Marquette Golden Eagles
After Buzz Williams jumped to Virginia Tech, the big question is where Marquette goes to replace a coach who led the program to five NCAA tournament appearances in his six seasons.
Despite not having a permanent athletic director -- and finally hiring a full-time president earlier in the week -- the Golden Eagles took a swing at VCU's Shaka Smart.
Smart is a Wisconsin native and Marquette has deep pockets. Sources told ESPN that the program, which was slated to pay Williams $3 million this season, is tossing around a figure in excess of that number to try and lure Smart -- who has declined several high-major gigs in the last few years.
When Marquette finally moves on, there are several candidates in play: Former UCLA coach Ben Howland is in the mix, as is Syracuse coach-in-waiting Mike Hopkins and former Marquette player and assistant Brian Wardle -- who is currently the head coach at Green Bay.
Remember, this is a program that hired a virtual unknown in Williams after Tom Crean left for Indiana -- and it paid off. There's also another mystery candidate, sources told ESPN, that is still playing in the NCAA tournament.
Good to hear more information from a national source. Mystery candidate has to be Cuonzo Marin, I would think.
Oh, so Cuonzo Martin or Tony Bennett.
K.
Quote from: Buchec18 on March 27, 2014, 03:10:37 PM
Marquette Golden Eagles
After Buzz Williams jumped to Virginia Tech, the big question is where Marquette goes to replace a coach who led the program to five NCAA tournament appearances in his six seasons.
Despite not having a permanent athletic director -- and finally hiring a full-time president earlier in the week -- the Golden Eagles took a swing at VCU's Shaka Smart.
Smart is a Wisconsin native and Marquette has deep pockets. Sources told ESPN that the program, which was slated to pay Williams $3 million this season, is tossing around a figure in excess of that number to try and lure Smart -- who has declined several high-major gigs in the last few years.
When Marquette finally moves on, there are several candidates in play: Former UCLA coach Ben Howland is in the mix, as is Syracuse coach-in-waiting Mike Hopkins and former Marquette player and assistant Brian Wardle -- who is currently the head coach at Green Bay.
Remember, this is a program that hired a virtual unknown in Williams after Tom Crean left for Indiana -- and it paid off. There's also another mystery candidate, sources told ESPN, that is still playing in the NCAA tournament.
Get bent, Goodman.
Goodman seems like he's lost his "sources" with MU since Buzz left
What a dick. finally........finally.
Funny he would write "mystery candidate still playing in the tournament" when we have already been linked to Cuonzo... If its Cuonzo, why dramatize this?
no crap.
Folks. It sure as hell is not Tony. He said no in the past. He has roots to UW so he probably can't stand Marquette.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 27, 2014, 03:11:44 PM
Oh, so Cuonzo Martin or Tony Bennett.
K.
Bennett turned us down repeatedly in the past and appears to be very entrenched at UV. No way he's our next coach.
Quote from: windyplayer on March 27, 2014, 03:12:00 PM
Get bent, Goodman.
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I'm no fan of Goodman, but I think he meant "moves on" from trying to lure Shaka, not "moves on" from the departure of Brent
Im actually a Goodman fan
Quote from: MaymonsPops on March 27, 2014, 03:15:22 PM
Funny he would write "mystery candidate still playing in the tournament" when we have already been linked to Cuonzo... If its Cuonzo, why dramatize this?
Only other candidate I could think of is Bo Ryan.
Quote from: Buchec18 on March 27, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Only other candidate I could think of is Bo Ryan.
And now the thread is over..that didnt last long
Quote from: Eldon on March 27, 2014, 03:15:54 PM
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I'm no fan of Goodman, but I think he meant moves on from trying to lure Shaka, not move on from the departure of Brent
He's suggesting MU has no shot at landing Shaka while simultaneously reporting they're still trying to lure him.
He's a POS. He was very critical of the reporting this past Monday. Suggesting your gut feelings will end up as fact (which he absolutely did here) without using sources is very bad reporting.
My only source on this is IWB's guys (ok, it's actually only my gut), but I'm tellin you, its Johnny Dawkins.
Quote from: Buchec18 on March 27, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Only other candidate I could think of is Bo Ryan.
Dayton. Archie Miller
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 03:17:13 PM
And now the thread is over..that didnt last long
I hope you sensed my
sarcasm in that.
Quote from: Buchec18 on March 27, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Only other candidate I could think of is Bo Ryan.
If any new Italian restaurants have opened in Milwaukee recently, I would think that Rick Pitino would then be in the mix.
Quote from: Eldon on March 27, 2014, 03:15:54 PM
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I'm no fan of Goodman, but I think he meant "moves on" from trying to lure Shaka, not "moves on" from the departure of Brent
You are right-- he's saying we can't dance with the pretty girl at the dance and should/will move on.
$ talks. and i strongly believe there is a reason why SS hasn't made an announcement dismissing any and all rumors that he would leave VCU.
north of $3m...if that is true...is hard to turn down.
The only logical way he would turn it down is he is waiting for a Duke/Cuse/UNC job to open up.
C'mon dudes, let's flat name the other 11 coaches still in it, hey?
Quote from: The Love House on March 27, 2014, 03:15:46 PM
Bennett turned us down repeatedly in the past and appears to be very entrenched at UV. No way he's our next coach.
He may have changed his mind
Exhibit A for disproving the notion Goodman knows anything we don't.
Quote from: MUStudent on March 27, 2014, 03:17:44 PM
He's suggesting MU has no shot at landing Shaka while simultaneously reporting they're still trying to lure him.
He's an pretty boy.
He was on Chicago sportstalk radio Tuesday morning saying Shaka to MU would not happen.
This is his opinion, which he has always held, and not based on fact from new info
Quote from: mugoose on March 27, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
$ talks. and i strongly believe there is a reason why SS hasn't made an announcement dismissing any and all rumors that he would leave VCU.
north of $3m...if that is true...is hard to turn down.
The only logical way he would turn it down is he is waiting for a Duke/Cuse/UNC job to open up.
UNC hires from within. Cuse and Duke both have their coaches-in-waiting. And regardless, still could easily be FIVE years away, if not more.
Lets just do it this way.
Stanford: Johnny Dawkins : Maybe?
Dayton: Archie Miller : Just got extended... doubt it.
UCLA: Steve Alford: No way
Florida: Billie Donovan: No way
Baylor: Scott Drew: Lord have mercy. No way.
Wisconsin: Bo Ryan: By far the funniest. No way.
San Diego State University: Steve Fisher: He is 69 years old. No way.
Arizona: Sean Miller: No way
Tennesee: Cuonzo Martin: Reported we have interest
Michigan: John Boelien: No way
Kentucky: John Calipari: No way
Louisville: Rick Pitino: No way
UConn: Kevin Ollie: Highly doubtful... he has been there only two years.
Iowa State: Fred Hoiberg: Uhhh maybe?
Michigan State: Tom Izzo: No way.
Virginia: Tony Bennett: Maybe.
That gives us 4 possibilities: Cuonzo Martin, Tony Bennett, Fred Hoiberg, and Johnny Dawkins (big time reach).
Anyone care to weigh in here?
Quote from: Buchec18 on March 27, 2014, 03:10:37 PM
Marquette Golden Eagles
Despite not having a permanent athletic director -- and finally hiring a full-time president earlier in the week -- the Golden Eagles took a swing at VCU's Shaka Smart.
Smart is a Wisconsin native and Marquette has deep pockets. Sources told ESPN that the program, which was slated to pay Williams $3 million this season, is tossing around a figure in excess of that number to try and lure Smart -- who has declined several high-major gigs in the last few years.
