Sirius/XM Channel 91 right now. I'm on hold, hoping to ask Bill and Jeff Goodman (will be guest) to shed some light on our coaching search.
I'll post a response if I get some air time, or if they address my question.
From Goodman:
"I hate Twitter...my wife is going to divorce me because of social media.
Yes...Shaka Smart is talking to Marquette. Personally, I don't think he ends up taking MU.
Do you really think he's going to leave VCU to a school that doesn't have a Pres/AD...to a conference that doesn't give him a ton more visibility than the A-10? I say no. Shaka's a smart guy (no pun intended), but I just don't see it happening.
On the otherside, heard that Gregg Marshall is interested in Marquette...but I've also been told that Marquette is not necessarily interested in Gregg Marshall."
Nothing earth shattering - if we miss out on Shaka and Howland, and STILL don't have interest in Marshall, I'll be left scratching my head.
I've blocked off five hours today to dedicate to this circus. My helmet is on, and I'm strapped in.
Great... 4 days in and our hiring situation is being described as a circus..
Says a lot for the administration.
MU's administration is presumably handling it like it should. Quietly. Professionally. The circus is here. And on social media.
Quote from: Wade for President on March 25, 2014, 07:54:39 AM
From Goodman:
"Yes...Shaka Smart is talking to Marquette. Personally, I don't think he ends up taking MU. Do you really think he's going to leave VCU to a school that doesn't have a Pres/AD...to a conference that doesn't give him a ton more visibility than the A-10? I say no. Shaka's a smart guy (no pun intended), but I just don't see it happening."
I was traveling last week, so I missed a lot of the early reporting on Buzz's departure. But when I read things like this, I can't help but wonder how most national media would have responded to "Buzz to Va Tech" a day or two before it became official. Maybe a few would have said it was going to happen, but I think a lot would have said it doesn't make a lot of sense.
I'll wait for an official announcement before I get too excited or too disappointed.
Goodman also discussed the Oklahoma St job potentially opening up.
Buzz to Oklahoma State. Wonder if they have checked in to his VPI buyout yet?
On Twelfth Street: Fox 6 truck idling outside the Al with mast extended, tripod without camera on the sidewalk. What can it mean?
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2014, 07:59:49 AM
MU's administration is presumably handling it like it should. Quietly. Professionally. The circus is here. And on social media.
This. MU is trying to hire a coach. It's clear that they've offered the job to at least one guy (Smart) who nearly signed, or is still thinking of signing, or, frankly, has signed.
It's the leaks from "sources" that are the circus.
In conclusion, Twitter sucks donkey balls.
"Do you really think he's going to leave VCU to a school that doesn't have a Pres/AD...to a conference that doesn't give him a ton more visibility than the A-10? I say no. Shaka's a smart guy (no pun intended), but I just don't see it happening."
Wait, really? You mean sound reasoning and logic may play out here vs. delusional thinking?
Ummm, get Howland on the phone now and end this charade.
Quote from: Jim Sawdust on March 25, 2014, 08:05:34 AM
On Twelfth Street: Fox 6 truck idling outside the Al with mast extended, tripod without camera on the sidewalk. What can it mean?
means that they are doing a live shot for the morning news- following up, I'd suppose, on their claim last night about Shaka to MU.
will be interesting to see if they back down somewhat.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2014, 07:59:49 AM
MU's administration is presumably handling it like it should. Quietly. Professionally. The circus is here. And on social media.
IF it turns out Shaka is hired both sides will deserve huge amounts of praise for staying tight lipped and doing this the right way. Especially in today's social media frenzied landscape
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 25, 2014, 08:07:06 AM
Ummm, get Howland on the phone now and end this charade.
This!
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2014, 07:59:49 AM
MU's administration is presumably handling it like it should. Quietly. Professionally. The circus is here. And on social media.
Agree.
I was talking to a friend in NJ who admonished me for believing Shaka would come to MU. From the outside I can see the skepticism, but any alum or fan can justify having a certain coach. I was jacked all day yesterday. It's amazing how anyone has any credibility on Twitter yet every feed I read I gave credence to....why? I don't know I have a college degree from MU. The Jesuits taught me better.
Interesting that the only candidate that appears publicly to have any interest in MU...Marshall is not appealing to MU. Oh well another unproductive day ahead.
Twitter Tracker:
@AdamFinkelstein: Shaka Smart spoke to VCU commits & their coaches yesterday & assured them he isn't going anywhere
Quote from: MU B2002 on March 25, 2014, 08:25:18 AM
Twitter Tracker:
@AdamFinkelstein: Shaka Smart spoke to VCU commits & their coaches yesterday & assured them he isn't going anywhere
Curious, why did that come out five minutes after Shaka spoke to them? All these coaches and recruits twitter.
