Martin will get the job IMO and will happen quickly.
Can he bring Stokes with him?
well then.
So that's why he didn't make adjustments in the first half.
Any inside info on this, or just a gut feeling?
My immediate reaction was negative but I've come around on him.
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That would be a suck hire
Quote from: Eldon on March 28, 2014, 09:46:27 PM
So that's why he didn't make adjustments in the first half.
Please don't get the thousand posts a day guy going. He is all over the place, been staying away from this in light of it.
Alum
Solid inside info. That said, this idiot was on Shaka 24 hours ago. Believe this happening big time because I think they want to move forward.
i'm okay with this. i was all about howland, but there are obviously concerns, and i respect cords and co. enough. had no use for martin when his name was first mentioned, and what they just accomplished means a little to me, but after reading into his history, looking at the ken pom numbers, and seeing what he's accomplished in an ugly situation with the pearl issues i'm pretty impressed. seems like a class act...just make sure we have a large buy-out so he's not looking to go back to purdue if painter continues to have a rough time of it.
I'm happier about this hire tonight than I would've been yesterday.
Take Howland.
IMO it is short changing the program. Not a horrible hire but not what could have been.
nezz21〽 @nezzy21 49m
Did Cuonzo Martin accept the Marquette job yet?
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Tom Abatemarco @abatemarco_tom 1h
Cuonzo Martin might get Marquette! The Vols are out Cuonzocould be to
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Ben Braden @Ben__Braden 1h
So close Tennessee. But anyway, Cuonzo Martin soon to be former Tenn coach, new Marquette coach???
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Jim Taylor @justanotherbkr 1h
For a split second there I thought Cuonzo Martin was going to be an Elite Eight coach. Onto that interview with Marquette.
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Rubie Q @Rubie_Q 2h
Why is it, exactly, that we think Cuonzo Martin would consider Marquette?
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Joe McCann @JoeMcCann3 Mar 27
Regarding Marquette's "mystery candidate" in Sweet 16, I suppose only ones that make sense are Cuonzo Martin and Archie Miller, right?
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Michael Nelson @mike_e_nelson Mar 26
#mubb MT @JasonKingBR Not saying he's the No. 1 guy, but don't be surprised if Cuonzo Martin's name surfaces in the Marquette search.
He is the mystery guy. Not my mystery guy, but is the guy.
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2014, 09:52:47 PM
IMO it is short changing the program. Not a horrible hire but not what could have been.
Time will tell!
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2014, 09:52:47 PM
IMO it is short changing the program. Not a horrible hire but not what could have been.
What could have been, though? Shaka couldn't have been (his choice). After Howland, aren't they all about the same (asks the guy who wants them to hire Howland)?
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2014, 09:55:10 PM
He is the mystery guy. Not my mystery guy, but is the guy.
Your mystery guy was Bennet Goose?
Is this the impact hire we've been waiting for???
Bennett had interest, Martin was guy chasing.
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2014, 09:56:49 PM
Bennett had interest, Martin was guy chasing.
They at least have to feel out Bennet no? No reason not to
Vegas
For my buck not an impact hire. Not a strikeout and not a score. My hopes were higher than us and I was led to believe school had similar expectations.
You would hope the events of this week would of taught us a thing or two about self-proclaimed insiders.
So it went from MU fighting tooth and nail for a someone they desperately wanted to "let's get this over with and we'll take this guy, I guess."
If Bennett was interested why didn't they wait to talk to him?
Cords is dead to me
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2014, 09:45:09 PM
Martin will get the job IMO and will happen quickly.
disappointing if true. Not an impact hire by a long shot.
Quote from: mechaghidorah on March 28, 2014, 10:00:16 PM
So it went from MU fighting tooth and nail for a someone they desperately wanted to "let's get this over with and we'll take this guy, I guess."
Kinda what I was thinking. "We wasted a week jerking off Shaka Smart, so,we better hire the next guy that walks through the door." Don't think that's necessarily what Goose meant...more likely, they had Smart and Cuonzo 1 and 2. 1's out of the picture, so let's get the next guy.
I absolutely would LOVE this hire...Cuonzo Martin C'MON DOWN!
Pakuni
Say what you want about so called insiders. For me I hope anyone that has any info shares it with people that are interested. For my part this week I have no regrets. I posted things what I trusted as honest and still do.
Someday I hope you or someone else posts what you believe to be real solid info. Trust me I would not bash you in incorrect.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on March 28, 2014, 10:01:13 PM
If Bennett was interested why didn't they wait to talk to him?
This was nothing more than message board speculation
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on March 28, 2014, 09:56:36 PM
Is this the impact hire we've been waiting for???
Yes, the positive vibes you're seeing are either our usual low expectation fanbase deluding themselves, maybe combined with enlisted trolls to spread goodwill to make it look like this isn't a pathetic hire and gramps didn't completely botch it. Hopefully they don't overpay in our quest to continue to have one of the worst ROIs in the nation.
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2014, 10:04:01 PM
Pakuni
Say what you want about so called insiders. For me I hope anyone that has any info shares it with people that are interested. For my part this week I have no regrets. I posted things what I trusted as honest and still do.
Someday I hope you or someone else posts what you believe to be real solid info. Trust me I would not bash you in incorrect.
GOOSE. You alright with me brotha. I enjoy reading your posts.
Coaching Changes @CoachingChanges 1m
Predictions:
Boston College-Pat Skerry
South Florida: Dave Rice
Marquette: Cuonzo Martin
Houston: Kelvin Sampson
Wash St: Ernie Kent
So is Tenessee's student section called the Cuonzone, or should I be looking to ™ that?
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2014, 09:58:31 PM
Vegas
For my buck not an impact hire. Not a strikeout and not a score. My hopes were higher than us and I was led to believe school had similar expectations.
Yep. Huge disappointment after all the talk about impact hires.
Howland is a comp, just the top name on cords emergency list that sets the baseline, not happening - Shaka...too bad, someone blew something in that deal - Martin's ripe, but there are a 100 qualified coaches out there - you want the right one !!!!
GO MU
For any insiders, what exactly is MU looking for in a coach? What traits are they valuing the highest?
I can't believe they would have forced Buzz out if they thought they would end up with Cuonzo Martin, of all people.
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2014, 10:04:01 PM
Pakuni
Say what you want about so called insiders. For me I hope anyone that has any info shares it with people that are interested. For my part this week I have no regrets. I posted things what I trusted as honest and still do.
Someday I hope you or someone else posts what you believe to be real solid info. Trust me I would not bash you in incorrect.
Goose .... i wasn't speaking only of you, and I'm not trying to be jag here, but since you responded .... over the past couple years, your insider information has told us that the MU administration intended to scale back its commitment to basketball, had a handshake agreement for Buzz to leave after the 2012, then 2013, seasons, and that Shaka was the guy (among other claims). NONE of these things occurred.
So, perhaps you'll forgive my skepticism.
If you guys want to believe that in the 60 or so minutes after Martin lost in heartbreaking fashion in the Sweet 16, he'accepted the MU job, don't allow me to stop you. I have my doubts. Even KO didn't move that fast.
Maybe Martin does end up being the guy. But in that case, I'd chalk up your prediction to dumb luck more than actual inside information. After all, you throw enough cr*p against the wall ....
Quote from: mechaghidorah on March 28, 2014, 10:13:22 PM
For any insiders, what exactly is MU looking for in a coach? What traits are they valuing the highest?
I can't believe they would have forced Buzz out if they thought they would end up with Cuonzo Martin, of all people.
Yeah, I'd like to know too.
It obviously isn't about wins and losses, because we Martin would be a huge downgrade. Buzz had 4 great years and one bad one. Martin had two bad years and one good one.
Goose
Thought you were on your way to The Dells.
For those ok with Martin, what are his strengths? His recruiting seems spotty and I've never thought his in game coaching was anything special. If he helps keep our current recruiting class it might be a good short term hire. I just don't see how he is this high on our list (if true, of course).
Well, Martin has been #2 on the admin's list. We all know who #1 was and how that went, so...
Quote from: RTP on March 28, 2014, 10:19:03 PM
Well, Martin has been #2 on the admin's list. We all know who #1 was and how that went, so...
Sources?
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 28, 2014, 10:09:18 PM
Howland is a comp, just the top name on cords emergency list that sets the baseline, not happening - Shaka...too bad, someone blew something in that deal - Martin's ripe, but there are a 100 qualified coaches out there - you want the right one !!!!
GO MU
I'm not quite sure about 100 qualified coaches, but I think your point is that there are quite a few and I absolutely agree. There are a lot of assistants right now who will end up being good coaches as well as several head coaches who are just in the wrong situations now.
We'll all have our opinions when a coach is named and guys who don't like the hire will fall all over themselves criticizing the choice after the first loss next year, but we won't know if the choice was a success or not for several years.
Boo and hiss.
Dude is nothing special and his recruiting is even more ho hum than his records or coaching.
Why? Makes no sense.
Of course, Goose's information has been about as reliable as square wheels over the last two to three years, so maybe there lies hope elsewhere.
Quote from: RTP on March 28, 2014, 10:21:50 PM
Well, I'm not my own source.
Bro,
Represent the Practice.
Quote from: Fullodds on March 28, 2014, 10:17:51 PM
For those ok with Martin, what are his strengths? His recruiting seems spotty and I've never thought his in game coaching was anything special. If he helps keep our current recruiting class it might be a good short term hire. I just don't see how he is this high on our list (if true, of course).
While not my first choice:
1. Great KenPom numbers indicate he does have some X and O ability
2. Has relationships with our current recruits and targets may provide some level of stability with more certainty than our previous hire
3. Wants to be here
Maybe a coach who has experience in a major conference, has contacts in the national AAU programs, has no track record of getting in trouble either on a personal basis or school, who will reflect well upon the university and can relate to the current players and incoming recruits.
