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Title: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: MU Beaver on March 30, 2014, 08:42:26 PM
Hello MUSCOOP. I have been reading this board for years and after the debacle that last week brought us, #donedeal, I felt it was time to make my first post and break my silence.  Like many on this board I have a few inside sources but ultimately like everyone on hear I want the same thing. A coach that will get us to the next level!! 
But I think it is time to bury the BUZZ Hatchet. Bitching about him makes no sense people. I think this website has become delusional and it began long before Buzz left town. The guy takes us to sweet 16 sweet 16 and elite 8 and then all of a sudden he can't coach? This board has been bashing him all damn year, almost as bad as Cuanzo was getting bashed at TN and he has a poor resume vs buzz. Has anyone on hear even considered the fact that our job still being  open could be due to the fact that Buzz is actually EXTREMELY well respected by his peers throughout the country and many coaches are like
"What the heck is wrong at Marquette to make Buzz want to leave". He coached with Team USA last year, Shaka didn't. He is asked by some of the top coaches in the country to come and work their camps. The fact Duane got hurt was a huge blow. The other freshman, when they actually scored, just couldn't defend. Pretty basic math people if your opponent is scoring every possession and your not you will not win.  Also the Junior College rule that was implemented by AD Williams and Pilarz really dealt us a bad hand this year. Why do you all think Jake and Juan were gone and then they were back?? Buzz had some juco's lined up and the admin wouldn't allow Buzz to bring them in. This was his first team without a Juco but nobody mentioned that. Look at where his other juco's are now... THE NBA!! DJO, Buycks, Crowder I mean we could have had 1 if not two and Buzz was told no. That is when the friction started. So my last point is Buzz was a stud when he was here. He had a bad year, partially because the admin handcuffed him, partially because his seniors didn't play to their potential and partially because he didn't play Burton more, and it didn't help that his starting point guard redshirted.  Kentucky had 4 lottery picks and didn't make the NCAA and got beat in round 1 of the NIT last year and are in the Final Four  this year. Unfortunately for ALL of us it was time for Buzz to move on. For all you Buzz haters on this site realize he will have Virginia Tech back in the Sweet 16 before our new coach will!!
So I have vented let's look to the future. Instead of talking specific coaches I think we should investigate different styles of basketball that fit the athletes we have and the one's that are coming. Myself personally I would love to see an up tempo pressing style coach come in here. I think we have the athletes to do it and creating turnovers will help us overcome a potentially un potent offense.  We all know what Marquette spends in recruiting so I think whomever gets the job will continue to bring in the athletes or they will hire someone who specializes in that. 
I have rambled enough. Thoughts on a good available coach that likes to press???
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Blackhat on March 30, 2014, 08:45:25 PM
Love Buzz and what he did for us....

Hell I'll give Crean props.

Leave the jilted lover crap to the panty droppers.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: melissasmooth on March 30, 2014, 08:45:42 PM
Yeah if we can bury the hatchet in the middle of Brent's Deliverance-like Inbred Curly unnatural carnal knowledge face.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 30, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
Slurper!
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Eldon on March 30, 2014, 08:46:53 PM
D. J.
N. E. W. B. I. L. L.

Character (finally) Revealed.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: WadeATKBurton on March 30, 2014, 08:47:01 PM
Well said. Respect
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: chapman on March 30, 2014, 08:49:28 PM
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Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: NotBuzzWilliams on March 30, 2014, 08:50:37 PM
One nitpick, we did have a JUCO player this year.  He transferred before any games started
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 30, 2014, 08:52:27 PM
Quote from: Eldon on March 30, 2014, 08:46:53 PM
D. J.
N. E. W. B. I. L. L.

Character (finally) Revealed.

Revealed long ago, just took some folks a few years to catch on
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 30, 2014, 08:53:08 PM
Quote from: NotBuzzWilliams on March 30, 2014, 08:50:37 PM
One nitpick, we did have a JUCO player this year.  He transferred before any games started

I wonder why.....
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: MU Beaver on March 30, 2014, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: NotBuzzWilliams on March 30, 2014, 08:50:37 PM
One nitpick, we did have a JUCO player this year.  He transferred before any games started

He was signed before this rule was in place. You will notice the impact on the rule when "Insert New Coach" has to try and fill out next year's team after we lose our currently committed recruits.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Warhawk Warrior on March 30, 2014, 08:54:23 PM
Brent didn't leave without a push.  There is another side to this story.

Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Groin_pull on March 30, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 30, 2014, 08:52:27 PM
Revealed long ago, just took some folks a few years to catch on

Agree.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: T.V. Diener 34 on March 30, 2014, 08:58:24 PM
Quote from: Warhawk Warrior on March 30, 2014, 08:54:23 PM
Brent didn't leave without a push.  There is another side to this story.



There's at least 2 sides to this story and they're crazy... see I can do it too.... unless you feel like sharing, what's the point of even sayin it?
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 30, 2014, 09:00:03 PM
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 30, 2014, 08:47:10 PM
Melissa what has your smelly cun.t ever done for MU?

Two S16 and one Elite eight, success MU has not seen since McGuire.  Get some perspective.

The heck is wrong with you? Show some respect to a fellow marquette student.  Were you raised by the trashiest people alive that taught you it was ok to speak to women like that? Christ almighty I hope you get banned and take a deep look inside
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Warhawk Warrior on March 30, 2014, 09:00:08 PM
Even a superstar employee needs to conform to prudent corporate guidelines or be asked to leave.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 30, 2014, 09:05:19 PM
Quote from: PunchingPiper on March 30, 2014, 09:00:03 PM
The heck is wrong with you? Show some respect to a fellow marquette student.  Were you raised by the trashiest people alive that taught you it was ok to speak to women like that? Christ almighty I hope you get banned and take a deep look inside

+1
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: NavinRJohnson on March 30, 2014, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: chapman on March 30, 2014, 08:49:28 PM
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Holy crap, did this make me laugh.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: keefe on March 30, 2014, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 30, 2014, 08:45:25 PM
the panty droppers.

Chico's Bail Bonds?

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Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: ronald dragon on March 30, 2014, 09:11:34 PM
I'll always respect Buzz for elevating the program.  I just want to see him fall flat on his face now that he left our program.

Is it mean spirited?  Sure,  but i want anyone who leaves our program to regret it
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: 77ncaachamps on March 30, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: weareMU13 on March 30, 2014, 09:11:34 PM
I'll always respect Buzz for elevating the program.  I just want to see him fall flat on his face now that he left our program.

Is it mean spirited?  Sure,  but i want anyone who leaves our program to regret it

Yep. Sign me up for jilted lover status! lol
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Blackhat on March 30, 2014, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: PunchingPiper on March 30, 2014, 09:00:03 PM
The heck is wrong with you? Show some respect to a fellow marquette student.  Were you raised by the trashiest people alive that taught you it was ok to speak to women like that? Christ almighty I hope you get banned and take a deep look inside

Oh sorry, I meant as long as I can bury a hatchet in Melissa's face I'll show her some respect.

Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: real chili 83 on March 30, 2014, 09:22:35 PM


Stone, what the eff is wrong with you?  This is way out of bounds.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: SoCalwarrior on March 30, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 30, 2014, 09:21:48 PM
Oh sorry, I meant as long as I can bury a hatchet in Melissa's face I'll show her some respect.



Take a break Stone. Prove to us that your 13 year old brother doesn't have control of your account and we'll let you back in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: keefe on March 30, 2014, 09:37:47 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 30, 2014, 09:22:35 PM
Stone, what the eff is wrong with you?  This is way out of bounds.

chili

I showed up after the mods nuked that post. Please delete the quote from your post as it should simply go away. Melissa's good in my book; that was way over the top, even for a sworn enemy.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 30, 2014, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: keefe on March 30, 2014, 09:37:47 PM
chili

I showed up after the mods nuked that post. Please delete the quote from your post as it should simply go away. Melissa's good in my book; that was way over the top, even for a sworn enemy.


