I am soooooo interested to see what Wojo does with the point guard situation.
Before you say, "Obviously, he has to be smart enough to know we can't start Derrick," remember that he was a defensive-minded, offensively-challenge PG himself who almost surely will value a similar player. Wojo was a career .364 shooter from 3-point range and .732 from the FT line, so that is a major difference -- he could make a shot when he had to.
This decision will give us a lot of insight into Wojo's philosophies about many things: playing vets vs. youngsters; playing defense-first players vs. offense-first players; placing emphasis on performance in practices; etc.
Can't wait to see how it all plays out at the most important position on the court.
I believe the decision at the PG will decide what type of season we'll have. Will he run buzz's players in their normal routine, or do his own thing?
I think the latter, and we'll still see a starting DW for the start of the season, but a less stubborn coach change his ways at the end of the season if not sooner.
No coach wants to have a bad record in his first year.
I'd like to see a JA splash or JJJ (J cubed to me) to make an immediate impactl
Who starts at point is less important next year because the focus of the O wont be feeding the post. It was this year allowing Wilson's man to sag without consequence. I still think Derrick is way too limited for significant minutes., but his weakness are more of an issue with Otule in the line up vs. a Fischer, who I think can spread things out.
If he brings dook's style of play with him, the bigs are screen setters and rebounders...they are not a feed the post offense and guard play is important.
Look for him to recruit more pure shooters and defensive minded players. We'll probably be less athletic over time and at times look more like Wisconsin than we ever have....I'm not saying playing in the 50s and 60s because dook can be explosive at times, but more perimeter shooters who can knock down the three.
I've never been able to understand why any decent big would ever want to play at dook since they will never be featured in that offense.....I'm hoping we're a bit more of a hybrid than a clone of dook.
Believe it or not, players improve in the off season. I'm sure the first thing Derrick will work on is his shot. Imagine if he could hit a few how much it would change our offense. I'm not saying he should start (I'm a huge Duane Wilson fan), but if the main problem with his game is shooting, he has 7 months to work on it.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 06:51:02 AM
Believe it or not, players improve in the off season. I'm sure the first thing Derrick will work on is his shot. Imagine if he could hit a few how much it would change our offense. I'm not saying he should start (I'm a huge Duane Wilson fan), but if the main problem with his game is shooting, he has 7 months to work on it.
How many years has he had to work on his shot? He had to know going into this season he would need a better outside shot (and the ability to make layups and free throws) if he wanted to get significant playing time. Oh wait, maybe he knew something we didn't and that it wouldn't matter how offensively challenged he was and that he would still get the majority of the minutes. Hopefully next year he won't feel the playing time will automatically be his and he will indeed develop some offense, but it is difficult to see him ever being a great shooter.
Quote from: MU1980 on April 03, 2014, 07:11:06 AM
How many years has he had to work on his shot? He had to know going into this season he would need a better outside shot (and the ability to make layups and free throws) if he wanted to get significant playing time. Oh wait, maybe he knew something we didn't and that it wouldn't matter how offensively challenged he was and that he would still get the majority of the minutes. Hopefully next year he won't feel the playing time will automatically be his and he will indeed develop some offense, but it is difficult to see him ever being a great shooter.
That is fairly nonsensical. Plenty of players make it to the NBA without being great shooters, and then become excellent shooters. It is one of the easier basketball skills to learn with coaching. Additionally, Derrick is an extremely hard worker (and a military kid), so I don't follow your logic when you imply that he knew the starting job was his so he didn't have to work at it.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 07:19:04 AM
That is fairly nonsensical. Plenty of players make it to the NBA without being great shooters, and then become excellent shooters. It is one of the easier basketball skills to learn with coaching. Additionally, Derrick is an extremely hard worker (and a military kid), so I don't follow your logic when you imply that he knew the starting job was his so he didn't have to work at it.
If developing an outside shot is fairly easy and Derrick is an extremely hard worker, why was his shot so horrific this year. Maybe because he was working mainly on his defense, knowing that is how he was going to get playing time under Buzz. Now, hopefully he will be told that he will need a better outside shot (and certainly free throw shooting ability above a Shaq level) to get playing time and since you say it is so easy to develop, we will have two great shooting point guards named Wilson next year.