One thing about Martin is that his staff consists of an ex MU player in Jon Harris and Tracy Webster, who went to Wisconsin and has major recruiting ties to the midwest. Tenn also has offered JJJ, Hill and Diamond Stone and probably other MU targets in the next classes.
Downsize is he was on life support until his team got hot at end of year. Remember Tenn is SEC football and b-ball is option #3 behind the Tenn womans program.
He would not be the "Impact Hire" as a Smart would have been, but I believe he would be able to keep the current players, incoming recruits and benefit in the recruitment of Stone.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 28, 2014, 10:23:16 PM
While not my first choice:
1. Great KenPom numbers indicate he does have some X and O ability
2. Has relationships with our current recruits and targets may provide some level of stability with mire certainty than our previous hire
3. Wants to be here
Says who?
Quote from: RTP on March 28, 2014, 10:21:50 PM
Well, I'm not my own source.
But did you Respect The Process?
Quote from: Eldon on March 28, 2014, 10:23:00 PM
Bro,
Represent the Practice.
Respecting the process, my friend. Just saying he's #2 on the list. Doesn't mean we get him. These situations are always fluid. Shaka was #1 and we had a chance with him. But we didn't get him. Martin is #2, and we have a chance with him. Let's see what happens given his season just ended under 2 hours ago. Respect the process.
Eventually you guys will come around. Yall will love this guy! Most importantly his players will love playing for him.
What does Tim Maymon have to say about this?
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Pic Intellectual Property of Fullodds. Stolen by Avenue Commons.
Quote from: My source on March 28, 2014, 10:24:37 PM
Says who?
Based on the fact that he is by hypothetically leaving an SEC job to come here.
Great pic. Funny stuff
Not saying I'm happy to settle and this Martin talk is all still speculation but....
We never had Ben or Shaka so let's just compare Martin to Bart. Which one is better? Which one has more upside? I think if anything, we could just call it an even trade or maybe we got the slight edge in the deal. Thoughts?
Quote from: MUCam on March 28, 2014, 10:20:29 PM
Boo and hiss.
Dude is nothing special and his recruiting is even more ho hum than his records or coaching.
Why? Makes no sense.
Spot on. A Martin hire would be a downgrade from Buzz.
I'm starting to get that Bob Dukiet feeling. crap.
Quote from: AshyLarry on March 28, 2014, 10:29:22 PM
Not saying I'm happy to settle and this Martin talk is all still speculation but....
We never had Ben or Shaka so let's just compare Martin to Bart. Which one is better? Which one has more upside? I think if anything, we could just call it an even trade or maybe we got the slight edge in the deal. Thoughts?
People keep bitching about Martin's in game coaching and honestly outside of a few occasions Buzz's in game coaching, sub patterns, etc always perplexed me. Buzz is a better recruiter right now than Martin but I'm curious to see how long it's going to take for his mis steps to catch up with him. Long run I'd say it's probably a net zero for us.
Quote from: mechaghidorah on March 28, 2014, 10:13:22 PM
For any insiders, what exactly is MU looking for in a coach? What traits are they valuing the highest?
Someone who: will help them get the fanbase to lower expectations, feign excitement, find it acceptable to throw money at a program to win the same amount as others that spend a fraction of what they do rather than effectively managing it, can pretend to enjoy working with a geezer who was out of it for six years and comes back to call press conferences for fun, and will leave after a few years to allow the next search to be conducted...hopefully there aren't a new batch of interim tags attached to everyone next time.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 09:58:37 PM
You would hope the events of this week would of taught us a thing or two about self-proclaimed insiders.
I can't + this enough.
This inside info garbage, jesus already.
When MU has an announcement, they'll f'n announce something.
Unless Cords or Lovell are posting here, no one knows a damn thing.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 28, 2014, 10:23:16 PM
While not my first choice:
1. Great KenPom numbers indicate he does have some X and O ability
2. Has relationships with our current recruits and targets may provide some level of stability with more certainty than our previous hire
3. Wants to be here
Enough said...he revived Missouri State program that has since his departure regressed left when them as conference champs at 26-9 after his departure... 16-16, the following, 11-22, and 20-13 this year...
Walked into a mess at Tennessee and has done a good job. Just 20 years ago, MU's coach got ripped after Sweet 16 appearance by TN from the SEC...and now, we have the ability to steal their coach after the Sweet 16. I'd say the program has made some progress..
WAs a Howland fan too...but there is some recent stink on him too...
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 28, 2014, 10:29:29 PM
Spot on. A Martin hire would be a downgrade from Buzz.
I'm starting to get that Bob Dukiet feeling. crap.
i didn't realize buzz had better credentials when taking over the MU job. if martin makes you feel the dukiet era, how did the buzz hiring make you feel?
Quote from: avid1010 on March 28, 2014, 10:34:05 PM
i didn't realize buzz had better credentials when taking over the MU job. if martin makes you feel the dukiet era, how did the buzz hiring make you feel?
Excellent
Can those doubting him at least acknowledge the jury is out? We quite frankly don't what kind of hire this will turn out to be
Quote from: Fullodds on March 28, 2014, 10:28:35 PM
Great pic. Funny stuff
Yes. Sorry. Meant to give you a credit after I jacked it from an earlier thread.
I'll say this much
I'm more optimistic right now with the prospect of Martin than I was with the prospect of Brent Williams back in 2008
Quote from: avid1010 on March 28, 2014, 10:34:05 PM
i didn't realize buzz had better credentials when taking over the MU job. if martin makes you feel the dukiet era, how did the buzz hiring make you feel?
Buzz didn't even have a full season of HC experience, so I had no idea what to expect.
I've seen what Cuonzo can do as a HC....
You also realize that we were blindsided by TCs departure in 2008 and had no 3 time Final Four coaches lobbying for the job?
This time, Buzz was apparently "helped" out the door so we've had time to think about this...and a 3 time Final Four coach who wants a shot.
For those that think this is a good hire, tell me where I am wrong:
Two possible outcomes for Martin at MU
1. He struggles and is let go after 5 seasons
2. He has success and bails to a big 10 school in 5 seasons
How is this better than howland?
I will wait for the official announcement than listening to you people. Get off the sauce
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 28, 2014, 10:40:35 PM
Buzz didn't even have a full season of HC experience, so I had no idea what to expect.
I've seen what Cuonzo can do as a HC....
You also realize that we were blindsided by TCs departure in 2008 and had no 3 time Final Four coaches lobbying for the job?
This time, Buzz was apparently "helped" out the door so we've had time to think about this...and a 3 time Final Four coach who wants a shot?
so you're saying we should look for someone with less experience. surely not someone who took his first team to a conf champ in his first stint and his second team to the S16 after the previous coach was banned from coaching for a few years wouldn't have a better resume.
i'd be very happy with howland, but if they don't hire him, they probably have good reason. after howland, martin is probably as good as it gets.
Quote from: csmithjump on March 28, 2014, 10:41:26 PM
For those that think this is a good hire, tell me where I am wrong:
Two possible outcomes for Martin at MU
1. He struggles and is let go after 5 seasons
2. He has success and bails to a big 10 school in 5 seasons
How is this better than howland?
I'm here on the Howland bus with you. But why would Martin ditch us for the B10? It seems we can compete with any of them with respect to salary.
Same TP, different Sh!t
Quote from: Eldon on March 28, 2014, 10:49:01 PM
I'm here on the Howland bus with you. But why would Martin ditch us for the B10? It seems we can compete with any of them with respect to salary.
Purdue. How could anyone think we would go there, if available. And you can by if he has success at MU, they will want him. And he will leave. Just a weak hire for the supposed "best coaching vacancy in the country"
Quote from: csmithjump on March 28, 2014, 10:41:26 PM
For those that think this is a good hire, tell me where I am wrong:
Two possible outcomes for Martin at MU
1. He struggles and is let go after 5 seasons
2. He has success and bails to a big 10 school in 5 seasons
How is this better than howland?
You are assuming it is an either/or thing with Howland and Martin. We don't even know what Howland's demands are. He might be asking for the moon for all we know.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 28, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
so you're saying we should look for someone with less experience. surely not someone who took his first team to a conf champ in his first stint and his second team to the S16 after the previous coach was banned from coaching for a few years wouldn't have a better resume.
i'd be very happy with howland, but if they don't hire him, they probably have good reason. after howland, martin is probably as good as it gets.
I'm saying we should go for Howland - period. Lots of evidence that he wants the job. So no we should NOT go for someone with less experience.
Quote from: bean on March 28, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
You are assuming it is an either/or thing with Howland and Martin. We don't even know what Howland's demands are. He might be asking for the moon for all we know.
Is there a school that can offer howland more at this time than us?
Crap hire. Will get fired in three years with an overall losing record. Wake me when he's gone.
Quote from: csmithjump on March 28, 2014, 10:41:26 PM
For those that think this is a good hire, tell me where I am wrong:
Two possible outcomes for Martin at MU
1. He struggles and is let go after 5 seasons
2. He has success and bails to a big 10 school in 5 seasons
How is this better than howland?
Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting....has relationships with Hill, Stone, JJJ...and truth of the matter is, a 37 year old black dude, that has played college ball and in the NBA, is going to connect better with recruits than a 57 year old Howland. It's one thing if we are UCLA...or even in the "old" Big East as Howland was at Pitt....but we aren't...I believe Cuonzo would do a better job recruiting....and his team just finished Top 20 in Offensive and Defensive efficiency - he can coach a little too.
