Since he's officially recommitted, figured it warranted it's own thread. 5 minutes of footage posted a couple weeks ago. To be honest the reel reminds me a bit of Juan in high school. But Cohen is better with the ball it seems. Excited to see him to step on court!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvwu86OjHRc
Above average ball handling, above average court vision, and off the charts athleticism.
I like it.
Only thing I noticed was his shooting form seems to have a slight hitch in it
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 09, 2014, 12:01:31 PM
Above average ball handling, above average court vision, and off the charts athleticism.
I like it.
Only thing I noticed was his shooting form seems to have a slight hitch in it
Yeah, don't know if he'll be able to get off that shot in college. But a great athlete and terrific passer.
How many different Wisconsin high schools have the Marquette style uniform?
Quote from: ecompt on April 09, 2014, 12:09:24 PM
Yeah, don't know if he'll be able to get off that shot in college. But a great athlete and terrific passer.
I see him as a shooter type, not overly aggressive to the hoop. Perhaps a watered down version of one of the Harrison twins.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 09, 2014, 12:01:31 PM
Above average ball handling, above average court vision, and off the charts athleticism.
I like it.
Only thing I noticed was his shooting form seems to have a slight hitch in it
Reminds me of Michael Carter - Williams
When I see around the back move on the fast break dunk, why do I picture Lou Brown from Major League?
"Nice catch, Hayes. Don't ever #*&#' do it again."
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 09, 2014, 12:01:31 PM
Above average ball handling, above average court vision, and off the charts athleticism.
I like it.
Only thing I noticed was his shooting form seems to have a slight hitch in it
On some of his shot blocking he looks like he might have a double jointed elbow. His arm angles made me cringe a couple of times, which also might make his shot look odd.
Quote from: atk13thst on April 09, 2014, 12:17:30 PM
Reminds me of Michael Carter - Williams
Yup, striking similarities to MCW.
Definitely more athletic than I remembered. The kid can sky.
We need shooting, and this kid shot 100% in that video. Yeah!
Seriously, I like the MCW comparisons. Also reminds me a little of a slightly taller poor man's Deron Williams. I'd take either one!
Very impressive handle, leaping ability and vision.
And yes, his shooting form isn't perfect but compared to JJJ's and Vander's, it is Larry Bird!
Kinda looks like MCW to...
Reminds me of Juan Anderson, so lets settle down. This MCW crap is the reason you jump all over players when they don't perform.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6VDJN3xkdo
Quote from: atk13thst on April 09, 2014, 12:17:30 PM
Reminds me of Michael Carter - Williams
+1
I posted that in a thread yesterday. Super long arms. Should get lots of steals. Maybe a little better shooter than MCW - hopefully will be as good of a player.
Quote from: MU82 on April 09, 2014, 01:22:18 PM
We need shooting, and this kid shot 100% in that video. Yeah!
Also reminds me a little of a slightly taller poor man's Deron Williams.
He'll have to work on gaining 40 pounds when he gets to the NBA :D
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 09, 2014, 03:01:44 PM
Reminds me of Juan Anderson, so lets settle down. This MCW crap is the reason you jump all over players when they don't perform.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6VDJN3xkdo
He might of looked like Juan in High School, but somehow Juan forgot how to offensively play the last 3 years. Hopefully, Sandy can bring more to his game to the next level. My early concern is how does Sandy play on the AAU circuit because day in and day out the competition near Green Bay is not strong. If anybody saw Sandy play on the AAU circuit give us some info on how he played against better competition?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2014, 04:28:10 PM
He might of looked like Juan in High School, but somehow Juan forgot how to offensively play the last 3 years. Hopefully, Sandy can bring more to his game to the next level. My early concern is how does Sandy play on the AAU circuit because day in and day out the competition near Green Bay is not strong. If anybody saw Sandy play on the AAU circuit give us some info on how he played against better competition?
I would guess he played pretty well since national rankings are based more on the AAU play then their high school games.
Quote from: brandx on April 09, 2014, 04:35:45 PM
I would guess he played pretty well since national rankings are based more on the AAU play then their high school games.
Looking for a real answer, not I guess answer.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Looking for a real answer, not I guess answer.
I guess brandx has a good point.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Looking for a real answer, not I guess answer.
Best course of action is to steer clear of this board.
Quote from: sv48 on April 09, 2014, 05:03:10 PM
I guess brands has a good point.