Quote from: MU1980 on April 03, 2014, 07:29:15 AM
If developing an outside shot is fairly easy and Derrick is an extremely hard worker, why was his shot so horrific this year. Maybe because he was working mainly on his defense, knowing that is how he was going to get playing time under Buzz. Now, hopefully he will be told that he will need a better outside shot (and certainly free throw shooting ability above a Shaq level) to get playing time and since you say it is so easy to develop, we will have two great shooting point guards named Wilson next year.
Look, you don't have to be upset about it. Shooting takes time. I'm saying that you can't teach, speed or athleticism. You can certainly teach shooting. Look at how awful Vander Blue was his freshman and sophomore years. His points all came inside. By his Junior year, he was a serviceable shooter, and teams had to respect him. If Derrick spends his time shooting there is no reason to think that he can't improve.
Honestly, the thing I find just as frustrating as his shooting problem is that he has poor court vision in transition. He very rarely pushes the ball, and instead prefers to slow it down when there seems to be better opportunities.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 08:03:53 AM
Look, you don't have to be upset about it. Shooting takes time. I'm saying that you can't teach, speed or athleticism. You can certainly teach shooting. Look at how awful Vander Blue was his freshman and sophomore years. His points all came inside. By his Junior year, he was a serviceable shooter, and teams had to respect him. If Derrick spends his time shooting there is no reason to think that he can't improve.
Honestly, the thing I find just as frustrating as his shooting problem is that he has poor court vision in transition. He very rarely pushes the ball, and instead prefers to slow it down when there seems to be better opportunities.
Where was I upset about anything. Just not completely agreeing with you. I find it hard to believe that with Derricks work ethic that someone on the staff was not able to help him shoot better. Therefore, I am guessing it wasn't what he was working on since Buzz is so defensive minded. My hope is that with a new coach, he will use his work ethic to become a better shooter, although I have a difficult time seeing him going from a 45% free throw shooter to a 70%.
Quote from: MU1980 on April 03, 2014, 08:26:08 AM
Where was I upset about anything. Just not completely agreeing with you. I find it hard to believe that with Derricks work ethic that someone on the staff was not able to help him shoot better. Therefore, I am guessing it wasn't what he was working on since Buzz is so defensive minded. My hope is that with a new coach, he will use his work ethic to become a better shooter, although I have a difficult time seeing him going from a 45% free throw shooter to a 70%.
I can agree with that.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
I can agree with that.
Generally speaking a guys can either shoot by the time he is 21 years old and been playing basketball his whole life, or he cannot. Generally a GUARD who shoots 45% from the FT line, is never going to evolve into a good perimeter/3 point shooter.
Vander was a good shooter in high school as a junior...somewhere lost confidence....yet I believe as a sophomore he shot close to 75% on FT's - which can foreshadow being a good shooter.
If Derrick can improve, and be a threat on offense - then he is worthy of some playing time...and should get a look at beginning of season. Yet, there is no way in hell Wojo keeps Duane and Dawson on the bench if Derrick were to get starting nod, and perform as he did last year.
Derrick playing the majority of minutes only means he is more ready than Duane and Dawson.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 06:51:02 AM
Believe it or not, players improve in the off season. I'm sure the first thing Derrick will work on is his shot. Imagine if he could hit a few how much it would change our offense. I'm not saying he should start (I'm a huge Duane Wilson fan), but if the main problem with his game is shooting, he has 7 months to work on it.
Since graduating from high school, he has had 3 off seasons to work on his shot and improve it. Why do you think this off season will be any different?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 06:51:02 AM
Believe it or not, players improve in the off season. I'm sure the first thing Derrick will work on is his shot. Imagine if he could hit a few how much it would change our offense. I'm not saying he should start (I'm a huge Duane Wilson fan), but if the main problem with his game is shooting, he has 7 months to work on it.
Unless you are DJ under Buzz's tutelage.
