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As of this writing (early April 11) ...

Overview of MU

Wojo has been the Head Coach for 11 days.

No existing player has transferred (yet?).
No signed recruit has ask out of their NLI (yet?).  

If Brett stayed would this have been the case as of April 11?  I would argue no.  At least two players would have transferred.


Overview of VT

Brent has been the Head Coach for 21 days.

Bert has lost arguably his best player ... 6'11" Freshmen Trevor Thompson announced he is going to transfer
Brent has lost two signed VT recruits as they have asked for their release.

What It Means ...

Brent lost three players and, again as of this writing, no existing MU player or MU signed recruit seems interested in following Brent to VT.  Even Malek Harris, does not seem to be thrilled to go to VT as Malek has had 21 days to announce he going to follow Brent to VT.  He still may go to VT but at this point it is becoming apparent VT is Malek's "Safety School."

Fans of VT have to be concerned, when Thompson signed with a VT, they were a last place team.  They finished in last place this year.  VT hired a "Big Name" coach for a ton of money and their best player bails out.  Recruits that signed with a last place team are also bailing on a perceived "major upgrade" in coaching.  Finally, the great recruiter cannot lure ANYONE from his last stop (MU) to VT, not an existing player and not a recruit.

Meanwhile Wojo with a career 0 - 0 record seems to (again seems to) be keeping everyone at MU, has gotten Chief Cohen to recommit, gotten Noskowiak  to put MU at the top of his list again and has Ahmed Hill unsure about what to do (he has not flatly rejected Wojo after 11 days).

It seems as if everyone is responding to Wojo as the big name big reputation coach and Brent as the unknown assistant that is a big risk.

Am I too early in these observations or is their something here?

Let's hope we never compare our program to the likes of VaTech.

Every once in a while I check the MUHoops "Future Players" Twitter list, and noticed a few days ago that Malek's avatar had changed to the VT logo. When I read this post, I headed back to grab a screenshot for you, but it's changed to just a picture of him.

I'm not going to read into the mind of a teenager—maybe he changes his avatar every two days 'cause that's the cool thing to do—just thought it was interesting.

Quote from: Utile et Dulce on April 11, 2014, 07:06:09 AM
Every once in a while I check the MUHoops "Future Players" Twitter list, and noticed a few days ago that Malek's avatar had changed to the VT logo. When I read this post, I headed back to grab a screenshot for you, but it's changed to just a picture of him.

I'm not going to read into the mind of a teenager—maybe he changes his avatar every two days 'cause that's the cool thing to do—just thought it was interesting.

Why hasn't Malek announced he's going to VT?  You know Brent and VT would love, absolutely love, to brag to the world we signed Brent and immediately a top 100 kid is coming.

Like I said, VT is his safety school.

Its too early to make any determination right now. By the end of next month, MU may lose 2 existing players and 2 or 3 recruits. Brett may sway some recruits his way including Harris and Hill. On the other hand maybe the reverse happens as suggested. Just too early to tell right now.

If I were to guess, I would say Brett's act wears thin in a hurry and he starts getting a reputation as a nut case. He is no longer Marquette's problem, so I really don't care what he does.

Quote from: Heisenberg on April 11, 2014, 07:13:01 AM
Why hasn't Malek announced he's going to VT?  You know Brent and VT would love, absolutely love, to brag to the world we signed Brent and immediately a top 100 kid is coming.

Like I said, VT is his safety school.

you act as if you know this is true.

Williams has always been able to recruit and I doubt that will stop.  He has limited scholarship and is being careful.  I suspect priority one is the JUCO, from Oklahoma, Willie Atwood.  Buzz and VPI are in for some challenges.

So far I'm delighted with the energy, exposure and name recognition Coach Wojo has brought to the job.  It should be interesting to see how the NLI situation plays out.  It's probably the toughest assignment any new coach faces and it comes relatively late in the recruiting process.

Marquette fans should thank Buzz for a couple of things -- five exciting years of basketball and for giving us all something to talk about in this off season.  Things would be pretty boring otherwise.

I wouldn't look into VT losing players, it happens all the time with coaching changes. Buzz may have straight up told the recruits that he had zero need of them and to look elsewhere.

What I wonder is how many days until Brett regrets his decision...if he hasn't already.

Quote from: SERocks on April 11, 2014, 08:03:14 AM
What I wonder is how many days until Brett regrets his decision...if he hasn't already.

My guess ...

Leaving MU, no
Going to VT, maybe

Quote from: Heisenberg on April 11, 2014, 08:06:35 AM
My guess ...

Leaving MU, no
Going to VT, maybe

Agreed.  And it would probably only take 1 commercial flight to really miss how things used to be.