And assume he has success in 5 years, perhaps he enjoys his time at MU, being the only game on campus, is paid as well as any coach in the country, has access to all of the best tools - private jets, Synergy/Sports Vu - and has solid character, and feels a degree of loyalty.
Quote from: RTP on March 28, 2014, 10:19:03 PM
Well, Martin has been #2 on the admin's list. We all know who #1 was and how that went, so...
I'm not totally sure of that, I think Tony Bennett is #2.
Quote from: csmithjump on March 28, 2014, 11:02:06 PM
Is there a school that can offer howland more at this time than us?
Yes, retirement and fly fishing.
Martin could be coming here after being left for dead by Tennessee fans and then delivering a Sweet 16.
Treat him right both administratively and fanwise, the guy could entrench himself here
Quote from: Ners on March 28, 2014, 11:07:35 PM
Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting....has relationships with Hill, Stone, JJJ...and truth of the matter is, a 37 year old black dude, that has played college ball and in the NBA, is going to connect better with recruits than a 57 year old Howland. It's one thing if we are UCLA...or even in the "old" Big East as Howland was at Pitt....but we aren't...I believe Cuonzo would do a better job recruiting....and his team just finished Top 20 in Offensive and Defensive efficiency - he can coach a little too.
And assume he has success in 5 years, perhaps he enjoys his time at MU, being the only game on campus, is paid as well as any coach in the country, has access to all of the best tools - private jets, Synergy/Sports Vu - and has solid character, and feels a degree of loyalty.
See Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 28, 2014, 11:13:28 PM
See Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook.
Yeah, why would any kid want to listen to a coach who has sent 14 guys to the NBA?
Howland can't recruit - lol.
Quote from: Ners on March 28, 2014, 11:07:35 PM
Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting....has relationships with Hill, Stone, JJJ...and truth of the matter is, a 37 year old black dude, that has played college ball and in the NBA,
And lost Hill and JJJ to a short, white dude that never played ball.
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2014, 09:45:09 PM
Martin will get the job IMO and will happen quickly.
Goose not being a smart a$$ but did the Shaka finally say no?
We now have two coaches we can interview who lost tonight
Howland Howland Howland!
If we dont even offer him....christ ill be speechless.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 28, 2014, 11:32:44 PM
Howland Howland Howland!
If we dont even offer him....christ ill be speechless.
I like him too but I hear he is #3 on the list.
I say Howland then Bennett. Martin is above Wardle but neither sends a shock down my leg.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 28, 2014, 11:13:28 PM
See Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook.
See...Westwood/Los Angeles - see downtown Milwaukee. Think Howland could have gotten love to Milwaukee from Oregon?
I'm not saying Howland CAN'T recruit...just that L.A., and UCLA to Milwaukee and Marquette aren't exactly apples to apples..
Quote from: My source on March 28, 2014, 11:23:17 PM
And lost Hill and JJJ to a short, white dude that never played ball.
Fair point...only rebuttal I'd make is Buzz had more skins on the wall at that time than Cuonzo..been at MU 6 years...and 3 Sweet 16 appearances in a row with an Elite 8 to point to and some good development of Jimmy, Jae, Lazar...
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 28, 2014, 11:32:44 PM
Howland Howland Howland!
If we dont even offer him....christ ill be speechless.
It's quite possible you will be speechless.
I don't understand how it's so mind blowing that some may not want to bring a guy in that has baggage. I would be okay with hiring BH, but I understand why some in the administration and BoT may not.
For real? A guy with one NCAA appearance in 6 years as a head coach?
Quote from: Bleuteaux on March 28, 2014, 11:41:05 PM
For real? A guy with one NCAA appearance in 6 years as a head coach?
For real. Gotta set that bar low and rationalize the others away as a way to justify incompetence.
Quote from: Ners on March 28, 2014, 11:07:35 PM
has relationships with Hill, Stone, JJJ
Ners - are you just speculating on these relationships or is there some evidence that Martin was/is a serious contender for these guys?
While I agree with the benefits of a young black coach certainly isn't known as a great recruiter as for instance Crean or O'Neill were. Buzz's magic was how he connected with kid's moms. The god fearing, I'll guide your son to adulthood play. Martin kind of seems like the kind of guy that wouldn't have the patience for recruiting. Just a hunch.
Quote from: MUSF on March 28, 2014, 11:40:30 PM
It's quite possible you will be speechless.
I don't understand how it's so mind blowing that some may not want to bring a guy in that has baggage. I would be okay with hiring BH, but I understand why some in the administration and BoT may not.
+1...i know the respect the process thing has been made a joke, but cords and co. deserve some trust and having doc advising on the process makes me feel good as well. i'm sure he's a busy guy right now, but his advice is worth more than any advice given on here.
Quote from: denverMU on March 28, 2014, 11:34:06 PM
I like him too but I hear he is #3 on the list.
If he's a #3, then MUs administration is nothing but a bunch if #2.
Should it be Howland, Martin, Wardle?? What makes any of us think we know more than our Marquette administrative leaders? They've been doing what they do longer than most of us have been alive. "Respect the Process" we've been told by many on this board, yet we keep talking like we know everything. We don't. Just be patient and let it play out. We'll find out soon enough. They aren't listening to us or asking for our opinion anyway. (There were four great games tonight in the Tourney. Enjoy the games and quit worrying about our future coach). It'll happen......eventually.
Let's not forget that it seems that this hire is more about program "prestige" than coaching abilities.
Martin is probably the best bet right now, because he's got a great record and also from a big SEC school. People like Howland because he's from UCLA but totally forget about his slow playing style and questionable coaching habits.
If we could forget about the prestige aspect, Wardle is a no brainer IMO. He would give it 110% and he's well liked amongst everybody...but he's not a sexy hire.
We are all hoping this hire will elevate Marquette's (and the BE) status, so I say Martin is the best of both worlds.
Howland is the college version of Scott Skiles. Very strong, defensive minded coach. Kind of an ass. Can he still recruit without the UCLA name? I have my doubts there.
I guess I look at it this way... who is more likely to retain players, and relate to recruits? To me, that's Martin.
Quote from: kryza on March 29, 2014, 12:22:41 AM
If we could forget about the prestige aspect, Wardle is a no brainer IMO. He would give it 110% and he's well liked amongst everybody...but he's not a sexy hire.
I don't think anything about Wardle makes him a nobrainer. He's had a decent run at a much lesser school. Handing him the reins at MU would be like making a guy that runs a successful microbrewery the CEO of Miller.
If he gets the job it will be a risky hire. He could turn out to be the real deal, but right now he is hardly a nobrainer.
Quote from: MUSF on March 29, 2014, 12:32:56 AM
I don't think anything about Wardle makes him a nobrainer. He's had a decent run at a much lesser school. Handing him the reins at MU would be like making a guy that runs a successful microbrewery the CEO of Miller.
If he gets the job it will be a risky hire. He could turn out to be the real deal, but right now he is hardly a nobrainer.
Bad analogy. Almost any guy running a microbrew would improve The Miller Brewing Co's product.
That said, I don't want Wardle.
Quote from: kryza on March 29, 2014, 12:22:41 AM
Let's not forget that it seems that this hire is more about program "prestige" than coaching abilities.
Martin is probably the best bet right now, because he's got a great record and also from a big SEC school. People like Howland because he's from UCLA but totally forget about his slow playing style and questionable coaching habits.
If we could forget about the prestige aspect, Wardle is a no brainer IMO. He would give it 110% and he's well liked amongst everybody...but he's not a sexy hire.
We are all hoping this hire will elevate Marquette's (and the BE) status, so I say Martin is the best of both worlds.
The opposite is true of all of the above.
Quote from: chapman on March 29, 2014, 12:44:47 AM
The opposite is true of all of the above.
Seconded, except I kind of hope we get Martin. It seems like the administration doesn't want Howland for some reason, and since I cannot affect their decision, I may as well get on board.
I think the only way I could make peace with a hire like Wardle, is if we had a proven recruiter on his staff like a Jerrance Howard type guy, but obviously that would never happen.
Howland's last class at Pitt was ranked $9 in the country by Rivals. He also brought Brandon Knight, Karl Krauser and Julius Page into that program. Shows he's had recruiting success outside of UCLA. There's no evidence he can't relate HS players. People on this board are trying to talk themselves into that, just like they're trying to make themselves OK with a Cuonzo Martin hiring.
Quote from: denverMU on March 28, 2014, 11:08:12 PM
I'm not totally sure of that, I think Tony Bennett is #2.
Bennett is making $1.8M plus bonus incentives. If we're offering over $3M I suppose he might be poachable. I doubt it happens, but that would be a huge impact hire.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2014/03/24/virginia-coach-tony-bennett-bonus-money/6843981/
Quote from: Heavy Gear on March 29, 2014, 04:39:44 AM
Howland's last class at Pitt was ranked #9 in the country by Rivals. He also brought Brandon Knight, Karl Krauser and Julius Page into that program. Shows he's had recruiting success outside of UCLA. There's no evidence he can't relate HS players. People on this board are trying to talk themselves into that, just like they're trying to make themselves OK with a Cuonzo Martin hiring.
I prefer Howland as well, but how many years ago was that? What worked then might not work now... Having said that, I still think Howland's ability to develop players into NBA guys is the next turn of the crank for the MU program.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 28, 2014, 10:23:16 PM
While not my first choice:
1. Great KenPom numbers indicate he does have some X and O ability
2. Has relationships with our current recruits and targets may provide some level of stability with more certainty than our previous hire
3. Wants to be here
How the hell do you know he wants to be here? People said that about Smart--until he didn't.
Quote from: chapman on March 29, 2014, 12:44:47 AM
The opposite is true of all of the above.