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on April 03, 2014, 10:02:29 AM
Since graduating from high school, he has had 3 off seasons to work on his shot and improve it. Why do you think this off season will be any different?
Either you have it or you do not. He does not.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on April 03, 2014, 06:24:32 AM
If he brings dook's style of play with him, the bigs are screen setters and rebounders...they are not a feed the post offense and guard play is important.
Look for him to recruit more pure shooters and defensive minded players. We'll probably be less athletic over time and at times look more like Wisconsin than we ever have....I'm not saying playing in the 50s and 60s because dook can be explosive at times, but more perimeter shooters who can knock down the three.
I've never been able to understand why any decent big would ever want to play at dook since they will never be featured in that offense.....I'm hoping we're a bit more of a hybrid than a clone of dook.
It would be refreshing to have some players that can shoot the three.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 03, 2014, 10:41:32 AM
It would be refreshing to have some players that can shoot the three.
I suspect the current coach might actually put some emphasis on that.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 06:51:02 AM
Believe it or not, players improve in the off season. I'm sure the first thing Derrick will work on is his shot. Imagine if he could hit a few how much it would change our offense. I'm not saying he should start (I'm a huge Duane Wilson fan), but if the main problem with his game is shooting, he has 7 months to work on it.
As other commenters have noted, Derrick knew he was going to start this past season, so one would think an intelligent, hard-working guy like him would have spent 7 months working on his outside shot. And maybe he did just that but, simply (and sadly) he cannot shoot. He wouldn't be the first player in basketball history who, no matter how much time he spends working at it, he just cannot shoot.
People like to talk about how Vander almost miraculously became a reliable shooter as a junior, but it didn't just happen overnight. He actually improved quite a bit from his frosh to soph season (.413-.258-.708 as soph after .394-.160-.608 as frosh), showing signs of hope. Derrick, remarkably, found a way to become a worse 3-point shooter and FT shooter as a junior. I say remarkably because he was so poor statistically in his first two seasons that it figured to be impossible for him to actually get worse!
Some guys simply can't shoot, and Derrick has shown nothing to suggest he is anything but one of those guys. I don't know why anyone would have hope that he can become even a passable shooter.
Quote from: vacinator on April 03, 2014, 05:43:08 AM
Who starts at point is less important next year because the focus of the O wont be feeding the post. It was this year allowing Wilson's man to sag without consequence. I still think Derrick is way too limited for significant minutes., but his weakness are more of an issue with Otule in the line up vs. a Fischer, who I think can spread things out.
Who plays point guard is important no matter what the offense is. Yes, you need a good PG if you have a low-post offense. You also need a good PG if you have a drive-and-kick 3-point offense. Or any other offense. Unless you have a dominant 2 or a Pippen-type 3, your PG owns the ball, makes the decision and drives the attack, no matter what kind of attack you have.
I know Wojo is aware of this and, as I said in my OP, I am beyond merely curious about what he's going to do about it.
If their defense improves well Dawsons or Duane come in and they don't get the majority of the PG minutes from Derrick (By their play forcing and leaving Wojo no choice) then that says alot about their development..... But both of them walked on the campus with a higher upside especially offensively than Derrick, so if they are legit defenders with a whole offseason to work on it... They should get the minutes... Defense is easier to teach than shooting, when it comes to Free Throws and 3 pointers you don't go from Shaquille Oneal numbers to Steph Curry from the line over the summer....
From what I remember game watching it seemed Derrick was sub-50%
on his layups also
Quote from: elephantraker on April 03, 2014, 01:39:43 PM
From what I remember game watching it seemed Derrick was sub-50%
on his layups also
Missed Layups and most of his 1,2 and 3 point shots.....
We cannot be subjected to this sub par play for 30-35 MPG again.... EVER!
I'm hoping that Woj takes a tough love approach to player development with DW, and says something like this to DW:
Derrick - You're a good athlete and a below average shooter. If you don't improve your shooting, you won't see much floor time. This is my development plan to improve your shooting. It starts today and involves this, this and this. Do I have your buy in?
