games of the season offensively, shooting a low 40% eFG while turning the ball over 5 times. How many other games did he turn it over 5 times during his senior season (in which he had a turnover rate of less than 12%)? ZERO. Never happened except in the loss to MU.
Taylor scored 13; fewer than half of those came while Derrick was even on the court. From the field, Taylor was 2/7 while Derrick was playing and 2/3 while he was out. 3 of his 5 turnovers came while Derrick was defending. Taylor had a grand total of 2 assists (1 with Derrick on the floor).
The fact is Derrick got minutes because of his mistake-free offense and good defense. And he delivered based on what was ordered. Excellent job in a hostile territory for a kid who hadn't played that much before. That's why 13 of Derrick's 20 minutes came in the second half when MU was ahead.
Wisconsin tried to slow this 63 possession game down, but MU kept the pace moving thanks in large part to Derrick. Time of possession: 1,037 MU, 1,363 Becky.
In addition, I believe that in scheduled regular season games Taylor had 4 fouls (never 5) in just 4 games. His 4 in 30 minutes vs. MU was his worst fouls per minute performance of the entire season (for a guy who avg'd 2.2 FC/40!).
Anyway, Jordan Taylor had an awful game. Derrick delivered how he needed to in order to help MU to a win. Great victory and a great game by Wilson.
That's all.
On behalf of every Scoop poster who watches both sides of the ball and delves deeper into the game than points scored or 3 point shooting %, a thousand thanks. Perfectly analyzed. You're right- that's all.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 29, 2014, 02:33:03 PM
Usually I just admit I am wrong. Or I clarify because I worded it poorly or people inferred incorrectly.
I suppose I could use your oft used tactic...."I was kidding and not serious" ;)
"oft used tactic"... lol, here's an opportunity for you to do that "admit I am wrong" thing you "usually" do.
#delicious
If Henry winds up at MU, the "reasons" Scoopers come up with will be lovely. Some will be 100% Wojo. Anti-Becky. Anti-blue bloods. It was Nick. Jabari delivered him. Only because of proximity to home.
Nonetheless, if he winds up in Milwaukee I'd be pleased.
Skol Vikings
We should rename this place DerrickWilsonScoop
As I said in an earlier post you need three scorers to be a good team. Derrick could not score, but look at who the other starters were. Thomas, with the exception of maybe half dozen games could not score, Otule who could not score and Anderson who could not score. The only starter that was a threat was Jamil and half the time he played like he did not care. The whole starting team was bad and that is why saying we were playing 4 on 5 on offense was an overstatement. Derrick would of been much more effective, if he was teamed with DJO and Crowder. I am not arguing that Derrick is good, just that he is being over blamed for last year's problems.
Any word on how the NW team camp went for Ellenson ?
Quote from: Texas Western on June 29, 2014, 03:23:53 PM
Any word on how the NW team camp went for Ellenson ?
Write up from Nick Medline:
http://northwestern.scout.com/story/1415461-ellenson-exposed-to-building-nu-culture?s=179 (http://northwestern.scout.com/story/1415461-ellenson-exposed-to-building-nu-culture?s=179)
Also wondering how his Marquette visit went.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on June 29, 2014, 03:53:58 PM
Write up from Nick Medline:
aka "a student at Nothwestern." Empty story. Nada in there.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 29, 2014, 02:38:38 PM
On behalf of every Scoop poster who watches both sides of the ball and delves deeper into the game than points scored or 3 point shooting %, a thousand thanks. Perfectly analyzed. You're right- that's all.
Sadly the same stalwart performances this past season weren't enough to help us enough to even make the freaking NIT. Do you have a theory when taking a deep dive into last season, and getting 32 minutes a game of the same kind of performance from said PG as to why it didn't translate into many wins - especially none over quality opponents?
I too watch both sides of the ball and know that a team can't win with a PG and SG that limited. But come on Lenny, we know if Dawson posted a game this past season of 20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 3 personal fouls...you would have been all over him about not being ready. Do you not find it ironic that this type of performance is trumpeted as "great," for Derrick - all because he played solid D against Jordan Taylor?? And let's not forget Dawson had the 2nd best Points Per 100 defensive rating after Derrick this past season..I believe roughly .02 points more yielded per 100 points.
I look forward to watching both sides of the ball this year..and taking a deep dive...especially when I won't be subjected to 32 minutes a game of virtually no production from the most critical position on the basketball floor..
And by the way...JayBee falsely states Derrick got minutes because he played mistake free and good defense. He played because Cadougan was suspended. And as for mistake free PG play...pretty hard to make mistakes when your defender sags 5 feet off of you, you rarely ever push the ball in transition, nor penetrate in the half court (due to it being largely impossible or beneficial since your defender is already sagging off of you 5 feet.)
But nope, that wasn't the biggest problem at all last season. Jamil and Davante's leadership skills weren't good enough, even though they were actually guarded and sometimes doubled on the basketball court..yet still led the team in scoring.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 01:49:43 PM
Okay, you don't have an agenda then, you just don't know basketball.
This is rich and deliciously ironic. Why do you think Wojo went out and got a 1 year rental at the PG position when he had an incumbent 30+ minute per game experienced senior already in the program? Hmm. He must not know basketball either.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on June 29, 2014, 03:53:58 PM
Write up from Nick Medline:
http://northwestern.scout.com/story/1415461-ellenson-exposed-to-building-nu-culture?s=179 (http://northwestern.scout.com/story/1415461-ellenson-exposed-to-building-nu-culture?s=179)
Also wondering how his Marquette visit went.
He should talk to Gabe Levin about choosing MU over Northwestern. However, I'm not really worried about Northwestern for Ellenson. I think a blue blood or UW is much more likely.
Quote from: Ners on June 29, 2014, 04:55:52 PM
This is rich and deliciously ironic. Why do you think Wojo went out and got a 1 year rental at the PG position when he had an incumbent 30+ minute per game experienced senior already in the program? Hmm. He must not know basketball either.
As much as the last poster lacks in basketball knowledge you lack in common sense and reading comprehension. Wojo went and got a PG because our PG wasn't good enough last year and the 1 year transfer can help us win basketball games. That's a pretty simple answer, someone who flaunts his basketball pedigree as much as you do should probably not have to ask such a basic question.
Nobody that I have seen has said Derrick was good enough at the PG. I thought he would be going into the season, but it became clear he wasn't. We needed an upgrade, and we got one.
What you continue to fail to understand is that Buzz's fault was not in playing Derrick, it was in not having someone better on the roster so that Derrick wasn't needed for that many minutes. Very different faults there, yet somehow you think Buzz's fault was in playing Derrick too much. Maybe Buzz did have someone better (Duane) but unfortunately he got hurt. The alternative after that injury (Dawson) was a worse option. Again, fairly simple.
Wojo went out and fixed Buzz's fault (not having a better option on the roster at the PG than Derrick) by getting a 1 year PG transfer (Carlino).
Is it really that difficult to understand? Apparently to you it is. It's been almost a year and you're still lost.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 06:09:22 PM
As much as the last poster lacks in basketball knowledge you lack in common sense and reading comprehension. Wojo went and got a PG because our PG wasn't good enough last year and the 1 year transfer can help us win basketball games. That's a pretty simple answer, someone who flaunts his basketball pedigree as much as you do should probably not have to ask such a basic question.
Nobody that I have seen has said Derrick was good enough at the PG. I thought he would be going into the season, but it became clear he wasn't. We needed an upgrade, and we got one.
What you continue to fail to understand is that Buzz's fault was not in playing Derrick, it was in not having someone better on the roster so that Derrick wasn't needed for that many minutes. Very different faults there, yet somehow you think Buzz's fault was in playing Derrick too much. Maybe Buzz did have someone better (Duane) but unfortunately he got hurt. The alternative after that injury (Dawson) was a worse option. Again, fairly simple.
Wojo went out and fixed Buzz's fault (not having a better option on the roster at the PG than Derrick) by getting a 1 year PG transfer (Carlino).
Is it really that difficult to understand? Apparently to you it is. It's been almost a year and you're still lost.
You really shouldn't question people's basketball knowledge. There was a better option than Derrick. Just like Todd was a better option than Jake...likely JJJ too. Just like Deonte a better option than Juan.
