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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on March 28, 2014, 03:54:21 PM
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I've heard this is the hold up. Have others heard this?
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Ive heard that youve heard it - does that count? Also, where'd you hear it? And who are you? (j/k of course)
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I've heard this is the hold up. Have others heard this?
That would be very unfortunate if true.
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That would be very unfortunate if true.
which leads us back to....Brian Wardle
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I've heard this is the hold up. Have others heard this?
Heisenberg, how trustworthy is your source?
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Prefers a young, up-and-coming assistant?
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I've heard this is the hold up. Have others heard this?
Yes. I heard it from Heisenberg. Haven't seen it on twitter yet, but I'll fix that now.
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Yes. I heard it from Heisenberg. Haven't seen it on twitter yet, but I'll fix that now.
we're quoting the guy who said UW wasn't going to make the tournament and now has an excellent shot at winning it? That Heisenberg?
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Yes. I heard it from Heisenberg. Haven't seen it on twitter yet, but I'll fix that now.
I thought he died in the lab last year.
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I hope this is as true as just about everything else I have read on here this week.
Howland has to be priority #1
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I don't know, one thing that concerned me about that SI article was that BH is apparently a ridiculous control freak - yelling at assistants and team managers for things like the temperature in the film room or how cold the water bottles are. Maybe its not all true but if he turns out to be another arrogant eccentric type we could have another falling out in a couple years.
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I don't know, one thing that concerned me about that SI article was that BH is apparently a ridiculous control freak - yelling at assistants and team managers for things like the temperature in the film room or how cold the water bottles are. Maybe its not all true but if he turns out to be another arrogant eccentric type we could have another falling out in a couple years.
Have you ever met Dick Strong???? I have. Howland's an amateur if this is the yard stick.
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Have you ever met Dick Strong???? I have. Howland's an amateur if this is the yard stick.
Ooooooooooooooooo! Dick Strong just got burned!
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Here we go again...
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I've heard this is the hold up. Have others heard this?
No idea if this is true....I would suggest since you aren't sure and asking others, you may want to put a "?" in your title
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No idea if this is true....I would suggest since you aren't sure and asking others, you may want to put a "?" in your title
Done
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No idea if this is true....I would suggest since you aren't sure and asking others, you may want to put a "?" in your title
Personal responsibility? ;D
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we're quoting the guy who said UW wasn't going to make the tournament and now has an excellent shot at winning it? That Heisenberg?
You forgot that I also said MU would make the tourney. So get it right!!!
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Heisenberg, how trustworthy is your source?
Depends, How trustworthy is Dick Strong?
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if your sources knew this, you'd know a lot more.
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So Dick Strong told you that Dick Strong does not like Ben Howland and you are looking here for confirmation that this is true?
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Prefers a young, up-and-coming assistant?
Must want to party like it's 1999.
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#dickstrong
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Well, it seem a somebody doesn't. Could be Lovell, Cords, BoT, who knows. Couple possible scenarios....1) they are in fact, not interested for whatever reason(s), or 2) there is mutual interest and he is content to allow the to get through all the dances, due diligence, make sure the world knows they looked at minority candidates, etc. if MU passes on him, he could likely go to WF tomorrow.
The more I think about it, the more I think I may be onto something with this LaVall Jordan thing. Not my pick necessarily, but might be my prediction.
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Must want to party like it's 1999.
Like UNC hiring Matt Dougherty!
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I've heard this is the hold up. Have others heard this?
Another internet rumor started! Nice!
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#dickstrong
We need to get this trending ASAP.
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Theoretically, could our brand new president overrule him?
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So Dick Strong told you that Dick Strong does not like Ben Howland and you are looking here for confirmation that this is true?
Frozena works for Dick at Baraboo Captial ... It is actually Frozena that is running things threw Dick. "Encouraging" Buzz to leave (Rob wanted him gone) and Frozena did not bless Howland.
Frozena actually runs MU basketball via Dick Strong.
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Only if we pay him with theoretical money
Theoretically, could our brand new president overrule him?
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Theoretically, could our brand new president overrule him?
Dick has the checkbook
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I would have to think someone high up does not want him. What appears as obvious choice to many on here appears to be met by Resistance at MU. Have to say I thought he was logical pick it no Shaka.
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Like I said earlier, if Ben was gonna be our next coach then he would've been hired a few days ago.
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This is turning into a circus of epic proportions.
If we let Howland get away, whomever is responsible is an idiot.
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I would have to think someone high up does not want him. What appears as obvious choice to many on here appears to be met by Resistance at MU. Have to say I thought he was logical pick it no Shaka.
