the other board is discussing based upon worse sources than shaka to mu, but i'd certainly love to have travis around for the next 3-5 years and possibly in waiting for wojo to go back to duke if all things go well for him at mu. did i miss the thread on here or is their no credibility to the story?
No coaching experience. No reason to hire someone with none.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 19, 2014, 12:11:42 PM
No coaching experience. No reason to hire someone with none.
yeah, what does phil jackson know.
and for that matter...you know that's how our current coach got his first gig right?? at duke nonetheless, with that moron coach k. hiring a coach without any experience...and from the rumors on the other board the gig isn't even an assistant coaching job so he could get his feet wet without taking an official coaching spot.
He comes from a family of coaches. Besides that there would not be any coaches, if no one gave them the first job.
He's looking at the DBO SADS position. (Sultan is more correct than me)
His oldest is nearing school age, and he's been mulling over hanging up the laces to return to the states. A lot of his decision will be made after this season ends and those results. He is 32 years old.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 19, 2014, 12:11:42 PM
No coaching experience. No reason to hire someone with none.
It would be for the Student Athlete Development Specialist position which is about as entry-level as you can get. (Jamie McNeilly filled this position under Buzz.) And Deiner would be a tremendous fit and probably over-qualified.
A former MU player, NBA player, and a solid career in Europe? He'd be fantastic.
Quote from: PTM on May 19, 2014, 12:15:31 PM
He's looking at the DBO position.
Not the DBO position. Justin Gainey has that.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 19, 2014, 12:18:06 PM
It would be for the Student Athlete Development Specialist position which is about as entry-level as you can get. (Jamie McNeilly filled this position under Buzz.) And Deiner would be a tremendous fit and probably over-qualified.
A former MU player, NBA player, and a solid career in Europe? He'd be fantastic.
+1
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 19, 2014, 12:18:42 PM
Not the DBO position. Justin Gainey has that.
Yep, you are correct.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 19, 2014, 12:18:06 PM
It would be for the Student Athlete Development Specialist position which is about as entry-level as you can get. (Jamie McNeilly filled this position under Buzz.) And Deiner would be a tremendous fit and probably over-qualified.
A former MU player, NBA player, and a solid career in Europe? He'd be fantastic.
thanks for the info...would love to see him back at MU involved with bball in any capacity.
for titles like SADS and DOB...how does the NCAA oversee those positions? i would positions like SADS and DOB have to be regulated to ensure they're not just different titles for assistant coach?
He's actually put together a nice year in Italy too. He was the MVP of the Italian Basketball Cup. He could definitely keep playing over there if he wants, but a position this close to home doesn't open up all that often. And as PTM said, his family is at the point where some decisions need to be made.
And PTM his season ended over there at the end of April.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 19, 2014, 12:25:24 PM
He's actually put together a nice year in Italy too. He was the MVP of the Italian Basketball Cup. He could definitely keep playing over there if he wants, but a position this close to home doesn't open up all that often. And as PTM said, his family is at the point where some decisions need to be made.
And PTM his season ended over there at the end of April.
My information is highly outdated.
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If you can break into coaching at an elite program why bother with paying your dues at Precious Blood Middle School?
Quote from: avid1010 on May 19, 2014, 12:25:01 PM
thanks for the info...would love to see him back at MU involved with bball in any capacity.
for titles like SADS and DOB...how does the NCAA oversee those positions? i would positions like SADS and DOB have to be regulated to ensure they're not just different titles for assistant coach?
I'm not exactly sure, but neither position can conduct off-site recruiting. I'm sure they have some responsibilities that are mandated by the NCAA, but they are basically just assistant coaches.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 19, 2014, 12:18:06 PM
It would be for the Student Athlete Development Specialist position which is about as entry-level as you can get. (Jamie McNeilly filled this position under Buzz.) And Deiner would be a tremendous fit and probably over-qualified.
A former MU player, NBA player, and a solid career in Europe? He'd be fantastic.
Don't see how this doesn't make all the sense in the world from MU's standpoint. Huge from an alumni base and connection standpoint(he's gotta help with fundraising right?). He's got a ton of connections in Wisconsin either himself or through family. He'd be coming into a very low risk position....I see no reason why this wouldn't be a no brainer if he wants the job.
Listen Sallys, I never said he couldn't be an assistant, but to place him in line "for when Wojo leaves for Duke" in 3-5 years would be stupid.
I never said he couldn't do it, but 3-5 years is a lot too quick to be the head coach of a BEAST school considering he has zero experience.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 19, 2014, 12:35:10 PM
Listen Sallys, I never said he couldn't be an assistant, but to place him in line "for when Wojo leaves for Duke" in 3-5 years would be stupid.
Well I agree, but your post wasn't terribly clear when all you said was: "No coaching experience. No reason to hire someone with none."
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 19, 2014, 12:35:10 PM
Listen Sallys,
I prefer Henrietta when I'm being referred to in a derogatory manner, just more interesting.....thanks chum ;D
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 19, 2014, 12:35:10 PM
when Wojo leaves for Duke in 3-5 years/quote]
Not sure why this has any traction whatsoever. And I would wager that Wojo is far from the leading candidate to succeed K at this point. There are many strong horses in that field.
Quote from: keefe on May 19, 2014, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 19, 2014, 12:35:10 PM
when Wojo leaves for Duke in 3-5 years/quote]
Not sure why this has any traction whatsoever. And I would wager that Wojo is far from the leading candidate to succeed K at this point. There are many strong horses in that field.
Agreed
Vastly more likely that Wardle would be the go to alum coach in waiting than Diener.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 19, 2014, 12:39:58 PM
Well I agree, but your post wasn't terribly clear when all you said was: "No coaching experience. No reason to hire someone with none."
I replied unclearly to an unclear statement.
I'll get up against the wall.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 19, 2014, 12:58:51 PM
I replied unclearly to an unclear statement.
I'll get up against the wall.
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Same goes for Fred Hoiberg!!!!!!
I care what these assistants credentials are--This is not a who's who's, I want to win basketballs games NOW.
What did Carawell, Nelson and the guy Drake accomplish recruiting? NOTHING!. Diener, who knows.
I hope they do well and I'm wrong. I what experience recruiters.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on May 19, 2014, 01:51:35 PM
I care what these assistants credentials are--This is not a who's who's, I want to win basketballs games NOW.
What did Carawell, Nelson and the guy Drake accomplish recruiting? NOTHING!. Diener, who knows.
I hope they do well and I'm wrong. I what experience recruiters.
Yeah, why the hell can't Wojo get K, Donovan, and Izzo on our bench?! Along with Roy Williams as our DBO and Calipari as the Student Athlete Development Specialist? This hire is a FAIL! Wojo still hasn't won a game yet!