Having 4000+ posts, I would think you would have grasped the concept of the long winded, personal attack diatribe style of post. If everyone here starts posting so efficiently, we will have twice as much server space available and I will waste half as much time on this website.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on March 29, 2014, 04:39:44 AM
Howland's last class at Pitt was ranked $9 in the country by Rivals. He also brought Brandon Knight, Karl Krauser and Julius Page into that program. Shows he's had recruiting success outside of UCLA. There's no evidence he can't relate HS players. People on this board are trying to talk themselves into that, just like they're trying to make themselves OK with a Cuonzo Martin hiring.
Well, Howland isn't happening, so I'm trying to move on. Martin seems like the guy.
Alot of damage might have been done by Bill Walton and the SI story on Ben Howland.
Could their bad year up until their last ditch effort to get into the tourney be considered a statistical anomaly given their strong KenPom numbers? (Top 25 in both offense and defense)
You people are nuts! He a marginal recruiter at best Martin is. Just what we need.
Jeff Goodman tweeted that the "mystery candidate" is now out of the tourney.
So it's either Bennett or Martin. Erase Stephens name from the list. Obvious clues are Martin as this thread suggests. He didn't say he had a source!
Quote from: jt92 on March 29, 2014, 07:42:40 AM
You people are nuts! He a marginal recruiter at best Martin is. Just what we need.
No one is doing cartwheels. Just looking for positives. This could be the guy.
Quote from: marquetteff03 on March 29, 2014, 07:45:51 AM
Jeff Goodman tweeted that the "mystery candidate" is now out of the tourney.
So it's either Bennett or Martin. Erase Stephens name from the list. Obvious clues are Martin as this thread suggests. He didn't say he had a source!
Where is the tweet, I don't see it anywhere???
Just go to @GoodmanESPN. It's the 3rd most recent tweet in response to a question.
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/449780685687894016
Quote from: miggs0721 on March 29, 2014, 07:58:51 AM
Where is the tweet, I don't see it anywhere???
It is a reply to an #mubb question someone asked him. His reply doesn't actually refer directly to #mubb. Took a minute for me to find it too.
Apologies....if I learned anything this week I should name and include "my source" #donedeal
Got it, thanks a lot. Still can't figure that it would be Tony Bennett, has to be Cuonzo. Who knows at this point???
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 29, 2014, 07:46:59 AM
No one is doing cartwheels. Just looking for positives. This could be the guy.
Exactly. He isn't going to fire up the fan base and students like Shaka. He would be a risk, but almost everyone is except an Izzo or Coach K type. I was excited for Shaka because I thought he'd be able to pull in a lot of top shelf recruits, his hiring would make a statement, and he'd be a lot of fun to have here. However, I'm not convinced he's a better X's and O's coach than Martin.
MU basketball is my favorite sports team and I want them to be as successful as possible, so if we have a coach that looks likely, I'm going to try and find the positives that show he can take it to the next level. Frankly, I see a lot of positives with Martin. The big knock seems to be his recruiting so far, but he had offers out to JuJuan Johnson and Ahmed Hill. He was a part of Looney's finalists. I believe he's been recruiting Diamond Stone.
He got Jarnell Stokes to Tennessee. He has some good recruits. Hubbs is a five star on Scout. Cofer I think is a 4 star in some places. He and his assistants have very strong Midwest ties, much more than the south. With Marquette's recruiting recources, I think his recruiting could greatly improve. Also, now he has a Sweet Sixteen to sell, and they were one possession away from the Elite Eight.
Yes I agree, deductive reasoning....Bennett said no last time while at WSU and has since moved to a higher profile gig at a better school in a better conference where he has been successful. Doesn't add up. But what do I know.
If I had to guess they talk to Martin and either announce him Monday afternoon or move to Wardle by Wed.
No sources, I use logic.
Could also be Johnny Dawkins. Don't know if any Pitino assistants are possible, Hoiberg not likely, but now out. Cuonzo appears the likely candidate, but my gut has been screaming at me about Johnny Dawkins.
Quote from: marquetteff03 on March 29, 2014, 08:05:06 AM
Apologies....if I learned anything this week I should name and include "my source" #donedeal
Right--and then we would know that it is probably not accurate. ;)
Quote from: marquetteff03 on March 29, 2014, 07:45:51 AM
Jeff Goodman tweeted that the "mystery candidate" is now out of the tourney.
So it's either Bennett or Martin. Erase Stephens name from the list. Obvious clues are Martin as this thread suggests. He didn't say he had a source!
There's also Johnny Dawkins, Scott Drew and
Kevin Keatts (UL's top assistant/recruiter).
I would love Bennett or Dawkins but neither seems realistic, there just seems to be too much Internet smoke for the mystery candidate not to be Martin.
Keatts already got hired at UNC-Wilmington
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 29, 2014, 08:07:14 AM
Exactly. He isn't going to fire up the fan base and students like Shaka. He would be a risk, but almost everyone is except an Izzo or Coach K type. I was excited for Shaka because I thought he'd be able to pull in a lot of top shelf recruits, his hiring would make a statement, and he'd be a lot of fun to have here. However, I'm not convinced he's a better X's and O's coach than Martin.
MU basketball is my favorite sports team and I want them to be as successful as possible, so if we have a coach that looks likely, I'm going to try and find the positives that show he can take it to the next level. Frankly, I see a lot of positives with Martin. The big knock seems to be his recruiting so far, but he had offers out to JuJuan Johnson and Ahmed Hill. He was a part of Looney's finalists. I believe he's been recruiting Diamond Stone.
He got Jarnell Stokes to Tennessee. He has some good recruits. Hubbs is a five star on Scout. Cofer I think is a 4 star in some places. He and his assistants have very strong Midwest ties, much more than the south. With Marquette's recruiting recources, I think his recruiting could greatly improve. Also, now he has a Sweet Sixteen to sell, and they were one possession away from the Elite Eight.
Well said. Smart was the sexy pick, but Martin is a solid pick. Which in the end, may be a better fit in Milwaukee. I like the Midwestern connection. Would like to see a return to mining Chicago for talent. MU is best when they have some Chicago guys on the roster. If this is the guy, I'm willing to give him a legit chance. Hope he's a big success.
My deductive reasoning suggests Scott Drew is not an option. The BOT is looking for a clean hire with no baggage whatsoever. Avoiding the squirm factor is key.
Here's hoping its Bennett. I know all you guys would hate his style of play but I like the idea of bringing the home town kid in. My memories of college basketball really start back when he helped UWGB get to the tourney and this state had 3 teams in the tourney. Awesome memories. He's a great guy with an incredible basketball mind. A new style for us.
All this said, it won't be him. But I'm holding on to my last hope before we end up with a meh hire like Cuonzo. He could be good but imagine the stir in the state and the national attention that would bring.
Quote from: marquetteff03 on March 29, 2014, 08:16:35 AM
My deductive reasoning suggests Scott Drew is not an option. The BOT is looking for a clean hire with no baggage whatsoever. Avoiding the squirm factor is key.
If they have issues with Marshall and Howland, no way are they considering Drew.
New member here, whats the knock on Martin? That he just isn't a good recuiter? Just curious
Quote from: GoldenEagle2002 on March 29, 2014, 08:17:31 AM
Here's hoping its Bennett. I know all you guys would hate his style of play but I like the idea of bringing the home town kid in. My memories of college basketball really start back when he helped UWGB get to the tourney and this state had 3 teams in the tourney. Awesome memories. He's a great guy with an incredible basketball mind. A new style for us.
All this said, it won't be him. But I'm holding on to my last hope before we end up with a meh hire like Cuonzo. He could be good but imagine the stir in the state and the national attention that would bring.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of posters would love to get Bennett regardless of his style of play, it just doesn't seem logical that he would leave UVA for MU.
As far as Bennett goes, what's his current salary, and could UVA come close to what Dick Strong and company could offer, and what is our max in terms of yearly pay. Is it right at 3 mill per, or could we bump it to 4
The knock on Martin is he isn't a big name sexy hire....however neither were the last 3 coaches. So I trust the process and the people we have in place. They've done it before and been quite successful.
If anything Martin being a head coach with 2 stops brings more experience than our previous.
He's really growing on me. And the key for me is that they reach out and want to be here. Not just for the money but actually want to be here.
Quote from: miggs0721 on March 29, 2014, 08:18:09 AM
New member here, whats the knock on Martin? That he just isn't a good recuiter? Just curious
Not the impact hire everyone was hoping for. From a resume standpoint he is a downgrade from Buzz.
One of the positives is that he probably brings over his complete staff so they hit the ground running. For some reason, either because the admin figured they'd go with Buzz or the admin wanted to clean house none of the staff is staying or was even considered (except for Wainright which I consider a 0 anyway). So for that having an intact staff including an MU player is a bonus.
Quote from: miggs0721 on March 29, 2014, 08:21:02 AM
As far as Bennett goes, what's his current salary, and could UVA come close to what Dick Strong and company could offer, and what is our max in terms of yearly pay. Is it right at 3 mill per, or could we bump it to 4
Bennett made $2.2 million this year, and he's probably in line for a raise. Virginia likely can afford to match, or come close to matching, what MU can throw at him. Bottom line: money won't be enough to lure Bennett from Virginia. Maybe there would be other reasons for him leaving, but it won't be because he'll get a huge raise.
Quote from: miggs0721 on March 29, 2014, 08:21:02 AM
As far as Bennett goes, what's his current salary, and could UVA come close to what Dick Strong and company could offer, and what is our max in terms of yearly pay. Is it right at 3 mill per, or could we bump it to 4
A previous poster in this thread said $1.4m plus incentives. Earlier I thought I read that could get up to a total of around $3m.