Quote from: TheBurrEffect on April 11, 2014, 08:01:17 AM
I wouldn't look into VT losing players, it happens all the time with coaching changes. Buzz may have straight up told the recruits that he had zero need of them and to look elsewhere.

Isn't that the point of the thread...Wojo is the new coach and he has not lost any current players thus far.  On flip side, Buzz has lost existing players.  

Anyway, too early to evaluate IMO.  Let's check back on this in a month and we will be able to tell.

Why are we worried about this, again? And why on earth would attrition after a coaching change be held against the incoming coach?

It's past time to move on. Unless Buzz snags one of MU's recruits, there's really no reason to discuss him or VT on here.

Quote from: MURFC on April 11, 2014, 08:10:33 AM
Isn't that the point of the thread...Wojo is the new coach and he has not lost any current players thus far.  On flip side, Buzz has lost existing players.  

Anyway, too early to evaluate IMO.  Let's check back on this in a month and we will be able to tell.

wojo doesn't want to lose any players...buzz probably does.  i'm thinking buzz can upgrade on what it current at VT, especially if he has free reigns on juco's and other "questionable" recruits.

I swear. You are the guys that get into dick-measuring contests with your ex's new boyfriends.

Mu generally does not annouce transfers until their grades are in. Having said that, I am not expecting any transfers.

Quote from: bilsu on April 11, 2014, 08:21:49 AM
Mu generally does not annouce transfers until their grades are in. Having said that, I am not expecting any transfers.

MU does announce until grades are in, but the player transferring will announce his intentions long before that.

So far none have.

Quote from: Heisenberg on April 11, 2014, 06:44:26 AM
As of this writing (early April 11) ...

Overview of MU

Wojo has been the Head Coach for 11 days.

No existing player has transferred (yet?).
No signed recruit has ask out of their NLI (yet?).  

If Brett stayed would this have been the case as of April 11?  I would argue no.  At least two players would have transferred.


Overview of VT

Brent has been the Head Coach for 21 days.

Bert has lost arguably his best player ... 6'11" Freshmen Trevor Thompson announced he is going to transfer
Brent has lost two signed VT recruits as they have asked for their release.

What It Means ...

Brent lost three players and, again as of this writing, no existing MU player or MU signed recruit seems interested in following Brent to VT.  Even Malek Harris, does not seem to be thrilled to go to VT as Malek has had 21 days to announce he going to follow Brent to VT.  He still may go to VT but at this point it is becoming apparent VT is Malek's "Safety School."

Fans of VT have to be concerned, when Thompson signed with a VT, they were a last place team.  They finished in last place this year.  VT hired a "Big Name" coach for a ton of money and their best player bails out.  Recruits that signed with a last place team are also bailing on a perceived "major upgrade" in coaching.  Finally, the great recruiter cannot lure ANYONE from his last stop (MU) to VT, not an existing player and not a recruit.

Meanwhile Wojo with a career 0 - 0 record seems to (again seems to) be keeping everyone at MU, has gotten Chief Cohen to recommit, gotten Noskowiak  to put MU at the top of his list again and has Ahmed Hill unsure about what to do (he has not flatly rejected Wojo after 11 days).

It seems as if everyone is responding to Wojo as the big name big reputation coach and Brent as the unknown assistant that is a big risk.

Am I too early in these observations or is their something here?

1) Thompson wasn't their best player. He in fact barely played last year. The reason the kid asked out and BUzz allowed him out was that Buzz saw him play at St. John's Military academy and wasn't impressed. They have never liked eachother.
2) The only 2 players that committed that were any good, top 100-110 guys, are both still committed to VTECH and are pumped to play for him. So he actually was able to cut crappy committed players and go after Juco studs and 2 top 100 uncommitted players that now have v-tech in their top 3
3) Buzz has offered 2 of the top 5 Juco Big Men in the country and will most likely get them like he got DJO and Crowder.
4) Unlike WOJO, Buzz is taking over a loser program so it is very hard to compare what WOJO has kept and what Buzz has lost but based on where the two programs were a few weeks back they are both looking UP.
5) I think WOJO will rock our world. I am sold on the guy. He clearly knows what to say to recruits to get them jacked and he is saying something to the kids we have here. Buzz landed a top 10 class last year and a top 15 class this year for MU if WOJO can add a 5 star a year on top of the 4 stars BUZZ was landing we will be in great shape for a long long time.
So to answer your question.... No Buzz hasn't lost his reputation after 21 days. It is the same as it was here. Wojo however is making a great name for himself!!

Quote from: MU Beaver on April 11, 2014, 08:54:23 AM
1) Thompson wasn't their best player. He in fact barely played last year. The reason the kid asked out and BUzz allowed him out was that Buzz saw him play at St. John's Military academy and wasn't impressed. They have never liked eachother.