Quote from: Earl Tatum on May 19, 2014, 01:51:35 PM
I care what these assistants credentials are--This is not a who's who's, I want to win basketballs games NOW.
What did Carawell, Nelson and the guy Drake accomplish recruiting? NOTHING!. Diener, who knows.
I hope they do well and I'm wrong. I what experience recruiters.
So you don't care what their credentials are...but you care that they are experienced recruiters.
This makes no sense.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 19, 2014, 02:02:55 PM
So you don't care what their credentials are...but you care that they are experienced recruiters.
This makes no sense.
I love lamp
I look at a guy like Stevens who was about a decade ahead of the age/maturity curve, and I could see how Travis might be perceived as being about a decade behind. That's not to say he couldn't be the right guy for the position in 3, 5, or 10 years, but even if he had several years of coaching experience under his belt, I don't think he'd pass the sniff test with the powers-that-be at MU today.
This is a program that is going to go to great lengths during the foreseeable future to avoid any bit of drama.
I would definitely welcome Diener.
Though, picturing the Baby-Faced Assassin with a scowl is definitely a chore and a half.
It is interesting with zero coaching experience today, some can already envision Travis Diener as Marquette's next basketball coach.
Yet at the same time, the board would have gone in total meltdown mode had Brian Wardle been named head coach after only 11 years of assistant/head coaching experience.
Quote from: keefe on May 19, 2014, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 19, 2014, 12:35:10 PM
when Wojo leaves for Duke in 3-5 years/quote]
Not sure why this has any traction whatsoever. And I would wager that Wojo is far from the leading candidate to succeed K at this point. There are many strong horses in that field.
Keefe, your forgetting the Wojo National Title at MU within that 3 to 5 year time frame, as that will put him squarely at the top of Duke' list. In all seriousness, that would be a great hire. A guy with Diener's experience at a low level position would be great. Another guy that knows how to play the game and has played it at all levels. I don't know why Diener would pass up another year or two in Italy, but I suppose if he wants to start act two of his life in coaching, he better get going with act 2 now before he is too old.
Quote from: ZiggysChestHair on May 19, 2014, 03:13:49 PM
It is interesting with zero coaching experience today, some can already envision Travis Diener as Marquette's next basketball coach.
Yet at the same time, the board would have gone in total meltdown mode had Brian Wardle been named head coach after only 11 years of assistant/head coaching experience.
This happens all the time on Scoop:
Unknown >>>>>>>> Known and not exactly spectacular.
Other uses: Every freshman that comes to MU before they start playing.
Diener comes from a legendary dynasty of high school basketball coaches (dad and uncle both coach/coached at Fond du Lac and MPS schools).
I'd be thrilled to see him on the bench in some capacity. As others have said here, it would be a very low-risk hire.
Understood that this particular position cannot conduct offsite recruiting, but maybe down the line he can try to dominating the Wisco recruiting pipeline. You gotta believe he has tons of connections to coaches through his family and his own connections playing ball back in the early 2000s.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 19, 2014, 03:18:41 PM
This happens all the time on Scoop:
Unknown >>>>>>>> Known and not exactly spectacular.
Other uses: Every freshman that comes to MU before they start playing.
Ya, but I know (insert recruit) is going to be sweet right away!
He just needs minutes!
I'd be pumped for this hire. He bleeds MU blue. He can relate to kids. I'd bet if he wants it, he will be a fast riser in the coaching ranks.
Again, the only reason I can see him leaving what he currently has is to get his coaching career moving. If he waits 2 or 3 more years, he will not have a shot at a big time head job until he is well into his 40's. If he starts now, and things go well, he could have a shot before 40. (I said a shot, so all the detractors hold off, I am saying have a shot at it).
I'd love to see him try to work up the ranks at MU. If he can coach the kids on skills development, no reason he can't work his way up to an assistant in a couple of years and be more involved in recruiting.
check out mark few's bio. the guy played neither college nor nba ball, graduated in 1987 with a b.s. degree in phy ed, a couple of years of asst. coach at gonzaga then headcoach in 1990...the rest is history. a very very good history so far. why he is still at gonzaga, i haven't looked into yet. maybe someone here knows how gonzaga has been able to keep him corralled. but just a tidbit of info for those of you who are concerned about experience. i understand it's a little bit of a crap shoot, but few's background certainly doesn't have college superstar written all over it
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 19, 2014, 04:43:15 PM
check out mark few's bio. the guy played neither college nor nba ball, graduated in 1987 with a b.s. degree in phy ed, a couple of years of asst. coach at gonzaga then headcoach in 1990...the rest is history. a very very good history so far.
This isn't accurate.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 19, 2014, 04:43:15 PM
maybe someone here knows how gonzaga has been able to keep him corralled.
Simply put, Few and his family are settled comfortably in Spokane. They love the Inland Empire, are pillars in their community, and are extremely satisfied with their lifestyle. Gonzaga accommodates Few's wishes and needs and has given him what he needs to be successful without the attendant unrealistic expectations.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on May 19, 2014, 04:49:38 PM
This isn't accurate.
well then you probably should call wiki and help them out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Few
Quote from: keefe on May 19, 2014, 05:12:32 PM
Simply put, Few and his family are settled comfortably in Spokane. They love the Inland Empire, are pillars in their community, and are extremely satisfied with their lifestyle. Gonzaga accommodates Few's wishes and needs and has given him what he needs to be successful without the attendant unrealistic expectations.
makes sense to me. i thought stevens was in the same situation at butler until the nba lured him away. not saying this to disagree with you at all though, but i am surprised there aren't a few(no pun intended) more college coaches in that situation
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 19, 2014, 05:36:13 PM
makes sense to me. i thought stevens was in the same situation at butler until the nba lured him away. not saying this to disagree with you at all though, but i am surprised there aren't a few(no pun intended) more college coaches in that situation
A bud of mine here in Bellevue played ball for the Zags and is rather active as a booster. He made some money slaving away at The Evil Empire of Redmond and has given a few shekels to support their athletic programs so has gotten to know Few. According to him, Few is extremely happy. Being set for life can be comforting.
Diener would be a great fit as a coach and then when needed could play on the floor on practice sessions. The two for one special.
Would love to see this happen. He would be great addition and brings a ton of real life experience. Plus his uncle is major connected to the best players in Milwaukee.
My only condition for Diener to be brought on board would be for him to bring tackling dummies back to the MU program. Teach these kids some toughness.
I'm astounded anyone would have the slightest hesitation bringing Travis Diener back to the Marquette program. The guy has a lot to offer. Certainly more than any of us chuckleheads. Get him on-board now in any capacity.
