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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 79Warrior on March 27, 2014, 08:05:00 PM
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We went for the home run hire. Feelers went out, he was interested and a dialogue began. At the end of the day, he turned us down. We are bummed, but there is no blame here. Marquette took a good shot and he obviously listened. SS decided to stay put.
We don't need to flame Bill Cords and Marquette. They tried hard, it did not work out. Time to move on.
Six years ago we were not in the hunt for a "home run". We will be fine. I am sure they have moved on to the next candidates. Hopefully, to quote The Who, we won't get fooled again.
Thank's Bill.
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And his shot likely cost us a coach who actually wanted the job and would've been as good or better a hire than Shaka.
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Absolutely. No shame. Shaka turned down UCLA as well.
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And his shot likely cost us a coach who actually wanted the job and would've been as good or better a hire than Shaka.
Would you just stop. You along with a bunch of other posters who have just come out of the woodwork have been nothing but negative and will never post again once this is over.
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The home run hire is still waiting for us to hire him.
SS has a lot of potential upside, but his track record is still limited. In fact, other than the Final Four run (admittedly huge), he has still yet to win a single conference regular season title in 5 years.
Howland won 2 BETs and got to 2 Sweet Sixteens in four years at Pitt, and won 4 PAC-12 titles and got to 3 Final Fours at UCLA. Home run hire.
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Would you just stop. You along with a bunch of other posters who have just come out of the woodwork have been nothing but negative and will never post again once this is over.
I've been posting here for years. Not often, but don't worry: I'm not going anywhere. I paid $27,000/year for 4.5 years and will continue voicing my opinion of my alma mater. Deal with it.
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If MU still gets Howland, it's fine.
But the others on their list are awful (don't think Marshall is wanted) and would signal a real decline in MU basketball.
And UW is just rolling, which makes everything that much more depressing.
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If MU still gets Howland, it's fine.
Anyone less than Howland is a failure, plain and simple. And I won't support yet another administrative bungle. I don't get the people here who do and think that because we're alumni, we have to support every stupid decision they continue to make.
And UW is just rolling, which makes everything that much more depressing.
Sigh. Seriously.
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If twitter is correct, we got played by Shaka... Met his demands and it still wasn't good enough #coktease
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And his shot likely cost us a coach who actually wanted the job and would've been as good or better a hire than Shaka.
Last I checked, nobody has hired Ben Howland.
This place is hilarious. If MU had hired Howland over the weekend, you would have had a different group of folks bitching about MU not doing its due diligence and jumping at first guy available.
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We went for the home run hire. Feelers went out, he was interested and a dialogue began. At the end of the day, he turned us down. We are bummed, but there is no blame here. Marquette took a good shot and he obviously listened. SS decided to stay put.
We don't need to flame Bill Cords and Marquette. They tried hard, it did not work out. Time to move on.
Six years ago we were not in the hunt for a "home run". We will be fine. I am sure they have moved on to the next candidates. Hopefully, to quote The Who, we won't get fooled again.
Thank's Bill.
Yes, but have to close up the leaks. Did MU zero good on that front. Got all the fans spun up, then upset. Potentially tells other coaches, you are not my top choice, etc. Just no plus side to it at all. Way too many leaks considering how many people were running with the story. It was crazy how many people were publicly putting it out there as rock solid.
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If twitter is correct, we got played by Shaka... Met his demands and it still wasn't good enough #coktease
Takes two to tango to get played....
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Last I checked, nobody has hired Ben Howland.
...that was kinda the point. As in: Marquette should have hired him immediately.
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Yes, but have to close up the leaks. Did MU zero good on that front. Got all the fans spun up, then upset. Potentially tells other coaches, you are not my top choice, etc. Just no plus side to it at all. Way too many leaks considering how many people were running with the story. It was crazy how many people were publicly putting it out there as rock solid.
hopefully the silence of tuesday and wednesday were an indication of MU getting things in order on that front
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Hire Howland and no harm done here. We'll all forget about this and get excited about having a premiere coach in the country.
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They can salvage a generous "C" for the process, but an A+ on the hire by getting this done now. Since they've managed to make "amateur hour" ring true now that the national guys have run their stories of Smart rejecting MU, while gramps' move was to hold a press conference to ramble on about nothing.
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...that was kinda the point. As in: Marquette should have hired him immediately.
Well, they still can. Failing to see your point.
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Yes, but have to close up the leaks. Did MU zero good on that front. Got all the fans spun up, then upset. Potentially tells other coaches, you are not my top choice, etc. Just no plus side to it at all. Way too many leaks considering how many people were running with the story. It was crazy how many people were publicly putting it out there as rock solid.
Not one a credible journalist. Please, rumors happen every time this happens at every school. The internet fuels it. Marquette cannot control what folks choose to tweet. Not one was from the University. There is only so much you can do. Give me a break.
