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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: moomoo on May 29, 2014, 05:18:59 PM
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"Wojciechowski did not mention any specific unsigned recruits or walk-on players who he is pursuing and added that he is content with the current roster."
6-7 center who basically missed all of last year
6-6 power forward who has not really shown much improvement.
No help until mid December, when a legit center arrives, but he has played very little as well.
I'm not content. In fact, I'm concerned how small we will be forced to play against some big boys in the BEAST.
Can't find one bruising type to help?
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"Wojciechowski did not mention any specific unsigned recruits or walk-on players who he is pursuing and added that he is content with the current roster."
6-7 center who basically missed all of last year
6-6 power forward who has not really shown much improvement.
No help until mid December, when a legit center arrives, but he has played very little as well.
I'm not content. In fact, I'm concerned how small we will be forced to play against some big boys in the BEAST.
Can't find one bruising type to help?
Send him a list of available quality bigs that will be eligible for next season. I'm sure he hasn't looked into it, and I'm sure he would much appreciate it. Maybe he'd even offer you a spot on the bench as an assistant coach.
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Send him a list of available quality bigs that will be eligible for next season. I'm sure he hasn't looked into it, and I'm sure he would much appreciate it. Maybe he'd even offer you a spot on the bench as an assistant coach.
Easy does it, wadesworld, don't go hurting yourself. No need to get sarcastic. Just surprised we couldn't find a serviceable rebounder type, that's all.
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Easy does it, wadesworld, don't go hurting yourself. No need to get sarcastic. Just surprised we couldn't find a serviceable rebounder type, that's all.
There is nobody left out there. What do you want him to say when there is absolutely no quality big out there that we can possibly land? "We have no post play so I'm desperately looking for a big but can't find any!" 5 minutes after the team sees that article, "Hey Steve and Luke, I can't wait to coach you guys, I have all the confidence in the world in you guys!"
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"Wojciechowski did not mention any specific unsigned recruits or walk-on players who he is pursuing and added that he is content with the current roster."
6-7 center who basically missed all of last year
6-6 power forward who has not really shown much improvement.
No help until mid December, when a legit center arrives, but he has played very little as well.
I'm not content. In fact, I'm concerned how small we will be forced to play against some big boys in the BEAST.
Can't find one bruising type to help?
Concern (worry) doesn't accomplish anything. DePaul usually has had a quality big their entire time in the Beast, it hasn't worked out too well for them. The Beast season doesn't start until after first semester, so we'll have Fischer.
Wadesworld might have laid it on a little thick, but he has a point given your plea "Can't find one bruising type to help?". There weren't many (if any) realistic options for this year once Wojo got hired.
Wojo concentrated on getting assistant coaches he had faith in and now seems to be spending his time where it can get a decent return - on the 2015 and 2016 classes.
BTW, a belated thank you for all the recruiting info you provide.
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It has become clear that Wojo isn't going the JUCO route and is not interested in just having bodies for practice. If there was someone available that met his criteria AND WAS WILLING TO COME, I am relatively sure Wojo would have grabbed him.
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There HAS to be a Euro....or African....or Aussie/Kiwi....or Brazilian/Argentinian....big available!
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You cats are forgettin' 'bout addin' a big walk-on, hey?
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You cats are forgettin' 'bout addin' a big walk-on, hey?
Think Doug McDermott has any buddies willing to walk on here?
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It has become clear that Wojo isn't going the JUCO route and is not interested in just having bodies for practice. If there was someone available that met his criteria AND WAS WILLING TO COME, I am relatively sure Wojo would have grabbed him.
I wouldn't say this definitely proves that Wojo won't go the juco route. When he took the job there were only two of the top 75 jucos left. One was a guard, the other has a slew of off the court issues and is still uncommitted.
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I thought the school made it clear they weren't interested in jucos? I might be wrong but that is what I heard.
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Wojo thinks we are good. But how good? NCAA tournament good? We don't need another big to be good but there are a couple of unused schollies that are still available for 2014, right?.
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Wojo thinks we are good. But how good? NCAA tournament good? We don't need another big to be good but there are a couple of unused schollies that are still available for 2014, right?.
I think we have 2 open right now.
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Wojo thinks we are good. But how good? NCAA tournament good? We don't need another big to be good but there are a couple of unused schollies that are still available for 2014, right?.
And a plethora of big men to fill them for one year only!