Buzz was awful last year - and the record says as much. For being picked by the Big East coaches as the pre-season favorite, to finish 9-9 and miss the NIT...says all that needs to be said about Buzz's judgement as a coach last season.
Yet you and a select handful of others continue to try to beat the ridiculous drum that Buzz didn't have a better option than Derrick... in Dawson. I could probably find about 100 posts from the select few who share your ignorant point of view - where if Dawson had a game of 20 minutes with 0 points, 0 assists, and 3 personal fouls...they'd point to it as proof he wasn't ready nor a better option than Derrick. Yet here again, we have people championing the performance Derrick turned in at Wisconsin 3 years ago as "great."
Quote from: Ners on June 29, 2014, 06:26:17 PM
You really shouldn't question people's basketball knowledge. There was a better option than Derrick. Just like Todd was a better option than Jake...likely JJJ too. Just like Deonte a better option than Juan.
Buzz was awful last year - and the record says as much. For being picked by the Big East coaches as the pre-season favorite, to finish 9-9 and miss the NIT...says all that needs to be said about Buzz's judgement as a coach last season.
Yet you and a select handful of others continue to try to beat the ridiculous drum that Buzz didn't have a better option than Derrick... in Dawson. I could probably find about 100 posts from the select few who share your ignorant point of view - where if Dawson had a game of 20 minutes with 0 points, 0 assists, and 3 personal fouls...they'd point to it as proof he wasn't ready nor a better option than Derrick. Yet here again, we have people championing the performance Derrick turned in at Wisconsin 3 years ago as "great."
Dawson was not a better option than Derrick.
And you can't look at a stat line in a vacuum and take nothing else into consideration. That's your problem. You look at 1 thing: POINTS! Unfortunately for your arguments, there is more to basketball than that. Not all players are asked to do the same things on the court, and not all games are going to be played the exact same way. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it actually is true. Tough to wrap your head around, I know, I know.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 06:09:22 PM
As much as the last poster lacks in basketball knowledge you lack in common sense and reading comprehension. Wojo went and got a PG because our PG wasn't good enough last year and the 1 year transfer can help us win basketball games. That's a pretty simple answer, someone who flaunts his basketball pedigree as much as you do should probably not have to ask such a basic question.
Nobody that I have seen has said Derrick was good enough at the PG. I thought he would be going into the season, but it became clear he wasn't. We needed an upgrade, and we got one.
What you continue to fail to understand is that Buzz's fault was not in playing Derrick, it was in not having someone better on the roster so that Derrick wasn't needed for that many minutes. Very different faults there, yet somehow you think Buzz's fault was in playing Derrick too much. Maybe Buzz did have someone better (Duane) but unfortunately he got hurt. The alternative after that injury (Dawson) was a worse option. Again, fairly simple.
Wojo went out and fixed Buzz's fault (not having a better option on the roster at the PG than Derrick) by getting a 1 year PG transfer (Carlino).
Is it really that difficult to understand? Apparently to you it is. It's been almost a year and you're still lost.
Buzz had lots of faults, IMHO, including playing Derrick and Jake as much as he did. When something isn't working, you at least pretend to try to fix it, no? Buzz was a disaster last season; we know now he was clearly distracted.
Derrick is blamed far too much, though. It's not HIS fault he is who he is, not his fault he can't shoot or score, not his fault he played 30+ mpg. It would be like me marrying my wife and then blaming her for not being Scarlett Johansson.
Unless he quits or there is some other significant news, this officially will be my last Derrick-related post until at least Madness. It's all been said ... times a gazillion.
[silently screams; with sadness, blames Chili for starting this; looks out the window at the peaks of the Three Sisters, and remembers again how happy he is; life is good; real basketball talk in a couple of months; wishes he could have done this all in a haiku; sighs and decides to try]
Chili how could you?
Trolling Ners like a walleye
Smile; Banff then b-ball
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 06:30:17 PM
Dawson was not a better option than Derrick.
And you can't look at a stat line in a vacuum and take nothing else into consideration. That's your problem. You look at 1 thing: POINTS! Unfortunately for your arguments, there is more to basketball than that. Not all players are asked to do the same things on the court, and not all games are going to be played the exact same way. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it actually is true. Tough to wrap your head around, I know, I know.
Ners, how dare you have an opinion that differs from the almighty wadesworld! Don't you know that he is the only person who knows anything about basketball ;D
So...anyone hear how the Ellenson visit to Marquette went? With all the hook and bait talk, I am assuming there was a fishing trip involved?
Ellenson will be a great Warrior. I will be excited to watch him play. Hope he decides soon.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 29, 2014, 09:15:57 AM
Nate,
How's little Davante?
KId is causing way to much trouble, he is 1 1/2 and dude rarely sleeps and runs all over the place.
Quote from: Ners on June 29, 2014, 06:26:17 PM
You really shouldn't question people's basketball knowledge. There was a better option than Derrick. Just like Todd was a better option than Jake...likely JJJ too. Just like Deonte a better option than Juan.
Buzz was awful last year - and the record says as much. For being picked by the Big East coaches as the pre-season favorite, to finish 9-9 and miss the NIT...says all that needs to be said about Buzz's judgement as a coach last season.
Yet you and a select handful of others continue to try to beat the ridiculous drum that Buzz didn't have a better option than Derrick... in Dawson. I could probably find about 100 posts from the select few who share your ignorant point of view - where if Dawson had a game of 20 minutes with 0 points, 0 assists, and 3 personal fouls...they'd point to it as proof he wasn't ready nor a better option than Derrick. Yet here again, we have people championing the performance Derrick turned in at Wisconsin 3 years ago as "great."
I will point out that you said you were going to drop this debate.
And you haven't.
You simply can't help yourself.
The start of the second last paragraph of the NU kid's post:
"Northwestern is not ready for a five-star player."
Case closed.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on June 29, 2014, 06:58:55 PM
[silently screams; with sadness, blames Chili for starting this; looks out the window at the peaks of the Three Sisters, and remembers again how happy he is; life is good; real basketball talk in a couple of months; wishes he could have done this all in a haiku; sighs and decides to try]
Chili how could you?
Trolling Ners like a walleye
Smile; Banff then b-ball
Yep I had a bloody
Mary when I baited Ners
Chicos fault A1
Casa de legs
Can I swill bourbon with you
Oak park your garage
Ners,
Love you bro.
Don't take the bait.
Give it up. Season is over.
Derrick rules next year. Book it. ;D
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 29, 2014, 07:00:07 PM
Ners, how dare you have an opinion that differs from the almighty wadesworld! Don't you know that he is the only person who knows anything about basketball ;D
WM, fight back. If Wadesworld insults you and says you don't understand basketball, don't get defensive. That just proves him right. Prove him wrong. Make a basketball centered argument to prove your point. Use what knowledge and experience you have to show why your argument is correct.
If I'm coming off as insulting, I'm honestly not trying to be. The above is the only way to shut guys like me, Wadesworld, Jay Bee, Ners, etc up. If you only respond to comments like Wadesworld's above with jokes, he'll assume that he is right and you don't understand basketball.
As am writing this I'm realizing that this assumes any of us should care what anyone else on this board thinks....which why should any of us really care? Maybe I need to rethink this post, lol
Anyways, cheers.
This entire conversation is hilarious. The only addition I care to make is the biggest divide between the sides seems to be preseason expectations. The "pro Derrick" side for the most part, expected Derrick to be a 5 ppt, 3 rpg, 3 apg, defensive pg. The "anti-derrick" crowd expected him to be more. To one side, he played at our even above expectations. To the other,he under performed.
Back to Ellenson, I'm liking what I'm hearing and seeing. Fine is the biggest threat imho. I haven't heard anything about Kentucky chasing him.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on June 29, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
KId is causing way to much trouble, he is 1 1/2 and dude rarely sleeps and runs all over the place.
