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Hey guys, is Todd Smith gone too? He seemed to be the real glue for the team.
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Assuming what this article says is true then I would expect Howland is the logical choice after Smart provided they can come to terms on the money. If not then pickem. Hope Howland is reasonable on the $$$ but if not I see them moving on IMHO which is less than I expected. We will see.
Quote from: Class71 on March 25, 2014, 06:29:09 PM
Assuming what this article says is true then I would expect Howland is the logical choice after Smart provided they can come to terms on the money. If not then pickem. Hope Howland is reasonable on the $$$ but if not I see them moving on IMHO which is less than I expected. We will see.
From a track record and likelihood of staying for the long haul standpoint, Howland was, is, and should be the clear choice.
SS might be the sensation now but if a man with THREE final fours and a chip on his shoulder after his last gig wants the job, you break the freakin' bank and give it to him!
Thank you for the update. Nice to know both Howland and Smart are still in play. Hopefully an announcement is nigh.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 25, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
Howland is not getting more money than MU. WF and/or BC are not going to pay him more and give him equal to better perks.
Agree that is likely the case provided emotion does not get in the way. I expect they will get it done.
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Sounds like MU talked, SS listened, MU offered, SS considered. Even Goodman seems to suggest this much happened.
So when the VCU AD saying their has been no contact it is BS.
You see it that way.
Wardle, ugh. Hey I loved Brian as a player here but he is simply not proven enough to take over MU at this point. He has not been involved in nearly the level of recruiting he would have to to succeed at MU. One good season followed by a home game in the NIT where he got blown out. Brian will be available 5 years from now when we probably will face another coaching change and if he has the credentials by then hire him. But right now hiring him would really be settling and we could easily become a middle to bottom dweller in the NBE. Don't do it!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2014, 06:11:15 PM
Hey guys, is Todd Smith gone too? He seemed to be the real glue for the team.
Todd Smith and Ernest Eugene are both still on staff.
http://www.gomarquette.com/athletic-dept/marq-athletic-dept.html
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 25, 2014, 07:10:03 PM
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Sounds like MU talked, SS listened, MU offered, SS considered. Even Goodman seems to suggest this much happened.
So when the VCU AD saying their has been no contact it is BS.
You see it that way.
Yes, agree except the BS part. That is, SS/MU may not have talked directly but through someone else. Obviously I do not know the details but I have seen in business and gov't many examples of ways to get around public relations issues such as this. That is, you answer the specific question and not the intent of the question. Guess that could be called BS, shrewed or some other less than desirable terms.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 25, 2014, 07:15:06 PM
Wardle, ugh. Hey I loved Brian as a player here but he is simply not proven enough to take over MU at this point. He has not been involved in nearly the level of recruiting he would have to to succeed at MU. One good season followed by a home game in the NIT where he got blown out. Brian will be available 5 years from now when we probably will face another coaching change and if he has the credentials by then hire him. But right now hiring him would really be settling and we could easily become a middle to bottom dweller in the NBE. Don't do it!
The way things are going, MU may be settling. May have to accept that. Wardle has more HC experience than Crean and Buzz combined when they were hired. Smart or Howland would be best, but this seems to be getting bleaker.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2014, 07:39:58 PM
The way things are going, MU may be settling. May have to accept that. Wardle has more HC experience than Crean and Buzz combined when they were hired. Smart or Howland would be best, but this seems to be getting bleaker.
Are you ever happy?
Quote from: humanlung on March 25, 2014, 06:58:47 PM
From a track record and likelihood of staying for the long haul standpoint, Howland was, is, and should be the clear choice.
SS might be the sensation now but if a man with THREE final fours and a chip on his shoulder after his last gig wants the job, you break the freakin' bank and give it to him!
Do you want the lingerie model, or the fat, frumpy girl with the great personality who will stay for the long haul?
Quote from: chapman on March 25, 2014, 07:16:33 PM
Todd Smith and Ernest Eugene are both still on staff.
http://www.gomarquette.com/athletic-dept/marq-athletic-dept.html
Good to hear!
Quote from: My source on March 25, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Do you want the lingerie model, or the fat, frumpy girl with the great personality who will stay for the long haul?
The one that wins more over the long term.