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Look we sucked last year and we had a pretty respectable front court. College is a guards game. Carlino, Mayo, Deonte (sorta) and hopefully JJJ and Duane can bring a scoring punch we didn't have from our guards last year.
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I thought the school made it clear they weren't interested in jucos? I might be wrong but that is what I heard.
There is a school of thought that says that Buzz went to Cords and asked for more JuCo's, returning the frosh players to Humphrey hall, and returning the admission standard for incoming freshmen to the NCAA standard and not the standard set by Larry and Pilarz. Cords said no. Buzz aggressively started looking for other employment.
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It has become clear that Wojo isn't going the JUCO route and is not interested in just having bodies for practice. If there was someone available that met his criteria AND WAS WILLING TO COME, I am relatively sure Wojo would have grabbed him.
I would be shocked is Wojo ever took the JUCO route.
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I do not know how good we will be, but it should be a more exciting team than last year. More three point shots and fast breaks off of steals. I am hoping Wojo uses a lot of pressing.
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I would be shocked is Wojo ever took the JUCO route.
It would be very short sighted of Marquette to never sign a JUCO. We have had great success with these kids over the years and should be evaluated on a case by case basis. Why is there such a JUCO backlash from the administration? Now that our conference is weaker than it was, we should utilize all avenues if it improves our team. As long as they can qualify and are "Marquette" people, I don't understand the discrimination against JUCO's.
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The problem with Jucos is that they often come here without transferable credits because they usually major in PE and Marquette doesn't have a PE program. That is why the two year Jucos we have had like Jae aren't near graduation...and that's an APR problem.
This is different than the one-year Jucos (JFB, DJO). Also McKay was different so he committed early and MU was able to work with him on making sure he had transferable classes in a major that MU offered.
This is the reason MU has clamped down on Jucos. It isn't "discrimination."
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Easy does it, wadesworld, don't go hurting yourself. No need to get sarcastic. Just surprised we couldn't find a serviceable rebounder type, that's all.
How many "serviceable" guys do you think are out there that would be eligible for next year? Just because you are tall, that doesn't mean that you are "serviceable" at the D1 level.
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Wojo thinks we are good. But how good? NCAA tournament good? We don't need another big to be good but there are a couple of unused schollies that are still available for 2014, right?.
Would be really surprised if this team doesn't make the NCAA tournament next spring. Lots of talent. Fresh coach...new voice....and one that will be a lot more stable I suspect in his rotations. Our guard play will be SO much better this upcoming year....it will be evident that though it is nice to have a good big like Davante....you can still win at a high clip with good guards....but have bad guards...forget it.
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The article was fluff, did not say much, what is Wojo suppose to say, I do not like my players, I doubt that. Basically a nothing article. There is talent there, we all know that, but not getting
1 more big will be challenging next year. Hard to believe, he could not get one transfer with 500 out there besides Carlino, who will be a nice addition.
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The problem with Jucos is that they often come here without transferable credits because they usually major in PE and Marquette doesn't have a PE program. That is why the two year Jucos we have had like Jae aren't near graduation...and that's an APR problem.
This is different than the one-year Jucos (JFB, DJO). Also McKay was different so he committed early and MU was able to work with him on making sure he had transferable classes in a major that MU offered.
This is the reason MU has clamped down on Jucos. It isn't "discrimination."
That's why we should look at it on a case by case basis. Maybe we are, but to just flat out say JUCO's are not welcome at Marquette is discriminatory.
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Do you guys not listen to his interviews? In every single one he says his main goal and focus has been to establish relationships with the current team (which he clearly has) and to focus on 2015 recruiting....he mostly says in state kids. I love that he's banking the schollies and will bring in "his guys" next year rather than grab a useless body just because we have an open scholarship.
Also if we need guys for practice they're always walkons available, plus our whole coaching staff was All Americans.
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That's why we should look at it on a case by case basis. Maybe we are, but to just flat out say JUCO's are not welcome at Marquette is discriminatory.
Marquette just admitted a Juco a year ago. No one has ever said they are "not welcome." They may be "less welcome" than a few years ago, but as I said, there are clear and objective reasons for that.
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That's why we should look at it on a case by case basis. Maybe we are, but to just flat out say JUCO's are not welcome at Marquette is discriminatory.
Soooo, in the grand scheme of things, what does this "discriminatory" claim mean to you? What should happened as a result?
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The problem with Jucos is that they often come here without transferable credits because they usually major in PE and Marquette doesn't have a PE program. That is why the two year Jucos we have had like Jae aren't near graduation...and that's an APR problem.
