Obviously, there are a lot of coaches names being thrown around as possibilities: Holland, Martin, Hopkins, Wardle, Bennett, and Miller to name a few.
A lot of opinions are thrown out who should be our next coach, but I'd like this posting to express your opinion with some empirical evidence as support (i.e. recruiting class ranks each year). I know there are a lot of very knowledgeable fans of basketball here. Who should be our next coach based upon more than just, "Hey, I like that guy as a coach," but some good reasons as to why they should be here at Marquette.
Ben F'n Howland. He should have been the target from the beginning. Final Four's, Conference Championships, NBA superstars...
His resume is better than the rest of the potential candidates combined, even if you include Shaka "Houdini" Smart.
1.) Shaka Smart
2.) Ben Howland
3.) Ben Howland
4.) Ben Howland
5.) Ben Howland
Resume on Ben speaks for itself
Martin is a good coach. GREAT recruiter. Almost reeled in Looney too.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 09:08:51 PM
Ben F'n Howland. He should have been the target from the beginning. Final Four's, Conference Championships, NBA superstars...
His resume is better than the rest of the potential candidates combined, even if you include Shaka "Houdini" Smart.
Holland does have a lot of players he coached that have been in the NBA, and for me, that is a strong argument for him...proven recruiter (though one could argue he also had UCLA to help and could that translate to MU).
Players in the NBA[edit]
Ben Howland has coached a number of players who later played professionally in the National Basketball Association (NBA)
Trevor Ariza
Dijon Thompson
Cedric Bozeman
Ryan Hollins
Jordan Farmar
Arron Afflalo
Russell Westbrook
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Kevin Love
Jrue Holiday
Darren Collison
Malcolm Lee
Tyler Honeycutt
Shabazz Muhammad
I think we overestimate the coaches previous recruiting classes in the process. Coaches at mid-majors aren't going to get 5-star players and rarely, if ever, a 4-star player.
That does not mean they can't recruit. Look at Shaka, Marshall, Miller (Dayton), etc. Those aren't schools that will get many - if any - 4 or 5 star guys. but they know how to recruit for their systems and moving to MU will give them a chance to go after higher ranked recruits.
One of the candidates that is still playing this weekend has his team ranked 16th in Offensive Efficiency and 15th in Defensive Efficiency in the country. He coaches at Tennessee. It was ludicrous for him to be on the hot seat.
Ben Howland. 2 BETs and 2 Sweet Sixteens in four years at Pitt. 4 PAC-12 titles and 3 Final Fours at UCLA. 14 players to the NBA.
Ya think Diamond would be interested in hearing Howland talk about Kevin Love?
Quote from: MUDPT on March 27, 2014, 09:13:27 PM
One of the candidates that is still playing this weekend has his team ranked 16th in Offensive Efficiency and 15th in Defensive Efficiency in the country. He coaches at Tennessee. It was ludicrous for him to be on the hot seat.
One tournament in 6 years and it was an 11 seed?
I don't dislike Martin, I just don't know if he has the credentials. He did a good job turning around Missouri St. and did a nice job in the second half of this season with Tennessee. Is that enough? I guess if we pissed off Howland enough with the Shaka "Houdini" Smart non-sense, Martin would be a good plan b.
Recruiting in college basketball is the key. You can't draft players. Coaches who recruit and get the best players, leading to more wins, games on national TV and the ultimate goal of the kids to get to the NBA. The resume of a coach can persuade the kid and his parents to a large degree. Diamond Stones of the world are not going to Indiana State.
The head coach could be an X and O's type guy, but brings in the best assistant recruiters with ties to the national AAU programs. Or the coach could be a great recruiter and brings in assistants who are well versed in X and O's. There are very few coaches who do both.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 09:08:51 PM
Ben F'n Howland. He should have been the target from the beginning. Final Four's, Conference Championships, NBA superstars...
His resume is better than the rest of the potential candidates combined, even if you include Shaka "Houdini" Smart.
/thread
Thoughts on Hopkins? He was recently ranked by his peers as the #2 best assistant for recruiting by an ESPN poll. My #1 reason we either wouldn't get him or he may not be a good idea, is if Bonheim retires or is going to retire soon, he makes sense to be the next successor.
Give me the best recruiting coach out there.They say the kids come because of the coach,can't get top talent,if they don't want to come.
Quote from: Jet915 on March 27, 2014, 09:17:28 PM
One tournament in 6 years and it was an 11 seed?