I mean, we are either going to have to believe Jeff Goodman that Marquette was in contact with Shaka Smart or the anonymous VCU posters that have come onto this board.
Obviously, a clear thinking individual will listen to the VCU posters. They have zero agenda or bias in this.
As posted above, no question in my mind they're looking at Dawkins...I have thought that well before this Goodman thing.
Quote from: mugoose on March 27, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
$ talks. and i strongly believe there is a reason why SS hasn't made an announcement dismissing any and all rumors that he would leave VCU.
north of $3m...if that is true...is hard to turn down.
The only logical way he would turn it down is he is waiting for a Duke/Cuse/UNC job to open up.
I think Shaka has lost his mind. The longer he stays at VCU, the more AD's will realize his FF was more or less a product of parity and he really isnt the coach he's currently cracked up to be. The shine on his FF trophy is slowly losing its shine. If money matters to him (and maybe it doesnt), he should finally cash in the FF for a big contract. After another year or two, the high major offers might not be there.
Dwayne Stephens of MSU! Boom!!!!
Quote from: mugoose on March 27, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
$ talks. and i strongly believe there is a reason why SS hasn't made an announcement dismissing any and all rumors that he would leave VCU.
north of $3m...if that is true...is hard to turn down.
The only logical way he would turn it down is he is waiting for a Duke/Cuse/UNC job to open up.
K makes that kind of money but Roy Williams is not making north of $3 million...not that they wouldn't pay it but he's a UNC grad, was on Dean's staff and doesn't see the need to break the bank.
No too many people out there who think they are being paid well enough when in reality are far below market value.
Hards
Bennett and Martin
A "mystery" coach who's still in the tournament?
I can just see how that will turn out. We probably put out a feeler to Martin after Buzz left and he responded with "hell yeah, I'm interested - but I'm in the tourney now so get back to me when I'm done and we'll talk". Then, we drag our feet and Smart disappears, then Howland disappears, then Marshall disappears...then we contact Martin again after his team is out and it'll be - "oh yeah, that's right I did tell you guys that I was interested, didn't I? Well, you know what, my team had such a good run this year that I'm staying". And there we'll be - left out in the cold and desperately trying to convince Wardle that he was our guy all along...
Get Howland now!!!
Quote from: mugoose on March 27, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
$ talks. and i strongly believe there is a reason why SS hasn't made an announcement dismissing any and all rumors that he would leave VCU.
north of $3m...if that is true...is hard to turn down.
The only logical way he would turn it down is he is waiting for a Duke/Cuse/UNC job to open up.
Shaka has never addressed internet message board rumors and he has no reason to start now. The only times he has come out with official statements in the past has been when there was chatter amongst credible national sources about an imminent deal.
Talking =! Strong interest
Weber and Martin. And im sticking to it
Quote from: Warrior Ram on March 27, 2014, 03:30:58 PM
Shaka has never addressed internet message board rumors and he has no reason to start now. The only times he has come out with official statements in the past has been when there was chatter amongst credible national sources about an imminent deal.
Shaka addressed his recruits
Quote from: mugoose on March 27, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
$ talks. and i strongly believe there is a reason why SS hasn't made an announcement dismissing any and all rumors that he would leave VCU.
north of $3m...if that is true...is hard to turn down.
The only logical way he would turn it down is he is waiting for a Duke/Cuse/UNC job to open up.
There's no way he is guaranteed to be considered for either of these positions. Duke will look at the Collins/Dawkins/Wojo tree. Syracuse will probably stay with Hopkins (ala UCONN w/ Ollie). Roy Williams doesn't even appear to be pondering retirement yet, but they will undoubtedly hire a UNC guy.
I'm willing to bet Broeker & Goodman still talk a lot.
I also think that while Broeker may have told Goodman that Shaka was coming, Gooodman crossed checked that and it didn't add up.
We need to get off this Shaka train. Let's grab Howland & go to work.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 27, 2014, 03:23:01 PM
He was on Chicago sportstalk radio Tuesday morning saying Shaka to MU would not happen.
This is his opinion, which he has always held, and not based on fact from new info
That's perfectly fine, but the fact that it's his opinion needs to be made clear if he's going to publish a piece re: the search on ESPN.com. Otherwise it can be mistaken that the big-time NCAAB reporter is privy to information that has informed what he's saying.
Quote from: The Love House on March 27, 2014, 03:30:05 PM
A "mystery" coach who's still in the tournament?
I can just see how that will turn out. We probably put out a feeler to Martinafter Buzz left and he responded with "hell yeah, I'm interested - but I'm in the tourney now so get back to me when I'm done and we'll talk". Then, we drag our feet and Smart disappears, then Howland disappears, then Marshall disappears...then we contact Martin again after his team is out and it'll be - "oh yeah, that's right I did tell you guys that I was interested, didn't I? Well, you know what, my team had such a good run this year that I'm staying". And there we'll be - left out in the cold and desperately trying to convince Wardle that he was our guy all along...
Get Howland now!!!
I could not agree more. I am trying hard to "respect the process" and I have faith in Cords but it will be IMPOSSIBLE to explain not hiring Howland when Martin, Wardle, etc... are the alternatives. No matter the $$$$, pay the man.
Quote from: The Lens on March 27, 2014, 03:32:20 PM
I'm willing to bet Broeker & Goodman still talk a lot.
Not after last Friday.
Try to think like a Goodman would... most of sports writers aren't looking at getting a story right, they are telling you what they would like the story to be.
They see the world in storylines. If Marquette gets the Tennessee coach, there's a nifty little storyline about how we poached from the university that poached us. If it's Tony Bennett, we cock block our friends to the west - another nifty little storyline...
Quote from: thekahoona on March 27, 2014, 03:33:54 PM
Try to think like a Goodman would... most of sports writers aren't looking at getting story right, they are telling you what they would like the story to be.
They see the world in storylines. If Marquette gets the Tennessee coach, there's a nifty little storyline about how we poached from the university that poached us. If it's Tony Bennett, we cock block our friends to the west - another nifty little storyline...
Bennett reached out to MU
It's funny, suddenly a ridiculous post last weekend asking if Marquette would consider a black candidate has come rushing back to me.
Quote from: ShakaforMU on March 27, 2014, 03:35:08 PM
Bennett reached out to MU
Source? I've heard nothing of the sort
Quote from: ShakaforMU on March 27, 2014, 03:35:08 PM
Bennett reached out to MU
Which doesn't change my point.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 27, 2014, 03:35:43 PM
It's funny, suddenly a ridiculous post last weekend asking if Marquette would consider a black candidate has come rushing back to me.
Ummm I dont know if I should be offended or not...
ShakaforMU
I am with you on the Bennett call.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 03:31:12 PM
Weber and Martin. And im sticking to it
NO and NO! Please, God, NO!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 27, 2014, 03:25:36 PM
Lets just do it this way.
Stanford: Johnny Dawkins : Maybe?
Dayton: Archie Miller : Just got extended... doubt it.
UCLA: Steve Alford: No way
Florida: Billie Donovan: No way
Baylor: Scott Drew: Lord have mercy. No way.
Wisconsin: Bo Ryan: By far the funniest. No way.
San Diego State University: Steve Fisher: He is 69 years old. No way.
Arizona: Sean Miller: No way
Tennesee: Cuonzo Martin: Reported we have interest
Michigan: John Boelien: No way
Kentucky: John Calipari: No way
Louisville: Rick Pitino: No way
UConn: Kevin Ollie: Highly doubtful... he has been there only two years.