Yeah, sorry you had to read that stuff, smoothie.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: EnderWiggen on March 30, 2014, 09:51:51 PM
Quote from: MU Beaver on March 30, 2014, 08:42:26 PM
Hello MUSCOOP. I have been reading this board for years and after the debacle that last week brought us, #donedeal, I felt it was time to make my first post and break my silence.  Like many on this board I have a few inside sources but ultimately like everyone on hear I want the same thing. A coach that will get us to the next level!!  
But I think it is time to bury the BUZZ Hatchet. Bitching about him makes no sense people. I think this website has become delusional and it began long before Buzz left town. The guy takes us to sweet 16 sweet 16 and elite 8 and then all of a sudden he can't coach? This board has been bashing him all damn year, almost as bad as Cuanzo was getting bashed at TN and he has a poor resume vs buzz. Has anyone on hear even considered the fact that our job still being  open could be due to the fact that Buzz is actually EXTREMELY well respected by his peers throughout the country and many coaches are like
"What the heck is wrong at Marquette to make Buzz want to leave". He coached with Team USA last year, Shaka didn't. He is asked by some of the top coaches in the country to come and work their camps. The fact Duane got hurt was a huge blow. The other freshman, when they actually scored, just couldn't defend. Pretty basic math people if your opponent is scoring every possession and your not you will not win.  Also the Junior College rule that was implemented by AD Williams and Pilarz really dealt us a bad hand this year. Why do you all think Jake and Juan were gone and then they were back?? Buzz had some juco's lined up and the admin wouldn't allow Buzz to bring them in. This was his first team without a Juco but nobody mentioned that. Look at where his other juco's are now... THE NBA!! DJO, Buycks, Crowder I mean we could have had 1 if not two and Buzz was told no. That is when the friction started. So my last point is Buzz was a stud when he was here. He had a bad year, partially because the admin handcuffed him, partially because his seniors didn't play to their potential and partially because he didn't play Burton more, and it didn't help that his starting point guard redshirted.  Kentucky had 4 lottery picks and didn't make the NCAA and got beat in round 1 of the NIT last year and are in the Final Four  this year. Unfortunately for ALL of us it was time for Buzz to move on. For all you Buzz haters on this site realize he will have Virginia Tech back in the Sweet 16 before our new coach will!!
So I have vented let's look to the future. Instead of talking specific coaches I think we should investigate different styles of basketball that fit the athletes we have and the one's that are coming. Myself personally I would love to see an up tempo pressing style coach come in here. I think we have the athletes to do it and creating turnovers will help us overcome a potentially un potent offense.  We all know what Marquette spends in recruiting so I think whomever gets the job will continue to bring in the athletes or they will hire someone who specializes in that.  

This x1000.  

Honestly, the man did a ton to make our program great.  It was our best run since the 70s* and he brought a ton of positive attention to our program.  Yes, i am sure that there were things that weren't great and i'm sure we will hear all about them in the next few weeks (assuming those with inside knowledge know what they are talking about**). I also understand questioning his character after he said he would stay as long as we would have him, but a) who knows if he wasn't pushed out and b) did we honestly expect him to stay anyway?  ALL coaches say that kinda stuff and they all rotate schools. He represented our program very well for six years and it's time to move on.

Oh, and slurp slurp slurp.

* I would consider two 16s and an 8 better than one Final Four, but that's debatable.
** And that's a big "if" (see, "It's Happening)
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: real chili 83 on March 30, 2014, 09:55:16 PM
Done.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Jay Bee on March 30, 2014, 10:02:11 PM
Quote from: MU Beaver on March 30, 2014, 08:42:26 PM
But I think it is time to bury the BUZZ Hatchet. Bitching about him makes no sense people.For all you Buzz haters on this site realize he will have Virginia Tech back in the Sweet 16 before our new coach will!!
....
I have rambled enough.

Indeed, that was a ramble. "wah, wah, stop saying negative things about BUzz u haterz. VA tech is now better going fwd than mu is! nah nah nah"

C'mon dude. Don't come with, "let's stop talking about Buzz" and then throw out crap like, "realize VA Tech will be in the S16 before MU."

Childish hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on March 30, 2014, 10:08:28 PM
wow.  just read that thread; thanks for banning, mods--either of those posts called for it.  and they should not be deleted.  everyone should see what he stands for.

As for the OP, I agree with it generally, including that it was time to move on for Buzz and MU.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Eldon on March 30, 2014, 10:32:14 PM
Thanks for the memories.  Brent is a good coach, a good recruiter, great motivator, and he generally gave us some good press (people outside MU loved the dancing, the sweatiness, the raspy voice, etc.)

That said, I don't think that I will ever be able to bury the hatchet.  I really really dislike phony people, and he's as phony as they come.  Accordingly, I will relish the schadenfreude and continue to troll him on here until he golly-jee-whilickers his way into oblivion.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: keefe on March 30, 2014, 11:15:29 PM
Quote from: mr.MUskie on March 30, 2014, 09:40:57 PM

Yeah, sorry you had to read that stuff, smoothie.