MU has always gone with the up and coming younger guy. They obviously have someone or multiple people ranked above Howland on their list. Most likely, this person is still in the tournament. Next week will be interesting after we have 12 teams ousted from the tourney. Perhaps the rumor mill will pick up again, come Monday. If not, then we can assume the target is in the final four.
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So, just to get things straight, there are "higher-ups" that do not like Ben Howland (who has consistently proven to be a winner and led teams to several Final Fours), and actually prefer a Brian Wardle or Cuonzo Martin (who has yet to prove to be a consistent winner/recruiter at higher levels)?
Excuse me while I go bang my face against the wall. ::)
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MU has always gone with the up and coming younger guy. They obviously have someone or multiple people ranked above Howland on their list. Most likely, this person is still in the tournament. Next week will be interesting after we have 12 teams ousted from the tourney. Perhaps the rumor mill will pick up again, come Monday. If not, then we can assume the target is in the final four.
Or the NIT!!!!
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Have you ever met Dick Strong???? I have. Howland's an amateur if this is the yard stick.
Many odd stories. Legendary tales of him stopping meetings, calling in janitor to fix the tiny screws on the electrical covers so they all lined up the same way. Or the one where he interviewed an incoming manager and only talked about the guys shoes for the entire interview.
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So, just to get things straight, there are "higher-ups" that do not like Ben Howland (who has consistently proven to be a winner and led teams to several Final Fours), and actually prefer a Brian Wardle or Cuonzo Martin (who has yet to prove to be a consistent winner/recruiter at higher levels)?
Excuse me while I go bang my face against the wall. ::)
Apparently so. It's gonna get ugly around here pretty soon....
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Many do stories. Legendary tales of him stopping meetings, calling in janitor to fix the tiny screws on the electrical covers so they all lined up the same way. Or the one where he interviewed an incoming manager and only talked about the guys shoes for the entire interview.
It would have been interesting to listen to Strong and Buzz have a conversation. Something tells me that it would have been the most interesting conversation about shoe laces known to mankind.
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Many odd stories. Legendary tales of him stopping meetings, calling in janitor to fix the tiny screws on the electrical covers so they all lined up the same way. Or the one where he interviewed an incoming manager and only talked about the guys shoes for the entire interview.
I'd like to hear some more stories.
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This is turning into a circus of epic proportions.
If we let Howland get away, whomever is responsible is an idiot.
Actually, it's not.
If you take a moment and step outside the batcrap insanity of Scoop, this coaching search gets no play in the public consciousness. I talked to a basketball coach last night here in Jersey and he didn't know Shaka was a possibility. People outside the fanbase rarely pay attention until a name is announced on the bottom line of a certain four letter network.
I'll tell you one circus of epic proportions people know about.......South Florida. The Bulls spent 11 days vetting and interviewing candidates only having to terminate the guy they settled on since he lied about a college degree. That's a clusterunnatural carnal knowledge.
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Many do stories. Legendary tales of him stopping meetings, calling in janitor to fix the tiny screws on the electrical covers so they all lined up the same way. Or the one where he interviewed an incoming manager and only talked about the guys shoes for the entire interview.
yup...and not a guy who feels the need to play by the rules or cares about howland's personality...but there are no sources talking about what dick strong wants or doesn't want. obviously something isn't perfect, but this "i have sources" crap is pathetic. it's an easy guess that anyone who follows MU basketball can make...lots of people trying to act like their in the know, imho.
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Many do stories. Legendary tales of him stopping meetings, calling in janitor to fix the tiny screws on the electrical covers so they all lined up the same way. Or the one where he interviewed an incoming manager and only talked about the guys shoes for the entire interview.
How does one make a billion dollars? Answer, by zigging when everyone else zags. By going left (or right) when the world goes right (or left). By doing these differently and taking the risk and willing to be lonely as no one thinks it will work.
So yes they are eccentric by nature ("eccentric" because they made a billion dollars, "nuts" if they do not). He will make more money during that interview talking about shoes than some will make in a lifetime. So if that is how he works, and his bank account has nine zeros, how can you argue with it?
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I think main things against Howland is ability to recruit and relate to kids, his age, UCLA mess he was part of and wanting too much money probably. No idea if Strong or anyone is anti Howland but think if they wanted him it would be done already.
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Respect the dick.
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Many odd stories. Legendary tales of him stopping meetings, calling in janitor to fix the tiny screws on the electrical covers so they all lined up the same way. Or the one where he interviewed an incoming manager and only talked about the guys shoes for the entire interview.
I can confirm the screws on the switch plates as I was one of the people who would turn them off horizontal to see how long it would take to be discovered. NEVER longer than one day.