Iowa State: Fred Hoiberg: Uhhh maybe?
Michigan State: Tom Izzo: No way.
Virginia: Tony Bennett: Maybe.
That gives us 4 possibilities: Cuonzo Martin, Tony Bennett, Fred Hoiberg, and Johnny Dawkins (big time reach).
Anyone care to weigh in here?
Again, Cuonzo Martin was left for dead just 5 weeks ago. I don't get the love. Besides, he's a Purdue grad and Purdue missing two straight NCAAs and finishing dead last in the Big Ten this year is something I would be leary of hiring a Purdue alumnus for.
Quote from: Goose on March 27, 2014, 03:28:55 PM
Hards
Bennett and Martin
FWIW - the badger boards have made mention that Bennett is a target and likely would come.
http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/71435/Dodds-Tony-Bennett-to-Marquette
http://buckyville.yuku.com/reply/1022114/Re-Tony-Bennett-to-Marquette
Chico's
Martin has appeal to current kids and recruits.
Quote from: My source on March 27, 2014, 03:37:52 PM
NO and NO! Please, God, NO!
Calm down. Its only my guess/opinion. Its gonna be ok
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
Ummm I dont know if I should be offended or not...
He's referring to an actual dumb thread made about a week ago. Everyone lambasted it, I assume it got deleted.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 27, 2014, 03:25:36 PM
That gives us 4 possibilities: Cuonzo Martin, Tony Bennett, Fred Hoiberg, and Johnny Dawkins (big time reach).
Garbage, won't come, is called the Mayor of Ames, and a hair above Wardle.
Quote from: Goose on March 27, 2014, 03:38:55 PM
Chico's
Martin has appeal to current kids and recruits.
BINGO.
Thank you Goose.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 27, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
He's referring to actual dumb thread made about a week ago. Everyone lambasted it, I assume it got deleted.
Correct. I have no idea who wrote it, but it sure is starting to look like they are actively looking at, or more to the point,
for minority candidates. Smart, Martin, Dawkins...just sayin. I hope that is not criteria they are using, but I am starting to wonder.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 27, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
He's referring to actual dumb thread made about a week ago. Everyone lambasted it, I assume it got deleted.
Oh wow. I hope it wasnt about us not wanting a black coach.
Don't think Duke or Cuse is something he'd go for. I think most VCU fans would assume he's gone if Florida opens up after Donovan leaves. The only minor setback about that job is football may be more important to the AD.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2014, 03:37:54 PM
Again, Cuonzo Martin was left for dead just 5 weeks ago. I don't get the love. Besides, he's a Purdue grad and Purdue missing two straight NCAAs and finishing dead last in the Big Ten this year is something I would be leary of hiring a Purdue alumnus for.
I'm just stating what we know. I have no love for the guy, whatsoever. There are far better candidates.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 03:43:04 PM
Oh wow. I hope it wasnt about us not wanting a black coach.
No no no. It was titled something like "Would Marquette hiring an African American coach be a good thing." It
wasn't saying it wouldn't be, I think the poster was thinking recruiting or something but definitely came out wrong. More ignorance than any type of hatred.
I'm going Stephens or the Michigan assistant who is suppose to be one of the best recruiters in the midwest.Our last two coaches have fit that mold,wouldn't be surprised if we continue down that stretch.
Quote from: Goose on March 27, 2014, 03:38:55 PM
Chico's
Martin has appeal to current kids and recruits.
Maybe he does....I would assume he appeals to Purdue as well.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 27, 2014, 03:44:48 PM
No no no. It was titled something like "Would hiring an African American coach be a good thing." More ignorance than hatred.
Oh I got you. Yea, ignorance indeed
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
I mean, we are either going to have to believe Jeff Goodman that Marquette was in contact with Shaka Smart or the anonymous VCU posters that have come onto this board.
Obviously, a clear thinking individual will listen to the VCU posters. They have zero agenda or bias in this.
I'm assuming you are addressing me with this statement and as I've posted on here before, there is no need to be condescending.
The story I have stuck with on this forum is that Shaka was never interested in the Marquette position. I also claimed that someone high up in the VCU athletic department informed me that Shaka himself never directly talked with anyone at MU. Goodman's tweet was left open to interpretation and it certainly isn't outside the realm of possibilities that "talking" implied nothing more than discussions with his agent. It is also possible that Shaka did engage in some discussion but I remain convinced that it was for nothing more than leverage.
You and others on this forum have claimed to know information as well. I specifically recall you mentioning a team meeting that I do not believe occurred, although we can agree to disagree on that matter. Where is your criticism of other insiders though, those who argued that a Shaka signing was imminent? Why is only what I claimed to know subject to your ridicule?
My overall point here is that, during times of confusion (i.e. multiple sources clashing and rampant speculation), it is best to err on the side of caution, especially in light of the fact that Goodman nor any other national reporter had verified any of the claims being made here. I don't think that is too radical of a position to hold.
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Don't think Duke or Cuse is something he'd go for. I think most VCU fans would assume he's gone if Florida opens up after Donovan leaves. The only minor setback about that job is football may be more important to the AD.
Which is when, 15 years form now? UCLA and Indiana may open up relatively soon (under 5 years)...but that's about it for the big boys. 5 years for one of the blue bloods is even stretching it.
Duane Stevens? I lobbed that out too and it got crushed.
Quote from: Warrior Ram on March 27, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
I'm assuming you are addressing me with this statement and as I've posted on here before, there is no need to be condescending.
Have you met the kettle?
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Don't think Duke or Cuse is something he'd go for. I think most VCU fans would assume he's gone if Florida opens up after Donovan leaves. The only minor setback about that job is football may be more important to the AD.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 27, 2014, 03:46:52 PM
Which is when, 15 years form now? UCLA and Indiana may open up relatively soon (under 5 years)...but that's about it for the big boys. 5 years for one of the blue bloods is even stretching it.
Not to mention...that generally it sucks to follow a legend. It's better to be the guy that follows the guy that follows the legend.
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Don't think Duke or Cuse is something he'd go for. I think most VCU fans would assume he's gone if Florida opens up after Donovan leaves. The only minor setback about that job is football may be more important to the AD.
You can think all you want. You have no idea where he would want to go to. So he would choose florida but not really because football is king. Yet he would pass up Duke? There seems to be some kind of reverse logic to this.
You guys hope he is waiting for Florida because Donovan might be there quite a while yet. On the other hand, Duke, Syracuse, UNC and a few others might be open sooner.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2014, 03:49:18 PM
Have you met the kettle?
So you think they're looking for a black candidate too, ain'a?
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Don't think Duke or Cuse is something he'd go for. I think most VCU fans would assume he's gone if Florida opens up after Donovan leaves. The only minor setback about that job is football may be more important to the AD.
He'd crawl naked all the way to Durham over broken glass. Don't kid yourself.
Contribute more than you consume. Be a fountain, not a drain
How about any that are coaching still in the NIT. One Richard Pitino, for example
First, some may like Goodman and some may not, but he is in the big leagues as compared to IWB, Dodds or whoever in the local area. We are talking CBS and ESPN and not some Wisconsin prep talk. He has the national contacts, is on site at a regional and is not just sitting at a computer reading threads and twitters. I will pay attention to what he comments on.
That said, he sort of brushed off Smart, but 3M a year and above is crazy money, getting close to Calipari and Pitino range. That is tough to turn down.
The mystery man aspect is interesting, but remember and Chicos and I and others mentioned it earlier, Martin was on life support before his team got hot. I can't put a grip on it why MU would reach out to him, since really no ties with region or anything. Bennett would be the logical mystery man, but he has his team to the Sweet 16, a #1 seed and plays in the ACC. Would MU pay him that crazy money or just below. I think he makes 1.3M at Virginia.