Quote from: keefe on May 19, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
A bud of mine here in Bellevue played ball for the Zags and is rather active as a booster. He made some money slaving away at The Evil Empire of Redmond and has given a few shekels to support their athletic programs so has gotten to know Few. According to him, Few is extremely happy. Being set for life can be comforting.
Some coaches actually mean it when they say they are happy and want to stay long term.
Quote from: keefe on May 19, 2014, 08:06:35 PM
I'm astounded anyone would have the slightest hesitation bringing Travis Diener back to the Marquette program. The guy has a lot to offer. Certainly more than any of us chuckleheads. Get him on-board now in any capacity.
Absolutely agree. Would be great for MU.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 19, 2014, 12:11:42 PM
No coaching experience. No reason to hire someone with none.
I heard Calipari had lots of experience when he was hired as an assistant for the 1st time ::)
Same with lots of other guys....whoops, make that
every other guy. I think they all had experience before they started their 1st assistant coaching job.
Travis would stay at Marquette as long as they will have him.
Quote from: keefe on May 19, 2014, 12:26:44 PM
If you can break into coaching at an elite program why bother with paying your dues at Precious Blood Middle School?
Maybe so you can coach a team whose mascot is the Pork Eating Crusader?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 19, 2014, 08:19:49 PM
Travis would stay at Marquette as long as they will have him.
Careful, Doc. You don't want to get any of that stink on Diener. More horrific than the worst eye watering, knee buckling, stomach turning fart.
Travis needs to get back in town as he is the one player that escaped me in 2003 when getting the team's autographs it the MPLS Hilton. Need his autograph. I'll even let him sign right next to where Hank autographed the shirt.
Most of the logic on this thread is just absurd. Diener was a good college player so he must be a good coach. durrrrr. Using this logic if Novak retired, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career. Wait, but if Wade retires, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career.
Wait, success as a player has no actual correlation with coaching ability.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on May 19, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
Most of the logic on this thread is just absurd. Diener was a good college player so he must be a good coach. durrrrr. Using this logic if Novak retired, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career. Wait, but if Wade retires, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career.
Wait, success as a player has no actual correlation with coaching ability.
Correct. But as a bench coach, player to former player chemistry can be powerful.
It's never a given, but it can be powerful.
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 19, 2014, 08:39:49 PM
Travis needs to get back in town as he is the one player that escaped me in 2003 when getting the team's autographs it the MPLS Hilton. Need his autograph. I'll even let him sign right next to where Hank autographed the shirt.
Crowne Plaza.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on May 19, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
Most of the logic on this thread is just absurd. Diener was a good college player so he must be a good coach. durrrrr. Using this logic if Novak retired, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career. Wait, but if Wade retires, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career.
Wait, success as a player has no actual correlation with coaching ability.
Nobody is suggesting he be brought in as the head coach or even as a lead assistant. A guy who excelled at the highest level of the game has a lot to offer along many dimensions. In any event, Wojo is the gate keeper and if he sees value he'll hire Diener. And frankly, there's not one Swinging Richard here who could argue otherwise. Unfortunately, regardless of what happens with this potentiality, people here will argue that someone is a bonehead and needs to be punished.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on May 19, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
Most of the logic on this thread is just absurd. Diener was a good college player so he must be a good coach. durrrrr. Using this logic if Novak retired, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career. Wait, but if Wade retires, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career.
Wait, success as a player has no actual correlation with coaching ability.
He comes from a family of coaches; he played at MU; he is a student of the game; what more could you want for a 4th asst.?
You do realize that if no one hires coaches with no experience, eventually there will be no coaches.
I sure want Duane/John/Noskowiak being coached by two really good college PGs. There's no downside to Travis joining the support staff.
Quote from: brandx on May 19, 2014, 09:54:36 PM
He comes from a family of coaches; he played at MU; he is a student of the game; what more could you want for a 4th asst.?
You do realize that if no one hires coaches with no experience, eventually there will be no coaches.
Not to mention he managed to run the bronzed beast's offense without issue....not many point guards can say that.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 19, 2014, 05:13:19 PM
well then you probably should call wiki and help them out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Few
His wiki is accurate. What you wrote was not.
Mark Few spent 9 seasons as an assistant before he was promoted to HC.
If Diener wants to come back, hiring him for this job would be the single easiest decision Wojo will ever have to make as Marquette coach.
There is zero downside. Zero.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on May 19, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
Most of the logic on this thread is just absurd. Diener was a good college player so he must be a good coach. durrrrr. Using this logic if Novak retired, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career. Wait, but if Wade retires, MU should hire him because he had a longer and more successful NBA career.
Wait, success as a player has no actual correlation with coaching ability.
What you're overlooking is that he would be brought in to learn how to become a quality coach drawing on his playing experience and family connections. No one's suggesting handing him the keys to the castle right now.
Quote from: brandx on May 19, 2014, 08:18:09 PM
I heard Calipari had lots of experience when he was hired as an assistant for the 1st time ::)
Same with lots of other guys....whoops, make that every other guy. I think they all had experience before they started their 1st assistant coaching job.
But that isn't at all what I said. Why let that get in the way though.
Quote from: brandx on May 19, 2014, 08:18:09 PM
I heard Calipari had lots of experience when he was hired as an assistant for the 1st time ::)
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 20, 2014, 06:43:54 AM
But that isn't at all what I said. Why let that get in the way though.
That Calipari guy was a mediocre college player at a small time program! He'll never be able to recruit/coach a big time level!
Most of the backwards logic continues. Hire a coach that will benefit the program. Don't just assume because he played at the same school it will some how catapult his ability to relate and coach. That narrative is boring and dumb.
Quote from: brandx on May 19, 2014, 09:54:36 PM
He comes from a family of coaches; he played at MU; he is a student of the game; what more could you want for a 4th asst.?
You do realize that if no one hires coaches with no experience, eventually there will be no coaches.
A
family of coaches! He
must be a student of the game because his uncles coach high school basketball. Countless days dissecting tape, breaking down decades worth of players, teams, evolution of strategy. Books upon books upon books.
This is not an argument about his coaching experience (which is actually valid, but not the most important factor when hiring an assistant coach). This thread is full of long term speculation about Wojo and Diener climbing the MU coaching rank. Hiring old players simply based on their playing career is a bad idea. It almost never works and usually fails miserably. See NBA, NFL, NHL. Even playing at the real highest level doesn't translate to coaching or front office success. When will people understand that? Probably never.
Quote from: keefe on May 19, 2014, 08:06:35 PM
I'm astounded anyone would have the slightest hesitation bringing Travis Diener back to the Marquette program. The guy has a lot to offer. Certainly more than any of us chuckleheads. Get him on-board now in any capacity.
+1 Really guys? Not wanting 'The teenage assassin?'