Do you think they should have been an 11 seed? They have won their tournament games by 13, 19, and 20 points (against an underrated 11, overrated 6 and a 14 that beat Duke). They are currently ranked 6 by Pomeroy and by his metrics they are a favorite to beat Michigan by a point tomorrow. Howland hasn't had a team this good since 2008 (according to Pomeroy). I'm not saying that he should be the choice, just think he's really underrated. The other thing I worry about is Painter has not been great since Hummel, Moore and Johnson left. Purdue's job may be open soon (after next season) as well.
Not sure if he will even be considered, but I really like Josh Pastner (not even sure he'd consider a move).
Age: 36 (I personally think younger coaches relate better with players).
Head Coaching Record: 130-44 (.747%)
Championships:C-USA Tournament Championship (2011, 2012, 2013), C-USA Regular Season Championship (2012, 2013)
Awards: C-USA Coach of the Year (2013)
Professional Players Coached: Elliot Williams, Will Barton, D.J. Stephens, Adonis Thomas, Will Coleman, Willie Kemp.
Recruiting Stats (Since 2009): 5 5*, 7 4*, 7 3*, 2 2*
Quote from: MUDPT on March 27, 2014, 09:25:34 PM
Do you think they should have been an 11 seed? They have won their tournament games by 13, 19, and 20 points (against an underrated 11, overrated 6 and a 14 that beat Duke). They are currently ranked 6 by Pomeroy and by his metrics they are a favorite to beat Michigan by a point tomorrow. Howland hasn't had a team this good since 2008 (according to Pomeroy). I'm not saying that he should be the choice, just think he's really underrated. The other thing I worry about is Painter has not been great since Hummel, Moore and Johnson left. Purdue's job may be open soon (after next season) as well.
Howland has been successful multiple years. Martin has been successful one year and don't count the year he won the MVC with Missouri State, they didn't make the NCAAs.
They need to lock down Howland and move forward.
How about Orlando Antigua? 40 years old and Kentuckys top assistant. Know that he has lots of recruiting ties everywhere and is an up and comer. I think we need a great recruiter to continue to raise our profile.
That's an interesting suggestion (Josh Pastner) that I have not seen anyone else mention previously. He had a top 5 recruiting class in 2013. Consistent NCAA tourneys. Interesting stat...he was something like 0-13 versus top 25 teams up until recently. Big East an upgrade for sure over the AAC especially after Louisville is gone, so an incentive to get him to come over. Why has his name not been thrown out there more often?
Would MU hire Pastner?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2014, 09:40:23 PM
Would MU hire Pastner?
You want Aki Collins to make a return, eh?
Would take Pastner...and Aki.
Did I miss some news with Gregg Marshall? He's been to as many final fours as ss. His team won 35 games and he was coach of the year.
I suggested him when Buzz first left. I do think he makes a lot $$$ already. MU could offer more but probably not that much more.
Quote from: "The Bull" in a China Shop on March 27, 2014, 09:46:43 PM
Did I miss some news with Gregg Marshall? He's been to as many final fours as ss. His team won 35 games and he was coach of the year.
There is a thread on him. He's supposedly a douche. Buzz type persona, I think that's probably why the admin is not interested.
Not at all thrilled with the possibility of Cuonzo Martin being our new coach. He's had a smattering of success and I'm not sure where he gets a reputation as a great recruiter. His classes at Tennessee have been average at best.
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2633/class/2014 (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2633/class/2014)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2014, 09:40:23 PM
Would MU hire Pastner?
He wont leave memphis. I live here in memphis. He loves it here and fans worship him!
Quote from: Heavy Gear on March 27, 2014, 09:51:39 PM
Not at all thrilled with the possibility of Cuonzo Martin being our new coach. He's had a smattering of success and I'm not sure where he gets a reputation as a great recruiter. His classes at Tennessee have been average at best.
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2633/class/2014 (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2633/class/2014)
I suggest you do your research on that recruiting tip buddy. He is far and away a better recruiter than Buzz. Like I said, he almost got Looney. Buzz never had a chance.
Quote from: Jet915 on March 27, 2014, 09:48:02 PM
There is a thread on him. He's supposedly a douche. Buzz type persona, I think that's probably why the admin is not interested.
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Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 09:53:30 PM
He wont leave memphis. I live here in memphis. He loves it here and fans worship him!