He might have a good point, but sometimes a knowledgeable basketball observer might see it differently than those scout ratings. Nigel Hayes would be a Top 10 freshman vs. Jejuna Johnson might be, below the Top 50 after watching him play this year, everybody has an opinion.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2014, 05:09:11 PM
He might have a good point, but sometimes a knowledgeable basketball observer might see it differently than those scout ratings. Nigel Hayes would be a Top 10 freshman vs. Jejuna Johnson might be, below the Top 50 after watching him play this year, everybody has an opinion.
Not sure who Jejuna Johnson is, but if you meant JaJuan Johnson, he just needs some more playing time and time to prove himself. We'll see how he does this year under a different coach.
Quote from: brandx on April 09, 2014, 04:35:45 PM
I would guess he played pretty well since national rankings are based more on the AAU play then their high school games.
So, Evan Daniels, Jerry Meyer and Reggie Rankin didn't spend a lot of time in Seymour this winter?
Ideal Length.
Good hops.
Shot's not too bad, keeps his elbow in. More of a flat footed shooter, kinda reminds me of Vander's shot.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 09, 2014, 05:42:08 PM
So, Evan Daniels, Jerry Meyer and Reggie Rankin didn't spend a lot of time in Seymour this winter?
I'd imagine they did - but for the rankings, they want to see how a player competes against other top players around the country. That's why AAU ball is so important.
Little disconcerting that he's the tallest guy out there in most of the highlights- could take him awhile to get acclimated to the bigger bodies
Quote from: CAGASS24 on April 09, 2014, 07:29:53 PM
Little disconcerting that he's the tallest guy out there in most of the highlights- could take him awhile to get acclimated to the bigger bodies
Not to mention the "white loaves of bread" that he has all of his highlights against. What do we call them here? Traditionals?
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 09, 2014, 07:32:33 PM
Not to mention the "white loaves of bread" that he has all of his highlights against. What do we call them here? Traditionals?
I don't see many traditionals there at all....in fact maybe not even one.
A Shabazz Napier type??????
Strotty, what's your take?
For what it's worth, a few of the educated UCLA fans here knew UCLA was looking at him and they are bummed he is going to MU.
There is a huge difference between high school and college. Clearly Mr. Cohen is very athletic and has the raw material required for success at the high D-1 collegiate level. If he can make it through the first semester of school and adapt his game to playing against guys who are of similar athletic ability, who are bigger and stronger then he may be able to contribute in a small way next year. My sense is it will take him a year to make the transition. We never really know with any of these recruits until they get on campus. On the whole I think he is a solid recruit and glad we have him.
Quote from: Texas Western on April 09, 2014, 09:05:09 PM
There is a huge difference between high school and college. Clearly Mr. Cohen is very athletic and has the raw material required for success at the high D-1 collegiate level. If he can make it through the first semester of school and adapt his game to playing against guys who are of similar athletic ability, who are bigger and stronger then he may be able to contribute in a small way next year. My sense is it will take him a year to make the transition. We never really know with any of these recruits until they get on campus. On the whole I think he is a solid recruit and glad we have him.
I've watched 2 high school games that have been replayed here showing Cohen's team, Seymour. He has a quick shot and has shot right over some kids. At the DI level, this won't happen quite as often. He has decent quickness, but seems to favor the outside shot rather than slashing to the hoop. There is a red flag here as in the two games I watched, he was the tallest player on the floor. He should have been able to dominate more, but didn't. I would have liked to see him play with his back to the basket more, and get his hands dirty down low with his height advantage. Nonetheless, the defense clamped down on him, with double and triple coverage at times so respect has to be given there. If Wojo can coach him to drive to the hoop effectively, this will vastly improve Cohen's game, making him a dual threat.
As far as playing his freshman season, he's going to be restricted to his comfort zone, which is a catch and shoot player on the perimeter - similar to what Steve Novak what his freshman year. I could see him having a Jake Thomas game or two (4-5 , 3 pointers in a game), as long as he progresses mentally and plays defense.
Almost everything is based on AAU play when it comes to rankings. And AAU is especially important when attending a smaller high school that doesn't play against top level kids. Some of these kids play 70-80 AAU games in the off-season. They travel and play against top players from around the country. That is where the real evaluation goes on for college coaches. No schools contacted Cohen until he played AAU ball before his junior year. Then he was contacted by Kentucky, Marquette, Wake, & Memphis among others.