Give him another year or so, then it's a ton of fun for a good 7 years...then drama for awhile.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 29, 2014, 09:54:07 PM
Wadesworld is an a$$ at times....but you kind of lost your credibility to judge other people's knowledge of basketball when you logged your prediction of Marquette averaging 94 points a game next season.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying
Well for one, I wasn't judging anyone's knowledge of basketball. He referred to my knowledge of basketball. Two, when averaging players ppg it is not the same as what your team ppg is. I also stated that my total was probably on the high end, but that's where I thought it would roughly end up. Obviously as a team we wouldn't avg 94 ppg. I feel hurt that you don't find me to be credible TAMU. When I came onto this board, my goal was to be respected by the guy with all the "inside" info that he shares all the time ::) oh well!
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 29, 2014, 10:15:46 PM
Well for one, I wasn't judging anyone's knowledge of basketball. He referred to my knowledge of basketball. Two, when averaging players ppg it is not the same as what your team ppg is. I also stated that my total was probably on the high end, but that's where I thought it would roughly end up. Obviously as a team we wouldn't avg 94 ppg. I feel hurt that you don't find me to be credible TAMU. When I came onto this board, my goal was to be respected by the guy with all the "inside" info that he shares all the time ::) oh well!
WM, I apologize. Honestly. My comment was out of line. I was editing it as you can see above. I was hoping that I could get it edited before anyone had a chance to see it. Pushed send without really thinking. Like wadesworld, I can also be an a$$ at times.
Again, apologies.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 29, 2014, 10:15:46 PM
Well for one, I wasn't judging anyone's knowledge of basketball. He referred to my knowledge of basketball. Two, when averaging players ppg it is not the same as what your team ppg is. I also stated that my total was probably on the high end, but that's where I thought it would roughly end up. Obviously as a team we wouldn't avg 94 ppg. I feel hurt that you don't find me to be credible TAMU. When I came onto this board, my goal was to be respected by the guy with all the "inside" info that he shares all the time ::) oh well!
Speaking of inside info that doesn't involve dick measuring contests about fake internet pride that most of us don't give two shits about...
Anyone hear how the visit went? Is he gonna come to Marquette as a package deal with Wally? Did Wojo give him the keys to the AL? Are Wojo and Henry playing air guitar/keyboard together at Summerfest Grounds to Styx's "Renegade?"
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 29, 2014, 10:19:53 PM
WM, I apologize. Honestly. My comment was out of line. I was editing it as you can see above. I was hoping that I could get it edited before anyone had a chance to see it. Pushed send without really thinking. Like wadesworld, I can also be an a$$ at times.
Again, apologies.
Apology accepted and I apologize as well.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 29, 2014, 10:15:46 PM
Well for one, I wasn't judging anyone's knowledge of basketball. He referred to my knowledge of basketball. Two, when averaging players ppg it is not the same as what your team ppg is. I also stated that my total was probably on the high end, but that's where I thought it would roughly end up. Obviously as a team we wouldn't avg 94 ppg. I feel hurt that you don't find me to be credible TAMU. When I came onto this board, my goal was to be respected by the guy with all the "inside" info that he shares all the time ::) oh well!
I'm not sure I understand your math. So the sum of the averages of every player's points per game does not equal the team's total points per game? So last year the sum of all of the players on Marquette's roster's points per game was 72, but we averaged...how many points as a team? That is an interesting concept. Revolutionizing the game, math, statistics, and numbers all at once...Wojo does have some mojo!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on June 29, 2014, 10:21:44 PM
Speaking of inside info that doesn't involve dick measuring contests about fake internet pride that most of us don't give two craps about...
Anyone hear how the visit went? No. Is he gonna come to Marquette as a package deal with Wally? No. Unless he had his personal track coach along with him, and Bill Cords offered him $150k to take over Marquette's program just to lure Wally in to join the track team, in order to lure Henry in to play basketball at Marquette. Did Wojo give him the keys to the AL? Yes. Are Wojo and Henry playing air guitar/keyboard together at Summerfest Grounds to Styx's "Renegade?" Air drum, actually.
See above.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
I'm not sure I understand your math. So the sum of the averages of every player's points per game does not equal the team's total points per game? So last year the sum of all of the players on Marquette's roster's points per game was 72, but we averaged...how many points as a team? That is an interesting concept. Revolutionizing the game, math, statistics, and numbers all at once...Wojo does have some mojo!
The sum of all the players ppg was 75.8 last year.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 29, 2014, 10:30:45 PM
The sum of all the players ppg was 75.8 last year.
So in your predictions for each players' points per game average you are factoring in the games you believe each player will miss due to injury and/or suspension? (Serious question).
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 10:26:23 PM
See above.
Crap. Air drums? He's as good as gone then. The guy playing air drums is just humoring you. The dude playing air guitar with you is your true bro. Wojo needs to get his stuff together and man up for Henry.
Chip Miller @BLUEChip_Miller 8h
2015 forward Henry Ellenson Plans to Trim List in August ...
http://zagsblog.com/articles/five-star-power-forward-ellenson-plans-to-trim-list-in-august/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/five-star-power-forward-ellenson-plans-to-trim-list-in-august/)
Apologies to JayBee that the Zagsblog link is from Nick Medline.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on June 30, 2014, 04:31:01 AM
Chip Miller @BLUEChip_Miller 8h
2015 forward Henry Ellenson Plans to Trim List in August ...
http://zagsblog.com/articles/five-star-power-forward-ellenson-plans-to-trim-list-in-august/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/five-star-power-forward-ellenson-plans-to-trim-list-in-august/)
Apologies to JayBee that the Zagsblog link is from Nick Medline.
It looks like he is having fun with the process and enjoys being romanced by all these coaches. We should take his brother Wally with our open scholarships, no conditions attached. At the very least we get a great high jumper for the MU track team and we develop further relationship with the family.
Quote from: Texas Western on June 30, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
It looks like he is having fun with the process and enjoys being romanced by all these coaches. We should take his brother Wally with our open scholarships, no conditions attached. At the very least we get a great high jumper for the MU track team and we develop further relationship with the family.
I saw we do this....as long as Wojo believes that Wally can actually help the team. One of our recruiting experts (Jay Bee I think) said Wally is actually better than his stat line at Minnesota suggests.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 30, 2014, 01:30:38 PM
I saw we do this....as long as Wojo believes that Wally can actually help the team. One of our recruiting experts (Jay Bee I think) said Wally is actually better than his stat line at Minnesota suggests.
You guys do realize that Wally finished
second in NCAA Outdoors with a High Jump of 7-4.5?
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/trackfield-outdoor-men/d1/2014-di-track-and-field-results
Again, Wally is on the fast track to 2016 Olympic games in Rio. Why would he derail that opportunity to become a "package deal" for Henry to a school that has program with no experience putting high jumpers into the Olympics??" Restated, Wally's decision to transfer (or not) might be the bigger deal in the Ellenson household than Henry's. Wally has "outgrown" Minnesota and should be looking at an SEC/PAC-12 school.
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 30, 2014, 01:40:04 PM
You guys do realize that Wally finished second in NCAA Outdoors with a High Jump of 7-4?
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/trackfield-outdoor-men/d1/2014-di-track-and-field-results
Again, Wally is on the fast track to 2016 Olympic games in Rio. Why would he derail that opportunity to become a "package deal" for Henry to a school that has program with no experience putting high jumpers into the Olympics??" Restated, Wally's decision to transfer (or not) might be the bigger deal in the Ellenson household than Henry's. Wally has "outgrown" Minnesota and should be looking at an SEC/PAC-12 school.
I don't know anything about college track and field.
Are there schools/programs that are known for producing high jumpers or other specialized track athletes?
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on June 30, 2014, 01:46:07 PM
I don't know anything about college track and field.
Are there schools/programs that are known for producing high jumpers or other specialized track athletes?
Florida! Dick Booth is the jumps coach. The man is a legend
Booth's Coaching Career Totals:
At Arkansas – 45 individual national champions; 137 All-America honors, 11 Olympians.
At Florida – 2 individual national champions; 5 All-America honors; 2 SEC individual titles.
http://web.gatorzone.com/trackfield/staff/booth
Dwight Stones lives in Gainesville and works with them as well.
Might Billy Donovan be interested in a "packaged deal?"
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 30, 2014, 01:50:07 PM
Florida! Dick Booth is the jumps coach. The man in a legend
Booth's Coaching Career Totals:
At Arkansas – 45 individual national champions; 137 All-America honors, 11 Olympians.