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Well, they still can. Failing to see your point.
True, this would be the first time the BoT ever bungled something. Totally not their MO at all. I hope I'm wrong. I hope more than anything else right now that Howland is hired. I just can't see it happening no matter how hard I try to picture it.
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Takes two to tango to get played....
Shouldn't have MU known about Smart's reputation for playing this game and being an attention whore and made sure that things didn't play out this way?
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Not one a credible journalist. Please, rumors happen every time this happens at every school. The internet fuels it. Marquette cannot control what folks choose to tweet. Not one was from the University. There is only so much you can do. Give me a break.
I don't believe we know this.
Credible journalists from WISN did say he was coming to MU. The plane trip stuff, that was known by many people yesterday. Just too much stuff. I don't disagree that it is harder than ever, but it can be done.
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Shouldn't have MU known about Smart's reputation for playing this game and being an attention whore and made sure that things didn't play out this way?
Smart is the girl that flirts with everyone and makes every guy drool thinking they have a shot.
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Hire Howland and no harm done here. We'll all forget about this and get excited about having a premiere coach in the country.
I'm afraid MU's reputation has been damaged nationally and that will matter to guys like Hill and any other potential recruits.
They may still get a really good X's and O's guy in Howland but I don't see the recruiting not taking a gigantic hit.
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Shouldn't have MU known about Smart's reputation for playing this game and being an attention whore and made sure that things didn't play out this way?
Yep. What happened today didn't surprise me one bit. Smart has done this before.
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I'm afraid MU's reputation has been damaged nationally and that will matter to guys like Hill and any other potential recruits.
They may still get a really good X's and O's guy in Howland but I don't see the recruiting not taking a gigantic hit.
Howland can recruit. Very well. He would fare far better than VCU's "hang a banner" #15 class.
Shouldn't have MU known about Smart's reputation for playing this game and being an attention whore and made sure that things didn't play out this way?
Of course. Trust no one. Instead, we get "done deal", then proceeded to believe naming a President would meet demands, terribly unfair to Dr. Lovell to have to be associated with this blunder.
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If MU still gets Howland, it's fine.
But the others on their list are awful (don't think Marshall is wanted) and would signal a real decline in MU basketball.
And UW is just rolling, which makes everything that much more depressing.
So glad I live in San Francisco. No one cares about college sports out here. Would hate to be back in Milwaukee...listening to all those Becky fans chirping. Only thing worse than a UW alum are those clowns who took a night class at UW-Waukesha and think they're part of the Becky family.
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I don't believe we know this.
Credible journalists from WISN did say he was coming to MU. The plane trip stuff, that was known by many people yesterday. Just too much stuff. I don't disagree that it is harder than ever, but it can be done.
Come on. That is a local yokel reacting to the stuff from IWB. We can go round and round, it it what it is. No national media had this story.
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So glad I live in San Francisco. No one cares about college sports out here. Would hate to be back in Milwaukee...listening to all those Becky fans chirping. Only thing worse than a UW alum are those clowns who took a night class at UW-Waukesha and think they're part of the Becky family.
No, the people who just blindly love and spout mountains and mountains of verbal and written crap, yet went to MATC or only just barely graduated high school and got their Becky shirt from Walmart are the worst.
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No, the people who just blindly love and spout mountains and mountains of verbal and written crap, yet went to MATC or only just barely graduated high school and got their Becky shirt from Walmart are the worst.
You're right. I stand corrected.
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Smart is the girl that flirts with everyone and makes every guy drool thinking they have a shot.
AKA Prick Tease
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Come on. That is a local yokel reacting to the stuff from IWB. We can go round and round, it it what it is. No national media had this story.
Local media is still media, and often the first go to source in a local market. A local reporter is going to have the ties to a local business, school, etc, usually more than a national reporter. Not always, but usually. They drive news for you every day, the national guy only does occasionally.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if the local guy got info from sources he\she thought was credible, based on reputation or whatever. My opinion is if they relied on a single tweet from a 19 year old student reporter, that just seems crazy.
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Yep. What happened today didn't surprise me one bit. Smart has done this before.
Apparently we felt it was worth a shot which is fine with me. Cudos to Cord and company, great effort and courage to take the shot.
Now let's move on to some other, IMHO, more stable and proven candidates such as Howland. Remember the objective is to win basketball games. You do not need a sexy choice for that to happen, just competence with a proven record.
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The rule of thumb in coaching searches is that you should always be able to convincingly lie that you got your top choice. Marquette cannot say that. These coaches have egos that are through the roof, and you are crazy if you think that doesn't play a factor. Of course, nothing that a pile of money can't solve...
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I thought then that hiring Brent Williams was a terrible, uninspired, bush league move. Brent was a pudgy southerner with a dubious past in New Orleans. In retrospect it was an incredibly ballsy move by Cottingham. Brent ended up being one of the best and longest tenured coaches Marquette ever had.