Huh?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66295/trevor-thompson

Remember he was a freshman.  Look at his last six games of the season, which includes Duke and UNC

Average
28 minutes
8 points
6 rebounds

How is this barely played?

Quote from: Heisenberg on April 11, 2014, 09:02:01 AM
Huh?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66295/trevor-thompson

Remember he was a freshman.  Look at his last six games of the season, which includes Duke and UNC

Average
28 minutes
8 points
6 rebounds

He averaged 16 minutes and 5 points a game. Buzz hates him and he hates buzz. Read the VTECH blogs this was not a shock.
How is this barely played?

Quote from: Heisenberg on April 11, 2014, 09:02:01 AM
Huh?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66295/trevor-thompson

Remember he was a freshman.  Look at his last six games of the season, which includes Duke and UNC

Average
28 minutes
8 points
6 rebounds






How is this barely played?

Buzz offered JUCO the day he released Thompson:
JUCO power forward Willie Atwood, who was offered by Williams March 22, the day which Thompson was given his release. Atwood, who is listed as a small forward on other sites, is rated as a 4-star player by 247 and ranked as the No. 6 overall JUCO player in the nation and the No. 3 JUCO power forward nationally.

Quote from: Heisenberg on April 11, 2014, 09:02:01 AM
Huh?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66295/trevor-thompson

Remember he was a freshman.  Look at his last six games of the season, which includes Duke and UNC

Average
28 minutes
8 points
6 rebounds

How is this barely played?

I notice that you are wisely debating a extraneous weak point made by The Beaver.  His overall point that Thompson was not VT's best player is still true however.  He wasn't even VT's best freshman, Ben Emelogu was.  That said, Thompson was either VT's third or maybe second best player according to the VT article on his transfer. The Beaver's other point that Thompson was Buzz cut also is counter to your argument and true according to the VT article on his transfer.

SUPERBAR

I'm not in the "It takes 5 (or more) years to judge a coach" club but it probably should take more than three weeks. Everything I read indicated Buzz was very much OK with Thompson leaving. Time will tell if he was right.

Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 11, 2014, 08:21:07 AM
I swear. You are the guys that get into dick-measuring contests with your ex's new boyfriends.

+1

Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 11, 2014, 08:08:55 AM
Agreed.  And it would probably only take 1 commercial flight to really miss how things used to be.

Nah, VT should take the bus.  get back to Buzz's roots.  #2 meals and 15 passenger vans.

Quote from: bilsu on April 11, 2014, 08:21:49 AM
Mu generally does not annouce transfers until their grades are in. Having said that, I am not expecting any transfers.

I don't think this is correct.

Last year, we knew of Furgeson's transfer by April 9th.
Jamail Jones transfer was annouced on April 27th.
Pat Hazel was April 12th.
Christopherson was by April 10th.
Erik Williams was May 7th

It appears that transfers are annouced as soon as the decision is final.  The earlier the decision is reached, the more transfer options they have.  Schools will fill up their scholarships tables, so if they wait until grades are in, chances are that there will be few programs with openings.

Speaking of His Buzzship, one question and one observation.

Has Bart hired any assistants, as yet?

Brett knows how to recruit, has an Empire State Building chip on his shoulder, and will build the Gobblers, or whatever they are called, into winners quickly.

It will be a bit harder because Bent has done damage to himself and to his credibility with move/press. Beauregard will win, and from his point of view, save souls.

I think some people here care more about Burt's performance in Blacksburg than most VT fans do.  VT fans are  probably spending most of their time talking about the upcoming spring football game.

Welcome to nowhere, Bart!

Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 11, 2014, 08:21:07 AM
I swear. You are the guys that get into dick-measuring contests with your ex's new boyfriends.

And lose.

MU > VT.

Didn't realize majority of the head-to-heads were close games.

That said, 5-4 MU.

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/virginia_tech

Maybe Burt,Brent,is having a little buyers remorse. He hasn't named any assistants as of yet and hes all alone on the
recruiting trail with a crap ton of money. Living the life!

Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 11, 2014, 08:21:07 AM
I swear. You are the guys that get into dick-measuring contests with your ex's new boyfriends.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the size of the fight in the dog

Butt's cleared 3 scholarships for next year now.

Quote from: Blueprint on April 11, 2014, 08:14:28 PM
Maybe Burt,Brent,is having a little buyers remorse. He hasn't named any assistants as of yet and hes all alone on the
recruiting trail with a crap ton of money. Living the life!

Hasn't named any assistants yet, because that allows them all to be on the recruiting trail during a dead period. He is playing the game.