Quote from: marquetteff03 on March 29, 2014, 08:21:58 AM
The knock on Martin is he isn't a big name sexy hire....however neither were the last 3 coaches. So I trust the process and the people we have in place. They've done it before and been quite successful.
If anything Martin being a head coach with 2 stops brings more experience than our previous.
He's really growing on me. And the key for me is that they reach out and want to be here. Not just for the money but actually want to be here.
anyone they hire wants to be here, the important thing is wanting to stay here.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 29, 2014, 08:20:04 AM
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of posters would love to get Bennett regardless of his style of play, it just doesn't seem logical that he would leave UVA for MU.
It doesn't unless he doesn't feel that he could sustain the same success year in and year out against the blue bloods of the SEC. Add to that the fact of coming home could be intriguing for him.
If Martin can lure Skal Labiessiere to Marquette, then i'm all for Cuonzo
Quote from: marquetteff03 on March 29, 2014, 08:21:58 AM
He's really growing on me. And the key for me is that they reach out and want to be here. Not just for the money but actually want to be here.
I guess I missed the part where he reached out and said he wanted to be here. When exactly did that happen?
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 29, 2014, 08:26:12 AM
Not the impact hire everyone was hoping for. From a resume standpoint he is a downgrade from Buzz.
One of the positives is that he probably brings over his complete staff so they hit the ground running. For some reason, either because the admin figured they'd go with Buzz or the admin wanted to clean house none of the staff is staying or was even considered (except for Wainright which I consider a 0 anyway). So for that having an intact staff including an MU player is a bonus.
In fairness to the assistants, the smart move is to take the guaranteed job at VaTech rather than wait around at Marquette and hope the next guy keeps you.
Quote from: marquetteff03 on March 29, 2014, 08:21:58 AM
If anything Martin being a head coach with 2 stops brings more experience than our previous.
You could throw a lot of candidates in this bucket though. Even a bunch of the assistants we r discussing have more experience than Buzz did as an assistant when we hired him. As far as head coaching experience I really don't count Buzz's New Orleans stop.
What are you guys afraid of with Martin? Serious question
Quote from: atk13thst on March 29, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
What are you guys afraid of with Martin? Serious question
Years of mediocrity.
Quote from: miggs0721 on March 29, 2014, 08:21:02 AM
As far as Bennett goes, what's his current salary, and could UVA come close to what Dick Strong and company could offer, and what is our max in terms of yearly pay. Is it right at 3 mill per, or could we bump it to 4
he turned us down once--don't waste time there.
I would prefer Oliver Purnell over Cuonzo Martin. No joke.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 29, 2014, 08:45:13 AM
Years of mediocrity.
He's engineered nice turnarounds at Missouri State and now Tennessee...was a basket away from an Elite 8. He was finalist for JJJ, Looney, Hill...has been recruiting Stone...with questionable recruiting resources at TN. Has a very strong assistant coaching staff with Tracy Webster and Jon Harris...
Team is in Top 20 offense and defensive efficiency - something Buzz never accomplished at MU.
I'd be fine with either Howland or Martin - just have concerns about Howland's ability and drive to recruit at MU..and think Martin would have more appeal/cache with recruits than Howland.
Quote from: Ners on March 29, 2014, 08:52:39 AM
He's engineered nice turnarounds at Missouri State and now Tennessee...was a basket away from an Elite 8. He was finalist for JJJ, Looney, Hill...has been recruiting Stone...with questionable recruiting resources at TN. Has a very strong assistant coaching staff with Tracy Webster and Jon Harris...
Team is in Top 20 offense and defensive efficiency - something Buzz never accomplished at MU.
I'd be fine with either Howland or Martin - just have concerns about Howland's ability and drive to recruit at MU..and think Martin would have more appeal/cache with recruits than Howland.
Ners, you the best. Right on point.
What people fail to realize is that the TN program was in disarray after Pearl was fired. Cuonzo has done a damn good job getting that program back on its feet!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 29, 2014, 08:49:07 AM
I would prefer Oliver Purnell over Cuonzo Martin. No joke.
Well that's just stupid.
While Martin would still not be my first choice, the idea is growing. At least it wouldn't be an assistant coach. Martin is at least an established coach. While the SEC isn't a power in basketball, outside of Florida and Kentucky, other schools in the conference have been able to either consistently make the tournament or have limited success. Martin would at least give us a big conference coach, instead of some unknown assistant to the masses, after the Shaka fiasco of 14.
I have a spider sense this isn't happening either...must be all the earthquakes out here.
Quote from: Ners on March 29, 2014, 08:52:39 AM
Team is in Top 20 offense and defensive efficiency - something Buzz never accomplished at MU.
This is why I'm starting to really like the Martin thing.
Quote from: Ners on March 29, 2014, 08:52:39 AM
He's engineered nice turnarounds at Missouri State and now Tennessee...was a basket away from an Elite 8. He was finalist for JJJ, Looney, Hill...has been recruiting Stone...with questionable recruiting resources at TN. Has a very strong assistant coaching staff with Tracy Webster and Jon Harris...
Team is in Top 20 offense and defensive efficiency - something Buzz never accomplished at MU.
I'd be fine with either Howland or Martin - just have concerns about Howland's ability and drive to recruit at MU..and think Martin would have more appeal/cache with recruits than Howland.
I totally agreed with you on the Derrick Wilson thing this year (just posted it about 1% as often) and I totally agree with you here. I'd also add the fact that he had such high level playing experience will be a plus. I think it matters in terms of managing game flow/rhythm, which I think was Buzz and Crean's biggest weakness. Neither of them playing past high school was a major contributing factor on that end, IMO. Plus, he seems to be the personality fit we're looking for, and I have heard his players love him. I'd be totally on board with Martin.
Quote from: Ners on March 29, 2014, 08:52:39 AM
He's engineered nice turnarounds at Missouri State and now Tennessee...was a basket away from an Elite 8. He was finalist for JJJ, Looney, Hill...has been recruiting Stone...with questionable recruiting resources at TN. Has a very strong assistant coaching staff with Tracy Webster and Jon Harris...
Team is in Top 20 offense and defensive efficiency - something Buzz never accomplished at MU.
I'd be fine with either Howland or Martin - just have concerns about Howland's ability and drive to recruit at MU..and think Martin would have more appeal/cache with recruits than Howland.
I don't necessarily disagree...though I think you may be a little too locked into the players is/was involved with, that may be swaying your opinion some.
Don't think its necessarily a bad choice, I know Pom loved Tennessee this year. It's become pretty evident we re not going to see a knock your socks off hire, and likely never were, so I suppose it has to be someone.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 29, 2014, 08:49:07 AM
I would prefer Oliver Purnell over Cuonzo Martin. No joke.
Oof. Honestly, that's the kind of rational thinking I expect from most UT fans. "He's not my top choice, so might as well go after the worst possible choice and give up completely."
I live in Nashville. I've had to listen to Vols fans complain all the time about Cuonzo. Honestly, their biggest complaint has been that he isn't Bruce Pearl. The fanbase is insufferable in general, but it wasn't until Pearl signed with Auburn (and with the idea of him returning officially dead) that they started to warm up to Cuonzo. Then he kept winning. Literally, nobody has anything bad to say about him as a person. As a coach, check the kenpom numbers. Look at what he did while at Missouri St. The guy wins and does it in a way that people really respect.
Most here recall the videos with Buzz and his life lessons. Most of us loved those because it made us proud of the program. At least I felt good rooting for Buzz and those kids. Cuonzo is very similar in that regard. Players love him and play hard for him for a reason. I'm not saying he's the best choice, but he's certainly better than Purnell and if we end up hiring him, I think he'll make us proud to root for him.
Quote from: Ners on March 29, 2014, 08:52:39 AM
Has a very strong assistant coaching staff with Tracy Webster and Jon Harris...
One question...other than the fact that you recognize their names, what makes you conclude that this makes a strong coaching staff?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 29, 2014, 08:49:07 AM
I would prefer Oliver Purnell over Cuonzo Martin. No joke.
Care to elaborate on why?
Quote from: MU06CU10 on March 29, 2014, 09:11:06 AM
Oof. Honestly, that's the kind of rational thinking I expect from most UT fans. "He's not my top choice, so might as well go after the worst possible choice and give up completely."
I live in Nashville. I've had to listen to Vols fans complain all the time about Cuonzo. Honestly, their biggest complaint has been that he isn't Bruce Pearl. The fanbase is insufferable in general, but it wasn't until Pearl signed with Auburn (and with the idea of him returning officially dead) that they started to warm up to Cuonzo. Then he kept winning. Literally, nobody has anything bad to say about him as a person. As a coach, check the kenpom numbers. Look at what he did while at Missouri St. The guy wins and does it in a way that people really respect.
Most here recall the videos with Buzz and his life lessons. Most of us loved those because it made us proud of the program. At least I felt good rooting for Buzz and those kids. Cuonzo is very similar in that regard. Players love him and play hard for him for a reason. I'm not saying he's the best choice, but he's certainly better than Purnell and if we end up hiring him, I think he'll make us proud to root for him.
Good insight thanks for posting this
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 29, 2014, 08:49:07 AM
I would prefer Oliver Purnell over Cuonzo Martin. No joke.
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Quote from: MU06CU10 on March 29, 2014, 09:11:06 AM
Oof. Honestly, that's the kind of rational thinking I expect from most UT fans. "He's not my top choice, so might as well go after the worst possible choice and give up completely."
I live in Nashville. I've had to listen to Vols fans complain all the time about Cuonzo. Honestly, their biggest complaint has been that he isn't Bruce Pearl. The fanbase is insufferable in general, but it wasn't until Pearl signed with Auburn (and with the idea of him returning officially dead) that they started to warm up to Cuonzo. Then he kept winning. Literally, nobody has anything bad to say about him as a person. As a coach, check the kenpom numbers. Look at what he did while at Missouri St. The guy wins and does it in a way that people really respect.