This is different than the one-year Jucos (JFB, DJO). Also McKay was different so he committed early and MU was able to work with him on making sure he had transferable classes in a major that MU offered.
This is the reason MU has clamped down on Jucos. It isn't "discrimination."
But JFB and DJO worked from an Admin perspective. I understand the PE credits and these cases should be viewed closer--however I loved that Crowder picked MU.
But as you say these are different cases and should be treated as such.
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"Wojciechowski did not mention any specific unsigned recruits or walk-on players who he is pursuing and added that he is content with the current roster."
6-7 center who basically missed all of last year
6-6 power forward who has not really shown much improvement.
No help until mid December, when a legit center arrives, but he has played very little as well.
I'm not content. In fact, I'm concerned how small we will be forced to play against some big boys in the BEAST.
Can't find one bruising type to help?
Obviously, we don't know how good Fischer is going to be yet. But he will have been playing for a couple of weeks before we face any Big East opponents.
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Soooo, in the grand scheme of things, what does this "discriminatory" claim mean to you? What should happened as a result?
What does it mean to me? It means that I think if they don't accept players based on their JUCO status, I find it discriminatory. If they have everything in order, it is foolish for us not to look at them because of the JUCO stigma. They can do whatever they want obviously, but to me it gives off a snooty type vibe...it's not like we are an Ivy League school.
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What does it mean to me? It means that I think if they don't accept players based on their JUCO status, I find it discriminatory. If they have everything in order, it is foolish for us not to look at them because of the JUCO stigma. They can do whatever they want obviously, but to me it gives off a snooty type vibe...it's not like we are an Ivy League school.
That's the qualifier you need to remember.
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But JFB and DJO worked from an Admin perspective. I understand the PE credits and these cases should be viewed closer--however I loved that Crowder picked MU.
When the changes were made, Jae was cited by name as an example of the type of player that will not be admitted. Even though he was a great player and representative of the university. That rankled some folks big time, especially our former coach.
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I would be shocked is Wojo ever took the JUCO route.
I tend to agree, though the occassional JUCO may happen. Considering that is not the experience WOJO had at Duke, it is not likely he goes there.
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What does it mean to me? It means that I think if they don't accept players based on their JUCO status, I find it discriminatory. If they have everything in order, it is foolish for us not to look at them because of the JUCO stigma. They can do whatever they want obviously, but to me it gives off a snooty type vibe...it's not like we are an Ivy League school.
Depending on the criteria, discrimination is not only a good thing, but a necessary thing. I discriminate against over ripe fruit whenever I go to the store. UConn probably wishes that it was more discriminating against recruits who were poor students in the years prior to having the NCAA ban them from the NCAA tournament for poor academic performance.
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The article was fluff, did not say much, what is Wojo suppose to say, I do not like my players, I doubt that. Basically a nothing article. There is talent there, we all know that, but not getting
1 more big will be challenging next year. Hard to believe, he could not get one transfer with 500 out there besides Carlino, who will be a nice addition.
Yes, there were 500 transfers out there, but moomoo started this thread talking about next year, and the vast majority of those 500 were not graduate transfers who would be available to play next year like Carlino is. As TAMU's excellent thread of graduate transfers showed, the at least one of the few eligible big men who could have helped this year was pursued and lost to Wake forest which was closer to his home.
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Depending on the criteria, discrimination is not only a good thing, but a necessary thing. I discriminate against over ripe fruit whenever I go to the store. UConn probably wishes that it was more discriminating against recruits who were poor students in the years prior to having the NCAA ban them from the NCAA tournament for poor academic performance.
That analogy between bringing in poor students and bringing in a JUCO is stretching it. I'm not saying bring in lots of them, just to do due diligence on a couple and see if they could help us on the court provided their classroom skills are up to par. It seems like a lot of people just think we are completely done with JUCO's period.
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Marquette just admitted a Juco a year ago. No one has ever said they are "not welcome." They may be "less welcome" than a few years ago, but as I said, there are clear and objective reasons for that.
Exactly.
The issue in the past is that some of the guys from JUCOs were at essentially at diploma mills, quite frankly. No one at MU has said JUCOs are off base, but each situation is unique. Buzz pushed the limit with some and if folks knew some of the details they would understand the university's position except for those that feel its Just Win Baby and win at all costs. Those folks view things as a zero sum game, however. As if no other player on the planet would be as good or capable as the exceptions that were made.
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