Quote from: Heisenberg on April 11, 2014, 06:44:26 AM
As of this writing (early April 11) ...

Overview of MU

Wojo has been the Head Coach for 11 days.

No existing player has transferred (yet?).
No signed recruit has ask out of their NLI (yet?).  

If Brett stayed would this have been the case as of April 11?  I would argue no.  At least two players would have transferred.


Overview of VT

Brent has been the Head Coach for 21 days.

Bert has lost arguably his best player ... 6'11" Freshmen Trevor Thompson announced he is going to transfer
Brent has lost two signed VT recruits as they have asked for their release.

What It Means ...

Brent lost three players and, again as of this writing, no existing MU player or MU signed recruit seems interested in following Brent to VT.  Even Malek Harris, does not seem to be thrilled to go to VT as Malek has had 21 days to announce he going to follow Brent to VT.  He still may go to VT but at this point it is becoming apparent VT is Malek's "Safety School."

Fans of VT have to be concerned, when Thompson signed with a VT, they were a last place team.  They finished in last place this year.  VT hired a "Big Name" coach for a ton of money and their best player bails out.  Recruits that signed with a last place team are also bailing on a perceived "major upgrade" in coaching.  Finally, the great recruiter cannot lure ANYONE from his last stop (MU) to VT, not an existing player and not a recruit.

Meanwhile Wojo with a career 0 - 0 record seems to (again seems to) be keeping everyone at MU, has gotten Chief Cohen to recommit, gotten Noskowiak  to put MU at the top of his list again and has Ahmed Hill unsure about what to do (he has not flatly rejected Wojo after 11 days).

It seems as if everyone is responding to Wojo as the big name big reputation coach and Brent as the unknown assistant that is a big risk.

Am I too early in these observations or is their something here?

We should be on our knees thanking our administrators and DUKE. All of this Wojo hype is because of his association with Duke and their basketball history. If he would have came from any other high major, non-blue blood school like MU, we would have defections and departures all through our program.

So, thank you administrators for having the foresight to see this, and keeping this program relavent.

Quote from: Heisenberg on April 11, 2014, 06:44:26 AM
As of this writing (early April 11) ...

Overview of MU

Wojo has been the Head Coach for 11 days.

No existing player has transferred (yet?).
No signed recruit has ask out of their NLI (yet?).  

If Brett stayed would this have been the case as of April 11?  I would argue no.  At least two players would have transferred.


Overview of VT

Brent has been the Head Coach for 21 days.

Bert has lost arguably his best player ... 6'11" Freshmen Trevor Thompson announced he is going to transfer
Brent has lost two signed VT recruits as they have asked for their release.

What It Means ...

Brent lost three players and, again as of this writing, no existing MU player or MU signed recruit seems interested in following Brent to VT.  Even Malek Harris, does not seem to be thrilled to go to VT as Malek has had 21 days to announce he going to follow Brent to VT.  He still may go to VT but at this point it is becoming apparent VT is Malek's "Safety School."

Fans of VT have to be concerned, when Thompson signed with a VT, they were a last place team.  They finished in last place this year.  VT hired a "Big Name" coach for a ton of money and their best player bails out.  Recruits that signed with a last place team are also bailing on a perceived "major upgrade" in coaching.  Finally, the great recruiter cannot lure ANYONE from his last stop (MU) to VT, not an existing player and not a recruit.

Meanwhile Wojo with a career 0 - 0 record seems to (again seems to) be keeping everyone at MU, has gotten Chief Cohen to recommit, gotten Noskowiak  to put MU at the top of his list again and has Ahmed Hill unsure about what to do (he has not flatly rejected Wojo after 11 days).

It seems as if everyone is responding to Wojo as the big name big reputation coach and Brent as the unknown assistant that is a big risk.

Am I too early in these observations or is their something here?

The Parent in the picture.... Is probably happy hes gone.... Just like I am!

He's a Hillbilly.

He left Marquette.

Of course his reputation dove!

When you go from the penthouse to the outhouse -- or probably wizzing off the neighbor's patio -- what do you expect?

I'm not all that concerned with Buzz' success or lack thereof at VT.  I'm certainly not focused on the Grade B level recruit he's able to get going forward.  What I do know is that he really wasn't welcome at MU anymore and that there were audible cheers in Zilber that we didn't need to pay his buyout.  So it's a little like dumping your girlfriend, retrieving your prized class ring, and then caring who she dates going forward.

Quote from: Nevada233 on April 12, 2014, 07:56:51 AM

The Parent in the picture.... Is probably happy hes gone.... Just like I am!

That's not Dawson's daddy on the right, is it?