Quote from: AZWarrior on April 03, 2014, 02:12:30 PM
I'm hoping that Woj takes a tough love approach to player development with DW, and says something like this to DW:
Derrick - You're a good athlete and a below average shooter. If you don't improve your shooting, you won't see much floor time. This is my development plan to improve your shooting. It starts today and involves this, this and this. Do I have your buy in?
So you want to apply the Buzz William's freshmen methodology to D. Wilson now?
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 02:14:36 PM
So you want to apply the Buzz William's freshmen methodology to D. Wilson now?
Buzz didn't develop DW's shooting ability. Obviously. So I'm not getting where you're coming from.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 02:14:36 PM
So you want to apply the Buzz William's freshmen methodology to D. Wilson now?
I want D. wilson to earn the right to play defense by fixing his shot.
Quote from: AZWarrior on April 03, 2014, 02:15:57 PM
Buzz didn't develop DW's shooting ability. Obviously. So I'm not getting where you're coming from.
D. Wilson has never been a great shooter, nor will he ever be. You either have it or you don't. He just doesn't have it. He's meant to be a ball handler that can drive and play defense. That's about it.
I'm not sure where you have been the last several months, but Buzz didn't play the freshmen much because they didn't play defense. Tough love. How'd that work out? He had a virtual mutiny on his hands. D. Wilson is what he his.... very limited.
I'm not sure where this mantra of..... well, practice a shot and you'll get one comes from? That's not how it works at this stage of the game. You can improve shooting, slightly ..... but you can't get a shot at this age. Does that make sense?
Quote from: Ners on April 03, 2014, 09:58:09 AM
Generally speaking a guys can either shoot by the time he is 21 years old and been playing basketball his whole life, or he cannot. Generally a GUARD who shoots 45% from the FT line, is never going to evolve into a good perimeter/3 point shooter.
Vander was a good shooter in high school as a junior...somewhere lost confidence....yet I believe as a sophomore he shot close to 75% on FT's - which can foreshadow being a good shooter.
If Derrick can improve, and be a threat on offense - then he is worthy of some playing time...and should get a look at beginning of season. Yet, there is no way in hell Wojo keeps Duane and Dawson on the bench if Derrick were to get starting nod, and perform as he did last year.
You are correct, at this point if Derrick doesn't have a shot he won't get one. I would like to see him getting about 10 minutes a game. 5 in each half where he works hard on defense.
Quote from: MU82 on April 03, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
Who plays point guard is important no matter what the offense is. Yes, you need a good PG if you have a low-post offense. You also need a good PG if you have a drive-and-kick 3-point offense. Or any other offense. Unless you have a dominant 2 or a Pippen-type 3, your PG owns the ball, makes the decision and drives the attack, no matter what kind of attack you have.
I know Wojo is aware of this and, as I said in my OP, I am beyond merely curious about what he's going to do about it.
Agree that PG is obviously important regardless of offense, but vacinator's point is valid. Derrick's lack of production was particularly painful last year because our best scoring threat was always on the low block, making it easy for Derrick's man to double our main threat. When our threats can be varied and anywhere on the floor, it's harder for Derrick's man to ALWAYS be in good position to offer help, like he was this year. That doesn't mean that Derrick's lack of offense won't hurt, because it will, but just not as much. Derrick needs to improve either his shooting or his passing in traffic A LOT if he's not going to be a liability on offense.
Quote from: Texas Western on April 03, 2014, 02:33:46 PM
You are correct, at this point if Derrick doesn't have a shot he won't get one. I would like to see him getting about 10 minutes a game. 5 in each half where he works hard on defense.
A Point guard with a Shot can get you to the Final 4. (Napier, Harrison, Wilbilken etc)
A Point guard who doesn't require a defender can get you to 17-15........
We just gotta be honest with our selves, hes a good defender/huge offensive liability.
The program is not gonna take too many steps forward with players on the floor that cant score or create shots for themself or others. At this level, maybe at a D2 or D3 school. But D1 Athletes are just to good.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 02:24:27 PM
D. Wilson has never been a great shooter, nor will he ever be. You either have it or you don't. He just doesn't have it. He's meant to be a ball handler that can drive and play defense. That's about it.