A coach will travel to Seymour just so he can be seen by Cohen - but he isn't going to learn much watching him play against teams where the big man may be 6'3" or 6'4".
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 09, 2014, 03:01:44 PM
Reminds me of Juan Anderson, so lets settle down. This MCW crap is the reason you jump all over players when they don't perform.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6VDJN3xkdo
Just watching this highlight clip, and Juan was doing things that I've never seen him do at MU. Hopefully Wojo can get him back on track for his last yr.
Quote from: brandx on April 09, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
Almost everything is based on AAU play when it comes to rankings. And AAU is especially important when attending a smaller high school that doesn't play against top level kids. Some of these kids play 70-80 AAU games in the off-season. They travel and play against top players from around the country. That is where the real evaluation goes on for college coaches. No schools contacted Cohen until he played AAU ball before his junior year. Then he was contacted by Kentucky, Marquette, Wake, & Memphis among others.
A coach will travel to Seymour just so he can be seen by Cohen - but he isn't going to learn much watching him play against teams where the big man may be 6'3" or 6'4".
You can definitely learn a lot from watching him play against High School competition. You're watching him play against a more cohesive defensive unit. AAU ball is crap in terms of schemes/defenses and has been always criticized for not teaching fundamentals. AAU ball is a showcase that is closer to And 1 basketball than authentic "coached up" basketball.
Cohen matched up well against some pretty tough teams this year.....West De Pere three times....has two D 1 players this year 6' 8 and 6' 6 both excellent players....MU interested in 6 8 kid. Cohen will do well at MU
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 09, 2014, 03:01:44 PM
Reminds me of Juan Anderson, so lets settle down. This MCW crap is the reason you jump all over players when they don't perform.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6VDJN3xkdo
Agreed. Juan Anderson 2.0. He'll need some time to develop but could be solid
same length and same athlete but Cohen is a better shooter, better ballhandler and better passer IMO. His 3 point form is better and he dribbles better in traffic then Juan showed in HS. Juan has some flash to his game in HS but I don't think the Highlights were reflective of how he really played or scored.
Cohen does need to fill out quite a bit.
If you want to watch 4:30 of dunks watch the video.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on April 10, 2014, 09:43:30 AM
same length and same athlete but Cohen is a better shooter, better ballhandler and better passer IMO. His 3 point form is better and he dribbles better in traffic then Juan showed in HS. Juan has some flash to his game in HS but I don't think the Highlights were reflective of how he really played or scored.
Cohen does need to fill out quite a bit.
Agreed after having watched three of his games in February and March. Much different player than Juan. Not sure he has to fill out that much as he needs to get stronger as he does have a sturdy looking frame.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on April 10, 2014, 09:43:30 AM
same length and same athlete but Cohen is a better shooter, better ballhandler and better passer IMO. His 3 point form is better and he dribbles better in traffic then Juan showed in HS. Juan has some flash to his game in HS but I don't think the Highlights were reflective of how he really played or scored.
Cohen does need to fill out quite a bit.
I hope you don't coach hoops. If you think Cohen's form is better than Juan's, you need help. Juan has a great looking jumper, just rarely goes in. Confidence is such a huge part of basketball, maybe Wojo can get Juan going...who knows.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 10, 2014, 11:21:28 AM
I hope you don't coach hoops. If you think Cohen's form is better than Juan's, you need help. Juan has a great looking jumper, just rarely goes in. Confidence is such a huge part of basketball, maybe Wojo can get Juan going...who knows.
I guess the ball does need to go in once in a while? Juan's jumper from the top of the key off a pass in transition is good. He is very poor elsewhere despite his form.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 10, 2014, 11:25:19 AM
I guess the ball does need to go in once in a while? Juan's jumper from the top of the key off a pass in transition is good. He is very poor elsewhere despite his form.
To all, good form, bad form, look at the box score, Juan can not score, bottom line. Cohen we will see in the next few years. He does have a left hand, Juan does not. Did see him play, first
half my thought was why did they recruit this Kid? Second half he had over 20 points, from inside and out. Very impressed, hope he does not end up like Jamil Wilson, one half wonder.
Sandy interview. Well-composed, smart guy. Twitter and social media reveals inaccuracies about these guys. His tweet was just due to shock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq6YwBpODiY