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 12, 2014, 11:41:28 AM
That's not Dawson's daddy on the right, is it?

lol... no not at all...

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 12, 2014, 11:41:28 AM
That's not Dawson's daddy on the right, is it?

Pretty sure that's Gardner's Mom and Dad....feeling for their son for having his senior year go down as it did.  Can't even imagine what the Dawson's true feelings were this past season - seeing their son perform REALLY well the one game he was given a legit chance, and then thereafter rarely seeing him get more than 8 minutes a game...while nothing improved with the guy ahead of him...and the team continued to flounder/lose games.

Buzz was in crazy town all last season.  Not the same coach he'd been the 5 previous years.  Totally lost it...and the team.  Pretty sure we'd have seen 3 or 4 transfers had he stayed...

What's pretty funny is that there are only about 4 slurpers still posting here. The rest have all taken a hiatus. They will be back at an opportune time. The slurpers left here are still defending their boy which is fine, it is amusement city. Just amazed at the blinders some people wear.

Did see a few posts from people who admitted that Buzz had them fooled, but to my recollection most of those were not big time defenders of El Buzzo. Have not seen one Buzz apologist admit they were wrong, the tune more is, "he did great things for us". And he did, with some exceptions, but his cowboy obstinacy sure carried him well to the end this past year, screwing kids and the team with it. El Douche: RIP.

Buzz is going to be fine at VT.   He is not going to have the same restriction on recruiting.    He is going to be able to use the "us against the world" mentality, as the expectations for VT basketball are so low.    I don't know how long he will be there, as apparently the wandering eye/vagabond ethos is too deeply ingrained in him.   There is going to be roster turnover, there is going to be JUCO's.  But I predict he does well enough there that when an opening at a big boy school opens up, he will still be on the short list.   

Quote from: willie warrior on April 14, 2014, 08:39:07 AM
What's pretty funny is that there are only about 4 slurpers still posting here. The rest have all taken a hiatus. They will be back at an opportune time. The slurpers left here are still defending their boy which is fine, it is amusement city. Just amazed at the blinders some people wear.

Did see a few posts from people who admitted that Buzz had them fooled, but to my recollection most of those were not big time defenders of El Buzzo. Have not seen one Buzz apologist admit they were wrong, the tune more is, "he did great things for us". And he did, with some exceptions, but his cowboy obstinacy sure carried him well to the end this past year, screwing kids and the team with it. El Douche: RIP.

Hey willie, are you still clinging to that narrative that Buzz forced Duane to redshirt and that he's pissed about it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpSnVQWxTM0

Please see the 1:00 to 1:10 mark. This is unprovoked, he just brings it up himself that he respects Buzz for advising him to go that route.

Buzz made a dumb decision to leave MU. We will be fine, Buzz may or may not be. However, you have to be one of the biggest morons I've ever come across. Congrats, have a great day!

Yes Buzz Lover/defender/Apologist/Slurper. I stand by it. Initially he did not want to RS, but was forced to by Buzz not playing him and other frosh. What else would you have him say now.

We could have used him for the last 20 or so games--and he would have been a hell of a better option than the shotless PG that Buzz insisted on ramming down everybody's throat. And I wouldn't expect a Buzz Boy to even consider this while wearing the blinders.

And speaking of morons, numbskull, always start the name calling of others that do not agree with you. But I defer to your professed superior intellect, which I am convinced has taken you far in your quest.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4w3lmh8uR1rx0xo5o1_400.gif)

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2014, 08:52:18 AM
Buzz is going to be fine at VT.   He is not going to have the same restriction on recruiting.    He is going to be able to use the "us against the world" mentality, as the expectations for VT basketball are so low.    I don't know how long he will be there, as apparently the wandering eye/vagabond ethos is too deeply ingrained in him.   There is going to be roster turnover, there is going to be JUCO's.  But I predict he does well enough there that when an opening at a big boy school opens up, he will still be on the short list.   

When you say he will be fine, what does that mean? Do you think he will be a regular in the tourney there? I think he will not be able to get that team to over .500 for at least 3 years, if at all. That league is very deep and I just don't see them being able to consistently compete with those top tier teams. I don think he will ever be able to land a blue blood job and unless he performs well at Va Tech, I think this move will cost him the chance to be Rick Barnes replacement.

I think this past season was the outlier and that he will be able to get VT to overperform their expectations, like he did at MU during seasons 2-5.    I don't know if that will get him to .500 in conference or not.   But back to Seth Greenberg levels is the floor for long term expectations while he is there.   

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2014, 11:41:01 AM
I think this past season was the outlier and that he will be able to get VT to overperform their expectations, like he did at MU during seasons 2-5.    I don't know if that will get him to .500 in conference or not.   But back to Seth Greenberg levels is the floor for long term expectations while he is there.   