I am as crusty as the next fighter pilot but women and the c word don't mix.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: melissasmooth on March 30, 2014, 11:49:03 PM
Quote from: keefe on March 30, 2014, 11:15:29 PM
I am as crusty as the next fighter pilot but women and the c word don't mix.

Thanks guys
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 30, 2014, 11:51:19 PM
Quote from: Eldon on March 30, 2014, 10:32:14 PM
Thanks for the memories.  Brent is a good coach, a good recruiter, great motivator, and he generally gave us some good press (people outside MU loved the dancing, the sweatiness, the raspy voice, etc.)

That said, I don't think that I will ever be able to bury the hatchet.  I really really dislike phony people, and he's as phony as they come.  Accordingly, I will relish the schadenfreude and continue to troll him on here until he golly-jee-whilickers his way into oblivion.

Things get tough for the Buzzoward and he bolts.  UNO, MU.  He bolts for something safe, like a program that has 2 NCAA appearances in 30 years.

More will come out.  He's a good coach, did a good job here but his schtick was always that, a schtick and nothing more.  More will come out.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2014, 12:20:24 AM
Quote from: SoCalwarrior on March 30, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Take a break Stone. Prove to us that your 13 year old brother doesn't have control of your account and we'll let you back in a couple of weeks.

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Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2014, 12:22:49 AM
This thread elevated quickly.

Melissa, I don't agree with most of what you say, but my apologies for what transpired. That type of language should never be used.

OP, +1. I agree it is time to move on. Thank Buzz for his service and move on. However, we will be in the Sweet 16 long before the Hokies are.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 31, 2014, 12:24:46 AM
Quote from: keefe on March 30, 2014, 11:15:29 PM
I am as crusty as the next fighter pilot but women and the c word don't mix.

Keefe, after seeing your Crusader patch about 1 billion times over the last week, I was going to ask you how a person would go about getting one. Figured you had to be a military insider. Turns out patches and stickers are available on eBay.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: keefe on March 31, 2014, 01:39:06 AM
Quote from: mr.MUskie on March 31, 2014, 12:24:46 AM
Keefe, after seeing your Crusader patch about 1 billion times over the last week, I was going to ask you how a person would go about getting one. Figured you had to be a military insider. Turns out patches and stickers are available on eBay.

I got mine at the Haji Mart on base at J Bad. Pretty ubiquitous in the Sandbox. Let me know if you have trouble getting one. Some of my AFSOC bros could probably get one next trip over to A Stan.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 31, 2014, 11:40:10 AM
Stone, whachu smokin'? Get real.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2014, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: SoCalwarrior on March 30, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Take a break Stone. Prove to us that your 13 year old brother doesn't have control of your account and we'll let you back in a couple of weeks.

And yet, Melissasmooth gets a pass....
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: keefe on March 31, 2014, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 12:10:17 PM
And yet, Melissasmooth gets a pass....

Let he who is without sin cast the first sh1t bomb

Everyone here is a chucklehead but the c word just ain't right
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2014, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: keefe on March 31, 2014, 12:13:55 PM
Let he who is without sin cast the first sh1t bomb

Everyone here is a chucklehead but the c word just ain't right

Absolutely.

Neither is being the first to suggest that someone gets a hatchet buried in their face.

I just found it strange that StoneCold was banned after his second post which was milder than the post from smooth that he was responding to.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: real chili 83 on March 31, 2014, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 12:10:17 PM
And yet, Melissasmooth gets a pass....

Murs,

Stone was waaaaaaay out of bounds with his comments last night?  If you didn't see them, then I can understand your question.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2014, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 31, 2014, 12:18:45 PM
Murs,

Stone was waaaaaaay out of bounds with his comments last night?  If you didn't see them, then I can understand your question.

I'm not arguing against StoneCold's ban, I'm just raising the possibility arguing that he wasn't the only one out of bounds.  He used horribly offensive language.  But it was a bad word, as opposed to extremely violent imagery which I consider worse.  And he was provoked to make his out of bounds profanity by the use of such violent imagery by the original poster.  Again, no justification for StoneCold, I'm just wondering why the instigator is not being treated equally.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 31, 2014, 12:36:59 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 12:29:33 PM
I'm not arguing against StoneCold's ban, I'm just raising the possibility that he wasn't the only one out of bounds.  He used horribly offensive language.  But it was a bad word, as opposed to extremely violent imagery which I consider worse.  And he was provoked to make his out of bounds profanity by the use of such violent imagery by the original poster.  Again, no justification for StoneCold, I'm just wondering why the instigator is not being treated equally.