Dawkins? When did his name come up or is it just guessing.
Quote from: palmetto king on March 27, 2014, 04:00:58 PM
How about any that are coaching still in the NIT. One Richard Pitino, for example
Unproven
Quote from: nyg on March 27, 2014, 04:01:42 PM
Dawkins? When did his name come up or is it just guessing.
Just guessing on my part. i don't think i heard it anywhere else, though for no real reason, I would wager a lot that MU is looking at him.
When it's reported we'll pay 3 million, I can assure nearly every coach in the country is kicking the tires. Most just want a raise. MU is getting some people rich this month.
Good thing the DIII championships are over. Our mystery candidate probably won't be from Whitewater.
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Don't think Duke or Cuse is something he'd go for. I think most VCU fans would assume he's gone if Florida opens up after Donovan leaves. The only minor setback about that job is football may be more important to the AD.
Football MAY be more important that basketball at Florida? Son that is the SEC... Football is GOD in the SEC. I can guarantee you that 80% of UF people will take a win against UGA in football over a Final Four appearance.
Quote from: nyg on March 27, 2014, 04:01:42 PM
First, some may like Goodman and some may not, but he is in the big leagues as compared to IWB, Dodds or whoever in the local area. We are talking CBS and ESPN and not some Wisconsin prep talk. He has the national contacts, is on site at a regional and is not just sitting at a computer reading threads and twitters. I will pay attention to what he comments on.
That said, he sort of brushed off Smart, but 3M a year and above is crazy money, getting close to Calipari and Pitino range. That is tough to turn down.
The mystery man aspect is interesting, but remember and Chicos and I and others mentioned it earlier, Martin was on life support before his team got hot. I can't put a grip on it why MU would reach out to him, since really no ties with region or anything. Bennett would be the logical mystery man, but he has his team to the Sweet 16, a #1 seed and plays in the ACC. Would MU pay him that crazy money or just below. I think he makes 1.3M at Virginia.
Dawkins? When did his name come up or is it just guessing.
You hit the nail right on the head about Goodman. I will always find him more credible than the "local" guys any day.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 27, 2014, 03:46:52 PM
Which is when, 15 years form now? UCLA and Indiana may open up relatively soon (under 5 years)...but that's about it for the big boys. 5 years for one of the blue bloods is even stretching it.
Because Shaka comes from the Donovan tree, and their styles are similar. He could take Donovan's players and not miss a beat. His style of play translates well to the SEC, and he has ties down to Florida going back to his assistant days.
Not saying he would reject an offer from Duke or Cuse outright, but if I had to bet my savings on one program where I think both sides would come to a quick resolution and he would become coach: it's Florida without a doubt.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 27, 2014, 04:04:09 PM
Just guessing on my part. i don't think i heard it anywhere else, though for no real reason, I would wager a lot that MU is looking at him.
OK, without the guessing game,and using logic and common sense, then it comes down to Martin or Bennett as the mystery man. I can't see Martin, but who knows. Bennett by the way makes 1.7M a year at UVA.
@JimOwczarski Everyone assumes the "mystery candidate" for #mubb is a head coach....
My thought exactly as I read through this post...
Have ESPN re-assign the story to Katz.
Buzz was making a ton of money, and he still left (for less $). Would it even be prudent to just throw >$3M at SS to get him to come here? I am just trying to convince myself to let it go.
I wonder if executive pay is a little harder to come by for the university now that we have our first lay president. Any idea what they'll pay him?
Quote from: Warrior Ram on March 27, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
I'm assuming you are addressing me with this statement and as I've posted on here before, there is no need to be condescending.
The story I have stuck with on this forum is that Shaka was never interested in the Marquette position. I also claimed that someone high up in the VCU athletic department informed me that Shaka himself never directly talked with anyone at MU. Goodman's tweet was left open to interpretation and it certainly isn't outside the realm of possibilities that "talking" implied nothing more than discussions with his agent. It is also possible that Shaka did engage in some discussion but I remain convinced that it was for nothing more than leverage.
You and others on this forum have claimed to know information as well. I specifically recall you mentioning a team meeting that I do not believe occurred, although we can agree to disagree on that matter. Where is your criticism of other insiders though, those who argued that a Shaka signing was imminent? Why is only what I claimed to know subject to your ridicule?
My overall point here is that, during times of confusion (i.e. multiple sources clashing and rampant speculation), it is best to err on the side of caution, especially in light of the fact that Goodman nor any other national reporter had verified any of the claims being made here. I don't think that is too radical of a position to hold.
Let's just set the record straight. You are wrong on many levels here. I don't need to cite any sources, you just are. Smart is/was flirting with the idea and doing his due diligence. Eventually, it will all come out. And that will occur even if Smart remains the VCU coach or not. His flirting isn't a slam on VCU, it's human nature. I think both institutions have an inflated view of the world. Shaka will move on. If not us, someone else. It happens. The reason a guy like Goodman puts out a "no-info" tweet like that is because no one is talking to the national media/twitter guys because there is currently nothing to say. It may well all fall apart, but don't be so naive to think that he hasn't been in conversations all week. Yes, him. #anyonebutwardle
Quote from: MUAlum99 on March 27, 2014, 04:09:18 PM
@JimOwczarski Everyone assumes the "mystery candidate" for #mubb is a head coach....
My thought exactly as I read through this post...
This wouldn't be the first time this board heard the name Dwayne Stephens thrown out.
An assistant seems far more likely than Tony Bennett leaving UVA.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 27, 2014, 03:25:36 PM
Dayton: Archie Miller : Just got extended... doubt it.
Sean Miller signed an 10-year extension (through 2018) with Xavier. He left for Arizona inside of one year.
The extention is irrelevant. The only thing that would matter is the size of the buyout.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:12:50 PM
Let's just set the record straight. You are wrong on many levels here. I don't need to cite any sources, you just are. Smart is/was flirting with the idea and doing his due diligence. Eventually, it will all come out. And that will occur even if Smart remains the VCU coach or not. His flirting isn't a slam on VCU, it's human nature. I think both institutions have an inflated view of the world. Shaka will move on. If not us, someone else. It happens. The reason a guy like Goodman puts out a "no-info" tweet like that is because no one is talking to the national media/twitter guys because there is currently nothing to say. It may well all fall apart, but don't be so naive to think that he hasn't been in conversations all week. Yes, him. #anyonebutwardle
If MU is really offering $3MM+ and Shaka is currently at $1.2MM, how much more can VCU even offer? VCU is a State school, right? Would they even be able to get his salary up to $2MM?
Quote from: The Lens on March 27, 2014, 03:32:20 PM
Let's grab Howland & go to work.
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Leonard Hamilton, FSU, ? Larry Brown, SMU? Look the point is, an offer will eventually be made and accepted. The new coach will be judged on certain criteria: wins and losses; whether he runs an ethically clean program, and whether his players are in a position to receive an education with the goal of graduation for those that remain the allotted time. I have supported this team when we were a premier program and when we were awful, and everything in between. Marquette U. provided me with an excellent education. Marquette basketball provided me with entertainment, and still does. Although frustrating, we may lose recruits with the new hire. Nevertheless, every year that I have followed this program, there have always been others to replace them. I have cheered just as hard for us when we were in all the various conferences in which we found ourselves, including Conference USA when we went to the FF. Those are my two cents worth.