I'm not sure where you have been the last several months, but Buzz didn't play the freshmen much because they didn't play defense. Tough love. How'd that work out? He had a virtual mutiny on his hands. D. Wilson is what he his.... very limited.
I'm not sure where this mantra of..... well, practice a shot and you'll get one comes from? That's not how it works at this stage of the game. You can improve shooting, slightly ..... but you can't get a shot at this age. Does that make sense?
False!
Great shooters are made not born. You ask most of the great shooters(Maravich, Bird, Curry, Novak :))
They will tell you they got that way from hours upon hours of hard work in the gym.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on April 03, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
False!
Great shooters are made not born. You ask most of the great shooters(Maravich, Bird, Curry, Novak :))
They will tell you they got that way from hours upon hours of hard work in the gym.
Yeah, and to get ahead of the curve you have to develop muscle memory when you're younger. That ship has long since, sailed with Wilson. I've read stories on Bird + Maravich and Kevin Durant. Those guys were already great shooters at age 21 and when they were younger than that. They were all gym rats when they were boys, practicing shooting, playing all the time. It takes 1000's of hours to develop a great shot. Studies show you need 10,000 hours to become proficient/expert at something. Wilson has run out of time. It's the same process with learning language. It's easier to learn as a child as your brain is much more flexible, which is why foreign language is taught at such a young age in schools. As you get older, it's more difficult to learn as the brain becomes more rigid.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 03:22:24 PM
Yeah, and to get ahead of the curve you have to develop muscle memory when you're younger. That ship has long since, sailed with Wilson. I've read stories on Bird + Maravich and Kevin Durant. Those guys were already great shooters at age 21 and when they were younger than that. They were all gym rats when they were boys, practicing shooting, playing all the time. It takes 1000's of hours to develop a great shot. Studies show you need 10,000 hours to become proficient/expert at something. Wilson has run out of time. It's the same process with learning language. It's easier to learn as a child as your brain is much more flexible, which is why foreign language is taught at such a young age in schools. As you get older, it's more difficult to learn as the brain becomes more rigid.
Explain Dwyane Wade. He was not a great college shooter.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
Explain Dwyane Wade. He was not a great college shooter.
What do you want me to say? ESPN has him ranked as one of the worst 3 pt shooters in the history of the NBA. He's never been a great shooter.
Jimmy butler and doc as well
Quote from: CoachesCorner on April 03, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
False!
Great shooters are made not born. You ask most of the great shooters(Maravich, Bird, Curry, Novak :))
They will tell you they got that way from hours upon hours of hard work in the gym.
That doesn't mean everybody can become a great shooter through hours upon hours of hard work in the gym. I'd guess that 98% of the population could work as hard as Novak has at shooting and not be as good as he is. Natural ability is also a large part of the equation.
Shaq worked very hard at FT shooting and still stunk (though he was much better than a certain unnamed PG).
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 03, 2014, 03:53:52 PM
That doesn't mean everybody can become a great shooter through hours upon hours of hard work in the gym. I'd guess that 98% of the population could work as hard as Novak has at shooting and not be as good as he is. Natural ability is also a large part of the equation.
Shaq worked very hard at FT shooting and still stunk (though he was much better than a certain unnamed PG).
Yes.... I didn't put genetics in my assessment on shooting. That plays a huge roll - hand/eye coordination. Look at Herschel Walker. That guy was born an athlete and could succeed at anything he wanted to, athletically. I read last year that he ran 4.39 40 yd dash at the ripe old age of 49.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 07:19:04 AM
That is fairly nonsensical. Plenty of players make it to the NBA without being great shooters, and then become excellent shooters. It is one of the easier basketball skills to learn with coaching. Additionally, Derrick is an extremely hard worker (and a military kid), so I don't follow your logic when you imply that he knew the starting job was his so he didn't have to work at it.
There's a world of difference between being "not a great shooter" and being a horrible shooter. Derrick is a horrible shooter and his shot will not get better. If a senior to be still cannot make free throws, there is no hope for his shooting touch.