It was a bad word? It's a sexist demeaning personal insult to someone and as a guy you don't get an opinion on what is worse between the C word or violent imagery that's the way the world works.  He wasn't provoked in any way to attack her, notice he was quoting my response, nor did she attack him to provoke him.  He was clearly trying to attack melissa no matter what.  It certainly sounds like you're trying to make a justification for StoneCold.  

On the other side I agree the violent imagery was over the line and she should get a warning but the way you're going about with your point is making you sound like you're defending StoneCold's use of a sexist demeaning term and saying that because he was banned for the violent direct threat at someone Melissa should be too despite hers not being a direct threat at anyone who would be reading this. 
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: real chili 83 on March 31, 2014, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 12:29:33 PM
I'm not arguing against StoneCold's ban, I'm just raising the possibility that he wasn't the only one out of bounds.  He used horribly offensive language.  But it was a bad word, as opposed to extremely violent imagery which I consider worse.  And he was provoked to make his out of bounds profanity by the use of such violent imagery by the original poster.  Again, no justification for StoneCold, I'm just wondering why the instigator is not being treated equally.

I hear you.  Smooth, and not the OP, did use a rather odd metaphor in one of her posts. 

The mods use a light touch with how they moderate.  Williams is a public figure.  Her comment was strong, but not a personal attack.  Spose that's the difference.  Probably what the ignore button is for too.

Stone was out of bounds.  Seems out of character for him, from what I've seen.  Maybe not.  Feel free to correct me if wrong about Stone.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2014, 01:06:01 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 31, 2014, 12:40:17 PM
I hear you.  Smooth, and not the OP, did use a rather odd metaphor in one of her posts.  

The mods use a light touch with how they moderate.  Williams is a public figure.  Her comment was strong, but not a personal attack.  Spose that's the difference.  Probably what the ignore button is for too.

Stone was out of bounds.  Seems out of character for him, from what I've seen.  Maybe not.  Feel free to correct me if wrong about Stone.

We have no disagreement about StoneCold, his ban was well earned.  Buzz is a public figure and not present on this board, so you have a valid point that Mellissasmooth was not making a personal attack on another poster which is what StoneCold did do.  Still, for me,

"Yeah if we can bury the hatchet in the middle of Brent's Deliverance-like Inbred Curly unnatural carnal knowledge face."

is also out-of-bounds and likely calculated to get any number of scoopers upset.  StoneCold's upset was understandable, his response was totally inappropriate and only escalated the situation.  We all (probably) know what word gets translated as "unnatural carnal knowledge" by the board's software.  When it comes to use of the "c" word, I'm as milquetoast as they come.  I'm sure that like the male undergraduates at Marquette, Melissa would find me to be a kitten.  The "c" word is no word to use around ladies.  I also think that Melissasmooth has no legitimate claim to the lady title, or even any desire to make such a claim.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2014, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: PunchingPiper on March 31, 2014, 12:36:59 PM
It was a bad word? It's a sexist demeaning personal insult to someone and as a guy you don't get an opinion on what is worse between the C word or violent imagery that's the way the world works.  He wasn't provoked in any way to attack her, notice he was quoting my response, nor did she attack him to provoke him.  He was clearly trying to attack melissa no matter what.  It certainly sounds like you're trying to make a justification for StoneCold.  

On the other side I agree the violent imagery was over the line and she should get a warning but the way you're going about with your point is making you sound like you're defending StoneCold's use of a sexist demeaning term and saying that because he was banned for the violent direct threat at someone Melissa should be too despite hers not being a direct threat at anyone who would be reading this.  

"as a guy you don't get an opinion on what is worse between the C word or violent imagery"

This is where we disagree, I think that I do.

If it seems that I'm defending StoneCold it's probably because I reacted, much like I suppose he did.  I chose not to respond in a patently offensive way which is why I support his ban as justified.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 31, 2014, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 01:15:08 PM
"as a guy you don't get an opinion on what is worse between the C word or violent imagery"

This is where we disagree, I think that I do.