Quote from: My source on March 25, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Do you want the lingerie model, or the fat, frumpy girl with the great personality who will stay for the long haul?
in that case, no question. The lingerie model. Duh.
Quote from: PVMagic on March 25, 2014, 07:43:37 PM
Are you ever happy?
Yep. happy Buzz is gone. How about you?
Quote from: My source on March 25, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Do you want the lingerie model, or the fat, frumpy girl with the great personality who will stay for the long haul?
There was some guy who said to marry the average looking girl. Who was that? Oh yeah...Al McGuire.
Quote from: humanlung on March 25, 2014, 08:39:16 PM
There was some guy who said to marry the average looking girl. Who was that? Oh yeah...Al McGuire.
Except he was the lingerie model of coaches.
Quote from: humanlung on March 25, 2014, 08:39:16 PM
There was some guy who said to marry the average looking girl. Who was that? Oh yeah...Al McGuire.
Smart man
Quote from: humanlung on March 25, 2014, 06:58:47 PM
From a track record and likelihood of staying for the long haul standpoint, Howland was, is, and should be the clear choice.
SS might be the sensation now but if a man with THREE final fours and a chip on his shoulder after his last gig wants the job, you break the freakin' bank and give it to him!
Yes good hire, but no need to break the bank
Quote from: humanlung on March 25, 2014, 08:39:16 PM
There was some guy who said to marry the average looking girl. Who was that? Oh yeah...Al McGuire.
This is the same man who drunkenly set off for Ireland in a row boat. Then again if he was that drunk the average girl probably was pretty hot to him.
Quote from: My source on March 25, 2014, 08:45:16 PM
Except he was the lingerie model of coaches.
No. Tarkanian was. Maybe Dean Smith. Al was the neighborhood girl that was friends with everyone.
Quote from: Class71 on March 25, 2014, 07:32:13 PM
Yes, agree except the BS part. That is, SS/MU may not have talked directly but through someone else.
This is probably the more correct scenario, just going off what I know.
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 25, 2014, 09:02:42 PM
This is probably the more correct scenario, just going off what I know.
So theoretically Doc could have talked to him Monday and SS said he was interested. This got everyone going at marquette and created all the havoc on twitter. But he still wasn't sure about our athletic director and President. We said don't worry we're announcing our president on wednesday. Possible today James kearney reaches out and talks we make Shaka an official offer and allow him to think it over for a couple days. This fits into your Ads statements as well as the info released earlier today. I don't have inside knowledge but clearly there has been contact and Shaka would surely get a raise from being offered a contract nearly double his contract correct? You guys haven't released any new deal all your AD has said is as of today Shaka is our coach.
Quote from: zrjones13 on March 25, 2014, 09:08:46 PM
So theoretically Doc could have talked to him Monday and SS said he was interested. This got everyone going at marquette and created all the havoc on twitter. But he still wasn't sure about our athletic director and President. We said don't worry we're announcing our president on wednesday. Possible today James kearney reaches out and talks we make Shaka an official offer and allow him to think it over for a couple days. This fits into your Ads statements as well as the info released earlier today. I don't have inside knowledge but clearly there has been contact and Shaka would surely get a raise from being offered a contract nearly double his contract correct? You guys haven't released any new deal all your AD has said is as of today Shaka is our coach.
I was told yet again this evening that Shaka declined to speak with Marquette from the get-go and everyone in the athletic department down here knows it.
As I've said a few times, I think it's crazy how different the stories are at this point. It's probably not in my best interest to keep beating this dead horse on here though so I'll play the wait-and-see game from this point forward.
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 25, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
I was told yet again this evening that Shaka declined to speak with Marquette from the get-go and everyone in the athletic department down here knows it.
As I've said a few times, I think it's crazy how different the stories are at this point. It's probably not in my best interest to keep beating this dead horse on here though so I'll play the wait-and-see game from this point forward.
K, time to drop this now. Jeff Goodman and about 40 other reports have said otherwise.
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 25, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
I was told yet again this evening that Shaka declined to speak with Marquette from the get-go and everyone in the athletic department down here knows it.
As I've said a few times, I think it's crazy how different the stories are at this point. It's probably not in my best interest to keep beating this dead horse on here though so I'll play the wait-and-see game from this point forward.