Quote from: LastWarrior on March 27, 2014, 04:16:43 PM
If MU is really offering $3MM+ and Shaka is currently at $1.2MM, how much more can VCU even offer? VCU is a State school, right? Would they even be able to get his salary up to $2MM?
I don't believe the $3 million figure is true. Just how long would you have to think about doubling you salary by moving back home? Makes no sense.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:12:50 PM
Let's just set the record straight. You are wrong on many levels here. I don't need to cite any sources, you just are. Smart is/was flirting with the idea and doing his due diligence. Eventually, it will all come out. And that will occur even if Smart remains the VCU coach or not. His flirting isn't a slam on VCU, it's human nature. I think both institutions have an inflated view of the world. Shaka will move on. If not us, someone else. It happens. The reason a guy like Goodman puts out a "no-info" tweet like that is because no one is talking to the national media/twitter guys because there is currently nothing to say. It may well all fall apart, but don't be so naive to think that he hasn't been in conversations all week. Yes, him. #anyonebutwardle
I thought I made it clear in my post that I believed there was a possibility Shaka engaged in discussion. My point was that I believed his intention all along was to gain leverage...nothing more.
Again, though, your post begs the question: why should I weigh the validity of your sources over mine? Just because you say so? The bolded part makes no sense. My train of thought assumes the status quo. That has been the safest bet the whole time here.
You posted the other day: "Also just confirmed Shaka!!!!" Obviously, that didn't turn out to be true. Why should I trust that the people you have been speaking with are in the know? Your position assumes quite a bit more than mine.
Quote from: MUAlum99 on March 27, 2014, 04:09:18 PM
@JimOwczarski Everyone assumes the "mystery candidate" for #mubb is a head coach....
My thought exactly as I read through this post...
D. Stephens, MSU. Still my out of the box candidate.
Just hire Howland.
He WANTS to be here. It seems that sets him apart, perhaps, from other big names thrown about on here.
Oh...and he's MUCH more accomplished than EVERY other name considered.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 27, 2014, 04:12:54 PM
This wouldn't be the first time this board heard the name Dwayne Stephens thrown out.
An assistant seems far more likely than Tony Bennett leaving UVA.
I would be absolutely fine with Dwayne Stephens.
Quote from: nyg on March 27, 2014, 04:01:42 PM
First, some may like Goodman and some may not, but he is in the big leagues as compared to IWB, Dodds or whoever in the local area. We are talking CBS and ESPN and not some Wisconsin prep talk. He has the national contacts, is on site at a regional and is not just sitting at a computer reading threads and twitters. I will pay attention to what he comments on.
That said, he sort of brushed off Smart, but 3M a year and above is crazy money, getting close to Calipari and Pitino range. That is tough to turn down.
The mystery man aspect is interesting, but remember and Chicos and I and others mentioned it earlier, Martin was on life support before his team got hot. I can't put a grip on it why MU would reach out to him, since really no ties with region or anything. Bennett would be the logical mystery man, but he has his team to the Sweet 16, a #1 seed and plays in the ACC. Would MU pay him that crazy money or just below. I think he makes 1.3M at Virginia.
Dawkins? When did his name come up or is it just guessing.
He's also super busy. He puts out the transfer list, which coaches literally pester him about, he's covering games, and he's trying to cover the coaching carousel.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2014, 04:26:42 PM
D. Stephens, MSU. Still my out of the box candidate.
Chords said this is not a stepping stone job. Therefore, I think we will get an already established coach.
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 04:08:31 PM
Because Shaka comes from the Donovan tree, and their styles are similar. He could take Donovan's players and not miss a beat. His style of play translates well to the SEC, and he has ties down to Florida going back to his assistant days.
Not saying he would reject an offer from Duke or Cuse outright, but if I had to bet my savings on one program where I think both sides would come to a quick resolution and he would become coach: it's Florida without a doubt.
Did you completely miss my point? WHEN IS DONOVAN LEAVING FLORIDA? He's not even 50! Shaka isn't "waiting" for that job. Could be waiting for 20 years.
Quote from: humanlung on March 27, 2014, 04:28:37 PM
Just hire Howland.
He WANTS to be here. It seems that sets him apart, perhaps, from other big names thrown about on here.
Oh...and he's MUCH more accomplished than EVERY other name considered.
I agree, Shaka ain't happening.....Howland is better than Cuonzo or Wardle or anyone left except Marshall who MU seems is not interested in.
Quote from: LastWarrior on March 27, 2014, 04:16:43 PM
If MU is really offering $3MM+ and Shaka is currently at $1.2MM, how much more can VCU even offer? VCU is a State school, right? Would they even be able to get his salary up to $2MM?
I know this will sound strange to some, but with him it's not all about money. It's about EVERYTHING. Every single detail will be scrutinized. I can't stress this fact enough.
Quote from: nyg on March 27, 2014, 04:09:15 PM
OK, without the guessing game,and using logic and common sense, then it comes down to Martin or Bennett as the mystery man.
I'm sorry, what exactly makes those two logical, and more than guessing?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 27, 2014, 04:04:09 PM
Just guessing on my part. i don't think i heard it anywhere else, though for no real reason, I would wager a lot that MU is looking at him.
Got word that Cuonzo contacted MU and not the other way around. Would make sense if word is out there that we want a black coach.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:33:04 PM
I know this will sound strange to some, but with him it's not all about money. It's about EVERYTHING. Every single detail will be scrutinized. I can't stress this fact enough.
+1 and this is why things are done in public that don't entirely make sense now.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 27, 2014, 04:31:13 PM
Did you completely miss my point? WHEN IS DONOVAN LEAVING FLORIDA? He's not even 50! Shaka isn't "waiting" for that job. Could be waiting for 20 years.
I got your point, responding to your quote was just because I had to respond to someone's.
Donovan just re-upped for 5 years, just don't know if the Association is in his future. After going through multiple programs trying to grab Smart, and seeing what he demands of VCU each time, one can reasonably see where his priorities may be.
Some here keep stating "return home". Home is a double edged sword, he knows Wisconsin well, and had a rough time in his upbringing. MU brings a lot to the table, money, facilities, the will to win at the highest level with the assets to do so. Hes obviously very engaged with VCU and doesn't take leaving very lightly.
When he was a DIII point guard, his coach his program. Listening to his speeches (there was a great speech of his at Kenyon college, it was about an hour, was on YouTube but since taken down due to revealing some personal aspects of our players- ones parents died when he was young in a car crash) you can see that it will always be hard for him to leave players who he has committed to. VCU was just lucky to have an administration, and the Villa 7, and knew he'd do fairly well. If someone else had hired him, I think he'd have just as hard a time leaving, as long as the program kept committing itself to the basketball side of operations.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 27, 2014, 04:37:28 PM
Got word that Cuonzo contacted MU and not the other way around. Would make sense if word is out there that we want a black coach.
Good grief...seriously? Got word. Who got word? From whom? Was he on the plane to Richmond too? You'll forgive me if I am a touch skeptical after the past few days.
Quote from: Warrior Ram on March 27, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
I thought I made it clear in my post that I believed there was a possibility Shaka engaged in discussion. My point was that I believed his intention all along was to gain leverage...nothing more.
Again, though, your post begs the question: why should I weigh the validity of your sources over mine? Just because you say so? The bolded part makes no sense. My train of thought assumes the status quo. That has been the safest bet the whole time here.
You posted the other day: "Also just confirmed Shaka!!!!" Obviously, that didn't turn out to be true. Why should I trust that the people you have been speaking with are in the know? Your position assumes quite a bit more than mine.