At Florida – 2 individual national champions; 5 All-America honors; 2 SEC individual titles.
http://web.gatorzone.com/trackfield/staff/booth
Dwight Stones lives in Gainesville and works with them as well.
Might Billy Donovan be interested in a "packaged deal?"
Nope, he doesn't need to do that. And Florida is not on Henry Ellenson's list.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 06:30:17 PM
Dawson was not a better option than Derrick.
And you can't look at a stat line in a vacuum and take nothing else into consideration. That's your problem. You look at 1 thing: POINTS! Unfortunately for your arguments, there is more to basketball than that. Not all players are asked to do the same things on the court, and not all games are going to be played the exact same way. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it actually is true. Tough to wrap your head around, I know, I know.
Do you actually believe the nonsense you write?? You are correct - I totally and completely cannot wrap my head around the ridiculous conclusions you draw. You really have zero business questioning others basketball knowledge. You don't have a clue.
It was painfully obvious to those who have a shred of basketball knowledge last season that it wasn't going to work, or get better with Derrick at PG for 32 minutes per game. But to those of you who tried to argue all season long for Derrick (AND BUZZ)...that it would get better, Buzz's teams always get better...and we'd be okay - you ended up looking like the clueless basketball minds you are.
Again, if Dawson laid the turd of a game of 20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 3 personal fouls...the same 5-7 of you here who try to champion such stat lines for Derrick as being good/great...would have been all over Dawson last year as proof he wasn't a better option than Derrick.
It was a historically bad and awful performance turned in by our PG last season. Not needing to be defended within 5 feet on the perimeter as a PG in high major ball is beyond awful. Your bizarre head coach trying to design ways to get you as a PG to primarily play out of the paint, and down low...as a way to try to force teams to guard him...was beyond stupid.
But hey...yeah...I know - why would a coach ask or want a PG that actually has to be guarded on the perimeter, is a threat to take and make 3 point shots, can actually run a fast break, make FTs at a respectable clip, and doesn't result in the team playing 4 on 5?? Ahh...thanks Wades..your brilliance finally helped answer my question: Not all players are asked to do the same thing on the basketball court!!! Genius! You mean centers aren't asked to be Point Guards? And PGs aren't asked to Centers? Or wait...we did actually try that goofy game last year trying to play Derrick down low. A PG is asked to orchestrate the f'in offense okay? What we had last year was the exact opposite of that.
Quote from: Ners on June 30, 2014, 04:09:14 PM
Do you actually believe the nonsense you write?? You are correct - I totally and completely cannot wrap my head around the ridiculous conclusions you draw. You really have zero business questioning others basketball knowledge. You don't have a clue.
It was painfully obvious to those who have a shred of basketball knowledge last season that it wasn't going to work, or get better with Derrick at PG for 32 minutes per game. But to those of you who tried to argue all season long for Derrick (AND BUZZ)...that it would get better, Buzz's teams always get better...and we'd be okay - you ended up looking like the clueless basketball minds you are.
Again, if Dawson laid the turd of a game of 20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 3 personal fouls...the same 5-7 of you here who try to champion such stat lines for Derrick as being good/great...would have been all over Dawson last year as proof he wasn't a better option than Derrick.
It was a historically bad and awful performance turned in by our PG last season. Not needing to be defended within 5 feet on the perimeter as a PG in high major ball is beyond awful. Your bizarre head coach trying to design ways to get you as a PG to primarily play out of the paint, and down low...as a way to try to force teams to guard him...was beyond stupid.
But hey...yeah...I know - why would a coach ask or want a PG that actually has to be guarded on the perimeter, is a threat to take and make 3 point shots, can actually run a fast break, make FTs at a respectable clip, and doesn't result in the team playing 4 on 5?? Ahh...thanks Wades..your brilliance finally helped answer my question: Not all players are asked to do the same thing on the basketball court!!! Genius! You mean centers aren't asked to be Point Guards? And PGs aren't asked to Centers? Or wait...we did actually try that goofy game last year trying to play Derrick down low. A PG is asked to orchestrate the f'in offense okay? What we had last year was the exact opposite of that.
I was referring to the 2011 game at UW Madison. The same 1 you were referring to. The same game you referenced Wilson's stat line from. Not sure where this long winded rant about last year comes in, but sure man.
If Dawson would've guarded UW's best player at UW this year, a senior preseason All American, and we would've won the game because their best player had a horrible offensive game, with Dawson scoring 0 points on 0 shots, I would've been ecstatic about it. You would've preferred to see the UW senior go off, we lose by 8, but Dawson score 8 points. You would've anointed him Magic Johnson 2.0. But you are a basketball genius, so you are right.
Different players and different games bring about different game plans and asking players to do different things. You don't ask your freshman back up point guard to jump into the toughest road game of the year, guard one of the best players in the country, and go for 20 and 10. But somehow that's what you expect and anything less is an awful game. You lack any knowledge of the game of basketball and what is being asked of players. You know 1 thing and 1 thing only, put the ball in the hoop. There is more to the game. I'm pretty sure you're pretty old, but maybe there's still time for you to figure it out.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 29, 2014, 10:37:26 PM
So in your predictions for each players' points per game average you are factoring in the games you believe each player will miss due to injury and/or suspension? (Serious question).
So as an example, Cohen could score 120 points in the non-conference and not score another point during conference play and roughly avg 4 ppg.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 30, 2014, 04:42:57 PM
So as an example, Cohen could score 120 points in the non-conference and not score another point during conference play and roughly avg 4 ppg.
Yes. I agree with this. But then Cohen would be contributing 4 ppg to the team's total ppg for the season. The reason a team's ppg for a season is sometimes different than the sum of each players' ppg on the roster is because when a player does not play in a game due to a suspension or injury the game is not taken into account in their ppg average. So when someone is making preseason predictions on players' ppg they're typically doing so without taking injury or suspension into consideration, and thus the sum of the players' ppg would be what you expect the team's season ppg to be.
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 30, 2014, 01:40:04 PM
You guys do realize that Wally finished second in NCAA Outdoors with a High Jump of 7-4.5?
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/trackfield-outdoor-men/d1/2014-di-track-and-field-results
Again, Wally is on the fast track to 2016 Olympic games in Rio. Why would he derail that opportunity to become a "package deal" for Henry to a school that has program with no experience putting high jumpers into the Olympics??" Restated, Wally's decision to transfer (or not) might be the bigger deal in the Ellenson household than Henry's. Wally has "outgrown" Minnesota and should be looking at an SEC/PAC-12 school.
Wally has stated he wants to continue to play basketball. Now he may have changed his mind since the second place finish, but he hasn't said anything public in that regard.
I think we're better known for track than for field.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 30, 2014, 04:53:03 PM
Yes. I agree with this. But then Cohen would be contributing 4 ppg to the team's total ppg for the season. The reason a team's ppg for a season is sometimes different than the sum of each players' ppg on the roster is because when a player does not play in a game due to a suspension or injury the game is not taken into account in their ppg average. So when someone is making preseason predictions on players' ppg they're typically doing so without taking injury or suspension into consideration, and thus the sum of the players' ppg would be what you expect the team's season ppg to be.
The team ppg is always going to differ from the sum of the players ppg. And almost always it's going to tend higher on the players sum ppg. Dylan Flood averaged .3 ppg last year and didn't play in probably 25 games. If we up our team ppg form 72 to 80, we will around be 85-90ppg individually. It's on the high end as I said, but not inconceivable.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 30, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
I was referring to the 2011 game at UW Madison. The same 1 you were referring to. The same game you referenced Wilson's stat line from. Not sure where this long winded rant about last year comes in, but sure man.
If Dawson would've guarded UW's best player at UW this year, a senior preseason All American, and we would've won the game because their best player had a horrible offensive game, with Dawson scoring 0 points on 0 shots, I would've been ecstatic about it. You would've preferred to see the UW senior go off, we lose by 8, but Dawson score 8 points. You would've anointed him Magic Johnson 2.0. But you are a basketball genius, so you are right.
Different players and different games bring about different game plans and asking players to do different things. You don't ask your freshman back up point guard to jump into the toughest road game of the year, guard one of the best players in the country, and go for 20 and 10. But somehow that's what you expect and anything less is an awful game. You lack any knowledge of the game of basketball and what is being asked of players. You know 1 thing and 1 thing only, put the ball in the hoop. There is more to the game. I'm pretty sure you're pretty old, but maybe there's still time for you to figure it out.