Will you ever know what it's like to get called that by a guy in a patriarchal society, in all seriousness? Unless you're thinking of spending loads of money on a sex change it's not likely. Thus as guys we won't ever know the full extent of the effect that has as an insult.  Maybe you might have an opinion but it's always going to be from a male perspective which will never be fully informed about how it feels, closest we could come to understanding would be seeing a daughter, sister, mother, wife get called it. 
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on March 31, 2014, 01:30:37 PM
After reading SC's reply last night, I had to step away from SCOOP. Not only was that despicable but it was demeaning for this site and by association for the University from which MOST of us matriculated. I enjoy debate as much as the next Alum but personal, crude attacks are used by someone who has no more arguments in his/her arsenal. Thanks to the rest of you for enlightening me while keeping it on a civilized level.( although I do enjoy the Israeli WarriorChicks)
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 31, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
Shaven Melissa is feisty and a drinker.  I like that.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2014, 01:42:48 PM
Quote from: PunchingPiper on March 31, 2014, 01:23:37 PM
Will you ever know what it's like to get called that by a guy in a patriarchal society, in all seriousness? Unless you're thinking of spending loads of money on a sex change it's not likely. Thus as guys we won't ever know the full extent of the effect that has as an insult.  Maybe you might have an opinion but it's always going to be from a male perspective which will never be fully informed about how it feels, closest we could come to understanding would be seeing a daughter, sister, mother, wife get called it. 

In the interest of fairness, it should be pointed out that the "c" word was not used alone but was modified with smelly which in my mind was intended to and indeed ratcheted up the offensiveness of the term.

We are in the same boat regarding knowing what its like to be female in a patriarchal society.  We're both relying on our interactions with those women we are close with (and maybe some scholarly sources) to try to comprehend what the impact of the word is.  I have had the experience of knowing women who were victims of domestic violence, and in one case one to whom the possibility of a hatchet to the face was not remote.  To someone who has met with actual violence a demeaning term is little compared with any verbal description of violence against another human being.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2014, 01:57:12 PM
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 31, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
Shaven Melissa is feisty and a drinker.  I like that.

She's never bland, that's for sure.  She's passionate and not afraid to express herself umm, creatively.  Her posts can certainly shake things up.  The hatchet thingy shook up this kitten a little too much.  Oh well, onwards and (hopefully) upwards.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 31, 2014, 02:00:37 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 01:57:12 PM
She's never bland, that's for sure.  She's passionate and not afraid to express herself umm, creatively.  Her posts can certainly shake things up.  The hatchet thingy shook up this kitten a little too much.  Oh well, onwards and (hopefully) upwards.

With Shaven Melissa, it's always upwards.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: keefe on March 31, 2014, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 01:42:48 PM
To someone who has met with actual violence a demeaning term is little compared with any verbal description of violence against another human being.

Well, speaking as one who has suffered extreme physical violence I still think that hurling the c word at a woman is uncalled for in every instance. On days like today, with rain in the air, I can feel those little bits of metal inside me but what was said about Melissa triggered a far more visceral reaction than any memory of combat. Some things are just not said or done.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2014, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: keefe on March 31, 2014, 02:04:51 PM
Well, speaking as one who has suffered extreme physical violence I still think that hurling the c word at a woman is uncalled for in every instance. On days like today, with rain in the air, I can feel those little bits of metal inside me but what was said about Melissa triggered a far more visceral reaction than any memory of combat. Some things are just not said or done.

You have experience, that -thank, God-I never expect to have.  Thanks for the added perspective.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Coleman on March 31, 2014, 02:49:40 PM
Just read this thread.

WTF

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Time to leave Scoop for a while
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: brandx on March 31, 2014, 05:09:57 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 01:06:01 PM
We have no disagreement about StoneCold, his ban was well earned.  Buzz is a public figure and not present on this board, so you have a valid point that Mellissasmooth was not making a personal attack on another poster which is what StoneCold did do.  Still, for me,

"Yeah if we can bury the hatchet in the middle of Brent's Deliverance-like Inbred Curly unnatural carnal knowledge face."

is also out-of-bounds and likely calculated to get any number of scoopers upset.  StoneCold's upset was understandable, his response was totally inappropriate and only escalated the situation.  We all (probably) know what word gets translated as "unnatural carnal knowledge" by the board's software.  When it comes to use of the "c" word, I'm as milquetoast as they come.  I'm sure that like the male undergraduates at Marquette, Melissa would find me to be a kitten.  The "c" word is no word to use around ladies.  I also think that Melissasmooth has no legitimate claim to the lady title, or even any desire to make such a claim.