I simply passed on yet-to-be corroborated by IWB tweet early. Things have changed since then. There are a few here who know the actual guys in the room. Time will tell.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2014, 04:26:42 PM
D. Stephens, MSU. Still my out of the box candidate.
I haven't heard much about Stephens since he left MU. Is he the associate head coach or just an assistant? As I recall when working for Crean he was considered a good recruiter and we felt he was good with Post Player Development.
If MU is going to take a chance on a assistant he'd have to be a very hot commodity. The last to guys I can remember who had that can't miss rep were Crean and Pastner. But when we took Crean we had to take a chance like that. Unless Cords just thinks he has the midas touch hiring an assistant would be risking and we'd probably take a hit in the short term
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 27, 2014, 04:37:28 PM
Got word that Cuonzo contacted MU and not the other way around. Would make sense if word is out there that we want a black coach.
Cuonzo is feeling very unloved right now.
The fact that Pearl still lives in Knoxville, was/is very popular around town and is still missed by a great majority of the Vol fans has been tough on Martin.
This was a big topic of discussion on both ESPN and CBS sports radio within the last few days and all feel he is being very unfairly treated. This alone would explain reaching out to MU.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:44:16 PM
I simply passed on yet-to-be corroborated by IWB tweet early. Things have changed since then. There are a few here who know the actual guys in the room. Time will tell.
Fair enough. I'll respect the process. I probably need to back away from the keyboard for a while, like many others here.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 27, 2014, 04:30:10 PM
Chords said this is not a stepping stone job. Therefore, I think we will get an already established coach.
The point of stepping stone job is the guys that leave for bigger gigs. I realize the younger you are, the more likely you are to leave and then it becomes "stepping stone" criteria. To a large extent, every job is a stepping stone in athletics sans a handful. To me it matters where they go next. If you leave MU for a blueblood program, God Bless you..it is what it is. If you leave for Tennessee or Va. Tech, that's a different animal.
Also, at some point I don't want to take an established coach jut for the same of taking an established coach if I think an assistant will do a bang up job. Don't get me wrong, assistants are way down my list this time around just as they were in 2008, I want MU to act like a big boy and hope that is the case....but not if it means hiring someone that isn't going to cut it. There's a point where you look at a few assistants as well.
Quote from: chapman on March 27, 2014, 03:40:07 PM
Garbage, won't come, is called the Mayor of Ames, and a hair above Wardle.
Hoiberg is an excellent coach who I would love to have. But the only way he ever leaves ISU is for the NBA.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 27, 2014, 04:47:26 PM
I haven't heard much about Stephens since he left MU. Is he the associate head coach or just an assistant? As I recall when working for Crean he was considered a good recruiter and we felt he was good with Post Player Development.
If MU is going to take a chance on a assistant he'd have to be a very hot commodity. The last to guys I can remember who had that can't miss rep were Crean and Pastner. But when we took Crean we had to take a chance like that. Unless Cords just thinks he has the midas touch hiring an assistant would be risking and we'd probably take a hit in the short term
He was promoted to associate head coach two years ago.
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/061212aaa.html
Welcome to MU Dwayne Stephens!!!!! Woooooooo!
Quote from: brandx on March 27, 2014, 04:50:56 PM
Hoiberg is an excellent coach who I would love to have. But the only way he ever leaves ISU is for the NBA.
Completely agree. He is loaded with talent at ISU, and he walks on water there. They'll throw more money at him after this season I'm sure. ISU was a legit title contender before Niang broke his foot in the tourney; could still see them making the Final Four. I could see him taking an NBA job at some point, and he will certainly have options there going forward.
Quote from: brandx on March 27, 2014, 04:50:56 PM
Hoiberg is an excellent coach who I would love to have. But the only way he ever leaves ISU is for the NBA.
Go after Steve Kerr! He has always just been a better version of Hoiberg! :)
Quote from: mugoose on March 27, 2014, 03:47:15 PM
Duane Stevens? I lobbed that out too and it got crushed.
Well, if you misspelled both his first and last names like you did there, you could have confused people. Heck, some people might have thought you meant Brad Stevens. At least he fits the spelling of the last name you used. BTW, it's Dwayne Stephens.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2014, 04:26:42 PM
D. Stephens, MSU. Still my out of the box candidate.
With candidates like Ben Howland available. why would MU hire an unproven assistant with no head coaching experience?
Quote from: The Love House on March 27, 2014, 03:15:46 PM
Bennett turned us down repeatedly in the past and appears to be very entrenched at UV. No way he's our next coach.
plus he might have badger blood in him if he crosses the state line unless $$ are right, i guess that could trump all. i believe however, he is pretty comfy where he is, acc and all
Maybe the secret coach is Bo Ryan.
/mic drop
Just name Wainwright the new MU HC...
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on March 27, 2014, 04:33:04 PM
I know this will sound strange to some, but with him it's not all about money. It's about EVERYTHING. Every single detail will be scrutinized. I can't stress this fact enough.
I agree. I believe that all the misunderstanding on Monday was due to Shaka and MU agreeing on money and years and (at least) one person at Marquette not realizing that for Shaka that was just the start of the process.
First post and I'm waiting to get lambasted for it but hasn't Ben Howland accomplished much more than Shaka Smart? If Smart was our new coach and did well wouldn't we have the same old "Smart to (fill in blue blood school looking for a new coach)". Yes I'd be happy if Smart was our new coach. I'd be happier if it was Howland and we could join the ranks of sweet 16/elite eight/final four teams that have coaches that aren't on the carrousel every year.
Quote from: keyswarrior on March 27, 2014, 06:52:07 PM
First post and I'm waiting to get lambasted for it but hasn't Ben Howland accomplished much more than Shaka Smart? If Smart was our new coach and did well wouldn't we have the same old "Smart to (fill in blue blood school looking for a new coach)". Yes I'd be happy if Smart was our new coach. I'd be happier if it was Howland and we could join the ranks of sweet 16/elite eight/final four teams that have coaches that aren't on the carrousel every year.
Actually, that is a pretty standard comment around here.
The allure of Smart for me was the perceived bump in recruitin'. Whether Howland still has that, I'm not for sure.
Exactly what I was expecting
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2014, 06:56:40 PM
The allure of Smart for me was the perceived bump in recruitin'. Whether Howland still has that, I'm not for sure.
+1.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2014, 06:56:40 PM
The allure of Smart for me was the perceived bump in recruitin'. Whether Howland still has that, I'm not for sure.
I disagree.
Who's players are still playing in the NCAAT for UCLA? Pretty sure that's Howland's team. He's recruited and coached much better players than Shaka Smart ever has.
If it wasn't for parody in college hoops we would never have seen a VCU final four. While I would have been happy if Smart did accept the offer, a part of me feels like we missed out a whole lot of manufactured hype rather than a real proven winner.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2014, 06:56:40 PM
The allure of Smart for me was the perceived bump in recruitin'. Whether Howland still has that, I'm not for sure.
Same here. Even if just for the short term. Although, it wouldn't take much to put out a better lineup than the last coach this past season.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 27, 2014, 08:07:15 PM
I disagree.
Who's players are still playing in the NCAAT for UCLA? Pretty sure that's Howland's team. He's recruited and coached much better players than Shaka Smart ever has.
If it wasn't for parody in college hoops we would never have seen a VCU final four. While I would have been happy if Smart did accept the offer, a part of me feels like we missed out a whole lot of manufactured hype rather than a real proven winner.
That's at UCLA. You've got to be fairly dynamic to recruit to Milwaukee
Quote from: CoachingSearchNightmare on March 27, 2014, 08:15:55 PM
That's at UCLA. You've got to be fairly dynamic to recruit to Milwaukee
He recruited just fine at Pitt. It's no mid major but it's not exactly a sexy locale either.