That being said, I think he can prosper in a Duke style offense, and I expect him to start and player 20 minutes or so a game.
They should just put me in. I am an absolute sniper from behind the arc in rec center backetball.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 08:03:53 AM
Look, you don't have to be upset about it. Shooting takes time. I'm saying that you can't teach, speed or athleticism. You can certainly teach shooting. Look at how awful Vander Blue was his freshman and sophomore years. His points all came inside. By his Junior year, he was a serviceable shooter, and teams had to respect him. If Derrick spends his time shooting there is no reason to think that he can't improve.
Vander is not in the NBA because he is still a terrible shooter (relative to others at that level.
Quote from: brandx on April 03, 2014, 04:01:28 PM
There's a world of difference between being "not a great shooter" and being a horrible shooter. Derrick is a horrible shooter and his shot will not get better. If a senior to be still cannot make free throws, there is no hope for his shooting touch.
That being said, I think he can prosper in a Duke style offense, and I expect him to start and player 20 minutes or so a game.
How would you describe a Duke style offense? Does the PG have virtually no role? If not, I can't see any reason why Derrick would start/play 20 minutes/game.
Plenty of shooters improve after age 21. Is there a limit to how good each shooter can get? Of course. But derricks technique is horrible. U nor I have no idea how much time he puts into shooting vs lifting vs ballhandling. To suggest u for a fact know how far along Derrick let alone any shooter is within the laws of diminishing returns is lunacy. Based on his technique he either is not practicing much shooting or is practicing wrong. He has lots of room for improvement given the proper teaching.
Quote from: PistolPete on April 03, 2014, 04:09:14 PM
How would you describe a Duke style offense? Does the PG have virtually no role? If not, I can't see any reason why Derrick would start/play 20 minutes/game.
Shooters on the wings. Middle much more open than with Buzz' offense. Quick conversion from defense to offense. PG keeping the ball moving and driving the lane.
Wojo was effective averaging 5 pts. a game in that offense.
I would love to see Derrick as more of a situational guy getting 10 - 12 minutes a game. But he is a tough defender and the other two options have a total of less than 250 minutes of experience. I would like to see Duane playing 25+ minutes, but I haven't seen whether he has point skills necessary. He was a scoring point guard in HS.
Quote from: brandx on April 03, 2014, 04:25:41 PM
Shooters on the wings. Middle much more open than with Buzz' offense. Quick conversion from defense to offense. PG keeping the ball moving and driving the lane.
Wojo was effective averaging 5 pts. a game in that offense.
I would love to see Derrick as more of a situational guy getting 10 - 12 minutes a game. But he is a tough defender and the other two options have a total of less than 250 minutes of experience. I would like to see Duane playing 25+ minutes, but I haven't seen whether he has point skills necessary. He was a scoring point guard in HS.
Herein lies a major problem - Todd Mayo is, by far, our best returning perimeter shooter @ .333 (assume at least 25 attempts). While my expectations for Todd are high for his senior year, I regard Todd as a pure scorer but not as a shooter (especially by Duke standards).
I think Derrick will have
a role next year, but if he's logging 20 mpg, I don't predict a favorable outcome.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on April 03, 2014, 04:16:48 PM
Plenty of shooters improve after age 21. Is there a limit to how good each shooter can get? Of course. But derricks technique is horrible. U nor I have no idea how much time he puts into shooting vs lifting vs ballhandling. To suggest u for a fact know how far along Derrick let alone any shooter is within the laws of diminishing returns is lunacy. Based on his technique he either is not practicing much shooting or is practicing wrong. He has lots of room for improvement given the proper teaching.
I will go with that he cannot shoot. In fact, I believe that's the scouting report he had in high school. It is foolish optimism to think that if D. Wilson gets a shooting coach, that he'll become an outside threat this coming season.
I already said, he could improve and he probably will as that is typical progression. Nonetheless, he won't improve enough to the point that he becomes a solid mid range shooter. Best Case scenario: +2 pts a game. +3% increase in FG%.
I support Derrick.