Quote from: MU B2002 on March 25, 2014, 08:05:16 AM
Goodman also discussed the Oklahoma St job potentially opening up.
Buzz to Oklahoma State. Wonder if they have checked in to his VPI buyout yet?
If he has not signed his contract (see Steve Alford to UCLA ... supposedly he never signed his extension so the high buyout was not applicable).
Quote from: MU B2002 on March 25, 2014, 08:25:18 AM
Twitter Tracker:
@AdamFinkelstein: Shaka Smart spoke to VCU commits & their coaches yesterday & assured them he isn't going anywhere
Well that does it for me. This charade is over...IWB should be ashamed of himself and lose all credibility.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 25, 2014, 08:07:06 AM
"Do you really think he's going to leave VCU to a school that doesn't have a Pres/AD...to a conference that doesn't give him a ton more visibility than the A-10? I say no. Shaka's a smart guy (no pun intended), but I just don't see it happening."
Wait, really? You mean sound reasoning and logic may play out here vs. delusional thinking?
Ummm, get Howland on the phone now and end this charade.
Yup agree. Lets not lose out on Howland because someone incorrectly leaked a story
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 25, 2014, 08:14:10 AM
IF it turns out Shaka is hired both sides will deserve huge amounts of praise for staying tight lipped and doing this the right way. Especially in today's social media frenzied landscape
Apparently we werent that tight lipped about it if IWB claimed it was a done deal.
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 25, 2014, 08:30:18 AM
Well that does it for me. This charade is over...IWB should be ashamed of himself and lose all credibility.
I'll be interested to hear his side of the story, but he knows his career rests on his name. He's not just guessing...I'd bet there's not even detective work here. He was 100% certain based on his sources. Sucks, but c'est la vie.
Honestly, it's pretty incredible how certain the VCU fans were about this. They've got themselves a great, stable coach. We need one of those.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 25, 2014, 08:07:06 AM
Ummm, get Howland on the phone now and end this charade.
Without taking the time to dig through 400+ posts, I thought I recalled several people saying that Howland had withdrawn his name from consideration. Is that true or not? According to Mike Hunt, he is still on the table and can be had at any moment. Not sure what to believe. Is Howland still in the running, yes or no?
IWB has embarrassed himself as a journalist and can never be taken seriously again.
Quote from: The Love House on March 25, 2014, 08:35:40 AM
Without taking the time to dig through 400+ posts, I thought I recalled several people saying that Howland had withdrawn his name from consideration. Is that true or not? According to Mike Hunt, he is still on the table and can be had at any moment. Not sure what to believe. Is Howland still in the running, yes or no?
I think his asking price was too high, so we moved to trying to spend that same amount to get Shaka. That's my guessing, no sources, reading between the lines of the billion words I've read about this over the last two days.
I'd bet, if option #2 fell through, he'd still be available ... but our leverage for working the salary down probably disappeared.
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 25, 2014, 08:30:18 AM
Well that does it for me. This charade is over...IWB should be ashamed of himself and lose all credibility.
Yep. Right or wrong, your name is your business.
Well, problem is, you got Wake and us now. There will probably be more jobs. If Howland does "want" the job, that helps both parties. If, he feels like he's been dicked with - which is part of the business - then who knows.
Again...bottom line is I don't trust this effing administration - or lack there of. It's a farce. They've had how many effing years now to get someone/people in place to run this university. It's a shite show and you are effing with the school's top money maker and top advertising face.
From a purely business perspective, this is laughable the way the school's operated. Vacant openings of top faculty and administration? There's a vacuum of leadership at that place.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but jesus aged Christ, how many years have we seen this school sit on its hands and bumble-eff things?
Howland's price is too high? Really? We are ready to pay someone $2.5-$3M a year. Get it done.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on March 25, 2014, 08:40:34 AM
I think his asking price was too high, so we moved to trying to spend that same amount to get Shaka.
Unfortunately, if Shaka falls through then Howland's asking price is only likely to go up, not down. I feel like we're getting played on both ends.
Quote from: The Love House on March 25, 2014, 08:45:42 AM
Unfortunately, if Shaka falls through then Howland's asking price is only likely to go up, not down. I feel like we're getting played on both ends.
That's what happens when MU is playing checkers and top proven/experienced/wanted coaches are playing chess.
Cords, Wild, Broeker, Strong. They've all been to the rodeo before.
Could some chuckleheads from the BOT be mucking it up? Lotta ego up there.
Only ones mucking it up are local media running with stories that have no truth. And whoever the sources are for leaking it to the media.