VT was last place in the ACC the last three years.  They cannot get worse.

The question is what does VT think its getting for $18 million (over 7 years) and lots of jet fuel bills?

Will he be the ACC's Oliver Purnell?

Buzz can coach.   The two questions are this.    Can he recruit/coach well enough to make VT successful in the ACC?    And, how long will he be there?

Quote from: willie warrior on April 14, 2014, 11:24:51 AM
Yes Buzz Lover/defender/Apologist/Slurper. I stand by it. Initially he did not want to RS, but was forced to by Buzz not playing him and other frosh. What else would you have him say now.

We could have used him for the last 20 or so games--and he would have been a hell of a better option than the shotless PG that Buzz insisted on ramming down everybody's throat. And I wouldn't expect a Buzz Boy to even consider this while wearing the blinders.

And speaking of morons, numbskull, always start the name calling of others that do not agree with you. But I defer to your professed superior intellect, which I am convinced has taken you far in your quest.

If Duane regretted redshirting and felt he was "forced into it," he would have said so after Buzz was gone. He, in fact, said 180 degrees the opposite. Yet you continue to cling to a false narrative. Hysterical. Additionally, I did not approve of Derrick Wilson's copious minutes allotment and posted that several times during the season (not nearly as much as Ners did, obviously, but I agreed with him nonetheless - some of my quotes re: Derrick for your perusal at that bottom of this post). Regardless, that has nothing to do with Duane's decision to redshirt.

My official position re: Buzz is that I loved him while he was here, thought he did an excellent job for the first 5 years and was quite entertaining to boot, something was clearly off this year, and his leaving will likely be better off for both parties. I don't wish him ill-will, but I certainly hope he does not ever have a better single season at VT or elsewhere than he does at MU. You will not catch me jumping in to defend him 30 times/day (often at the expense of the current HC), unlike a few posters did on TC's behalf. That takes a special brand of twisted sycophancy that I cannot even fathom. Not to mention it would be a gigantic waste of one's time at best and potentially damaging to the current regime's reputation at worst. Neither end of that spectrum is remotely appealing or productive.

BTW, the term "slurper" has to be the worst contribution in this board's history. With that, I will give you the final word should you choose to continue to spew your thougthless garbage complete with a complete lack of actual basketball analysis.

Quote from: Jajuannaman on January 21, 2014, 12:07:41 AM
This is what I think Derrick is perfect for. 8-12 minutes a night holding serve and harassing/tiring out the opponent's PG. No obligation/pressure to score or initiate offense. Just do what you're good at all out for short stints then back to the bench. I think he's more comfortable in that role as well. And he's such a smart & unselfish guy that I wouldn't be shocked in the least if he proposed this to Buzz himself.

(...it came out later that Derrick actually did propose that to Buzz in the GTown game)

Quote from: Jajuannaman on January 22, 2014, 12:37:43 PM
Extrapolating Dawson's short stints are worthless. He looked shaky early against GTown but settled in when Buzz didn't pull him and looked very good the rest of the way. That's part of the reason why Ners was right. He needs extended playing time to show his worth. The two times that has happened in conference play - @X and @GTown - both he and the team have performed well during his time on the court.

Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 05, 2014, 09:11:15 AM
Flip the PG minutes to 27 for Dawson & 13 for Derrick (no way that game goes to OT otherwise) and we win by 5+ in regulation. As with @GTown, That was a good matchup for John, bad matchup for Derrick. John was feeling it, Derrick wasn't. C'est la vie. Hope things shake out differently next year at the position.

Edit to clarify: I like Derrick and think he has a role on this team. I just think it should be more of an Otule role, with Dawson/Duane/Fillintheblank playing a Davante role. I think Derrick would relish the thought of coming in for 8-12 minutes and harassing the opposition's PG on D, making hustle plays, etc. without having to be relied on to generate any offense whatsoever, wearing out the other PG for the Davante-PG to take advantage of when he comes back in. That role has value. He is miscast as a 30+ mpg PG right now.

I also think he could be the team leader in that role by being vocal at practice and giving max effort at all times. It doesn't need to be that it equates to 30+ mpg on the floor in game time.

Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 05, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
Exactly. That has been the familiar stat line for far too many of the opposition's PGs this year in a loss we could have won. If you're going to be a defensive specialist for 30+ minutes, you need to have games where you completely shut down your man. It doesn't matter how hard he has to work for his points if he still ends up scoring/distributing in the end.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/Privateer_Island/index.php?s=17ea94e73f548e00c57b947f6c156213&showtopic=252

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2014, 11:50:48 AM
Buzz can coach.   The two questions are this.    Can he recruit/coach well enough to make VT successful in the ACC?    And, how long will he be there?