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Dick Strong should be in MU basketball Hall of Fame. He has made more happen than the two previous coaches combined.
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Actually, it's not.
If you take a moment and step outside the batcrap insanity of Scoop, this coaching search gets no play in the public consciousness. I talked to a basketball coach last night here in Jersey and he didn't know Shaka was a possibility. People outside the fanbase rarely pay attention until a name is announced on the bottom line of a certain four letter network.
I'll tell you one circus of epic proportions people know about.......South Florida. The Bulls spent 11 days vetting and interviewing candidates only having to terminate the guy they settled on since he lied about a college degree. That's a clusterunnatural carnal knowledge.
But after Howland publicly expressing interest in MU, if we end up with one of guys mentioned, it's going to leave plenty of people thinking MU is still "just a stepping stone" program. Howland could change that image in a heartbeat.
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Gooooo
Agreed on that. Cords said we are not stepping stone job and they need to hire to prove that.
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It would have been interesting to listen to Strong and Buzz have a conversation. Something tells me that it would have been the most interesting conversation about shoe laces known to mankind.
Strong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
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Strong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
Cant believe u just wrote a narrative. You must be bored man lol
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How does one make a billion dollars? Answer, by zigging when everyone else zags. By going left (or right) when the world goes right (or left). By doing these differently and taking the risk and willing to be lonely as no one thinks it will work.
So yes they are eccentric by nature ("eccentric" because they made a billion dollars, "nuts" if they do not). He will make more money during that interview talking about shoes than some will make in a lifetime. So if that is how he works, and his bank account has nine zeros, how can you argue with it?
you can talk to many people that know dick strong well and they'll tell you how he made his money. there's a reason he's not dealing in securities anymore.
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you can talk to many people that know dick strong well and they'll tell you how he made his money. there's a reason he's not dealing in securities anymore.
I am certain it has something to do with that lifetime ban handed to him by the SEC (not the one where they play great football).
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you can talk to many people that know dick strong well and they'll tell you how he made his money. there's a reason he's not dealing in securities anymore.
He's been banned from the industry for "market timing" trades. Eliot Spitzer (aka client number 9) brought him down.
He lost most of his money and then started baraboo and made most of it back.
You could start the guy with zero today and he will be worth hundreds of millions in a few years.
He knows how to make money. That he is good at.
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He's been banned from the industry for "market timing" trades. Eliot Spitzer (aka client number 9) brought him down.
He lost most of his money and then started baraboo and made most of it back.
You could start the guy with zero today and he will be worth hundreds of millions in a few years.
He knows how to make money. That he is good at.
That's not true. He had an offer to sell Strong Capital for close to $1.0 billion from a firm in the UK. This pre-dated the Spitzer stuff. Post Spitzer, he had to sell and Wells Fargo was the buyer. I have heard the number was around $600 million.
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Respect the dick.
Heard he has an affinity for Mike Hunt. (sorry)
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You forgot that I also said MU would make the tourney. So get it right!!!
+1. Well-played, sir.
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Dick Strong = Happy from Blue Chips????????
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I don't know, one thing that concerned me about that SI article was that BH is apparently a ridiculous control freak - yelling at assistants and team managers for things like the temperature in the film room or how cold the water bottles are. Maybe its not all true but if he turns out to be another arrogant eccentric type we could have another falling out in a couple years.
Crazy attention to detail is a part of genius. One of those double edged sword situations.
I've heard stories from former Strong Fund employees that all of the screws on door hinges were perfectly aligned and symmetrical.
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Strong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
[/quoteStrong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
Strong: Buzz...... I, I, I, just can't get passed how you leave them untied. *wipes away sweat* I......I need to tie them. They're making me feel .... unclean.
Buzz: Mr. Strong, you're a smarter man than I am. I can tie my laces, but if you take the ST out of your name, then you know how I feel about this matter.
Strong: *face gets redder* Tie the damn laces!!!
Buzz: I'm humbled by your passion Mr. Strong. I feel as if you are the backbone of the Marquette community.Strong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
Strong: Buzz...... I, I, I, just can't get passed how you leave them untied. *wipes away sweat* I......I need to tie them. They're making me feel .... unclean.
Buzz: Mr. Strong, you're a smarter man than I am. I can tie my laces, but if you take the ST out of your name, then you know how I feel about this matter.
Strong: *face gets redder* Tie the damn laces!!!
Buzz: I'm humbled by your passion Mr. Strong. I feel as if you are the backbone of the Marquette community.Strong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
Strong: Buzz...... I, I, I, just can't get passed how you leave them untied. *wipes away sweat* I......I need to tie them. They're making me feel .... unclean.