On the bench. ;)
#FreeDawson
#FreeDuane
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 04:40:59 PM
I will go with that he cannot shoot. In fact, I believe that's the scouting report he had in high school. It is foolish optimism to think that if D. Wilson gets a shooting coach, that he'll become an outside threat this coming season.
I already said, he could improve and he probably will as that is typical progression. Nonetheless, he won't improve enough to the point that he becomes a solid mid range shooter. Best Case scenario: +2 pts a game. +3% increase in FG%.
Ummm
U in fact made statements to the fact shooters can't improve after a certain age. Not just Derrick. Nobody is expecting Derrick to become Steve Novak. Just maybe shoot a decent percent from the line.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on April 03, 2014, 04:44:29 PM
Ummm
U in fact made statements to the fact shooters can't improve after a certain age. Not just Derrick. Nobody is expecting Derrick to become Steve Novak. Just maybe shoot a decent percent from the line.
What statement implied was that after a certain age, you can improve.... very slightly. His improvement will be so slight, that it won't make much of a difference. The big difference will be in how Wojo uses him. Besides, we're not looking at the fact that D. Wilson HAD to shoot with the poor guards they had out there. The best thing that can happen is that D.Wilson gets someone he can pass to that can shoot. It's best he stay in his element, otherwise you become a less efficient team. He should be focusing on passing, driving, steals, and free throws the most.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 04:48:09 PM
What statement implied was that after a certain age, you can improve.... very slightly. His improvement will be so slight, that it won't make much of a difference. The big difference will be in how Wojo uses him. Besides, we're not looking at the fact that D. Wilson HAD to shoot with the poor guards they had out there. The best thing that can happen is that D.Wilson gets someone he can pass to that can shoot. It's best he stay in his element, otherwise you become a less efficient team. He should be focusing on passing, driving, steals, and free throws the most.
I think the number of reps done properly has more to do with it vs the persons age. What if they never touched a basketball till the age 20?
anyway...
As far as Derrick I dont actually disagree. I dont think his shooting will improve much if at all. There are some pretty bad flaws in his technique at it would require about 20k supervised repetitions in the off season to fix it. The difference I guess is, that I think it COULD be accomplished.
IMO for this team to succeed Derrick will need take on a role of more like 15 to 20 situational minutes.
Its all good though. Just take off those glasses man!
Quote from: CoachesCorner on April 03, 2014, 04:44:29 PM
Ummm
U in fact made statements to the fact shooters can't improve after a certain age. Not just Derrick. Nobody is expecting Derrick to become Steve Novak. Just maybe shoot a decent percent from the line.
I think DW can improve from the line - maybe even to 60% - which will make him a horrible FT shooter.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 03, 2014, 04:41:25 PM
I support Derrick.
On the bench. ;)
#FreeDawson
#FreeDuane
+10000000000
We've seen this movie 3 years in a row. Time for a new film starring different actors.
42% from the line is abysmal.... You cant rely on that pctg to hit anything when it counts or even in general.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 03:47:08 PM
What do you want me to say? ESPN has him ranked as one of the worst 3 pt shooters in the history of the NBA. He's never been a great shooter.
I guess the fact that he is shooting 55% from the floor this year means nothing.
Screw numbers though.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 03, 2014, 06:32:45 PM
I guess the fact that he is shooting 55% from the floor this year means nothing.
Screw numbers though.
Very good mid-range shooter - terrible 3-point shooter.
Derrick has trouble driving and dishing. He is a poor finisher around the rim. He can't make a 10-footer, 15-footer, 3-pointer or free throw. We have seen proof of this for 3 freakin' years. In fact, one could make a decent statistical argument that, despite getting 30mpg, he actually got worse! There couldn't have been a worse offensive PG (especially a 30mpg one) in all of D1. Maybe not in the last decade of D1.
If you read my posts, you'll see that I am generally an optimistic, reasonable guy. Given what he has shown us over the course of 3 years, I cannot imagine Derrick suddenly becoming even a Cadougan-level offensive threat.
And shouldn't Junior Level be the absolute floor for an acceptable PG of a team that hopes to contend for anything?
This thread is like the twilight zone. :P