Do you think he would run tackling dummy drills in practice?
Quote from: wadesworld on May 19, 2014, 08:04:32 PM
My only condition for Diener to be brought on board would be for him to bring tackling dummies back to the MU program. Teach these kids some toughness.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 20, 2014, 02:57:14 PM
Do you think he would run tackling dummy drills in practice?
Real original, Bleuteaux.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 20, 2014, 03:14:03 PM
Real original, Bleuteaux.
C'mon world, in the smorgasbord of buffoonery that is Tanned Tommy the tackling dummy fiasco was not the most ludicrous but certainly one of the most harmful. Anyone who substitutes gimmicks for substance believes ketchup is a vegetable.
Quote from: keefe on May 20, 2014, 03:21:30 PM
C'mon world, in the smorgasbord of buffoonery that is Tanned Tommy the tackling dummy fiasco was not the most ludicrous but certainly one of the most harmful. Anyone who substitutes gimmicks for substance believes ketchup is a vegetable.
Well, all lawyers know that a tomato is a vegetable because the Supreme Court told us so. And thus, ketchup is a vegetable derivative and counts as a vegetable. And we know that potato's are also vegetables. Man, why did I stop eating fries?
This is probably how Prince Fielder gained weight when he was a vegetarian for a year.
We want TD for a lot of reasons, but it would also just about assure that his cousin would come to MU in 4 years.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 20, 2014, 03:14:03 PM
Real original, Bleuteaux.
I guess that's what I get for not reading the rest of the thread before posting :-[
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on May 20, 2014, 05:18:37 PM
We want TD for a lot of reasons, but it would also just about assure that his cousin would come to MU in 4 years.
http://www.ny2lasports.com/player_details.aspx?playerid=3647
Quote from: Litehouse on May 20, 2014, 06:14:39 PM
http://www.ny2lasports.com/player_details.aspx?playerid=3647
How many friggin' Diener ballers are there? What a genetic pipeline.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 20, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
I guess that's what I get for not reading the rest of the thread before posting :-[
;)
Quote from: GOO on May 20, 2014, 03:28:47 PM
Well, all lawyers know that a tomato is a vegetable because the Supreme Court told us so. And thus, ketchup is a vegetable derivative and counts as a vegetable. And we know that potato's are also vegetables. Man, why did I stop eating fries?
This is probably how Prince Fielder gained weight when he was a vegetarian for a year.
I don't believe in what courts say, I believe in what scientists say.
And science says tomatos are actually fruit, therefore I know that ketchup is really a fruit smoothie.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 20, 2014, 07:12:45 PM
And science says tomatos are actually fruit
What about tomatoes?
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 20, 2014, 07:12:45 PM
I don't believe in what courts say, I believe in what scientists say.
And science says tomatos are actually fruit, therefore I know that ketchup is really a fruit smoothie.
The laws of nature versus the laws of men.
If tomatoes were really fruit, that tomato smoothie would actually sound good. ;D I think that was part of the supreme courts ruling, after going through the different fruit smoothie flavors, the tomato smoothie fell into the vegetable smoothie class.
Quote from: GOO on May 20, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
The laws of nature versus the laws of men.
If tomatoes were really fruit, that tomato smoothie would actually sound good. ;D I think that was part of the supreme courts ruling, after going through the different fruit smoothie flavors, the tomato smoothie fell into the vegetable smoothie class.
Isn't "tomato smoothie" just another way of describing a Bloody Mary?
Quote from: AZWarrior on May 20, 2014, 11:13:00 PM
Isn't "tomato smoothie" just another way of describing a Bloody Mary?
I like Bloodies but an ethnic Russian bud in the Ukrainian AF pointed out that additives only bruise perfectly good vodka. My comrade claimed that vodka should only be served ice cold and taken neat.
A few years before I drank with the Russian Air Attaches to Singapore one night and after a rich heavy Russian dinner the wives of Yuri and Oleg set out another feast but in small plates. Russians drink their vodka in half shots and immediately after downing one they tuck into the food.
I noticed that the fare was either pickled or salted - herring, cukes, salo, pig's feet, various greens, beef tongue. They don't eat a lot after each shot but they eat at least one healthy bite. I was there with my bud who was the USAF Air Attache and we consistently made the mistake of not eating after a shot - which would trigger a round of scolding from our former communist hosts. Finally, Oleg informed us that, "if not to eat then you must be very not good tomorrow!"
I ended up crashing at my buddy's place though I have no idea how we managed that feat. We were scheduled to golf that morning and we both silently acknowledged that was not a good idea. Instead, we trudged over to Newton Circus and choked down some grilled chili sting ray in the vain hope that the sambal would nuke the hangover molecules raging through our brains.
Quote from: keefe on May 21, 2014, 12:50:33 AM
I like Bloodies but an ethnic Russian bud in the Ukrainian AF pointed out that additives only bruise perfectly good vodka. My comrade claimed that vodka should only be served ice cold and taken neat.
A few years before I drank with the Russian Air Attaches to Singapore one night and after a rich heavy Russian dinner the wives of Yuri and Oleg set out another feast but in small plates. Russians drink their vodka in half shots and immediately after downing one they tuck into the food.
I noticed that the fare was either pickled or salted - herring, cukes, salo, pig's feet, various greens, beef tongue. They don't eat a lot after each shot but they eat at least one healthy bite. I was there with my bud who was the USAF Air Attache and we consistently made the mistake of not eating after a shot - which would trigger a round of scolding from our former communist hosts. Finally, Oleg informed us that, "if not to eat then you must be very not good tomorrow!"
I ended up crashing at my buddy's place though I have no idea how we managed that feat. We were scheduled to golf that morning and we both silently acknowledged that was not a good idea. Instead, we trudged over to Newton Circus and choked down some grilled chili sting ray in the vain hope that the sambal would nuke the hangover molecules raging through our brains.
I do really enjoy biting into a pickle after downing vodka.
I also love pickle martinis with Stoli, dry vermouth and pickle juice.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 22, 2014, 02:18:56 PM
I do really enjoy biting into a pickle after downing vodka.
I also love pickle martinis with Stoli, dry vermouth and pickle juice.
I actually prefer a shaken extra dry Hendricks Gibson up but my wife insisted gin gave her headaches so I shifted over to a Ketel version of the same in order to keep her drinking. I share my Russian friends' view that adding anything more than an olive, onion, twist, or cuke does nothing but bruise perfectly good vodka.
Quote from: keefe on May 22, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
I actually prefer a shaken extra dry Hendricks Gibson up but my wife insisted gin gave her headaches so I shifted over to a Ketel version of the same in order to keep her drinking. I share my Russian friends' view that adding anything more than an olive, onion, twist, or cuke does nothing but bruise perfectly good vodka.