Yeah I mean its weird how stories changed on both sides. Many of you Rams fans came on here saying sources say we never talked and then you changed your story. Clearly it wasn't a done deal but I'm just not sure its over. Do you agree that he would get a raise after this? Isn't he making about 1.5 million? I'm not saying he is all about the money but I'm sure he would want a little more, the practice facility, and a bigger recruiting budget.
Quote from: MUStudent on March 25, 2014, 09:17:38 PM
K, time to drop this now. Jeff Goodman and about 40 other reports have said otherwise.
Didn't really say that I was set on it. Just pointing out how different the scoop coming from within each athletic department is.
Quote from: zrjones13 on March 25, 2014, 09:18:23 PM
Yeah I mean its weird how stories changed on both sides. Many of you Rams fans came on here saying sources say we never talked and then you changed your story. Clearly it wasn't a done deal but I'm just not sure its over. Do you agree that he would get a raise after this? Isn't he making about 1.5 million? I'm not saying he is all about the money but I'm sure he would want a little more, the practice facility, and a bigger recruiting budget.
He might get a raise after this. Who knows. In the past he's pushed harder for more travel and accommodation funds, in addition to money for his assistants.
Quote from: Class71 on March 25, 2014, 07:32:13 PM
Yes, agree except the BS part. That is, SS/MU may not have talked directly but through someone else. Obviously I do not know the details but I have seen in business and gov't many examples of ways to get around public relations issues such as this. That is, you answer the specific question and not the intent of the question. Guess that could be called BS, shrewed or some other less than desirable terms.
I understand plausible deny-ability. But the AD takes a risk of looking clueless and stupid if (when?) Shaka jumps. Better to give a non answer ("he's our coach, he's great, looking forward to working with him for the next several years ... blah blah blah")
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 25, 2014, 09:32:49 PM
He might get a raise after this. Who knows. In the past he's pushed harder for more travel and accommodation funds, in addition to money for his assistants.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130327/vcu-shaka-smart/
So this was exactly a year ago in two days. He got a 300k raise and his contract extended. So they are probably working hard on this and we should hear something soon on either side. Clearly VCU sources have gotten misinformation and so have MU's. But the big guns like goodman said they are talking even if VCU says they aren't he just says he thinks he will stay. I think there is a lot of reasons he would come, mainly double his salary, practice facility, assistant coach budget, spending on recruiting, and close to his home. There are reasons he would stay such as he has a family there and if he keeps it up he could have a blue blood job which you stated before. I think your sources saying that shaka hasn't talked to marquette and our sources saying deal done make them both inaccurate and I don't trust them. I believe they have and may still be talking and until we sign another coach or I see a sports illustrated article saying he has signed an extension I will still think we have a chance.
Quote from: zrjones13 on March 25, 2014, 09:42:29 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130327/vcu-shaka-smart/
So this was exactly a year ago in two days. He got a 300k raise and his contract extended. So they are probably working hard on this and we should hear something soon on either side. Clearly VCU sources have gotten misinformation and so have MU's. But the big guns like goodman said they are talking even if VCU says they aren't he just says he thinks he will stay. I think there is a lot of reasons he would come, mainly double his salary, practice facility, assistant coach budget, spending on recruiting, and close to his home. There are reasons he would stay such as he has a family there and if he keeps it up he could have a blue blood job which you stated before. I think your sources saying that shaka hasn't talked to marquette and our sources saying deal done make them both inaccurate and I don't trust them. I believe they have and may still be talking and until we sign another coach or I see a sports illustrated article saying he has signed an extension I will still think we have a chance.
Fair enough. I'm looking forward to an announcement either way.
Quote from: Warriors+Rams on March 25, 2014, 09:56:28 PM
Fair enough. I'm looking forward to an announcement either way.
Me too its been a stressful couple of days. I see that your a fan of both so I could see why you would want shaka to stay and have mu get another good coach. When I saw the Buzz Williams news I immediately thought of Shaka I thought it was a pipe dream but then monday happened. I just want it to end with Marquette having a good coach and even if its an unknown name like Brent Williams I know the future is still bright here even though muscoop will freak. Hoping for Shaka but go mu either way