So we get all excited about a guy that had a miracle run from richmond who's stringing us along vs. a guy that won at two schools and wants to be here? I'm on the Ben Howland bandwagon
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 27, 2014, 08:28:17 PM
He recruited just fine at Pitt. It's no mid major but it's not exactly a sexy locale either.
Yep. He brought plenty of good players to Pitt. He could do the same at MU.
And I get a sense kids might like playing for a guy who has put 14 players in the NBA....
Quote from: Gopher+RamFan on March 27, 2014, 04:40:55 PM
I got your point, responding to your quote was just because I had to respond to someone's.
Donovan just re-upped for 5 years, just don't know if the Association is in his future. After going through multiple programs trying to grab Smart, and seeing what he demands of VCU each time, one can reasonably see where his priorities may be.
Donovan already reneged on a job in the NBA
Quote from: CoachingSearchNightmare on March 27, 2014, 08:15:55 PM
That's at UCLA. You've got to be fairly dynamic to recruit to Milwaukee
there is some truth to that. However, in the past few years and the next few years. MU could do a lot worse than to snap up the Wisconsin/Milwaukee top level recruits. Howland I think can do this.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 28, 2014, 08:21:50 AM
there is some truth to that. However, in the past few years and the next few years. MU could do a lot worse than to snap up the Wisconsin/Milwaukee top level recruits. Howland I think can do this.
It's too early in the morning and I'm too lazy to comb through every post, but can someone weigh in on reasons that we would not hire Howland? I know the rumor was that he was asking for too much money... but, beyond that?
Quote from: PistolPete on March 28, 2014, 08:35:41 AM
It's too early in the morning and I'm too lazy to comb through every post, but can someone weigh in on reasons that we would not hire Howland? I know the rumor was that he was asking for too much money... but, beyond that?
I think the general question right now is not why we wouldn't hire him, but whether he still wants MU: Did he get jilted after expressing significant interest in MU last weekend only to have MU play footsie with Shaka for a week. I'm hoping that's not the case, and that we can get to terms with him quickly.
Quote from: MUMountin on March 28, 2014, 09:24:58 AM
I think the general question right now is not why we wouldn't hire him, but whether he still wants MU: Did he get jilted after expressing significant interest in MU last weekend only to have MU play footsie with Shaka for a week. I'm hoping that's not the case, and that we can get to terms with him quickly.
I have to imagine BW is not that soft, but admittedly the same thought has crossed my mind. MU is obviously vetting other candidates or it'd be a done deal by now.
Quote from: MUMountin on March 28, 2014, 09:24:58 AM
I think the general question right now is not why we wouldn't hire him, but whether he still wants MU: Did he get jilted after expressing significant interest in MU last weekend only to have MU play footsie with Shaka for a week. I'm hoping that's not the case, and that we can get to terms with him quickly.
If anything, wouldn't that bolster his position? We swung and missed on our presumed top candidate.
Quote from: MUMountin on March 28, 2014, 09:24:58 AM
I think the general question right now is not why we wouldn't hire him, but whether he still wants MU: Did he get jilted after expressing significant interest in MU last weekend only to have MU play footsie with Shaka for a week. I'm hoping that's not the case, and that we can get to terms with him quickly.
Agreed, I'm starting to think Martin might be #2 for MU.
Quote from: Goose on March 27, 2014, 03:38:55 PM
Chico's
Martin has appeal to current kids and recruits.
Was Martin in on Hill, JJJ, Cohen, Dawson or any of out other big recruits/players? If so, sounds like this hire might be worth considering further despite the fact it looked as though he was going to be out at Tenn a month or so ago.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 28, 2014, 08:21:50 AM
there is some truth to that. However, in the past few years and the next few years. MU could do a lot worse than to snap up the Wisconsin/Milwaukee top level recruits. Howland I think can do this.
Milwaukee is 10x better than Storrs, Connecticut...Kevin Ollie dont have any problems.
Quote from: MARQCAT on March 28, 2014, 09:41:38 AM
Was Martin in on Hill, JJJ, Cohen, Dawson or any of out other big recruits/players? If so, sounds like this hire might be worth considering further despite the fact it looked as though he was going to be out at Tenn a month or so ago.
I'd imagine he and JJJ are at least a little familiar.
Quote from: LAZER on March 28, 2014, 09:35:49 AM
Agreed, I'm starting to think Martin might be #2 for MU.
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Quote from: LAZER on March 28, 2014, 09:47:11 AM
I'd imagine he and JJJ are at least a little familiar.
No need to imagine. Even if he didnt recruit those guys they all will love him.
Quote from: LAZER on March 28, 2014, 09:47:11 AM
I'd imagine he and JJJ are at least a little familiar.
Per Rivals, both Hill and JJJ were offered by Tenn. So, Martin is familiar with these two.
You guys are all sleeping on Martin. I think he would do great at Marquette.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 09:51:26 AM
You guys are all sleeping on Martin. I think he would do great at Marquette.
Amateur hour. Everything Cords pointlessly spewed about this program being worth a damn yesterday will be proven false.
Has there been any legitimate recent talk/rumors lately about Howland and MU? It all kind of died down Monday, with rumors that he pulled out or his asking price was too high, but we don't know if that was all just conjecture.
I guess Goodman's piece counts, but I would like to hear more talk about Howland soon.
Quote from: PistolPete on March 28, 2014, 09:30:00 AM
If anything, wouldn't that bolster his position? We swung and missed on our presumed top candidate.
It depends on how emotional/proud the guy is. And, how much of the rumors he chose to believe.
If he's an all business type of guy, then I'd say yes, this just solidified his negotiating position. Rumor is that after Howland gave us his initial demand, we said that if we were going to spend that type of money, let's take a shot at Shaka. Since that fell through, Howland now knows that we're willing to pay a certain amount for the right candidate. And, after Shaka, he may be the best of the litter out there currently. So, he may as well hold out for whatever that amount is (if he knows it), or close to his original ask.
Just to be clear, I haven't seen anything credible that suggests that Howland actually has moved on/feels this way. As has been stated, if he's interested in jumping back into coaching, there aren't a lot of other great alternative jobs at this point. So, even knowing that he was our #2 (or #1b) choice, might not make a difference. Wake is really the only other significant contender, IMO, right now, and that program is in much more of a rebuilding mode after Bzdelik.
Quote from: chapman on March 28, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
Amateur hour. Everything Cords pointlessly spewed about this program being worth a damn yesterday will be proven false.
Your right. We are not experts but isnt it what this board is for? For us fans to have a voice rather anyone/u listen or not
It appears that Howland has a choice: Accept what MU is offering or say no and then take $1 million less per year somewhere else.
Quote from: chapman on March 28, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
Amateur hour. Everything Cords pointlessly spewed about this program being worth a damn yesterday will be proven false.
Teal?
Please?
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 09:51:26 AM
You guys are all sleeping on Martin. I think he would do great at Marquette.
The more I hear, the more I agree with you. I like where we have been going the last couple of years and think he can keep it up (and keep it together). Doesn't sound like he had a real fair shot at Tenn the way Pearl exited and hung around.
Quote from: chapman on March 28, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
Amateur hour. Everything Cords pointlessly spewed about this program being worth a damn yesterday will be proven false.
How quickly we all turn!
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Quote from: Warrior Ram on March 27, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
I thought I made it clear in my post that I believed there was a possibility Shaka engaged in discussion. My point was that I believed his intention all along was to gain leverage...nothing more.