Hendricks is excellent as far as gin goes.
I'll always favor dark liquor but you can't do much better than Hendricks for a clear liquor
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 22, 2014, 03:47:57 PM
Hendricks is excellent as far as gin goes.
I'll always favor dark liquor but you can't do much better than Hendricks for a clear liquor
I always found that when drinking late afternoon or early evening and certainly with a woman that clear spirits are best. But after dinner, nothing beats single malt and a cohiba.
Quote from: keefe on May 22, 2014, 04:09:20 PM
I always found that when drinking late afternoon or early evening and certainly with a woman that clear spirits are best. But after dinner, nothing beats single malt and a cohiba.
I consider myself lucky in that I have found a woman who prefers dark tequila and whiskey over vodka and gin, although she does enjoy the occasional martini or gin & tonic
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 22, 2014, 05:02:02 PM
I consider myself lucky in that I have found a woman who prefers dark tequila and whiskey over vodka and gin, although she does enjoy the occasional martini or gin & tonic
Does she have a sister?
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 22, 2014, 05:02:02 PM
I consider myself lucky in that I have found a woman who prefers dark tequila and whiskey over vodka and gin, although she does enjoy the occasional martini or gin & tonic
Nothing wrong with a good vodka or gin drink but it seems that people equate vodka with frilly drinks these days and that's just a shame. Gin and soda with a lime is perfect on a summer day.
Of course, a woman that can appreciate whisky is a blessing too.
Keefe, you are old enough to be more interested in her mother.
Quote from: EnderWiggen on May 22, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
Nothing wrong with a good vodka or gin drink but it seems that people equate vodka with frilly drinks these days and that's just a shame. Gin and soda with a lime is perfect on a summer day.
Of course, a woman that can appreciate whisky is a blessing too.
Nothing panty waisted about an extra dry martini or four. I have never gone for the flavored nonsense that is supposed to pass for a martini these days. There is nothing better than the velvet smoothness of chilled Ketel sliding down the pipes with the merest hint of viscosity. The vermouth bottle should get no more than 3 feet within range of the shaker.
Quote from: keefe on May 22, 2014, 06:15:06 PM
The vermouth bottle should get no more than 3 feet within range of the shaker.
Good man.
Quote from: keefe on May 22, 2014, 06:15:06 PM
The vermouth bottle should get no more than 3 feet within range of the shaker.
Or as Hawkeye once told Trapper: "A moment of silence for the vermouth."
Just put the vermouth in the humidifier.
And remember, it's always after 5:00 PM, somewhere.
"One martini is all right. Two are too many, and three are not enough." -- James Thurber
Quoting Thurber made me think of his works for The New Yorker. He was the original Far Side.
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Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 19, 2014, 12:25:24 PM
And PTM his season ended over there at the end of April.
PTM, my apologies on this one. His season is still very much going on. His team is in the league semifinals.
Quote from: EnderWiggen on May 22, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
Nothing wrong with a good gin drink. Gin and soda with a lime is perfect on a summer day.
Q:Why did Hitler give up gin?
A:It made him mean.
http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Italy/2014/0530_4_294.asp
Quote from: EnderWiggen on May 22, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
Nothing wrong with a good vodka or gin drink but it seems that people equate vodka with frilly drinks these days and that's just a shame. Gin and soda with a lime is perfect on a summer day.
Of course, a woman that can appreciate whisky is a blessing too.
The issue is that that the stuff that's called Vodka in the states is more like Kerosene. After 2 years in Russia, where Beluga is one of the WORST (but still very drinkable) vodkas, it's easy to understand why Vodka in Russia is taken alone. Yes, you must have a fatty, salty and pickled snack assortment available for a small bite after each shot. That plus Mors (kinda like cranberry juice) means one can survive past the 12-15 shot level, and the vodka is smooth, with no aftertaste and minimal burn. I've even had big nights with the cheap Russian stuff (Baikal or Husky - about $8-10/liter) and came through pain free after following the Russian methodology.
Quote from: WarriorFan on June 01, 2014, 04:48:29 AM
The issue is that that the stuff that's called Vodka in the states is more like Kerosene. After 2 years in Russia, where Beluga is one of the WORST (but still very drinkable) vodkas, it's easy to understand why Vodka in Russia is taken alone. Yes, you must have a fatty, salty and pickled snack assortment available for a small bite after each shot. That plus Mors (kinda like cranberry juice) means one can survive past the 12-15 shot level, and the vodka is smooth, with no aftertaste and minimal burn. I've even had big nights with the cheap Russian stuff (Baikal or Husky - about $8-10/liter) and came through pain free after following the Russian methodology.
I've eaten enough salo while drinking with Russians and Ukrainians to clog the arteries of three men.
I saw that Diener officially retired last night. Hopefully we hear that he's joining the staff in the next few days.
Quote from: swoopem on June 10, 2014, 10:29:27 AM
I saw that Diener officially retired last night. Hopefully we hear that he's joining the staff in the next few days.
Why the hell do we want him? He has zero coaching experience
We want him back in town because he is the only missing autograph on my MU t-shirt from the 2003 final team.
Quote from: swoopem on June 10, 2014, 10:29:27 AM
I saw that Diener officially retired last night. Hopefully we hear that he's joining the staff in the next few days.
Highly likely this will be the case by the end of the week.
Quote from: keefe on June 10, 2014, 12:13:22 PM
Why the hell do we want him? He has zero coaching experience
I get that you're probably being sarcastic, but he'd be more than fine for the practically entry level SADS position rumored. Probably the best case scenario we could hope for that role actually. Would love to see Diener back in the program.
Man, will the coaches have a good pick-up game, might be more fun to watch then the team!
I heard from a friend that Wojo actually hired Diener 3 weeks ago. It just hasn't been publically announced....
Quote from: mubb34 on June 10, 2014, 02:41:04 PM
I heard from a friend that Wojo actually hired Diener 3 weeks ago. It just hasn't been publically announced....
Hasn't been announced so he can recruit without following the rules.
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 10, 2014, 02:14:10 PM
Man, will the coaches have a good pick-up game, might be more fun to watch then the team!
Our top 3 PGs are coaches.
Quote from: The Lens on June 10, 2014, 03:21:20 PM
Our top 3 PGs are coaches.
So none of them can shoot jump shots or freebies?
Quote from: mubb34 on June 10, 2014, 02:41:04 PM
I heard from a friend that Wojo actually hired Diener 3 weeks ago. It just hasn't been publically announced....
#Done deal Source?
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 10, 2014, 02:14:10 PM
Man, will the coaches have a good pick-up game, might be more fun to watch then the team!