So long as Buzz doesn't have some grudge against admin, donors, and develops a thicker skin - he should be okay.  His "I'll show you what you are going to get if you will only let me recruit certain types of players," approach that he took last year won't get him very far.  It has come out from well placed sources that his frustration over the Malek Harris admittance as well as some of the JUCO question marks with regard to admission - led to him rolling out the high character lineup he sent out last season - largely to say...if you won't let me recruit my kinds of players, this is what you are going to get.  Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil, Otule....I won't play Todd many minutes or as many as he deserves as he's had some character question marks...don't care about developing the freshman...because I'm gone after the season is over any way...

The above is the explanation as Buzz's coaching moves/motivations last season...and also reflected why he suddenly turned into an awful coach - when he'd demonstrated good coaching skills the 5 years prior.   

Quote from: Ners on April 14, 2014, 12:23:11 PM
led to him rolling out the high character lineup he sent out last season - largely to say...if you won't let me recruit my kinds of players, this is what you are going to get.  Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil, Otule....

+1.

Best part being that I wouldn't put Juan into a 'high character' category.

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2014, 11:50:48 AM
Buzz can coach.   The two questions are this.    Can he recruit/coach well enough to make VT successful in the ACC?    And, how long will he be there?

Breny CAN'T coach. This past year proved it! He is NOT gonna do good in the ACC. I GUARANTEE IT

Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 14, 2014, 09:02:47 AM
Hey willie, are you still clinging to that narrative that Buzz forced Duane to redshirt and that he's pissed about it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpSnVQWxTM0

Please see the 1:00 to 1:10 mark. This is unprovoked, he just brings it up himself that he respects Buzz for advising him to go that route.

Buzz made a dumb decision to leave MU. We will be fine, Buzz may or may not be. However, you have to be one of the biggest morons I've ever come across. Congrats, have a great day!

I thought it was interesting when Taylor said Brent was either going to take scholarships, or he was gonna be leaving. It makes it seem like there was a rift between certain players and Brent. I wonder how many of these players really liked Buzz. It seems like none of the players was very sad about him leaving and maybe had grown tired of his act.

139-67, 69-39, S-16 S-16 E-8 say he can coach.   This past season is clearly the outlier.  And it wasn't fun.    If he is happier elsewhere....best of luck.   Probably best for all involved if his heart wasn't in MU.     But to say he can't coach is just dumb.  

Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 14, 2014, 12:02:02 PM
If Duane regretted redshirting and felt he was "forced into it," he would have said so after Buzz was gone. He, in fact, said 180 degrees the opposite. Yet you continue to cling to a false narrative. Hysterical. Additionally, I did not approve of Derrick Wilson's copious minutes allotment and posted that several times during the season (not nearly as much as Ners did, obviously, but I agreed with him nonetheless - some of my quotes re: Derrick for your perusal at that bottom of this post). Regardless, that has nothing to do with Duane's decision to redshirt.

My official position re: Buzz is that I loved him while he was here, thought he did an excellent job for the first 5 years and was quite entertaining to boot, something was clearly off this year, and his leaving will likely be better off for both parties. I don't wish him ill-will, but I certainly hope he does not ever have a better single season at VT or elsewhere than he does at MU. You will not catch me jumping in to defend him 30 times/day (often at the expense of the current HC), unlike a few posters did on TC's behalf. That takes a special brand of twisted sycophancy that I cannot even fathom. Not to mention it would be a gigantic waste of one's time at best and potentially damaging to the current regime's reputation at worst. Neither end of that spectrum is remotely appealing or productive.

BTW, the term "slurper" has to be the worst contribution in this board's history. With that, I will give you the final word should you choose to continue to spew your thougthless garbage complete with a complete lack of actual basketball analysis.


(...it came out later that Derrick actually did propose that to Buzz in the GTown game)

Final thought for the day:
I will surpasss your garbage basketball knowledge any time any day, even though you "think" more than I do.
I love the self serving people that think their knowledge is so superior to others. Maybe you can become "King of the World". Oops, sorry, in your mind you are. Keep patting your supreme brain on the back, because we love how you praise your own intellect. Truly amusing. And you are wrong about slurper being the worst contribution on this board. Yeah, I used it but others picked it up and used it. The worst contributions on this board are the ones that come from Bananaman.
You know what they say about people that cannot stand opinions of others--they are the biggest table pounders who call names--which fits your MO to a T. Mr. Tolerance: Bananaman.

Willie,

I will point out for at least the 7th time that the only time the "slurpers" come out to defend Buzz is when you make posts calling out the slurpers.