Pretty much agree, but I think if you gave her an ax, and put her in a room with Buzz, nothing would happen; his comment was much more literal and meant to try to hurt on a personal level.

And as someone else said, I hate to defend her, cuz I've seen very few of her posts I would agree with.

Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: jsglow on March 31, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Gentlemen, gentlemen.  As far as I can tell there are exactly two ladies on this board.  One is my wife of 26 years and the other is roughly my daughter's age.  Both are seemingly tough minded women who can stand up for themselves and enjoy partaking in the banter, even when the occasional innuendo is harmlessly thrown in.  But let's understand there's a limit.  I for one hope Stone's ban is permanent.  Totally uncalled for.  Thanks for letting me chime in.

Now let's argue some more about Derrick at PG.  Okay, I feel better.   
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Jay Bee on March 31, 2014, 09:21:45 PM
80% chance merissa is some dude masquerading as a chick on Scoop. How could we tell from our computer screens? Hell, most people can't tell if ZFB is a guy or gal when they meet it in person.

I'll be on campus briefly in two weeks - merissa, meet me in the union to verify your existence.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: real chili 83 on March 31, 2014, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 31, 2014, 09:21:45 PM
80% chance merissa is some dude masquerading as a chick on Scoop. How could we tell from our computer screens? Hell, most people can't tell if ZFB is a guy or gal when they meet it in person.

I'll be on campus briefly in two weeks - merissa, meet me in the union to verify your existence.

I will be there too. I will keep an eye on JB. 
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: 🏀 on March 31, 2014, 10:04:27 PM
Women also hate the word moist.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: muhoops1 on March 31, 2014, 10:25:08 PM
Wait.  I hate that word too.  And scrumptious.  And any Carl's Jr/Hardee's Ad.  I hate the sound of eating amplified.  Have never gone and never will due to those freakin commercials.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: muhoosier260 on March 31, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 01:06:01 PM
We have no disagreement about StoneCold, his ban was well earned.  Buzz is a public figure and not present on this board, so you have a valid point that Mellissasmooth was not making a personal attack on another poster which is what StoneCold did do.  Still, for me,

"Yeah if we can bury the hatchet in the middle of Brent's Deliverance-like Inbred Curly unnatural carnal knowledge face."

is also out-of-bounds and likely calculated to get any number of scoopers upset.  StoneCold's upset was understandable, his response was totally inappropriate and only escalated the situation.  We all (probably) know what word gets translated as "unnatural carnal knowledge" by the board's software.  When it comes to use of the "c" word, I'm as milquetoast as they come.  I'm sure that like the male undergraduates at Marquette, Melissa would find me to be a kitten.  The "c" word is no word to use around ladies.  I also think that Melissasmooth has no legitimate claim to the lady title, or even any desire to make such a claim.

Pretty good summary. To me, it sounds like a student (right?) pissed off Stone with what Stone thought was an undue entitled opinion, Stone reacted.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 31, 2014, 10:32:59 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 31, 2014, 09:21:45 PM
80% chance merissa is some dude masquerading as a chick on Scoop. How could we tell from our computer screens? Hell, most people can't tell if ZFB is a guy or gal when they meet it in person.

I'll be on campus briefly in two weeks - merissa, meet me in the union to verify your existence.

The Smooth One's name is Melissa, not Merissa. They hate when you call them by the wrong name, especially in the morning.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: keefe on March 31, 2014, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 31, 2014, 09:21:45 PM
80% chance merissa is some dude masquerading as a chick on Scoop. How could we tell from our computer screens? Hell, most people can't tell if ZFB is a guy or gal when they meet it in person.

I'll be on campus briefly in two weeks - merissa, meet me in the union to verify your existence.

Some photos would be nice. She also substantiate the smoothness claim.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: real chili 83 on March 31, 2014, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: muhoosier260 on March 31, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
Pretty good summary. To me, it sounds like a student (right?) pissed off Stone with what Stone thought was an undue entitled opinion, Stone reacted.

Nope, Stone was out of bounds.  Period.
Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 31, 2014, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 31, 2014, 10:34:45 PM
Nope, Stone was out of bounds.  Period.

He was so far over the line

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Title: Re: Time To Bury The Hatchet MUSCOOP
Post by: keefe on March 31, 2014, 10:55:42 PM
Quote from: mr.MUskie on March 31, 2014, 10:32:59 PM
The Smooth One's name is Melissa, not Merissa.

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