It's amazing to me how we lost our last two coaches to "better" conferences, yet we can't persuade coaches from lesser conferences to come here, despite the ability to make them a top 10 paid coach. I always knew pro sports teams in Milwaukee had to pay a "bad city" tax, but I guess I didn't realize Marquette was viewed the same way.
Let the Brian Wardle era begin!
Dwayne Stephens or LaVall Jordan,young guns with something to prove.Will get top talent here!
Jeff Capel would be a good candidate too. Recruited Parker, Tyus, and Okafor to Duke. Did decent at OU.
http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205149556
Quote from: Rockmic87 on March 27, 2014, 10:06:40 PM
Jeff Capel would be a good candidate too. Recruited Parker, Tyus, and Okafor to Duke. Did decent at OU.
http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205149556
Not a good coach. Which would u rather have? Good recruiter or good coach?
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 10:08:49 PM
Not a good coach. Which would u rather have? Good recruiter or good coach?
Was the first Coach to put VCU on the map. And did decently at OU.
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Cuonzo
Not a ton of post-season success, although there is a general trend of improvement YoY. Missouri State got better offensively but not defensively.
Tennessee got better offensively every year. This year's team has a great profile, so why did they lose so many games?
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Archie
Consistently good offensively but not defensively.
Quote from: Warriors12 on March 27, 2014, 09:06:29 PM
Obviously, there are a lot of coaches names being thrown around as possibilities: Holland, Martin, Hopkins, Wardle, Bennett, and Miller to name a few.
A lot of opinions are thrown out who should be our next coach, but I'd like this posting to express your opinion with some empirical evidence as support (i.e. recruiting class ranks each year). I know there are a lot of very knowledgeable fans of basketball here. Who should be our next coach based upon more than just, "Hey, I like that guy as a coach," but some good reasons as to why they should be here at Marquette.
Please see: Marquette's next target. I posted about as much empirical evidence as you can to support a hire. It's a shame, but the quality of posts in this forum is pretty low. Everything that is stated, would be better suited for a twitter feed. Not to mention most of the responses are gut reaction without any or very little substantiated evidence.
Thanks, Henry.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 27, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Please see: Marquette's next target. I posted about as much empirical evidence as you can to support a hire. It's a shame, but the quality of posts in this forum is pretty low. Everything that is stated, would be better suited for a twitter feed. Not to mention most of the responses are gut reaction without any or very little substantiated evidence.
Miller turned us down already
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 10:08:49 PM
Not a good coach. Which would u rather have? Good recruiter or good coach?
Both. Now get Ben Howland and you check both boxes.
Quote from: oneposteagle on March 27, 2014, 10:18:45 PM
Both. Now get Ben Howland and you check both boxes.
Touché
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 27, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Please see: Marquette's next target. I posted about as much empirical evidence as you can to support a hire. It's a shame, but the quality of posts in this forum is pretty low. Everything that is stated, would be better suited for a twitter feed. Not to mention most of the responses are gut reaction without any or very little substantiated evidence.
::) You can leave at anytime, if you don't like it. Just sayin'
For those of you that had Mike D'Antoni as your dark horse, he's apparently interested in Marshall's opening.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Miller turned us down already
I wasn't talking about Miller. Scott Drew might be the "secret person still in the tournament" that MU is interested in. People say it's Cuonzo, but he can't recruit. Not to mention, the seniors on his team are Bruce Pearl recruits. Otherwise he consistently recruits 3 star guys @ Tennessee when Pearl used to recruit 4-5 star guys.
Drew can recruit pretty well and has a stellar record in the NCAA tourney. Not to mention, his recruits are squeaky clean.
Otherwise, I'd take Howland or..... perhaps there's some assistant that's up and coming that expert's have heard of. Either way, history dictates that it will be a younger guy rather than Howland.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 09:55:55 PM
I suggest you do your research on that recruiting tip buddy. He is far and away a better recruiter than Buzz. Like I said, he almost got Looney. Buzz never had a chance.
In the last three seasons Martin has recruited one ESPN 100 player to Tennessee compared to Brett bringing six to Marquette. Also, Brett's classes were all higher ranked nationally. So, tell me another story.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 27, 2014, 10:28:33 PM
For those of you that had Mike D'Antoni as your dark horse, he's apparently interested in Marshall's opening.