Was thinking the same thing! A final four participant from Florida, a national chorion ship winner from Duke, a final Four participant from MU. (Don't know about the other guys) that's pretty awesome! Though the game wouldn't have much more height than playing in the rec plex
Quote from: mubb34 on June 10, 2014, 02:41:04 PM
I heard from a friend that Wojo actually hired Diener 3 weeks ago. It just hasn't been publically announced....
Done deal, aina?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 10, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Was thinking the same thing! A final four participant from Florida, a national chorion ship winner from Duke, a final Four participant from MU. (Don't know about the other guys) that's pretty awesome! Though the game wouldn't have much more height than playing in the rec plex
Or than, well, Marquette's team next year.
Also just heard from someone close to him that he has been hired, they didn't specify a position but said "he had been hired to fill a position with the Marquette basketbal teaml"
Quote from: wadesworld on June 10, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
Or then, well, Marquette's team next year.
Haha great they can play three teams and only one will have a real center!
Quote from: newsdrms on June 10, 2014, 03:33:22 PM
#Done deal Source?
The source is a friend whose dad coaches a High School team. Wojo has been talking to him because he is recruiting one of his players apparently.
Quote from: mubb34 on June 10, 2014, 08:57:19 PM
The source is a friend whose dad coaches a High School team. Wojo has been talking to him because he is recruiting one of his players apparently.
Care to share the name of the kid were recruiting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxvi_kQiOKQ&feature=youtu.be
Marquette just announced that Travis has accepted the position.
Excellent. Maybe he can bring a 6'10 "Euro" 4 or 5 with him.
My only concern is that our coaching staff might be able to beat our starting 5 in a pick-up game.
Today is a great, great day
Good for Travis. Good for Wojo. Good for MU.
Good for Judges Tavern.
Welcome back Travis!!!
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 10, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Was thinking the same thing! A final four participant from Florida, a national chorion ship winner from Duke, a final Four participant from MU. (Don't know about the other guys) that's pretty awesome! Though the game wouldn't have much more height than playing in the rec plex
"a national chorion ship winner"
auto correct of the year candidate.
Travis' recruitment was the first I followed on the internet. His commitment was one of my happiest days as a MU fan.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 11, 2014, 11:18:49 AM
RIP Judges
The new Judges is going to be sweet. I'm not sure if it's open or not, but it's going to be called Irish Genie and is owned by the same dudes who own Bad Genie. They're a couple guys from the class of '06 who have done well in the bar scene so I'm excited to check out the new spot once I get the chance.
Very excited to have Travis back on campus. I see absolutely zero negative impact that this could have.
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 10, 2014, 02:14:10 PM
Man, will the coaches have a good pick-up game, might be more fun to watch then the team!
If there was a tournament for coaching staffs, we'd probably be a 1 seed. Anyone know of any other schools who could give us a game? I'm sure there are squads with coaches who played at a high level (a la Danny Manning) but a whole staff who are youngish and can ball? My money's on MU.
Quote from: WarriorFan on June 11, 2014, 10:42:52 AM
Excellent. Maybe he can bring a 6'10 "Euro" 4 or 5 with him.
Part of his job description is: "Recruiting pipeline to Italy". So I'm good with that. :)
Good for my T-shirt.
Excellent news. Welcome home Travis!
Quote from: WarriorCode on June 11, 2014, 11:38:40 AM
If there was a tournament for coaching staffs, we'd probably be a 1 seed. Anyone know of any other schools who could give us a game? I'm sure there are squads with coaches who played at a high level (a la Danny Manning) but a whole staff who are youngish and can ball? My money's on MU.
Wojo and Nelson are both burger boys.
Quote from: AZWarrior on June 11, 2014, 11:45:46 AM
Part of his job description is: "Recruiting pipeline to Italy". So I'm good with that. :)
Any new Kobe Bryant's coming over?
What are the responsibilities of Diener's position: Director of Player Personnel?
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 11, 2014, 11:31:57 AM
Travis' recruitment was the first I followed on the internet. His commitment was one of my happiest days as a MU fan.
Today is one of your happiest days as a MU fan?
Quote from: MUCrew on June 11, 2014, 10:35:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxvi_kQiOKQ&feature=youtu.be
Nothing better than hearing "Wojo" pronounced with a Wisconsin accent. You can take the boy out of Fond du Lac....
Quote from: MauraDay on June 11, 2014, 02:01:28 PM
What are the responsibilities of Diener's position: Director of Player Personnel?
top Google return says:
The Director of Player Personnel is a frequently overlooked, but vitally important management position on both professional and college sports teams. Sports management has evolved so that the position has a dual role, as he is typically involved in both player recruitment and in player support. However, player recruitment is a DPP's primary role, especially at the college level.
Player Evaluation
Player evaluation, sometimes called scouting, is a central part of a director of player personnel's job. He must pull together all the information on a player, including input from team scouts and coaches, recruiting services and other sources, to present to the general manager and head coach. Some DPPs have full decision-making authority regarding recruitment, drafting or hiring of players; others operate in a more advisory capacity.
Recruitment
Although most people only think of recruitment as related to college sports, professional sports teams also "recruit" players in the sense of trying to convince a star player to play for a new team when his current contract expires. In either case, the DPP is closely involved in the recruitment strategy. In pro sports, negotiations are mainly about salary, but the chances of a team to win a championship typically also factor into decision-making. Recruitment is a core responsibility for college DPPs, and they are responsible for everything from carefully complying with all NCAA rules on recruitment to arranging recruitment visits for coaches or campus visits for potential recruits.
Player Support
Many DPPs also have duties relating to player support. On the college level, DPPs typically serve as liaison between departments, helping students deal with compliance, student services, strength and conditioning, travel plans, facilities, housing, parking and legal matters. Professional sports DPPs assist in coordinating team travel, and player and team non-game public appearances, handling media coverage, as well as managing new player orientation.
Working with Coaches, Managing Staff
Coaches and DPPs have to work together to identify areas of need and recruits to fill the needs. Many DPPs have had coaching experience on some level. Some DPPs are employees working under the head coach, others report to the athletic director of the school or the general manager of the team. DPPs also have to manage a staff of scouts, database experts and compliance specialists, and administrative responsibilities can eat up a good bit of their time.
Thanks!
Quote from: swoopem on June 11, 2014, 11:37:31 AM
The new Judges is going to be sweet. I'm not sure if it's open or not, but it's going to be called Irish Genie and is owned by the same dudes who own Bad Genie. They're a couple guys from the class of '06 who have done well in the bar scene so I'm excited to check out the new spot once I get the chance.
Very excited to have Travis back on campus. I see absolutely zero negative impact that this could have.
I walked past three weeks ago. Wasn't open yet and still looked pretty rough. A lot can happen in three weeks, though.