Most here recall the videos with Buzz and his life lessons. Most of us loved those because it made us proud of the program. At least I felt good rooting for Buzz and those kids. Cuonzo is very similar in that regard. Players love him and play hard for him for a reason. I'm not saying he's the best choice, but he's certainly better than Purnell and if we end up hiring him, I think he'll make us proud to root for him.
Well said!
The more I hear about Martin, the more I like him as a candidate. - I can say I wouldn't be mad at the hire.
Not my top choice (not saying I know anything about coaching), but I think he is a reasonable option.
It's gonna be a disaster.
As sure of that as I was that Buzz was going to succeed.
I believe this has been covered, but what is the boards general consensus about a coach from the same state as Cuonzo but Southwest
Hiring Martin means we would be getting a head coach from a BCS conference instead of the other way around. That in itself makes it a step forward.
Martin would be an ok hire,certainly not an "impact hire" Doesn't mean he can't do well, he may very well be the guy to take the program to an even higher level. Lot of the talk on here sounds like people are trying to talk themselves into settling for less than expectations.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 29, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
What are you guys afraid of with Martin? Serious question
No proof he can recruit at a high level. And listing all the players he's missed out on does not help your argument. Plus, the SEC isn't exactly known for their commitment to academics.
Martin is not an IMPACT hire. The only reason I would be lukewarm on this hire is that there is a chance that JJJ stays, that Hill might honor his signing and we have some stability with our players.
Unfortunately the only big impact hire that made sense for everyone was Smart. That hire would have provided a bump for us and Smart. I don't see any other candidate that I can say the same. Wardle? Yuck. He is at least 5 successful years away. Hopkins? Why hire him when he will bolt as soon as Jimmy B. retires. A. Miller? He would look at us as a stepping stone and bolt after any success. Howland? I think he has some baggage and we would need to rebuild as all of our signings would likely bolt. Being out of the game for a year, he won't find immediate adequate replacements and the current roster might not fit into his defensive style. He would get us back on track but after a couple of years. I am spoiled. I want a quick turnaround from this past year's debacle.
Back to Martin. At the end of the day, he is probably an ok hire but I definitely feel like we would be settling. Having said that I don't see any other really good realistic option.
You already assume Archie Miller wants to leave before he gets here? That's his downside?
Crean here 9 years
Buzz lightly pushed out 6 years.
Coaches usually aren't running to get out of here, they play us for more money often though.
Quite frankly. This would not be an "impact hire".
Next please
Respect the process and don't knee jerk for Martin because smart turns you down. Mu program is better than that.
Take your time And get the best candidate.
Quote from: miggs0721 on March 29, 2014, 09:31:45 AM
I believe this has been covered, but what is the boards general consensus about a coach from the same state as Cuonzo but Southwest
If we could get Pastner, I'd take him over Martin in a heartbeat.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 29, 2014, 09:58:51 AM
Quite frankly. This would not be an "impact hire".
Next please
Respect the process and don't knee jerk for Martin because smart turns you down. Mu program is better than that.
Take your time And get the best candidate.
As just who would that be? Izzo or Coach K aren't walking through the door. Give us some names.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 29, 2014, 10:02:30 AM
If we could get Pastner, I'd take him over Martin in a heartbeat.
Is Pastner clean? Seriously, I don't know. Being at Memphis makes me wonder, though. Memphis is not known for their academic profile. And I don't see him leaving either as he is doing very well already.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 29, 2014, 10:02:39 AM
As just who would that be? Izzo or Coach K aren't walking through the door. Give us some names.
Thank you...
Howland and Marshall are the two potential guys available that you could make a case for that have some big name cache at this point - yet that doesn't necessarily mean they are the best person for the job.
We swung for the fences with Shaka...did everything in our power to get him....and even with him there were still 20% minority that wanted Howland instead. At the end of the day, unless we hire Rick Pitino, or Tom Izzo...there will be some disdain.
Think Martin is a very viable and attractive candidate..
MU doesn't seem to want him, but Howland's outstanding track record of success makes him an impact hire, imo.
Tony Bennett and Gregg Marshall would also fit that description.
Perhaps a silly question...but would it be possible they would approach current players/future recruits and gauge their interest in the next candidate?
Seems like they would want to get a feel for what the players/future players would want. Give a different perspective and allow for the maximum stability following a hire. Plus get an indication on what future players may be looking for.
Combine that with whomever aligns with the administration/University needs/wants...and go after that person hard.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 29, 2014, 09:58:51 AM
Quite frankly. This would not be an "impact hire".
Next please
Respect the process and don't knee jerk for Martin because smart turns you down. Mu program is better than that.
Take your time And get the best candidate.
It's possible Martin could be the best candidate and not an "impact hire" - whatever that means....
Also, from what goodman says, we've been on this mystery candidate since buzz left, so I doubt it's any kind of knee jerk reaction.
Quote from: MUWeb7 on March 29, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
Perhaps a silly question...but would it be possible they would approach current players/future recruits and gauge their interest in the next candidate?
Inmates running the asylum?
Quote from: wildbill sb on March 29, 2014, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: MUWeb7 on March 29, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
Perhaps a silly question...but would it be possible they would approach current players/future recruits and gauge their interest in the next candidate?
Inmates running the asylum?
The intent of my point was they would "gauge their interest"....not "pick the coach". Give them an additional bit of information when considering the candidates.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 29, 2014, 10:02:30 AM
If we could get Pastner, I'd take him over Martin in a heartbeat.
What is the love affair for Pastner? Not picking on you, merely asking.
Quote from: JTBMU7 on March 29, 2014, 10:13:47 AM
It's possible Martin could be the best candidate and not an "impact hire" - whatever that means....
Also, from what goodman says, we've been on this mystery candidate since buzz left, so I doubt it's any kind of knee jerk reaction.
For starters....well, if Goodman says we were on this guy since pre-Buzz leaving, I mean, why not believe that? It's not like anyone would say that either as a smokescreen or a way for Goodman to promote one of his guys. Just saying.
For all you people that somehow have an issue w/Howland's age and that a) he can't recruit (false) b) doesn't have the energy to recruit (how do you know?!) and c) his age is a detriment because he's not a 30+ year old minority that can "speak" to the kids of today, I'd like to introduce you to the following people.
Tom Izzo
Coach K
Roy Williams
Rick Pitino
John Beilien
+24 others that I don't have the time to mention.
Thanks.
Glad everyone is so willing to talk themselves into Martin. Right now, he's the cute girl in the corner that you are all clamoring for because you don't have the balls to ask the other hot babe to dance. The first babe said no and now your confidence is all messed up. I would understand that, if it weren't for the fact we are the starting QB on the team right now.
God...enough metaphors. I need some coffee.
And I really like Pastner. I recall he interviewed to be a top assistant under Buzz when he took the job. At that time, he was too green to be offered the job. I think Pastner's a great up and coming coach, personally. Not sure he's in my top 5, but he's a rock solid coach.
And two years of Calipari-stench isn't enough to turn me off of him long-term. He learned under Lute and has been a force of an AAU coach for years. Really plugged in and hasn't dropped off much in Memphis.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 29, 2014, 10:26:05 AM
What is the love affair for Pastner? Not picking on you, merely asking.
Chicosbailbonds, Pastner isnt that good of a coach, however hes an A+ recruiter. The knock on his teams is that they play "street ball". Dont know if this fan base would like that. ..
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 29, 2014, 10:26:05 AM
What is the love affair for Pastner? Not picking on you, merely asking.
Five years at Memphis, and his worst record is 24-10 (twice). And his recruiting record is better than Martin or Buzz. If the goal is a young, energetic guy with a (brief) track record of success, Pastner has shown me more than Martin.
Oh, and for those giving credit to Martin for following the Pearl fiasco, recall that Pastner followed Cal, who got Memphis in a bit of hot water himself.
Why is is that many give Martin "credit" for following after Pearl, but Pastner "suspicion" for following after Cal?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 29, 2014, 10:37:46 AM
Five years at Memphis, and his worst record is 24-10 (twice). And his recruiting record is better than Martin or Buzz. If the goal is a young, energetic guy with a (brief) track record of success, Pastner has shown me more than Martin.
Oh, and for those giving credit to Martin for following the Pearl fiasco, recall that Pastner followed Cal, who got Memphis in a bit of hot water himself.
What has Pastner done in the tournament? His teams never even made the sweet 16
Quote from: atk13thst on March 29, 2014, 10:40:32 AM
What has Pastner done in the tournament? His teams never even made the sweet 16
Never in 4 tries, huh? C'mon.
Bo Ryan has never made the Final Four, often with very high seeds....what a loser.
That said, I have no idea why anyone is even talking about Pastner. Why would he leave Memphis to come to MU?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 29, 2014, 10:45:52 AM
Never in 4 tries, huh? C'mon.
Bo Ryan has never made the Final Four, often with very high seeds....what a loser.
That said, I have no idea why anyone is even talking about Pastner. Why would he leave Memphis to come to MU?
Exactly
I don't think Josh is anymore that a pipe dream, but he would be my absolute first choice even over Shaka. Young, great recruiter who seems to have an incredibly high ceiling.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 29, 2014, 10:45:52 AM
Never in 4 tries, huh? C'mon.
Bo Ryan has never made the Final Four, often with very high seeds....what a loser.
That said, I have no idea why anyone is even talking about Pastner. Why would he leave Memphis to come to MU?