You never know. But in my adult life, the least of the coaches we had was Mike Deane who was actually a very good coach despite how history and time have treated him. Tom Crean, all in all, was a home run hire as well. I have to give MU, especially Cords, the benefit of the doubt. We will be fine.
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Yes, but have to close up the leaks. Did MU zero good on that front. Got all the fans spun up, then upset. Potentially tells other coaches, you are not my top choice, etc. Just no plus side to it at all. Way too many leaks considering how many people were running with the story. It was crazy how many people were publicly putting it out there as rock solid.
One way to look at it. Another is that maybe MU was trying to play Howland down from his asking price? It's a negotiation tactic, and maybe did not work out according to plan. There are crafty coaches and crafty administrators all around college bb.
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One way to look at it. Another is that maybe MU was trying to play Howland down from his asking price? It's a negotiation tactic, and maybe did not work out according to plan. There are crafty coaches and crafty administrators all around college bb.
Yeah, except we reportedly played our hand on what we were willing to pay for top talent.
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The rule of thumb in coaching searches is that you should always be able to convincingly lie that you got your top choice. Marquette cannot say that. These coaches have egos that are through the roof, and you are crazy if you think that doesn't play a factor. Of course, nothing that a pile of money can't solve...
Agreed but this is not Howland's first rodeo and SS simply does not have his track record. Howland knows that and will soon forget who is first or second provided MU has the best offer. "Show me the money Jerry!" The difference between a seasoned professional and a potential superstar, one proven, one maybe. Howland's maturity will remind him of that even if MU did not have him as number 1 and he will be right. He is the proven choice.
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Shouldn't have MU known about Smart's reputation for playing this game and being an attention whore and made sure that things didn't play out this way?
VT could have thought the same about Buzz and not gone after him. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Shaka would have been great and I'm sure kept the recruits, but there are more than one good coaches out there who will gladly lead the Warriors. It's not all or nothing.
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Cords and MU took a shot. I would expect nothing less. And I am told it was a very close, hard decision. I don't like the end game but I respect the University for going for it. Hopefully, they can reengage with Howland and get him signed. Nothing else excites quite frankly.
If you are Howland, would you want a rebuilding job at BC, WF, or USF or walk into the resources of a Marquette? Marquette can win but we need to shore up the damage from this past week. Howland would be a great hire but I am thinking his price tag has gone up even more from where it was at. Bottom line is that MU went for Smart for several reasons, price notwithstanding. They should expect to pay even more for Howland but there is equity in that hire, unlike any other mentioned. I will say there is one other name that is still in the tournament but I, personally, would much prefer Howland.
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Cords and MU took a shot. I would expect nothing less. And I am told it was a very close, hard decision. I don't like the end game but I respect the University for going for it. Hopefully, they can reengage with Howland and get him signed. Nothing else excites quite frankly.
If you are Howland, would you want a rebuilding job at BC, WF, or USF or walk into the resources of a Marquette? Marquette can win but we need to shore up the damage from this past week. Howland would be a great hire but I am thinking his price tag has gone up even more from where it was at. Bottom line is that MU went for Smart for several reasons, price notwithstanding. They should expect to pay even more for Howland but there is equity in that hire, unlike any other mentioned. I will say there is one other name that is still in the tournament but I, personally, would much prefer Howland. Agreed, unfortunately because of some major leaks, what goes on in any search became public for lack of a better word and got everyone jacked up. They do need to tighten that ship though, it's going to cost them some money because of it.
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VT could have thought the same about Buzz and not gone after him. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Shaka would have been great and I'm sure kept the recruits, but there are more than one good coaches out there who will gladly lead the Warriors. It's not all or nothing.
Does a guy like Hill stay if Howland gets the job?
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Cords and MU took a shot. I would expect nothing less. And I am told it was a very close, hard decision. I don't like the end game but I respect the University for going for it. Hopefully, they can reengage with Howland and get him signed. Nothing else excites quite frankly.
If you are Howland, would you want a rebuilding job at BC, WF, or USF or walk into the resources of a Marquette? Marquette can win but we need to shore up the damage from this past week. Howland would be a great hire but I am thinking his price tag has gone up even more from where it was at. Bottom line is that MU went for Smart for several reasons, price notwithstanding. They should expect to pay even more for Howland but there is equity in that hire, unlike any other mentioned. I will say there is one other name that is still in the tournament but I, personally, would much prefer Howland.
So is Howland now our number 1 priority? I have done so much reading that I don't know where it is buried, but I read somewhere that some on the search committee (or at least, close to it) doesn't like Howland's style of play (perhaps because it won't be seen as appealing to recruits)
I sincerely hope that we aren't looking at a guy simply to appease Sandy Cohen and Ahmed Hill. Or Stone for that matter, just to further appease some big booster of the program.