Buzz: Mr. Strong, you're a smarter man than I am. I can tie my laces, but if you take the ST out of your name, then you know how I feel about this matter.
Strong: *face gets redder* Tie the damn laces!!!
Buzz: I'm humbled by your passion Mr. Strong. I feel as if you are the backbone of the Marquette community.Strong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
Strong: Buzz...... I, I, I, just can't get passed how you leave them untied. *wipes away sweat* I......I need to tie them. They're making me feel .... unclean.
Buzz: Mr. Strong, you're a smarter man than I am. I can tie my laces, but if you take the ST out of your name, then you know how I feel about this matter.
Strong: *face gets redder* Tie the damn laces!!!
Buzz: I'm humbled by your passion Mr. Strong. I feel as if you are the backbone of the Marquette community.Strong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
Strong: Buzz...... I, I, I, just can't get passed how you leave them untied. *wipes away sweat* I......I need to tie them. They're making me feel .... unclean.
Buzz: Mr. Strong, you're a smarter man than I am. I can tie my laces, but if you take the ST out of your name, then you know how I feel about this matter.
Strong: *face gets redder* Tie the damn laces!!!
Buzz: I'm humbled by your passion Mr. Strong. I feel as if you are the backbone of the Marquette community.Strong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
Strong: Buzz...... I, I, I, just can't get passed how you leave them untied. *wipes away sweat* I......I need to tie them. They're making me feel .... unclean.
Buzz: Mr. Strong, you're a smarter man than I am. I can tie my laces, but if you take the ST out of your name, then you know how I feel about this matter.
Strong: *face gets redder* Tie the damn laces!!!
Buzz: I'm humbled by your passion Mr. Strong. I feel as if you are the backbone of the Marquette community.
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Strong: Your shoes are untied.
Buzz: Shoelaces are what tie our lives together. They are our foundation for finding success. An untied shoelace causes a man to fall.
Strong: That's nice, but they are really untied.
Buzz: It is only when we trip and fall that our true character is revealed.
Strong: So... you'll leave them untied then?
Buzz: I'm a grinder.
that's awesome.
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Dick Strong should be in MU basketball Hall of Fame. He has made more happen than the two previous coaches combined.
+ whatever is the maximim
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Does this guy control everything? Not buying it. he had to approve Buzz, then approved him leaving, and now gets to approve the new hire.
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I think main things against Howland is ability to recruit and relate to kids, his age, UCLA mess he was part of and wanting too much money probably. No idea if Strong or anyone is anti Howland but think if they wanted him it would be done already.
Howland landed the top class in the nation less than two years ago.
But maybe kids have changed a lot in the past 20 months.
And none of you have the first clue what Dick Strong wants.
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Howland landed the top class in the nation less than two years ago.
But maybe have changed a lot in the past 20 months.
And none of you have the first clue what Dick Strong wants.
AMEN
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Howland landed the top class in the nation less than two years ago.
But maybe have changed a lot in the past 20 months.
And none of you have the first clue what Dick Strong wants.
Yeeeeahhh buddy!
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Live strong. Dick strong.
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Dick Strong is a winner and I hope he has a major, major say in the process.
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Dick Strong is a winner and I hope he has a major, major say in the process.
As long as he wants Howland. Otherwise he's a loser and I hope he has zero, zilch say in the process. :D
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If Cuonzo is Marquette's (current) favorite, do we root for or against Tennessee? Do we want him hired sooner or experience more success?
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How does one make a billion dollars? Answer, by zigging when everyone else zags. By going left (or right) when the world goes right (or left). By doing these differently and taking the risk and willing to be lonely as no one thinks it will work.
So yes they are eccentric by nature ("eccentric" because they made a billion dollars, "nuts" if they do not). He will make more money during that interview talking about shoes than some will make in a lifetime. So if that is how he works, and his bank account has nine zeros, how can you argue with it?
Well, the point of an interview is to get to know what the interviewee is all about. To find out what is between the lines. If you want to know his skill level, just look at the resume.
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Do we have a fallback re: Martin if the Vols make the FF? Can't see him leaving if that happens
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So Dick Strong told you that Dick Strong does not like Ben Howland and you are looking here for confirmation that this is true?
Does he talk in the third person like Bob Dole?
[p.s. I can't resist and hate myself for this but, for anyone in Kenosha, Bob Dole was a senator and ran for president. ; ) Just kidding KW and hope you know I am just joking. I have much respect for you and what you do. God bless you.
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Do we have a fallback re: Martin if the Vols make the FF? Can't see him leaving if that happens
I think Martin would leave Tennessee in a second no matter what happens in the tournament.