Hmm...where to start. No, I don't expect 20 and 10 from a freshman. I expect more than 5 and 3 from a junior PG getting 32 minutes a game...and more than 1, 3pt shot made all season and better than 43% FT shooting. Derrick played HALF (Buzz limited his minutes as best he could) of the Wisconsin game out of default due to Cadougan being suspended. Yes, he played a good game...nothing spectacular as some of you want to try to tout. We didn't win that game because of Derrick Wilson, okay? Try Mayo. Or Vander. Or DJ). Derrick won't ever "win" you a game...he may not cause you to lose one, but that is the ceiling.
Ironically, pretty sure Dawson got 1 legitimate chance to play this year, 30 minutes, on the road at arguably one of the 3 toughest road games we had, and guard a 1st Team All Big East PG in Markel Starks (much like Jordan Taylor was first team Big 10, but not good enough to get drafted). Starks had a good game offensively...took a season high 21 shots and got 28 points. But, Dawson got us 12 and absolutely helped us win that game with his play in overtime...arguably our best win of the whole season.
I like a basketball player, particularly at the PG position who can actually score the ball, orchestrate some type of fast break game, and require needing to be defended on the perimeter. It makes the job of the other 4 guys on the team much easier. Call me crazy. I'm pretty sure however, though, that Davante nor Jamil would call me crazy...
And I'm pretty sure your youthful ignorance is shining through brightly...I don't doubt one day you'll get a little wiser..but until...please stop making ludicrous posts on the matter.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 30, 2014, 05:45:37 PM
Wally has stated he wants to continue to play basketball. Now he may have changed his mind since the second place finish, but he hasn't said anything public in that regard.
I know he said that but he has to re-think this. He is a world class jumper right now. A year in the weight room to improve his vertical (as opposed to riding the the bench playing basketball) and he a 7-6 to 7-7 jumper next year. He's young, lots of jumpers peak in their mid-to late 20s.
In a year or two he can sign as a professional track athlete and make a lot more than he could in Europe playing basketball. Should he make the Olympic team, that would mean hundreds of thousands more in appearance fees.
Again, it is all about what he wants to do but he is blessed with a world class skill. Don't waste it riding the bench playing basketball.
Quote from: Ners on June 30, 2014, 08:51:05 PM
Hmm...where to start. No, I don't expect 20 and 10 from a freshman. I expect more than 5 and 3 from a junior PG getting 32 minutes a game...and more than 1, 3pt shot made all season and better than 43% FT shooting. Derrick played HALF (Buzz limited his minutes as best he could) of the Wisconsin game out of default due to Cadougan being suspended. Yes, he played a good game...nothing spectacular as some of you want to try to tout. We didn't win that game because of Derrick Wilson, okay? Try Mayo. Or Vander. Or DJ). Derrick won't ever "win" you a game...he may not cause you to lose one, but that is the ceiling.
Ironically, pretty sure Dawson got 1 legitimate chance to play this year, 30 minutes, on the road at arguably one of the 3 toughest road games we had, and guard a 1st Team All Big East PG in Markel Starks (much like Jordan Taylor was first team Big 10, but not good enough to get drafted). Starks had a good game offensively...took a season high 21 shots and got 28 points. But, Dawson got us 12 and absolutely helped us win that game with his play in overtime...arguably our best win of the whole season.
I like a basketball player, particularly at the PG position who can actually score the ball, orchestrate some type of fast break game, and require needing to be defended on the perimeter. It makes the job of the other 4 guys on the team much easier. Call me crazy. I'm pretty sure however, though, that Davante nor Jamil would call me crazy...
And I'm pretty sure your youthful ignorance is shining through brightly...I don't doubt one day you'll get a little wiser..but until...please stop making ludicrous posts on the matter.
You always bring up how many more points Derrick gave up than he scored. So using that logic, Derrick gave up 13 more points (and as BeeJay pointed out, a lot of those came with Derrick not in the game) more to the 1st team All B1G player in his one opportunity at quality minutes as a freshman in the biggest win of the season on the road over an NCAA team, while Dawson gave up 16 more points than he scored in an overtime win to an NIT team.
Do you see how flawed your logic is now? Or does it only make sense when it's you arguing the point for Dawson and when it makes Derrick appear in a positive light then it's a stupid, bad argument? I'm guessing that's what you think.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on June 30, 2014, 06:05:08 PM
I think we're better known for track than for field.
There was a guy on my floor who ran track at MU. His name was Pat Smith.
Ralph Metcalf ran back in my day
Quote from: keefe on July 01, 2014, 12:39:25 AM
There was a guy on my floor who ran track at MU. His name was Pat Smith.
We had a dude on 10 N who threw discus. Steve Prybramski.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 01, 2014, 05:28:58 AM
Ralph Metcalf ran back in my day
And how dashing a figure you cut back then.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZP5F0JET_94/Uj_9ZNQWLSI/AAAAAAAAKxQ/UsJsx1STSqc/s1600/racoon+coat.jpg)
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 01, 2014, 05:42:35 AM
We had a dude on 10 N who threw discus. Steve Prybramski.
Pyrambski was in my BusLaw class. He was the target of most of Tim Reuth's barbs. Seemed to take it well.
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 30, 2014, 09:01:18 PM
I know he said that but he has to re-think this. He is a world class jumper right now. A year in the weight room to improve his vertical (as opposed to riding the the bench playing basketball) and he a 7-6 to 7-7 jumper next year. He's young, lots of jumpers peak in their mid-to late 20s.
In a year or two he can sign as a professional track athlete and make a lot more than he could in Europe playing basketball. Should he make the Olympic team, that would mean hundreds of thousands more in appearance fees.
Again, it is all about what he wants to do but he is blessed with a world class skill. Don't waste it riding the bench playing basketball.
Well, you are right that it is all about what he wants to do. So he doesn't "have to re-think" anything.
Just because you would make a decision a certain way, doesn't mean he comes to that same decision.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 30, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
You always bring up how many more points Derrick gave up than he scored. So using that logic, Derrick gave up 13 more points (and as BeeJay pointed out, a lot of those came with Derrick not in the game) more to the 1st team All B1G player in his one opportunity at quality minutes as a freshman in the biggest win of the season on the road over an NCAA team, while Dawson gave up 16 more points than he scored in an overtime win to an NIT team.
Do you see how flawed your logic is now? Or does it only make sense when it's you arguing the point for Dawson and when it makes Derrick appear in a positive light then it's a stupid, bad argument? I'm guessing that's what you think.
My argument is that all season long last year you and about 7 other idiots tried to argue Derrick was our best option. And now that you mention it...go ahead and look at all the games last year at the PPG differential between our 32 minute per game PG and the opposition. We got crushed all season long. What if our PG could have made just 75% of his FTs...think that would have led to more wins? What if he needed to be guarded all over the floor? Think that would have made the game easier for his teammates instead of them having to play 4 on 5? Go ahead, answer the questions..
And as for your above logic...if you really want to split hairs...one game went 5 extra minutes...and in that same game Dawson played 30 minutes...do you want to extrapolate and try to figure out how many points Jordan Taylor would have scored had the game gone to OT and Derrick played 10 more minutes than he did? We practically can no beyond a doubt if Derrick played another 10 minutes he wouldn't have scored a point. Why did Buzz only play Derrick 20 minutes at the Kohl - he didn't even have a back up PG...but instead had to shift minutes to Vander and Mayo?
Why do you think all of a sudden Buzz's team was so poor in Offensive Rating last season, compared to all the other seasons? Hell the midgets were way better. You think Mo Acker was a better defender than Derrick Wilson?? Uhh....nobody would argue that...but which team was better? Midgets or last seasons? Keep in mind this last season was Buzz's most experienced team as well.
You HAVE to have a PG that can score the ball, penetrate, create in transition if you want to win. Dawson can do those things. Derrick can't. Period. End of story. The value offensively is greater than defensive - particularly at the PG position.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 08:31:16 AM
Well, you are right that it is all about what he wants to do. So he doesn't "have to re-think" anything.