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Total speculation, but maybe besides the high price tag Howland is asking, MU knows that most recruits will leave. Howland has no recruits.....
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I don't care what Howland costs. I also don't care what people think of his style or who it would attract recruiting wise. He knows how to win. He was fired the year he won his conference for crying out loud. Get Howland NOW!!!
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Total speculation, but maybe besides the high price tag Howland is asking, MU knows that most recruits will leave. Howland has no recruits.....
As much as it would be swell to keep this year's recruiting class (because it was shaping up to be great), you don't hire a coach for one year's worth of recruits. Build it and they will come.
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Can Howland afford to be that choosy? How many positions out there are comparable to MU compensationwise and opportunity?
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Total speculation, but maybe besides the high price tag Howland is asking, MU knows that most recruits will leave. Howland has no recruits.....
They are likely gone regardless. Just like MU is the best job currently available, Howland is hands down the best coach available.
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Total speculation, but maybe besides the high price tag Howland is asking, MU knows that most recruits will leave. Howland has no recruits.....
Yeah, what kid would want to play for a coach with several conference championships, 3 Final Fours, and more than ten players in the NBA?
If our current recruits leave - not sure that's a given - Howland will do just fine.
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Yeah, what kid would want to play for a coach with several conference championships, 3 Final Fours, and more than ten players in the NBA?
If our current recruits leave - not sure that's a given - Howland will do just fine.
Agree. Give the man the keys, let him drive. This game is all about having a capable coach, which aren't easy to find. The man has eight conference championships, 10 NCAA tournament appearances, and three Final Fours. This shouldn't even be a decision.
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Cords and MU took a shot. I would expect nothing less. And I am told it was a very close, hard decision. I don't like the end game but I respect the University for going for it. Hopefully, they can reengage with Howland and get him signed. Nothing else excites quite frankly.
If you are Howland, would you want a rebuilding job at BC, WF, or USF or walk into the resources of a Marquette? Marquette can win but we need to shore up the damage from this past week. Howland would be a great hire but I am thinking his price tag has gone up even more from where it was at. Bottom line is that MU went for Smart for several reasons, price notwithstanding. They should expect to pay even more for Howland but there is equity in that hire, unlike any other mentioned. I will say there is one other name that is still in the tournament but I, personally, would much prefer Howland.
Fwiw, not sure if I'm close or not but Jason King tweeted yesterday that Martin was our next choice after Smart and before Howland. Don't know if there is any truth to that. I hope not. I would much rather have Howland.
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In recruiting you do not waste time on a recruit you have no chance of getting. How, much time do you think Jeter spends on recruiting Diamond Stone? The trouble with MU's job is that they are a high payer, which means coaches can use them to get raises at their current gig. There is nothing wrong with that as it is just good business. I would only blame Shaka if he reached out to MU about the job with no real interest in it. The proper way is not to rush and see who applies for the job. Assuming Cords just contacted Shaka, then Cords should be criticised.
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If twitter is correct, we got played by Shaka... Met his demands and it still wasn't good enough #coktease
Absolutely. Cords is a good guy, but Shaka Con played us. You give your best offer if he is your #1, give Mr. Con 24 hours, and if he comes back to dance more, you move on, especially with that guy's history. Know your players. That simple. The rest is all BS. Now we are sitting holding a bag of shice, going to the 2nd tier. If we land Howland, fine, then it still worked out--luckily.
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Total speculation, but maybe besides the high price tag Howland is asking, MU knows that most recruits will leave. Howland has no recruits.....
Folks you do not make decisions based on whether or not an 18 year old decides or decides not to come. You base it on the quality of the coach and his track record. The money is a financial decision, that is the return on investment versus alternatives. I suspect the mystery coach is that alternative to Howland. Wardle is the safety. How much Howland is asking is not known so it could be unrealistic even to us die hard Howland fans. We just don't know if it is even close.
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Does a guy like Hill stay if Howland gets the job?
Iffy, in my opinion, but there's a chance. Someone like Wardle, not his fault, but not a chance.
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Absolutely. No shame. Shaka turned down UCLA as well.
AND Illinois.
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Folks you do not make decisions based on whether or not an 18 year old decides or decides not to come. You base it on the quality of the coach and his track record. The money is a financial decision, that is the return on investment versus alternatives. I suspect the mystery coach is that alternative to Howland. Wardle is the safety. How much Howland is asking is not known so it could be unrealistic even to us die hard Howland fans. We just don't know if it is even close.
Everyone is getting hung up on the "money". Marquette will pay what it takes. The issue is what does it take to get the guy here? Smart did not turn Marquette down over money. There obviously is a compelling reason that we will probably never know. Howland has plenty of dough and collects over 2mm from UCLA to stay home. It is far to simplisitic to boil it down to money. Something else is going on.