Bobby Knight to Wisconsin
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 25, 2014, 09:10:00 AM
Only ones mucking it up are local media running with stories that have no truth. And whoever the sources are for leaking it to the media.
Bobby Knight to Wisconsin
TAMU, don't convince yourself that if it wasn't for the media, Shaka would be at Marquette right now.
Shaka is a big boy. He's not about to let some internet dweebs decide his future. If he wants to come to Marquette, he will. If he doesn't, he won't.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 25, 2014, 09:10:00 AM
Only ones mucking it up are local media running with stories that have no truth. And whoever the sources are for leaking it to the media.
Bobby Knight to Wisconsin
I was only asking the question. See the ?
I was defending Corda, Wild, et al. and I agree that the local media are running with speculation.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 25, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
That's what happens when MU is playing checkers and top proven/experienced/wanted coaches are playing chess.
Please stop.
You have no idea what's happened or what is happening.
Quote from: Wade for President on March 25, 2014, 07:54:39 AM
From Goodman:
"I hate Twitter...my wife is going to divorce me because of social media.
Yes...Shaka Smart is talking to Marquette. Personally, I don't think he ends up taking MU.
Do you really think he's going to leave VCU to a school that doesn't have a Pres/AD...to a conference that doesn't give him a ton more visibility than the A-10? I say no. Shaka's a smart guy (no pun intended), but I just don't see it happening.
On the otherside, heard that Gregg Marshall is interested in Marquette...but I've also been told that Marquette is not necessarily interested in Gregg Marshall."
Nothing earth shattering - if we miss out on Shaka and Howland, and STILL don't have interest in Marshall, I'll be left scratching my head.
I've blocked off five hours today to dedicate to this circus. My helmet is on, and I'm strapped in.
Goodman is a hack ever since he moved to ESPN ... Of course the Big East offers more visibility than the A10 ... it's just that Goodman works for ESPN, which doesn't have TV rights to the Big East. Trust me, I'm a Xavier fan and suffered through the A10 for 20 years -- an occasional game on ESPN and a few games on CBS Sports net ... and then scrambled to find games on regional Fox networks ... this year I watched EVERY SINGLE Xavier game from the comfort of my home on national TV ... It is not even close: Big East> A10
By the way, good luck on your search, hope you land a good one.
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 25, 2014, 08:30:18 AM
Well that does it for me. This charade is over...IWB should be ashamed of himself and lose all credibility.
Ha, hope you see the irony in this.
I wonder if the delay might be related to lining up a meeting with the incoming Pres? Rumor was the choice is made but waiting for April to present to BOT.
Quote from: humanlung on March 25, 2014, 09:37:47 AM
I wonder if the delay might be related to lining up a meeting with the incoming Pres? Rumor was the choice is made but waiting for April to present to BOT.
First intelligent comment (I was going to say Smart) I have seen here in 24 hours..well done.
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
First intelligent comment (I was going to say Smart) I have seen here in 24 hours..well done.
BigDaddy has spoken guys......Its happening...
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
First intelligent comment (I was going to say Smart) I have seen here in 24 hours..well done.
DAMNIT BIGDADDY! I was just coming to terms with the fact that we are not in fact getting Shaka Smart, and now you pull this out?! UGH!
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
First intelligent comment (I was going to say Smart) I have seen here in 24 hours..well done.
Forget Goose and Keefe ... LISTEN TO THIS MAN!
Is BigDaddy84 a journalism student?
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
First intelligent comment (I was going to say Smart) I have seen here in 24 hours..well done.
annnnd... the zoo is taken back by the animals after this comment. (although, it may not allude to anything, and may just be giving a compliment given that everyone is all over the place with drivel and that this particular comment was the least sucky out of all of them...)
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
First intelligent comment (I was going to say Smart) I have seen here in 24 hours..well done.
Big Daddy in the house!
Why isn't he in Richhmond with the negotiatin' team?
So does this mean we have to wait till April to hear an announcement?
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Why not let this play out to see who the idiot is before throwing your hat in the ring?
Quote from: ecompt on March 25, 2014, 08:36:36 AM
IWB has embarrassed himself as a journalist and can never be taken seriously again.
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Thank you. This actually seems reasonable and hopeful at the same time. Well done
And boom.
Wow.
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Good stuff. Thanks for your insight. I also am pleased not to see Wardle listed.
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Called it as a deadline yesterday
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Excellent. Thanks for the comprehensive report.
Thanks Big Daddy.
I just hope we don't wait too long on Howland and move lower than #2.....
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 25, 2014, 11:36:47 AM
Forget Goose and Keefe ... LISTEN TO THIS MAN!
Don't throw Goose and Keefe under the bus, I am may not always agree with them, but they were sharing what they were hearing and passing it on. Don't shoot the messenger..they were not making it up. Some with in MU were misinterpreting info they got and so when others were getting this info and passing on they were sharing what they believed was true.