Just because you would make a decision a certain way, doesn't mean he comes to that same decision.
He should do what he does best. Currently he has the 36th best jump in
the world this year. Restated, 5.5 billion people live on this planet and only 35 are better high jumpers than him this year. He will only get better with age and dedication.
You have to balance what you want to do with what you are good at. He is world class at jumping and an average to below average D1 basketball player. He must like jumping because he competes at it at the highest levels. It's like Jordan quitting basketball to play baseball. Wally is almost that good and that mediocre at his interests (high jumping and basketball). Does anyone think Jordan made a good decision?
Maybe he should transfer to Oregon where Track & Field is a big sport and has a huge fan base. He would feel better about jumping ans it would atract attention and fan support, as opposed to Minnesota where I'm sensing many probably look through him and not understand the significance of being a 7-4 high jumper at 20/21.
Mod's can we split this thread? Keep the Ellenson stuff together, and Ners' little fantasy world in a separate thread?
Better yet, can we merge all of Ners' rants into a new Everlasting Craptistical Derrick Wilson thread?
Quote from: Heisenberg on July 01, 2014, 09:36:10 AM
He should do what he does best. Currently he has the 36th best jump in the world this year. Restated, 5.5 billion people live on this planet and only 35 are better high jumpers than him this year. He will only get better with age and dedication.
You have to balance what you want to do with what you are good at. He is world class at jumping and an average to below average D1 basketball player. He must like jumping because he competes at it at the highest levels. It's like Jordan quitting basketball to play baseball. Wally is almost that good and that mediocre at his interests (high jumping and basketball). Does anyone think Jordan made a good decision?
Maybe he should transfer to Oregon where Track & Field is a big sport and has a huge fan base. He would feel better about jumping ans it would atract attention and fan support, as opposed to Minnesota where I'm sensing many probably look through him and not understand the significance of being a 7-4 high jumper at 20/21.
Well write him a letter and tell him you know what's best for him. I'm sure he'll appreciate it.
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 08:33:12 AM
My argument is that all season long last year you and about 7 other idiots tried to argue Derrick was our best option. And now that you mention it...go ahead and look at all the games last year at the PPG differential between our 32 minute per game PG and the opposition. We got crushed all season long. What if our PG could have made just 75% of his FTs...think that would have led to more wins? What if he needed to be guarded all over the floor? Think that would have made the game easier for his teammates instead of them having to play 4 on 5? Go ahead, answer the questions..
And as for your above logic...if you really want to split hairs...one game went 5 extra minutes...and in that same game Dawson played 30 minutes...do you want to extrapolate and try to figure out how many points Jordan Taylor would have scored had the game gone to OT and Derrick played 10 more minutes than he did? We practically can no beyond a doubt if Derrick played another 10 minutes he wouldn't have scored a point. Why did Buzz only play Derrick 20 minutes at the Kohl - he didn't even have a back up PG...but instead had to shift minutes to Vander and Mayo?
Why do you think all of a sudden Buzz's team was so poor in Offensive Rating last season, compared to all the other seasons? Hell the midgets were way better. You think Mo Acker was a better defender than Derrick Wilson?? Uhh....nobody would argue that...but which team was better? Midgets or last seasons? Keep in mind this last season was Buzz's most experienced team as well.
You HAVE to have a PG that can score the ball, penetrate, create in transition if you want to win. Dawson can do those things. Derrick can't. Period. End of story. The value offensively is greater than defensive - particularly at the PG position.
I have been commenting on Derrick's performance at Wisconsin in 2011. Again, I'm not sure where these long rants about last season are going. We get it, you think Dawson was a better option than Derrick. I disagree. Buzz disagreed.
You are really suggesting that had Derrick played more in the UW game that Taylor would've somehow gone off, despite BeeJay pointing out that Taylor was least effective when Derrick was in the game? You sure do use some interesting logic to try to knock Derrick. Not sure how you come to these conclusions, but man, they are interesting. I agree that Derrick wouldn't have scored. Guess what? Not every player is asked to carry the offensive load. Are you blaming the Miami Heat's failure to win the championship on Mario Chalmers because the pg on the team wasn't carrying them offensively? Should Chalmers have been counted on to be a scoring threat and the Heat have taken the ball out of Bosh's, Wade's, and LeBron's hands to see if Chalmers could've scored more? Maybe Spoelstra is an idiot and trying to get the big 3 the ball is a terrible gameplan. Just let Chalmers score, he is your pg after all. Wait, no. Derrick wouldn't have scored because he shouldn't have been counted on to score. A backup freshman pg playing his first significant minutes in college basketball won't be asked to do the same things Todd Mayo and Jae Crowder are asked to do. Again, I know that's a hard concept for you to understand, but asking the freshman backup point guard to score all the points would not be a very successful strategy. So why limit him to 20 minutes? Well, he wasn't prepared to play even 5, so I'd say he did a damn good job in his 20, and you apparently can't see that. Lack of understanding of the game. It's okay. Maybe you'll see controlling the basketball and defending the other team's best players are necessary to win the game, and Derrick did exactly what he was asked to do (not by you, be jade he didn't score!) and did it very well.
Ners: "But we were 17-15! We missed the NIT! We have Magic Johnson on our bench! (That right there says everything we need to know about your basketball knowledge.) Derrick can't score!"
Save us the time. I just responded for you. Nothing to do with the UW game, what is being discussed. If you can't argue something successfully, just change the subject! Ners at his finest.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 09:44:07 AM
Well write him a letter and tell him you know what's best for him. I'm sure he'll appreciate it.
Yeah, I know advising someone to do what they do best is a radical idea.
Quote from: Heisenberg on July 01, 2014, 09:59:35 AM
Yeah, I know advising someone to do what they do best is a radical idea.
Advising someone you don't know, and have never met, about what they *should* do is dumb.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 10:05:25 AM
Advising someone you don't know, and have never met, about what they *should* do is dumb.
Unless of course it is a politician. ;D
Ducks, and barely avoids the ban hammer.
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 01, 2014, 10:19:08 AM
Unless of course it is a politician. ;D
Ducks, and barely avoids the ban hammer.
Haven't you created enough chaos in this thread already?
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 08:33:12 AM
Keep in mind this last season was Buzz's most experienced team as well.
Last year's team returned the fewest minutes at point guard (457) of any of Buzz's teams. Previous minutes returned at basketball's most important position? 1264 (Elite 8), 712 (S16), 803 (S16), 536 (first round NCAA loss) and 1527 (round of 32 with 1100 of those 1527 minutes out with injury).
Last year's team returned the 2nd fewest minutes overall at the guard positions (988) of any of Buzz's teams. Previous minutes returned at college basketball's most important positions? 2904 (Elite 8), 2524 (S16), 1812 (S16), 832 (first round NCAA loss) and 4190 (round of 32 with 1100 minutes out at point guard).
Last year we returned Derrick, Todd and Jake at guard, our weakest returning group (along with Mo and Cubillan) in the Buzz era. In addition, JFB, DJO, Lazar and Buycks from that group were tougher and better than Jamil, Davante and Juan. We underachieved last year. No doubt about that. But people like you who believed the hype did so because you delved as deep in your preseason analysis as opposing coaches. (who spend 5 minutes and really couldn't care less).
This year we return 1332 minutes at the point guard position and 2330 minutes total at guard. In addition, Duane Wilson is healthy and a double digit scorer (Carlino) has transferred in. We should be much, much better in the backcourt this season given the experience and the additions. Weaker in the front court, yes, but as Chico says, it's a guards game. Given that we should be solidly better this year.
So...how did Henry's visit go on Saturday?
Quote from: MDMU04 on July 01, 2014, 11:03:45 AM
So...how did Henry's visit go on Saturday?
P.good. He was impressed with MUScoop & our willingness to go above and beyond criticizing our current and future Student Athletes.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 10:05:25 AM
Advising someone you don't know, and have never met, about what they *should* do is dumb.
This is entire place is dedicated to the art of telling people we know nothing about what they should do ... advising recruits on where they should go to school, players how to play the game, coaches how to coach, the administration on how to run the University, etc.
Restated, it is a message board!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 01, 2014, 11:08:24 AM
P.good. He was impressed with MUScoop & our willingness to go above and beyond criticizing our current and future Student Athletes.