Again, though, your post begs the question: why should I weigh the validity of your sources over mine? Just because you say so? The bolded part makes no sense. My train of thought assumes the status quo. That has been the safest bet the whole time here.
You posted the other day: "Also just confirmed Shaka!!!!" Obviously, that didn't turn out to be true. Why should I trust that the people you have been speaking with are in the know? Your position assumes quite a bit more than mine.
Anybody else really annoyed by this self-important know-it-all? The audacity.
Listen, kid. You think you are important enough that your "source" would fill you in on something that would potentially have negative ramifications (no pun intended) for a nationally-ranked, high-research university? Get real. Running into your microeconomics TA at the Qdoba on campus and him telling you that the pep rally will be starting an hour earlier than scheduled hardly constitutes inside info.
Who is on this board? Lawyers, doctors, professors, officers of the US military, former NBA players, well-connected businessmen in the Milwaukee area, some of whom serve on boards of Fortune companies. Shall I continue? Some of these people were gracious enough to share information with all of us. Now if that information makes you uncomfortable because it doesn't coincide with what the janitor at the Siegel Center told you, then scamper off back to the VCU board and continue your peddling about how we here at MUScoop are a bunch of utterly misinformed dolts who haven't a clue about your beloved Papa-Shaka. I'm sure they will welcome those stories with open arms, a bunch of snickering, and recounts of the wild, adventurous tales of the trolling that they did on Wake Forest's board.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2014, 10:21:00 AM
Teal?
Please?
After telling us how strong our program is yesterday, if Cuonzo Martin is the best hire gramps can come up with he should just go back to Idaho now.
Martin gives y'all wood? Really? Since we peed down our leg with Smart, I'd advise takin' our sweet ass time in pickin' the next target. Clearly don't see the negative in this strategy.
Quote from: Eldon on March 28, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
Anybody else really annoyed by this self-important know-it-all? The audacity.
Listen, kid. You think you are important enough that your "source" would fill you in on something that would potentially have negative ramifications (no pun intended) for a nationally-ranked, high-research university? Get real. Running into your microeconomics TA at the Qdoba on campus and him telling you that the pep rally will be starting an hour earlier than scheduled hardly constitutes inside info.
Who is on this board? Lawyers, doctors, professors, officers of the US military, former NBA players, well-connected businessmen in the Milwaukee area, some of whom serve on boards of Fortune companies. Shall I continue? Some of these people were gracious enough to share information with all of us. Now if that information makes you uncomfortable because it doesn't coincide with what the janitor at the Siegel Center told you, then scamper off back to the VCU board and continue your peddling about how we here at MUScoop are a bunch of utterly misinformed dolts who haven't a clue about your beloved Papa-Shaka. I'm sure they will welcome those stories with open arms, a bunch of snickering, and recounts of the wild, adventurous tales of the trolling that they did on Wake Forest's board.
As an attorney, I will be the first to admit that I am likely full of crap.
Quote from: Eldon on March 28, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
Anybody else really annoyed by this self-important know-it-all? The audacity.
Listen, kid. You think you are important enough that your "source" would fill you in on something that would potentially have negative ramifications (no pun intended) for a nationally-ranked, high-research university? Get real. Running into your microeconomics TA at the Qdoba on campus and him telling you that the pep rally will be starting an hour earlier than scheduled hardly constitutes inside info.
Who is on this board? Lawyers, doctors, professors, officers of the US military, former NBA players, well-connected businessmen in the Milwaukee area, some of whom serve on boards of Fortune companies. Shall I continue? Some of these people were gracious enough to share information with all of us. Now if that information makes you uncomfortable because it doesn't coincide with what the janitor at the Siegel Center told you, then scamper off back to the VCU board and continue your peddling about how we here at MUScoop are a bunch of utterly misinformed dolts who haven't a clue about your beloved Papa-Shaka. I'm sure they will welcome those stories with open arms, a bunch of snickering, and recounts of the wild, adventurous tales of the trolling that they did on Wake Forest's board.
Scoop Board > MU BOT?
Quote from: Eldon on March 28, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
That wonderful post that was already quoted a few times above.
pwned
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BEN F-ING HOWLAND!!!!!!
Quote from: Eldon on March 28, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
Anybody else really annoyed by this self-important know-it-all? The audacity.
Listen, kid. You think you are important enough that your "source" would fill you in on something that would potentially have negative ramifications (no pun intended) for a nationally-ranked, high-research university? Get real. Running into your microeconomics TA at the Qdoba on campus and him telling you that the pep rally will be starting an hour earlier than scheduled hardly constitutes inside info.
Who is on this board? Lawyers, doctors, professors, officers of the US military, former NBA players, well-connected businessmen in the Milwaukee area, some of whom serve on boards of Fortune companies. Shall I continue? Some of these people were gracious enough to share information with all of us. Now if that information makes you uncomfortable because it doesn't coincide with what the janitor at the Siegel Center told you, then scamper off back to the VCU board and continue your peddling about how we here at MUScoop are a bunch of utterly misinformed dolts who haven't a clue about your beloved Papa-Shaka. I'm sure they will welcome those stories with open arms, a bunch of snickering, and recounts of the wild, adventurous tales of the trolling that they did on Wake Forest's board.
Wow. The vitriol on here is unreal right now. You completely missed the point of my post. I was talking about simple logic. Your response is nothing more than an exaggerated appeal to authority.
At the end of the day, it seems as though the information I received was correct, as Shaka did not come to Marquette. Can't say the same about the "sources" on this board.
I'm hoping MU makes a solid hire here. Will make the next few years all the more enjoyable as a fan.
Quote from: ecompt on March 28, 2014, 10:17:36 AM
It appears that Howland has a choice: Accept what MU is offering or say no and then take $1 million less per year somewhere else.
Or skip all this college basketball craziness and keep leaving high off UCLA's buyout.
Quote from: nyg on March 28, 2014, 09:49:50 AM
Per Rivals, both Hill and JJJ were offered by Tenn. So, Martin is familiar with these two.
As was Diamond Stone.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 28, 2014, 11:11:42 AM
Or skip all this college basketball craziness and keep leaving high off UCLA's buyout.
Yes., that is an option, but it appears he really wants to get back into coaching.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 10:12:52 AM
Your right. We are not experts but isnt it what this board is for? For us fans to have a voice rather anyone/u listen or not
Only if your post count is high enough.
Quote from: thekahoona on March 28, 2014, 11:42:34 AM
Only if your post count is high enough.
Right..its funny but true!
Quote from: Eldon on March 28, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
Anybody else really annoyed by this self-important know-it-all? The audacity.
Listen, kid. You think you are important enough that your "source" would fill you in on something that would potentially have negative ramifications (no pun intended) for a nationally-ranked, high-research university? Get real. Running into your microeconomics TA at the Qdoba on campus and him telling you that the pep rally will be starting an hour earlier than scheduled hardly constitutes inside info.
Who is on this board? Lawyers, doctors, professors, officers of the US military, former NBA players, well-connected businessmen in the Milwaukee area, some of whom serve on boards of Fortune companies. Shall I continue? Some of these people were gracious enough to share information with all of us. Now if that information makes you uncomfortable because it doesn't coincide with what the janitor at the Siegel Center told you, then scamper off back to the VCU board and continue your peddling about how we here at MUScoop are a bunch of utterly misinformed dolts who haven't a clue about your beloved Papa-Shaka. I'm sure they will welcome those stories with open arms, a bunch of snickering, and recounts of the wild, adventurous tales of the trolling that they did on Wake Forest's board.
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