Cuonzo made the sweet 16 in 3 tries by the way
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 29, 2014, 10:37:46 AM
Five years at Memphis, and his worst record is 24-10 (twice). And his recruiting record is better than Martin or Buzz. If the goal is a young, energetic guy with a (brief) track record of success, Pastner has shown me more than Martin.
Oh, and for those giving credit to Martin for following the Pearl fiasco, recall that Pastner followed Cal, who got Memphis in a bit of hot water himself.
Why is is that many give Martin "credit" for following after Pearl, but Pastner "suspicion" for following after Cal?
Ask yourself what the bigger challenge is. Follow a coach that was fired for rules violations where you have nowhere to go but up, or follow a coach that had the best winning percentage in school history and came off a Final Four run? Plus you could argue the expectations are higher at Memphis than Tennessee for men's basketball.
Quote from: MUWeb7 on March 29, 2014, 10:24:33 AM
Inmates running the asylum?
The intent of my point was they would "gauge their interest"....not "pick the coach". Give them an additional bit of information when considering the candidates.
I don't see how you gauge interest without some implication of them having a seat at the table for the hiring of a head coach. Just ask Ben H. or Bruce Weber how things work out when you blur the lines. Short answer is it doesn't. I am so ready to be done with this process, I don't see many great options out there for MU. I think we will be just fine though maybe a 20% chance we slide back into mediocrity?
Quote from: Heavy Gear on March 29, 2014, 09:43:53 AM
No proof he can recruit at a high level. And listing all the players he's missed out on does not help your argument. Plus, the SEC isn't exactly known for their commitment to academics.
Landing two 5* players at UT in a three year tenure isn't high level recruiting? What am I missing?
Pastner advocates: what makes you think he wants any part of MU? Why would he leave Memphis?
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 29, 2014, 10:57:14 AM
Pastner advocates: what makes you think he wants any part of MU? Why would he leave Memphis?
Long shot isnt even the word. NO CHANCE
Wouldnt be happy with that hire anyway
Honestly I have the feeling that the top MU people looked long and hard in the mirror and decided that they don't aspire to being a final-four competitive program. They took their run at Smart, but when it didn't work they're sitting around thinking "we spend so much $ and who are we going to get? What are we going to win for that $? Anything?" And now are going to hire someone who will have us in the running for the NCAA every year and every once in while luck our way into the 2nd weekend.
Really, if the university aspires to greatness then there are a big list of coaches that should never have been considered. Those coaches are being considered (per Goodman). That leaves me with the feeling that the school is trying to find a way to dial back the commitment to nationally competitive basketball.
"2. Martin's job is safe, but will he stay put?
This tournament run was Cuonzo Martin's vindication. More than 36,000 fans had signed an online petition to remove the Tennessee coach in favor of the man he replaced, Bruce Pearl. There were rumblings of buying out the final $1.56 million on his deal.
But that was before the First Four win over Iowa, a second-round victory vs. UMass and ripping Cinderella Mercer by 20 to reach the Sweet 16.
Athletic director Dave Hart has yet to offer any statement on whether Martin will be retained, though he offered his coach a congratulatory postgame hug after beating Mercer.
Now, Vols fans have created a new petition, this one calling for Martin to get a raise and an extension. He certainly would seem in line for both of those things. The question is, will he bite? Will the lack of public support before the tournament lead him to look at openings at Boston College, Marquette or Wake Forest?
Suddenly, Martin's future looks to be in his hands, a change in the narrative from before this tourney started."
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on March 29, 2014, 11:02:17 AM
Honestly I have the feeling that the top MU people looked long and hard in the mirror and decided that they don't aspire to being a final-four competitive program. They took their run at Smart, but when it didn't work they're sitting around thinking "we spend so much $ and who are we going to get? What are we going to win for that $? Anything?" And now are going to hire someone who will have us in the running for the NCAA every year and every once in while luck our way into the 2nd weekend.
Really, if the university aspires to greatness then there are a big list of coaches that should never have been considered. Those coaches are being considered (per Goodman). That leaves me with the feeling that the school is trying to find a way to dial back the commitment to nationally competitive basketball.
Pretty much what the doomsayers were saying six years ago. Couldn't land Miller or Bennett, so the administration threw in the towel on the program and settled for an unknown assistant.
Wrong then, wrong now.
This is a post on Scout from RynoVol and gives a perspective from a Tennessee fan...
"If I may, as one Vol fan who would not be crushed to see you get Martin, I want to explain why. His time has been up and down. He overachieved the first season, but didn't make the dance. He underachieved last season and we embarassed ourselves by losing to Mercer in an NIT game the players had no interest in playing.
This season we underachieved until the last quarter of the season. We had a roster of three players who had made an all-SEC team in McRae, Maymon, and Stokes but was sitting at 7-7 in a weak SEC (after the big three) in mid February. We could beat Virginia by 35 in December, but we were swept by Texas A&M. You really never knew which team would show up.
This team was pegged for the top 25 preseason, but I don't think we spent any time ranked. We were a bubble team from the start, which is underachieving. Only the four game winning streak at the end of the conference season got us in the tournament in a play-in game.
I don't think beating a free falling Iowa, an overrated UMass, and a lesser talented Mercer team totally makes up for a regular season of double digit losses, but it has probably bought Martin an extension, which he didn't get last year, and a raise. The question is, does he want to stay?
Pearl's style of play and ferocious marketing of the program and himself won him a lot of fans in Knoxville, and Martin is the polar opposite in every regard. We keep waiting for Martin's first technical, and he's had plenty of opportunities to show a little fire and have his players' backs.
Martin may say he was immune to the criticism, but when the heat got the hottest, the team suddenly developed consistency. Many players complained about the fans' criticism of the team, but turned it up when they realized Martin was in serious trouble. I don't think it's outrageous to say that had Iowa gotten one more point in regulation last week, that Martin would probably have been let go. It's been like that all year, and he may just decide to get out while he's on a high note."
Just don't have a good vibe that's all.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 29, 2014, 10:52:33 AM
Landing two 5* players at UT in a three year tenure isn't high level recruiting? What am I missing?
Not when the rest of his recruits were 2 and 3 star guys.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on March 29, 2014, 11:02:17 AM
That leaves me with the feeling that the school is trying to find a way to dial back the commitment to nationally competitive basketball.
None of us really have a handle on what the admin is thinking. That said I would really doubt that you are correct. For one thing from a business standpoint its very difficult to put the genie back in the bottle. Even if MU hires some lesser known they will be likely to pay him well over 1M. Even when Mr Unknown Buzz was hired we paid him just shy of $1M (I remember guys on this board were shocked at what we paid). The issue is that if you under pay just because you can get away with it you set yourself up for the guy to look at other jobs if he is successful because he feels he was taken advantage of. Of course if he is a bust that doesn't happen but I hardly think Cords is planning for a Bust. All the other trappings of the program are probably in place to stay. What are they going to tell the new coach. "We expect you to win BUT we're not going to give you any of the perks like assistant pay, charter flights, private plane access that we gave Buzz". They might dial it back a little but I can't see them canceling all their momentum because they suddenly want to save a few bucks. We may end up with a what we view as a lesser hire but it won't be because MU suddenly decided to go on a saving spree.
Quote from: mechaghidorah on March 29, 2014, 11:14:10 AM
This is a post on Scout from RynoVol and gives a perspective from a Tennessee fan...
"If I may, as one Vol fan who would not be crushed to see you get Martin, I want to explain why. His time has been up and down. He overachieved the first season, but didn't make the dance. He underachieved last season and we embarassed ourselves by losing to Mercer in an NIT game the players had no interest in playing.
This season we underachieved until the last quarter of the season. We had a roster of three players who had made an all-SEC team in McRae, Maymon, and Stokes but was sitting at 7-7 in a weak SEC (after the big three) in mid February. We could beat Virginia by 35 in December, but we were swept by Texas A&M. You really never knew which team would show up.
This team was pegged for the top 25 preseason, but I don't think we spent any time ranked. We were a bubble team from the start, which is underachieving. Only the four game winning streak at the end of the conference season got us in the tournament in a play-in game.
I don't think beating a free falling Iowa, an overrated UMass, and a lesser talented Mercer team totally makes up for a regular season of double digit losses, but it has probably bought Martin an extension, which he didn't get last year, and a raise. The question is, does he want to stay?
Pearl's style of play and ferocious marketing of the program and himself won him a lot of fans in Knoxville, and Martin is the polar opposite in every regard. We keep waiting for Martin's first technical, and he's had plenty of opportunities to show a little fire and have his players' backs.
Martin may say he was immune to the criticism, but when the heat got the hottest, the team suddenly developed consistency. Many players complained about the fans' criticism of the team, but turned it up when they realized Martin was in serious trouble. I don't think it's outrageous to say that had Iowa gotten one more point in regulation last week, that Martin would probably have been let go. It's been like that all year, and he may just decide to get out while he's on a high note."
So, when the pressure rose and expectations got higher Cuonzo found a way to breakthrough to his team and get them to rally together to accomplish something of note not often accomplished in the history of Tennessee basketball? Jesus, he is a terrible coach.
Quote from: MUWeb7 on March 29, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
Perhaps a silly question...but would it be possible they would approach current players/future recruits and gauge their interest in the next candidate?
Seems like they would want to get a feel for what the players/future players would want. Give a different perspective and allow for the maximum stability following a hire. Plus get an indication on what future players may be looking for.
Combine that with whomever aligns with the administration/University needs/wants...and go after that person hard.
you're right--silly question.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on March 29, 2014, 11:02:17 AM
Honestly I have the feeling that the top MU people looked long and hard in the mirror and decided that they don't aspire to being a final-four competitive program. They took their run at Smart, but when it didn't work they're sitting around thinking "we spend so much $ and who are we going to get? What are we going to win for that $? Anything?" And now are going to hire someone who will have us in the running for the NCAA every year and every once in while luck our way into the 2nd weekend.