Well played.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 10:27:18 AM
Haven't you created enough chaos in this thread already?
Guilty as charged.
He is in no hurry, trimming list in August.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/five-star-power-forward-ellenson-plans-to-trim-list-in-august/#more-118047
Life is so much better as a third party watching. I wish I figured this out before
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 01, 2014, 10:49:17 AM
Last year's team returned the fewest minutes at point guard (457) of any of Buzz's teams. Previous minutes returned at basketball's most important position? 1264 (Elite 8), 712 (S16), 803 (S16), 536 (first round NCAA loss) and 1527 (round of 32 with 1100 of those 1527 minutes out with injury).
Last year's team returned the 2nd fewest minutes overall at the guard positions (988) of any of Buzz's teams. Previous minutes returned at college basketball's most important positions? 2904 (Elite 8), 2524 (S16), 1812 (S16), 832 (first round NCAA loss) and 4190 (round of 32 with 1100 minutes out at point guard).
Last year we returned Derrick, Todd and Jake at guard, our weakest returning group (along with Mo and Cubillan) in the Buzz era. In addition, JFB, DJO, Lazar and Buycks from that group were tougher and better than Jamil, Davante and Juan. We underachieved last year. No doubt about that. But people like you who believed the hype did so because you delved as deep in your preseason analysis as opposing coaches. (who spend 5 minutes and really couldn't care less).
This year we return 1332 minutes at the point guard position and 2330 minutes total at guard. In addition, Duane Wilson is healthy and a double digit scorer (Carlino) has transferred in. We should be much, much better in the backcourt this season given the experience and the additions. Weaker in the front court, yes, but as Chico says, it's a guards game. Given that we should be solidly better this year.
I am glad to learn that you too agree PG is the most important position on the basketball floor, and I assume you also believe, without a decent one, you are screwed. Yet Buzz was hell bent on trying to prove he could win (assuming he really wanted to win last season which is very fair to call into question given all that has come out since his departure) with a severely challenged PG who he said caused the team to play 4 on 5! Brilliant Buzz.
As for the "returning" 1332 minutes at PG - I believe about 932 of those minutes will be a moot point...as that player won't see the floor a whole lot...and by virtue of that alone, next year's team stands a very good chance of being better - even though totally overmatched in the front court (as compared to last season.)
We really do not know which Wilson Buzz was planning on playing the most last year. He ended up not having a choice.
Quote from: bilsu on July 01, 2014, 06:54:48 PM
We really do not know which Wilson Buzz was planning on playing the most last year. He ended up not having a choice.
Actually I disagree. Bert had a choice. It didn't work out well for him, the team and guys like Gardner.
Quote from: Ners on June 30, 2014, 04:09:14 PM
Again, if Dawson laid the turd of a game of 20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 3 personal fouls...
LOL...so now Derrick played a "turd of a game" against UW? Interesting, because after the game you said the following:
Quote from: Ners on December 03, 2011, 06:50:23 PM
Derrick Wilson?? What can you say? He defended the hell out of 4 year player who is First Team All American.
And this...
Quote from: Ners on December 03, 2011, 05:52:16 PM
Kudos to Derrick Wilson. Such a tough defender. Very impressive for a freshman.
Face it, you are now downplaying Derrick Wilson's ability *in that game* because it doesn't fit your current narrative. I am struggling to figure out why anyone should take you seriously on this topic when you can't even be consistent with yourself.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 01, 2014, 11:08:24 AM
P.good. He was impressed with MUScoop & our willingness to go above and beyond criticizing our current and future Student Athletes.
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Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 01, 2014, 09:36:49 AM
Mod's can we split this thread? Keep the Ellenson stuff together, and Ners' little fantasy world in a separate thread?
Better yet, can we merge all of Ners' rants into a new Everlasting Craptistical Derrick Wilson thread?
Holy Shite! Do you have any idea of the maintenance hours that would be involved?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 10:27:18 AM
Haven't you created enough chaos in this thread already?
Amen, brother!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
LOL...so now Derrick played a "turd of a game" against UW? Interesting, because after the game you said the following:
And this...
Face it, you are now downplaying Derrick Wilson's ability *in that game* because it doesn't fit your current narrative. I am struggling to figure out why anyone should take you seriously on this topic when you can't even be consistent with yourself.
NAILED TO THE FLOOR!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
LOL...so now Derrick played a "turd of a game" against UW? Interesting, because after the game you said the following:
And this...
Face it, you are now downplaying Derrick Wilson's ability *in that game* because it doesn't fit your current narrative. I am struggling to figure out why anyone should take you seriously on this topic when you can't even be consistent with yourself.
Hahaha. Friggin hilarious. Well done Sultan.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 01, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
LOL...so now Derrick played a "turd of a game" against UW? Interesting, because after the game you said the following:
And this...
Face it, you are now downplaying Derrick Wilson's ability *in that game* because it doesn't fit your current narrative. I am struggling to figure out why anyone should take you seriously on this topic when you can't even be consistent with yourself.
LOL - Nice Sultan. Pretty sure you don't want to really play this game though. Your early comments on Buzz, Jake, Gardner, DJ Newbill... and a litany of other opinions will end up with you having a sh$t ton of egg on your face....thought you would have had enough after your season long defense of Buzz last year...and well..we saw how that turned out.
But to your points above....nobody denies Derrick played a good defensive game against Wisconsin...but...it is also undeniable that you and the other 5-7 morons here who last season swore up and down Derrick was the best option we had at point guard, and Buzz knows best, in Buzz I trust, Buzz's teams always get better as the season goes on...well...if Dawson had a game with 0, 0, and 3 PF's in 20 minutes of action, while holding his guy to say 8 points...it wouldn't have been trumpted here by you or the other clowns as being some holy grail type of performance.
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 11:41:54 PM
LOL - Nice Sultan. Pretty sure you don't want to really play this game though. Your early comments on Buzz, Jake, Gardner, DJ Newbill... and a litany of other opinions will end up with you having a sh$t ton of egg on your face....thought you would have had enough after your season long defense of Buzz last year...and well..we saw how that turned out.
But to your points above....nobody denies Derrick played a good defensive game against Wisconsin...but...it is also undeniable that you and the other 5-7 morons here who last season swore up and down Derrick was the best option we had at point guard, and Buzz knows best, in Buzz I trust, Buzz's teams always get better as the season goes on...well...if Dawson had a game with 0, 0, and 3 PF's in 20 minutes of action, while holding his guy to say 8 points...it wouldn't have been trumpted here by you or the other clowns as being some holy grail type of performance.
Ners after seeing those comments from before why don't you just say you were happy with Derrick's performance for where he was at that time but expected him to improve into a well rounded player by the time he was a junior and starting. That way you save face on you being happy after that UW game and can still continue the constant complaining about Derrick last year.
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Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 11:41:54 PM
LOL - Nice Sultan. Pretty sure you don't want to really play this game though. Your early comments on Buzz, Jake, Gardner, DJ Newbill... and a litany of other opinions will end up with you having a sh$t ton of egg on your face....thought you would have had enough after your season long defense of Buzz last year...and well..we saw how that turned out.
But to your points above....nobody denies Derrick played a good defensive game against Wisconsin...but...it is also undeniable that you and the other 5-7 morons here who last season swore up and down Derrick was the best option we had at point guard, and Buzz knows best, in Buzz I trust, Buzz's teams always get better as the season goes on...well...if Dawson had a game with 0, 0, and 3 PF's in 20 minutes of action, while holding his guy to say 8 points...it wouldn't have been trumpted here by you or the other clowns as being some holy grail type of performance.
First, you can bring up any of my past posts at any time you wish. I'm sure I have been wrong PLENTY of times. However, I won't pretend my previous opinions didn't exist to fit a current narrative like you do.
Second, I said I was done with last year's Derrick/Dawson debate. You said the same thing. Unlike you, when I say I am done...I am done. I'm not going to be baited back into it.
Quote from: Ners on July 01, 2014, 11:41:54 PM
LOL - Nice Sultan. Pretty sure you don't want to really play this game though. Your early comments on Buzz, Jake, Gardner, DJ Newbill... and a litany of other opinions will end up with you having a sh$t ton of egg on your face....thought you would have had enough after your season long defense of Buzz last year...and well..we saw how that turned out.