We have moved on. We are happily slurping Wojo now. We are also content with Buzz being gone.

The only one bringing up "El Buzzo" is you.

Let it go, and he will slip off into the sunset just like you want him to.

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on April 14, 2014, 12:39:11 PM
I thought it was interesting when Taylor said Brent was either going to take scholarships, or he was gonna be leaving. It makes it seem like there was a rift between certain players and Brent. I wonder how many of these players really liked Buzz. It seems like none of the players was very sad about him leaving and maybe had grown tired of his act.

Haha yeah I DEFINITELY got that from Steve's answer. I think Ners' explanation above (re: Buzz' disagreements with the admin and how he chose to deal with it) manifested itself horribly on the court and with team dynamics/player relationships. As I said, his leaving will probably be best for both parties, there certainly seemed to be some irrevocable differences that resulted from this past season. Onward and upward! We are a better program than VT and always will be. No sweat off my sack.

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2014, 12:40:08 PM
139-67, 69-39, S-16 S-16 E-8 say he can coach.   This past season is clearly the outlier.  And it wasn't fun.    If he is happier elsewhere....best of luck.   Probably best for all involved if his heart wasn't in MU.     But to say he can't coach is just dumb.  

Man u are such a Brent slurper its not even funny. All the flaws the guy has and you cant even see them

Quote from: WadeATKBurton on April 14, 2014, 01:07:46 PM
Man u are such a Brent slurper its not even funny. All the flaws the guy has and you cant even see them

Are we talking about his flaws or whether or not he can coach?  The record would seem otherwise and I'm not a fan of his.

Quote from: WadeATKBurton on April 14, 2014, 01:07:46 PM
Man u are such a Brent slurper its not even funny. All the flaws the guy has and you cant even see them

God I'm embarrassed. The 2nd best coach we've had in program history can't coach! We must be a terrible program! How do we even show our faces around the other D1 programs?

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 14, 2014, 01:03:14 PM
Willie,

I will point out for at least the 7th time that the only time the "slurpers" come out to defend Buzz is when you make posts calling out the slurpers.

We have moved on. We are happily slurping Wojo now. We are also content with Buzz being gone.
The only one bringing up "El Buzzo" is you.

Let it go, and he will slip off into the sunset just like you want him to.

+1

Quote from: WadeATKBurton on April 14, 2014, 01:07:46 PM
Man u are such a Brent slurper its not even funny. All the flaws the guy has and you cant even see them

I don't hold grudges.   I didn't hold one against Crean either, though it is fun to poke at Chicos.    You can't put up the numbers he did if you can't coach.   You can't be on every team's short list if no one thinks you can coach.   To argue that his body of work, all 6 seasons, not just the last one, indicates that he cannot coach is just dumb.   No other way to put it.   It is flat-earth dumb to argue that he cannot coach.    Don't like him?   Fine.   Glad he's gone?   No problem.    Think that he phoned in last season?   Go with it.  He is a lousy coach?     Stupid.   

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2014, 01:37:15 PM
I don't hold grudges.   I didn't hold one against Crean either, though it is fun to poke at Chicos.    You can't put up the numbers he did if you can't coach.   You can't be on every team's short list if no one thinks you can coach.   To argue that his body of work, all 6 seasons, not just the last one, indicates that he cannot coach is just dumb.   No other way to put it.   It is flat-earth dumb to argue that he cannot coach.    Don't like him?   Fine.   Glad he's gone?   No problem.    Think that he phoned in last season?   Go with it.  He is a lousy coach?     Stupid.   

+1

We were lucky to have our last two coaches.

We'll be lucky if Wojo is as successful as either of our last two coaches.

Agreed, Skatastrophy.   I am cautiously optimistic that CoWojo can keep building the program.    He has certainly done many good things early.   But I am waiting to see if he can land Hill, who he will be able to get to replace Pierce and Shayok, and I kind of want to see him coach a real game before I go all in.   

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2014, 01:50:14 PM
Agreed, Skatastrophy.   I am cautiously optimistic that CoWojo can keep building the program.    He has certainly done many good things early.   But I am waiting to see if he can land Hill, who he will be able to get to replace Pierce and Shayok, and I kind of want to see him coach a real game before I go all in.   

Samesies bro.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 14, 2014, 01:03:14 PM
Willie,

I will point out for at least the 7th time that the only time the "slurpers" come out to defend Buzz is when you make posts calling out the slurpers.

We have moved on. We are happily slurping Wojo now. We are also content with Buzz being gone.

The only one bringing up "El Buzzo" is you.

Let it go, and he will slip off into the sunset just like you want him to.

TAMU,
Just wanted to tell you how much better the forum experience has been since putting Willie on Ignore.