Really, if the university aspires to greatness then there are a big list of coaches that should never have been considered. Those coaches are being considered (per Goodman). That leaves me with the feeling that the school is trying to find a way to dial back the commitment to nationally competitive basketball.
If they are thinking that they do not want to be "final four competitive", might as well pack it in now and try D-3 BB. Most fans want them to be that competitive.
Quote from: mechaghidorah on March 29, 2014, 11:14:10 AM
This is a post on Scout from RynoVol and gives a perspective from a Tennessee fan...
"If I may, as one Vol fan who would not be crushed to see you get Martin, I want to explain why. His time has been up and down. He overachieved the first season, but didn't make the dance. He underachieved last season and we embarassed ourselves by losing to Mercer in an NIT game the players had no interest in playing.
This season we underachieved until the last quarter of the season. We had a roster of three players who had made an all-SEC team in McRae, Maymon, and Stokes but was sitting at 7-7 in a weak SEC (after the big three) in mid February. We could beat Virginia by 35 in December, but we were swept by Texas A&M. You really never knew which team would show up.
This team was pegged for the top 25 preseason, but I don't think we spent any time ranked. We were a bubble team from the start, which is underachieving. Only the four game winning streak at the end of the conference season got us in the tournament in a play-in game.
I don't think beating a free falling Iowa, an overrated UMass, and a lesser talented Mercer team totally makes up for a regular season of double digit losses, but it has probably bought Martin an extension, which he didn't get last year, and a raise. The question is, does he want to stay?
Pearl's style of play and ferocious marketing of the program and himself won him a lot of fans in Knoxville, and Martin is the polar opposite in every regard. We keep waiting for Martin's first technical, and he's had plenty of opportunities to show a little fire and have his players' backs.
Martin may say he was immune to the criticism, but when the heat got the hottest, the team suddenly developed consistency. Many players complained about the fans' criticism of the team, but turned it up when they realized Martin was in serious trouble. I don't think it's outrageous to say that had Iowa gotten one more point in regulation last week, that Martin would probably have been let go. It's been like that all year, and he may just decide to get out while he's on a high note."
taking this guy appears to be settling like some say about Wardle.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 29, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
So, when the pressure rose and expectations got higher Cuonzo found a way to breakthrough to his team and get them to rally together to accomplish something of note not often accomplished in the history of Tennessee basketball? Jesus, he is a terrible coach.
Yeah I couldn't quite figure out how he tried to spin that as a negative
Didn't have the patience to read through 9 pages of thread so apologies for any repeats.
I like Cuonzo and here is why.
1. Turned an awful Missouri State team into conference champions in two years
2. Knows the Chicago area
3. Handled Tennessee post-Pearl extremely well
4. Will bring a fantastic set of assistants with him, John Harris and Tracy Webster
5. Has some recruits we could poach
6. Younger energetic coach who is known for his ability to connect with players
7. Strong development from players
8. Passes the sniff test with flying colors
9. Head coaching experience
10. Think he manages to hold onto most of our recruits
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2014, 11:12:34 AM
Pretty much what the doomsayers were saying six years ago. Couldn't land Miller or Bennett, so the administration threw in the towel on the program and settled for an unknown assistant.
Wrong then, wrong now.
My thoughts exactly. And I was one of the people unhappy with Buzz' hiring at the time. I was wrong.
That earlier post from the Tennessee fan forum bugs me when it talks about Cuonzo's lack of fire on the sidelines and in the game. I could see us all getting upset if we don't see passion on the sidelines. I am one who likes to see it at least a little. It bothers me to see a coach with no emotion on the sidelines. Maybe that's just me. I was swinging Martin's way but that's a red flag for me. I guess others are that way too like Bennett but for whatever reason I like Bennett better. Wish we could get him. Not going to happen.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 29, 2014, 11:27:47 AM
you're right--silly question.
Care to expand?
You think these kids have been living under a rock? They hear what you hear. They know who is being talked about and you can guarantee several of them (especially recruits) will leave if x coach is hired vs y coach. I'm not saying allow them to chose a coach. I'm saying, just talk to them. See what they are feeling. Don't give them a list and have them choose or rate coaches.
Understand what players want and future players want, if you hire someone that no recruits are interested in, we slip to mid-major status quick.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
Goose .... i wasn't speaking only of you, and I'm not trying to be jag here, but since you responded .... over the past couple years, your insider information has told us that the MU administration intended to scale back its commitment to basketball, had a handshake agreement for Buzz to leave after the 2012, then 2013, seasons, and that Shaka was the guy (among other claims). NONE of these things occurred.
So, perhaps you'll forgive my skepticism.
Geese flock to MU
Better Goose than a Ganzer
For sources of note
Quote from: GoldenEagle2002 on March 29, 2014, 12:16:53 PM
That earlier post from the Tennessee fan forum bugs me when it talks about Cuonzo's lack of fire on the sidelines and in the game. I could see us all getting upset if we don't see passion on the sidelines. I am one who likes to see it at least a little. It bothers me to see a coach with no emotion on the sidelines. Maybe that's just me. I was swinging Martin's way but that's a red flag for me. I guess others are that way too like Bennett but for whatever reason I like Bennett better. Wish we could get him. Not going to happen.
Cuonzo is fool's gold. Look at last night's game. Tennessee looked lost on defense the first half. You could tell they weren't prepped for the game. They reminded me of Crean's 1 and done MU teams. Of course, after Tennessee's back is against the wall, they play like gangbusters in the 2nd half. Had Cuonzo gotten his team to play any defense in the first half, Tennessee wins the game.
You can apply the same inconsistency to his recruiting. Sure, he nabbed a couple of top 100 recruits.... but (1 of which gets an offensive foul with the last shot last night) then he gets 2 star recruits as well. After he loses his seniors this year (4 of them, mostly Pearl recruits) there isn't much left on the team.
Cuonzo, at his best, is MU caliber, but once you throw in the frequent lows of coaching and recruiting, you get a bad taste in your mouth. He's a hot name right now, but if you truly know X's and O's, he's not your guy.
Just got notified from the Score Center app that he's our #1 target.
Quote from: klyrish on March 29, 2014, 01:22:04 PM
Just got notified from the Score Center app that he's our #1 target.
ESPN just confirmed:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10694221/cuonzo-martin-target-marquette-golden-eagles
@GoodmanESPN: Marquette is targeting Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin, multiple sources told ESPN. Ben Howland also in the mix: http://t.co/XRMo3GDv6G
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 29, 2014, 01:15:24 PM
Cuonzo is fool's gold. Look at last night's game. Tennessee looked lost on defense the first half. You could tell they weren't prepped for the game. They reminded me of Crean's 1 and done MU teams. Of course, after Tennessee's back is against the wall, they play like gangbusters in the 2nd half. Had Cuonzo gotten his team to play any defense in the first half, Tennessee wins the game.
You can apply the same inconsistency to his recruiting. Sure, he nabbed a couple of top 100 recruits.... but (1 of which gets an offensive foul with the last shot last night) then he gets 2 star recruits as well. After he loses his seniors this year (4 of them, mostly Pearl recruits) there isn't much left on the team.
Cuonzo, at his best, is MU caliber, but once you throw in the frequent lows of coaching and recruiting, you get a bad taste in your mouth. He's a hot name right now, but if you truly know X's and O's, he's not your guy.
I want a coach that won't recruit a top 100 recruit that commits an offensive foul, down 1 in a Sweet 16 game. Is that too much to ask for?
Quote from: windyplayer on March 29, 2014, 01:28:51 PM
I want a coach that won't recruit a top 100 recruit that commits an offensive foul, down 1 in a Sweet 16 game. Is that too much to ask for?
You, too, have a great signature.
Quote from: windyplayer on March 29, 2014, 01:28:51 PM
I want a coach that won't recruit a top 100 recruit that commits an offensive foul, down 1 in a Sweet 16 game. Is that too much to ask for?
You want a coach that doesnt play his best players too huh? Lol
Quote from: atk13thst on March 29, 2014, 02:51:54 PM
You want a coach that doesnt play his best players too huh? Lol
How about a coach that doesn't give the ball to a moron to take the final shot?!!
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 29, 2014, 01:25:15 PM
@GoodmanESPN: Marquette is targeting Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin, multiple sources told ESPN. Ben Howland also in the mix: http://t.co/XRMo3GDv6G
We can only hope Martin, like Smart, is too good for us! Then the experts can default to the best choice, Howland.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 29, 2014, 02:58:37 PM
How about a coach that doesn't give the ball to a moron to take the final shot?!!
Are you referring to the game last night or the time Derrick Wilson took a wide open 12 footer that everyone knew had no chance of going in?
Forgive me but I am confused.
Admittedly I did not know anything about him until the coaching search. Wasnt hot on him at first but after doing some research I dont think he would be a bad hire. I think it is easier to recruit at MU then tennessee just because of location and resources. Pretty young, seems like a players coach to help recruits stick around. I dunno, well see but Ive been warming up to him.
Be like hiring Chris Lowery, whom many were hoping for Cottingham to hire.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 29, 2014, 03:04:30 PM
Are you referring to the game last night or the time Derrick Wilson took a wide open 12 footer that everyone knew had no chance of going in?
Forgive me but I am confused.
We were referring to one of (4 star recruit), Juan Anderson's 5 FG attempts vs. New Hampshire.
Christ people. Enough of the "he's younger so he can truly 'get' today's generation" mumbo jumbo.
You know what kids get? Winning.
That's all Howland has done. Ever.
If they pick Martin over Howland it'll suck.