But to your points above....nobody denies Derrick played a good defensive game against Wisconsin...but...it is also undeniable that you and the other 5-7 morons here who last season swore up and down Derrick was the best option we had at point guard, and Buzz knows best, in Buzz I trust, Buzz's teams always get better as the season goes on...well...if Dawson had a game with 0, 0, and 3 PF's in 20 minutes of action, while holding his guy to say 8 points...it wouldn't have been trumpted here by you or the other clowns as being some holy grail type of performance.
Ners,
Since I'm the one who got you going on this rant (again), next time you are in Mpls, let me know. JayBee and I will hold a séance with you to help you exorcise this demon! ;D But you will have to buy.
Just givin' you some sheet.
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 02, 2014, 08:46:54 AM
Ners,
Since I'm the one who got you going on this rant (again), next time you are in Mpls, let me know. JayBee and I will hold a séance with you to help you exercise this demon! ;D But you will have to buy.
Just givin' you some sheet.
I hope you mean "exorcise." We don't need his Derrick Demon getting any stronger!
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 02, 2014, 08:46:54 AM
Ners,
Since I'm the one who got you going on this rant (again), next time you are in Mpls, let me know. JayBee and I will hold a séance with you to help you exercise this demon! ;D But you will have to buy.
Just givin' you some sheet.
+1000. Seance/Exorcism - whatever it takes. I think the upcoming season will be enough t put it to rest. I have high hopes.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 02, 2014, 09:17:45 AM
I hope you mean "exorcise." We don't need his Derrick Demon getting any stronger!
LOL. Fixed.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 01, 2014, 11:53:46 PM
Ners after seeing those comments from before why don't you just say you were happy with Derrick's performance for where he was at that time but expected him to improve into a well rounded player by the time he was a junior and starting. That way you save face on you being happy after that UW game and can still continue the constant complaining about Derrick last year.
BagpipingBoxer, drama coach.
Quote from: LittleMurs on July 02, 2014, 09:47:05 AM
BagpipingBoxer, drama coach.
Haha I'm going to have to be reborn bagpipingdramacoachingboxer
Holy mother of jehosephat.
I'm not gonna read all these pages, I know somewhere in pages 2 through two million that this sucker went off the rails.
If you need to be banned, please raise your hand. And not to facepalm, because I'm guessing most are doing that.
Wait, did I lock the wrong thread? #SeniorMoment..
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 02, 2014, 08:39:49 PM
Wait, did I lock the wrong thread? #SeniorMoment..
Possibly, but this one clearly was derailed...
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 02, 2014, 10:44:23 PM
Possibly, but this one clearly was derailed...
Don't they always?
Not sure if this is the thread to place this but here it goes...I earlier mentioned that I had heard from someone recruiting Ellenson that Marq, Duke and NW were the top 3 and that UW was out of the running. I heard today that this guy's opinion is that it is over with the signing of Wally. He feels that Marquette now has Henry locked up. I am not going to #DoneDeal this yet but this is one man's (the coach) very educated opinion.
Quote from: Black Swan on July 03, 2014, 10:47:59 AM
Not sure if this is the thread to place this but here it goes...I earlier mentioned that I had heard from someone recruiting Ellenson that Marq, Duke and NW were the top 3 and that UW was out of the running. I heard today that this guy's opinion is that it is over with the signing of Wally. He feels that Marquette now has Henry locked up. I am not going to #DoneDeal this yet but this is one man's (the coach) very educated opinion.
I'm honestly curious if this comes up when Wojo and Coach K talk on the phone, which I assume is pretty often. They are both competing for a very high profile recruit. Its interesting, to say the least.
Is it against NCAA rules for coaches to share recruiting information?
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 03, 2014, 10:51:58 AM
I'm honestly curious if this comes up when Wojo and Coach K talk on the phone, which I assume is pretty often. They are both competing for a very high profile recruit. Its interesting, to say the least.
Is it against NCAA rules for coaches to share recruiting information?
Don't forget Chris Collins. NW is a VERY big player in this one.
Quote from: Black Swan on July 03, 2014, 10:59:54 AM
Don't forget Chris Collins. NW is a VERY big player in this one.
I didn't realize Collins and Wojo played together.
We should get an annual home and home going with NU.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 03, 2014, 11:28:40 AM
I didn't realize Collins and Wojo played together.
We should get an annual home and home going with NU.
Also coached on K's staff together for years.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 03, 2014, 11:28:40 AM
I didn't realize Collins and Wojo played together.
We should get an annual home and home going with NU.
...........maybe at the United center, hey?
Quote from: We R Final Four on July 03, 2014, 12:16:19 PM
...........maybe at the United center, hey?
So it's an away and away for Marquette?
Doubleheader with ND coming in for the late game.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 03, 2014, 11:28:40 AM
I didn't realize Collins and Wojo played together.
We should get an annual home and home going with NU.
Maybe Marquette-NW will be part of the Gavitt tournament.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 03, 2014, 10:51:58 AM
I'm honestly curious if this comes up when Wojo and Coach K talk on the phone, which I assume is pretty often. They are both competing for a very high profile recruit. Its interesting, to say the least.
Is it against NCAA rules for coaches to share recruiting information?
It is not.
Now obviously, you can't do anything that would cross the line of FERPA or the like, but that's law-law, not NCAA-law.
Quote from: Black Swan on July 03, 2014, 10:47:59 AM
Not sure if this is the thread to place this but here it goes...I earlier mentioned that I had heard from someone recruiting Ellenson that Marq, Duke and NW were the top 3 and that UW was out of the running. I heard today that this guy's opinion is that it is over with the signing of Wally. He feels that Marquette now has Henry locked up. I am not going to #DoneDeal this yet but this is one man's (the coach) very educated opinion.
In a post filled with awesomeness...this was the most awesome. A true testament to the OT nature this board has become
Quote from: Black Swan on July 03, 2014, 10:47:59 AM
Not sure if this is the thread to place this but here it goes
Black Swan:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Henry was a longshot for UW well before Wally transferred to MU. Find it curious, especially given that John played @UW, the program has a lot of momentum and their will be all the playing time Henry could want as a freshman. Did the family and Bo not click?
Quote from: Boone on July 03, 2014, 02:33:17 PM
Black Swan:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Henry was a longshot for UW well before Wally transferred to MU. Find it curious, especially given that John played @UW, the program has a lot of momentum and they'll be all the playing time Henry could want as a freshman. Did the family and Bo not click?
I don't really know the answer to that one. I have heard that UW was out before the Wally transfer. My guess is that he wants to play a major role from day one and that might not happen at UW. Not that he wouldn't be good enough but Bo does things his way and that most times doesn't involve having a "star" Fresh. People might be surprised how even some of UW's "star" players feel about their roles. Without going into much detail, I promise you that Sam Dekker will be going pro after this season. It was a done deal at the mid point last year but then he had a tough 2nd half. Draw your own conclusions.
Thanks. As it is, UW stands to lose a lot of key players due to graduation in '15. An early exit by Dekker would be a killer blow.
Quote from: Black Swan on July 03, 2014, 03:07:35 PM
I don't really know the answer to that one. I have heard that UW was out before the Wally transfer. My guess is that he wants to play a major role from day one and that might not happen at UW. Not that he wouldn't be good enough but Bo does things his way and that most times doesn't involve having a "star" Fresh. People might be surprised how even some of UW's "star" players feel about their roles. Without going into much detail, I promise you that Sam Dekker will be going pro after this season. It was a done deal at the mid point last year but then he had a tough 2nd half. Draw your own conclusions.
I had an extended chat with a guy claiming to be a cousin of Dekker's. I was wearing MU gear and he started up the convo. I was surprised a badger would talk to a guy in MU garb. He said that in-state, he hated MU. Out on the road (in Michigan) he liked them and was glad to start a basketball conversation with someone who knew MU and Wiscy hoops. He said that Dekker was unhappy as a stretch 4. That Bo was a good coach, but Sam didn't like defending big guys or spending time on the blocks. That there weren't really positions in Bo's offense, but still..... Of course, this was in February before the run so I took it with a grain of salt.