Oh, and...Welcome back Diener!
Welcome back, Travis.
I hope this isn't Wojo grooming him as a possible hometown replacement if and when he departs for Duke.
Got to go back and look at the full thread responses BUT would venture a guess that we have the most PG's on staff of any D1 program.....now when Swaggy Du turns into a beast we can start PG-U tradition on the court too
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Diener family have a bit of a coaching background? Maybe Travis picked up a few things? Just sayin'.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 11, 2014, 11:17:26 AM
Good for Judges Tavern.
That's a blast from the past! My wife's high school crew hovered around that place. I spent a few Patty's there.
Quote from: Ruby on June 11, 2014, 06:30:25 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Diener family have a bit of a coaching background? Maybe Travis picked up a few things? Just sayin'.
+1
The only two I know for sure are Tom in high school and Drew at Stritch, and both of them have done extremely well. I've got to think that Drew will be moving up the coaching ladder someday very soon. He was a Virginia assistant formerly. He's got to be getting D-1 schools attention with his success a Stritch's head guy.
Quote from: Chucklehead on June 11, 2014, 02:54:23 PM
top Google return says:
The Director of Player Personnel is a frequently overlooked, but vitally important management position on both professional and college sports teams. Sports management has evolved so that the position has a dual role, as he is typically involved in both player recruitment and in player support. However, player recruitment is a DPP's primary role, especially at the college level.
Player Evaluation
Player evaluation, sometimes called scouting, is a central part of a director of player personnel's job. He must pull together all the information on a player, including input from team scouts and coaches, recruiting services and other sources, to present to the general manager and head coach. Some DPPs have full decision-making authority regarding recruitment, drafting or hiring of players; others operate in a more advisory capacity.
Recruitment
Although most people only think of recruitment as related to college sports, professional sports teams also "recruit" players in the sense of trying to convince a star player to play for a new team when his current contract expires. In either case, the DPP is closely involved in the recruitment strategy. In pro sports, negotiations are mainly about salary, but the chances of a team to win a championship typically also factor into decision-making. Recruitment is a core responsibility for college DPPs, and they are responsible for everything from carefully complying with all NCAA rules on recruitment to arranging recruitment visits for coaches or campus visits for potential recruits.
Player Support
Many DPPs also have duties relating to player support. On the college level, DPPs typically serve as liaison between departments, helping students deal with compliance, student services, strength and conditioning, travel plans, facilities, housing, parking and legal matters. Professional sports DPPs assist in coordinating team travel, and player and team non-game public appearances, handling media coverage, as well as managing new player orientation.
Working with Coaches, Managing Staff
Coaches and DPPs have to work together to identify areas of need and recruits to fill the needs. Many DPPs have had coaching experience on some level. Some DPPs are employees working under the head coach, others report to the athletic director of the school or the general manager of the team. DPPs also have to manage a staff of scouts, database experts and compliance specialists, and administrative responsibilities can eat up a good bit of their time.
So what the hell is the difference then between Director of Player Personnel and Director of Basketball Ops (Gainey's job)?!?!? Isn't it all just semantics?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 11, 2014, 09:31:17 PM
So what the hell is the difference then between Director of Player Personnel and Director of Basketball Ops (Gainey's job)?!?!? Isn't it all just semantics?
I am sure it is. I rather doubt Diener's going to be handing out towels and picking up jocks after practice
We have a good coach to player ratio right now. This will be helpful to to the guys on the team.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 11, 2014, 09:31:17 PM
So what the hell is the difference then between Director of Player Personnel and Director of Basketball Ops (Gainey's job)?!?!? Isn't it all just semantics?
No clue myself, good question. Who previously held these two roles? Was one of them Jamie McNielly?
Jeff Reynolds was the Director of Basketball Operations
Jamie McNeilley was essentially the Director of Player Personnel with a different title. (Student Athlete Development Specialist.)
The Director of Basketball Operations basically does what the title says. They oversee things from budget, to setting up official visits, uniforms, travel, etc. (Note that they likely have administrative staff that help with most of those things.) They cannot coach during practices and cannot recruit off campus. But they can work with the players in the film room, etc.
A Director of Player Personnel generally helps with interfacing between the player and the classroom. They have similar restriction as the Director of Basketball Operations.
But both positions are on the bench during games. These are entry level positions, and the lines can get blurred as to their specific responsibilities in each program.
is travis the best player on the team??? i would think so.
I remember when Wardle was DBO, looking into the windows of classrooms looking for Daemon Mason.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 11, 2014, 09:29:41 PM
+1
The only two I know for sure are Tom in high school and Drew at Stritch, and both of them have done extremely well. I've got to think that Drew will be moving up the coaching ladder someday very soon. He was a Virginia assistant formerly. He's got to be getting D-1 schools attention with his success a Stritch's head guy.
His other uncle Dick was the longtime HS coach at Fond du Lac. I believe Dick has been helping as an assistant with Drew at Stritch lately. Travis has been around intense coaching his entire life.
Quote from: Litehouse on June 12, 2014, 08:24:29 AM
His other uncle Dick was the longtime HS coach at Fond du Lac. I believe Dick has been helping as an assistant with Drew at Stritch lately. Travis has been around intense coaching his entire life.
yikes!! kind of sounds like the Harbaugh family
Quote from: Chucklehead on June 12, 2014, 08:39:14 AM
yikes!! kind of sounds like the Harbaugh family
Yeah, cause that would be terrible from a coaching perspective ::)
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 11, 2014, 09:29:41 PM
+1
The only two I know for sure are Tom in high school and Drew at Stritch, and both of them have done extremely well. I've got to think that Drew will be moving up the coaching ladder someday very soon. He was a Virginia assistant formerly. He's got to be getting D-1 schools attention with his success a Stritch's head guy.
Maybe. D1 schools rarely want to even look at even D2 schools for head coaches...look at how controversial the Kim Anderson hire was a Mizzou even though he won a D2 national championship. Now look at D3 schools like UWSP and UWW. Neither one of their coaches was (in the case of Jack Bennett) or is (in the case of Pat Miller) under serious consideration for D1 jobs. Stritch is a level below these schools.
The Bo Ryan hires are unique. Exceptional.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 12, 2014, 07:41:37 AM
is travis the best player on the team??? i would think so.
Ha, didn't even think about that, he's gotta be.
Duane must be loving it here. He has 4 former high level PG's to learn under for the next four years. Couldn't really ask for a better situation.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 12, 2014, 09:28:57 AM
Maybe. D1 schools rarely want to even look at even D2 schools for head coaches...look at how controversial the Kim Anderson hire was a Mizzou even though he won a D2 national championship. Now look at D3 schools like UWSP and UWW. Neither one of their coaches was (in the case of Jack Bennett) or is (in the case of Pat Miller) under serious consideration for D1 jobs. Stritch is a level below these schools.