Mike D'antoni - He'd be best suited to go to VMI where they put up 100+ pts a game and don't have any defensive sets.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 27, 2014, 10:29:07 PM
I wasn't talking about Miller. Scott Drew might be the "secret person still in the tournament" that MU is interested in. People say it's Cuonzo, but he can't recruit. Not to mention, the seniors on his team are Bruce Pearl recruits. Otherwise he consistently recruits 3 star guys @ Tennessee when Pearl used to recruit 4-5 star guys.
Drew can recruit pretty well and has a stellar record in the NCAA tourney. Not to mention, his recruits are squeaky clean.
Otherwise, I'd take Howland or..... perhaps there's some assistant that's up and coming that expert's have heard of. Either way, history dictates that it will be a younger guy rather than Howland.
Perhaps the glasses are a little too dark?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/sports/ncaabasketball/ncaa-report-lists-major-violations-for-baylor-basketball.html?_r=0
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 27, 2014, 10:29:07 PM
I wasn't talking about Miller. Scott Drew might be the "secret person still in the tournament" that MU is interested in. People say it's Cuonzo, but he can't recruit. Not to mention, the seniors on his team are Bruce Pearl recruits. Otherwise he consistently recruits 3 star guys @ Tennessee when Pearl used to recruit 4-5 star guys.
Drew can recruit pretty well and has a stellar record in the NCAA tourney. Not to mention, his recruits are squeaky clean.
Otherwise, I'd take Howland or..... perhaps there's some assistant that's up and coming that expert's have heard of. Either way, history dictates that it will be a younger guy rather than Howland.
Ben Howland>Scott Drew
Not that I'm interested in him as a candidate, but what is Darrin Horn up to these days? Is he an assistant any where?
Quote from: Jet915 on March 27, 2014, 09:48:02 PM
There is a thread on him. He's supposedly a douche. Buzz type persona, I think that's probably why the admin is not interested.
There have been numerous threads on Wardle being a douche yet he's still mentioned. Mentioned too often for my taste.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 27, 2014, 10:40:11 PM
Not that I'm interested in him as a candidate, but what is Darrin Horn up to these days? Is he an assistant any where?
Pretty sure he's working for ESPN.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 10:35:05 PM
Perhaps the glasses are a little too dark?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/sports/ncaabasketball/ncaa-report-lists-major-violations-for-baylor-basketball.html?_r=0
The article is 2 years old and Baylor was never suspended. Drew has nothing to do with a player taking money from a summer coach. That's on the player. Otherwise, Baylor self imposed sanctions on themselves for making too many phone calls and text messages. That rule, pertaining to # phone calls/text messages you can make was overturned this past summer by the NCAA. Universities are now allowed unlimited call/texts to Juniors + Seniors in high school.
Quote from: "The Bull" in a China Shop on March 27, 2014, 10:41:55 PM
There have been numerous threads on Wardle being a douche yet he's still mentioned. Mentioned too often for my taste.
There are a dozen candidates not even mentioned that are better than Wardle. Guaranteed to not get the job. Too high of a risk/with little reward. If they wanted him, he'd be hired by now @ 300k/year. Who knows... maybe it is worth it. With the savings in salary, we could get another private jet. Dueling private jets..... now there's a recruiting spiel no one in the NCAA could top!!!
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 27, 2014, 10:43:21 PM
The article is 2 years old and Baylor was never suspended. Drew has nothing to do with a player taking money from a summer coach. That's on the player. Otherwise, Baylor self imposed sanctions on themselves for making too many phone calls and text messages. That rule, pertaining to # phone calls/text messages you can make was overturned this past summer by the NCAA. Universities are now allowed unlimited call/texts to Juniors + Seniors in high school.
He is a good coach, but I have a hard time believing MU is going to hire a guy with any sort of allegations attached to his name. Also, it seems fairly clear that coaches from major conferences aren't lining up to coach at a non-BCS school. I believe any talk of Drew is a waste of time.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 27, 2014, 10:53:02 PM
He is a good coach, but I have a hard time believing MU is going to hire a guy with any sort of allegations attached to his name. Also, it seems fairly clear that coaches from major conferences aren't lining up to coach at a non-BCS school. I believe any talk of Drew is a waste of time.
Well, the question then is who...... that is still playing? It's not Cuonzo or Bennett. It would have to be an assistant then.
Jon Harris
I don't believe it will be anyone who was still playing going into tonight (unless it is an unknown assistant). The coaches that were still in it are all from bcs conferences except for Miller and Fischer and neither is going anywhere.
Think it comes down to MU be willing to pay Howland. If not, then it's Wardle time.