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If Cuonzo is Marquette's (current) favorite, do we root for or against Tennessee? Do we want him hired sooner or experience more success?
48 hours ago, nobody mentioned Martin with the Marquette job.
Then Jason King sent out this tweet:
Not saying he's the No. 1 guy, but don't be surprised if Cuonzo Martin's name surfaces in the Marquette coaching search.
Now, based on nothing more but conjecture here, he's the the current favorite.
Scoop gets loopier by the hour.
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Does he talk in the third person like Bob Dole?
[p.s. I can't resist and hate myself for this but, for anyone in Kenosha, Bob Dole was a senator and ran for president. ; ) Just kidding KW and hope you know I am just joking. I have much respect for you and what you do. God bless you.
Isn't JayBee from Kenosha too?
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That's not true. He had an offer to sell Strong Capital for close to $1.0 billion from a firm in UK. This pre-dated the Spitzer stuff. Post Spitzer, he had to sell and Wells Fargo was the buyer. I have heard the number was around $600 million.
I have Strong Fund college 529s or whatever they are now. Locally, Ameriprise was the only selling when my kids were born. I know they morphed to Wells Fargo, then ING and now ING is changing names again.
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Dick Strong is a winner and I hope he has a major, major say in the process.
Amen.
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Dick Strong should be the spokesman for Viagra.
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I think Martin would leave Tennessee in a second no matter what happens in the tournament.
Yep. Cause he isn't that good a coach.
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The gentleman deserves our profound respect for his support of Marquette Basketball. Without it Marquette is a bigger St. Nobert's.
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Does he talk in the third person like Bob Dole?
Depends...!
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48 hours ago, nobody mentioned Martin with the Marquette job.
Then Jason King sent out this tweet:
Not saying he's the No. 1 guy, but don't be surprised if Cuonzo Martin's name surfaces in the Marquette coaching search.
Now, based on nothing more but conjecture here, he's the the current favorite.
Scoop gets loopier by the hour.
Goodman has mentioned a mystery candidate still coaching and Martin I think is at least a possibility.
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Not sure if it's Strong or MU, but Howland is not the next priority. However, this is coming from the same source that said Shaka was coming, so yeah.
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Dick Strong is a winner and I hope he has a major, major say in the process.
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2013/02/13/Glengarry-Glen-Ross-Grab_510x317.jpg)
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Dick Strong is the one who knocks.
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Goodman has mentioned a mystery candidate still coaching and Martin I think is at least a possibility.
Martin being a possible mystery candidate is quite a bit different from Martin being the current favorite.
For all I (we) know, MU loves Martin. But there's been nothing even hinted at to indicate that's the case.
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Better name:
Dick Strong or "legendary" race car driver Dick Trickle?
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Better name:
Dick Strong or "legendary" race car driver Dick Trickle?
I'd sure rather have the former.
Just think about starting a date with "Hi, I'm Dick Trickle." :-\
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If Cuonzo is Marquette's (current) favorite, do we root for or against Tennessee? Do we want him hired sooner or experience more success?
If Cuonzo is Marquette's current favorite, we have WAY more to worry about than whether Tenn wins tonight.
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Any idea how much Dick Strong has donated to MU? Is he a six figure annual donor?
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Better name:
Dick Strong or "legendary" race car driver Dick Trickle?
The former is a memory and the latter is reality. :(
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Any idea how much Dick Strong has donated to MU? Is he a six figure annual donor?
Do you mean 7 figures?
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Do you mean 7 figures?
8 figures
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Any idea how much Dick Strong has donated to MU? Is he a six figure annual donor?
The most.
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8 figures
Per year?
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The most... So more than $51million that the Missouri couple gave to MU?
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Better name:
Dick Strong or "legendary" race car driver Dick Trickle?
Another SNL skit waiting to be written. Dick strong and Dick Trickle go into a bar looking for chicks..............
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Let's take it easy on the jokes, we don't want Dick to get all bent out of shape.
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And none of you have the first clue what Dick Strong wants.
That's right. But whatever Dick Strong wants, Strong Dick gets. Dick Strong is not one to deny himself. And frankly, why should he?
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That's right. But whatever Dick Strong wants, Strong Dick gets. Dick Strong is not one to deny himself. And frankly, why should he?
Hard for him not to get what he wants.
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Hard for him not to get what he wants.
Dick Strong is a powerful, menacing presence with an insistence like no other. When Dick Strong stands up to be counted he will be heard!
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Dick Strong is a powerful, menacing presence with an insistence like no other. When Dick Strong stands up to be counted he will be heard!
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Frozena is the real power, Strong is just a front.
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Frozena is the real power, Strong is just a front.
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