Go Warriors.
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Thank you for the responsible post. There are several people (IWB) who could learn how to do things from you.
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
First intelligent comment (I was going to say Smart) I have seen here in 24 hours..well done.
Thanks, BigDaddy. I appreciate it.
Quote from: windyplayer on March 25, 2014, 11:54:43 AM
Excellent. Thanks for the comprehensive report.
9. IC? Who is IC?
I have zero direct knowledge of whats going on, but I'd say our ability to provide resources to a coach puts us in a position to take our time a little more, I'd guess.
If you're Howland, you'd be wise to wait and see if you can land MU vs. Wake. Could mean $1m per year difference not to mention Assistants salary, budget, etc.
This allows us to potentlly be a bit more deliberate in our search and not rushed.
That said, LOCK DOWN SS! GET THE DAMN THING DONE!
Uh oh.
Moving on?
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
Talking about $3MM+?
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:58:07 AM
Don't throw Goose and Keefe under the bus, I am may not always agree with them, but they were sharing what they were hearing and passing it on. Don't shoot the messenger..they were not making it up. Some with in MU were misinterpreting info they got and so when others were getting this info and passing on they were sharing what they believed was true.
Go Warriors.
BigDaddy,
Thanks for all your posts. How about your take on BW's departure. In the past you have seemed to be very supportive of him and noted that some recruits are likely to come if BW is still here (e.g., MS, DS, etc.). Any insight you can provide on the deparute? I am sure it is too early to tell on any of the recruits until the kids know who they would be coming to play for so I will save that question for a later date.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 25, 2014, 12:18:02 PM
SS is probably gonna back out.
Better start singing sweet songs to Howalnd STAT
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Another angle ... send this to VCU's message boards and even its AD.
Maybe SS passes on MU but he will leave VCU for greener pastures. Maybe sooner than they think (hopefully later today!)
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Best 100th post in Scoop history?
Thanks for some peace of mind. I'm very pleased that the splash-names are still on here.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 25, 2014, 12:47:14 PM
Maybe SS passes on MU but he will leave VCU for greener pastures. Maybe sooner than they think (hopefully later today!)
Actually that would really suck.
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Well done, weeeellll done :)
Quote from: frozena pizza on March 25, 2014, 12:49:48 PM
Actually that would really suck.
Yea, but I would laugh my ass off at those VCU fans.
Quote from: BigDaddy84 on March 25, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
I am going to try this board one more time..so here it goes. This is what I know>
1. SS is #1 on the list.
2. An offer has been made to SS.
3. SS is ok with the terms of the agreement, but that does not mean that he has said yes to the agreement.. this may be where the confusion has come from. It is one thing to say I am ok with the terms of the agreement and another to say I am signing it. For example I have looked at properties to invest in and I have said I am ok with the terms, but in the end thought that I had a better place to invest. I asked if this was just a ploy to leverage more from VCU and the answer was they really think it is not.
4. It is not an easy decision for SS and he has lots of factors to consider. His pay would almost double at MU and other positives..back to Wisconsin, but he is really happy at VCU.
5. Biggest concern is not having a President and AD, does not know who he will be accountable to.
6. MU is really close to naming new President so there is work on to see if there is a way to get targeted new President to talk with SS to get some comfort. New targeted president is not a SOJ so if this discussion occurs then the there is no going back on who the new president will be. No guarantee this will occur.
7. Ben H. is #2 on list, discussion have occurred and may rekindle if SS does not move forward soon.
8. Gm #3...but no discussions at this time.
9. IC is not a candidate at this time.
10. IF SS does not agree today, Wednesday at latest, look for Ben H. to move to #1.
This is what I think. No one knows if SS is coming, maybe even himself. Until I see something solid from VCU or MU it is not done.
I do have great faith in Fr. W, but especially Bill C. He will do a great job. I suggest we all just relax.
In Bill I Trust!!!
Thank you BD84. Really appreciate the insight and how comprehensive this is. Also exciting is connecting the dots to see that the non-SOJ Prez is in line with what we've ben hearing about Kearney.
Always nice when someone can clear the air and cut down some of the disinformation that is out there. Best we can do is wait now and hope we hear one of those two names for HC!
Quote from: brandx on March 25, 2014, 11:58:55 AM
Thank you for the responsible post. There are several people (IWB) who could learn how to do things from you.
Amen. Well done. Thanks for the reasoned—and responsible—post.
BigDaddy
Thanks for the encouragement. Agreed we might not always be on same page but your insight is always welcome.
Thanks Big Daddy! (Although that sounds really weird in print).