The Bo Ryan hires are unique. Exceptional.
Actually, I meant specifically getting D1 schools attention to bring him aboard their coaching staff as an assistant first. Maybe a low D1 school looks at hiring him directly to HC, but even that is unlikely to happen directly from an NAIA school.
I just see him being able to use his Stritch success to gradually advance up the coaching ladder to at least a mid major HC job eventually.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 12, 2014, 09:53:33 AM
Actually, I meant specifically getting D1 schools attention to bring him aboard their coaching staff as an assistant first. Maybe a low D1 school looks at hiring him directly to HC, but even that is unlikely to happen directly from an NAIA school.
I just see him being able to use his Stritch success to gradually advance up the coaching ladder to at least a mid major HC job eventually.
Oh sure. If that's what he wants to do. Some of those guys just don't want to do the assistant thing. Bo didn't. If UWM hadn't of hired him, he probably would still be at Platteville.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on June 12, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
Ha, didn't even think about that, he's gotta be.
Duane must be loving it here. He has 4 former high level PG's to learn under for the next four years. Couldn't really ask for a better situation.
Derrick on the other hand...
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 12, 2014, 10:01:41 AM
Derrick on the other hand...
derrick has to be loving it as well...he's never shown an ounce of anything but determination, hard work ethic, class and team play. i wasn't thrilled with his game last year, but to suggest anything other than he is a first class kid is ridiculous. if he doesn't like his role at mu with the coaching change, he has every right to leave, and if he does...he'll do it with class.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 12, 2014, 10:24:21 AM
derrick has to be loving it as well...he's never shown an ounce of anything but determination, hard work ethic, class and team play. i wasn't thrilled with his game last year, but to suggest anything other than he is a first class kid is ridiculous. if he doesn't like his role at mu with the coaching change, he has every right to leave, and if he does...he'll do it with class.
+1
Quote from: avid1010 on June 12, 2014, 10:24:21 AM
derrick has to be loving it as well...he's never shown an ounce of anything but determination, hard work ethic, class and team play. i wasn't thrilled with his game last year, but to suggest anything other than he is a first class kid is ridiculous. if he doesn't like his role at mu with the coaching change, he has every right to leave, and if he does...he'll do it with class.
Yep. He's a senior this year. He chose not to.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 12, 2014, 09:55:21 AM
Oh sure. If that's what he wants to do. Some of those guys just don't want to do the assistant thing. Bo didn't. If UWM hadn't of hired him, he probably would still be at Platteville.
Actually you guys are a little off on this one. Drew Diener has already been a high D1 assistant in the ACC and has turned down numerous other D1 assistant jobs. In fact, the assumption among the basketball community is that when Rob Jeter is let go at UW-M Drew will be the favorite for the job. Rob bought himself another year with the conference tourney win but the academic issues will only tighten the leash. Drew Diener is one of the top young coaches in the country having won a national Title in his 4th year and being ranked #1 all year this year. If their big man hadn't been hurt they would have been favored to win another one. The fact that 2 of the 3 or 4 best coaches in state D1 history came from the small college ranks makes Diener even more of a hot commodity at either UW-M or UW-GB.
Quote from: Black Swan on June 12, 2014, 11:41:07 AM
Actually you guys are a little off on this one. Drew Diener has already been a high D1 assistant in the ACC and has turned down numerous other D1 assistant jobs. In fact, the assumption among the basketball community is that when Rob Jeter is let go at UW-M Drew will be the favorite for the job. Rob bought himself another year with the conference tourney win but the academic issues will only tighten the leash. Drew Diener is one of the top young coaches in the country having won a national Title in his 4th year and being ranked #1 all year this year. If their big man hadn't been hurt they would have been favored to win another one. The fact that 2 of the 3 or 4 best coaches in state D1 history came from the small college ranks makes Diener even more of a hot commodity at either UW-M or UW-GB.
I am not sure what "basketball community" you are talking about, but I have not heard that at all. I mean it *may* happen, but I think its a little much to call it an "assumption."
Quote from: Chucklehead on June 12, 2014, 08:39:14 AM
yikes!! kind of sounds like the Harbaugh family
The Dieners aren't freaks like the Harbaughs (plus one tool bag son-in-law)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 12, 2014, 01:30:35 PM
I am not sure what "basketball community" you are talking about, but I have not heard that at all. I mean it *may* happen, but I think its a little much to call it an "assumption."
I guess we will see. As far as the" basketball community", are you a HS coach or college coach from the area? That is what I was talking about. The buzz at the 2013 State Tourney was that it was a matter of when and not if. I guess we will see. No harm, no foul.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 12, 2014, 10:24:21 AM
derrick has to be loving it as well...he's never shown an ounce of anything but determination, hard work ethic, class and team play. i wasn't thrilled with his game last year, but to suggest anything other than he is a first class kid is ridiculous. if he doesn't like his role at mu with the coaching change, he has every right to leave, and if he does...he'll do it with class.
Dude I was being sarcastic I think Derrick is a great guy from a great family who should probably look into boxing or mma after seeing his form on the bootcamp video last year. It was a little humor about the first rate point guard coaches.
Quote from: Black Swan on June 12, 2014, 02:05:02 PM
I guess we will see. As far as the" basketball community", are you a HS coach or college coach from the area? That is what I was talking about. The buzz at the 2013 State Tourney was that it was a matter of when and not if. I guess we will see. No harm, no foul.
Hey if you are correct, I'll be the first to give you props.
Quote from: Black Swan on June 12, 2014, 11:41:07 AM
Actually you guys are a little off on this one. Drew Diener has already been a high D1 assistant in the ACC and has turned down numerous other D1 assistant jobs. In fact, the assumption among the basketball community is that when Rob Jeter is let go at UW-M Drew will be the favorite for the job. Rob bought himself another year with the conference tourney win but the academic issues will only tighten the leash. Drew Diener is one of the top young coaches in the country having won a national Title in his 4th year and being ranked #1 all year this year. If their big man hadn't been hurt they would have been favored to win another one. The fact that 2 of the 3 or 4 best coaches in state D1 history came from the small college ranks makes Diener even more of a hot commodity at either UW-M or UW-GB.
Black Swan reincarnated. Ahoya BallScout next?
All I can say about the Diener's is that the Diener basketball camp in Fondy was pretty awesome...I attended every year I could.
Quote from: mubb34 on June 12, 2014, 10:23:01 PM
All I can say about the Diener's is that the Diener basketball camp in Fondy was pretty awesome...I attended every year I could.
+1
Haha, I forgot about that, that was great camp