Why else do you take the "DePaul of the ACC" for a paycut?
Something is not right with this decision.
Source thinks it has to do with the investigation and Cords "has been expecting" this for weeks.
Anyone heard something similar?
Bump
Did not hear anything similar, but once I processed what happened I saw this for what it was: a firing. If Marquette wanted to keep Buzz, he would almost assuredly still be the coach.
Think about it. Remember what Buzz always said: "I will be the Coach at Marquette as long as they'll have me." Are we missing the obvious and Marquette would no longer have Buzz?
Add to the fact that Buzz didn't leave for more money from a Blue Blood. He took a step up in a conference, but certainly a school with a lower profile in hoops (even if they did beat us in the NIT Finals in 1995).
Whatever the case, something here just doesn't add up and certainly doesn't "feel" right.
I'll repeat what I said earlier, I think you are going to hear a lot of interesting things over the course of the next week to one month
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:32:24 PM
I'll repeat what I said earlier, I think you are going to hear a lot of interesting things over the course of the next week to one month
+1
Emotional reactions and rumors abound.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 06:32:12 PM
Did not hear anything similar, but once I processed what happened I saw this for what it was: a firing. If Marquette wanted to keep Buzz, he would almost assuredly still be the coach.
Think about it. Remember what Buzz always said: "I will be the Coach at Marquette as long as they'll have me." Are we missing the obvious and Marquette would no longer have Buzz?
Add to the fact that Buzz didn't leave for more money from a Blue Blood. He took a step up in a conference, but certainly a school with a lower profile in hoops (even if they did beat us in the NIT Finals in 1995).
Whatever the case, something here just doesn't add up and certainly doesn't "feel" right.
Yeah this makes sense. Should be interesting to hear the whole story if it ever comes out.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 06:32:12 PM
Did not hear anything similar, but once I processed what happened I saw this for what it was: a firing. If Marquette wanted to keep Buzz, he would almost assuredly still be the coach.
Think about it. Remember what Buzz always said: "I will be the Coach at Marquette as long as they'll have me." Are we missing the obvious and Marquette would no longer have Buzz?
Add to the fact that Buzz didn't leave for more money from a Blue Blood. He took a step up in a conference, but certainly a school with a lower profile in hoops (even if they did beat us in the NIT Finals in 1995).
Whatever the case, something here just doesn't add up and certainly doesn't "feel" right.
+1
This is what I heard which you said better ... MU did not want him anymore.
Inquiring minds want to know now though!
Quite glad I'm here...something seemed fishy about this. I honestly am not that shocked, and after Crean left I vowed never to fall head over heels for a coach anyways. They all have bigger egos than I can trust. I'm also fairly confident the powers that be are going to make sure this program stays strong and competitive.
We are Marquette!
Squirmy 8-)
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 18, 2014, 08:18:06 AM
Let me summarize this thread ... Buzz is going to leave because his thinks the NBE sucks?
In the history of the NCAA has a coach ever left his school because of how he perceives his conference, rather than how he perceives his team? Crean left because Shumpert made him believe their was a recruiting ceiling here, nothing about the conference. Brad Stevens took a better job, he jump to a storied NBA franchise.
I think this is complete BS. If Buzz leaves its because he perceives a deficiency at MU that does not exist at his next job. Or he takes what he beleives is clearly a better job. That decision will never involve the perception of the conference.
You posted this in a discussion a couple of days ago. CBS sports lists this exact line of reasoning you find as BS as the reason Buzz left. What's your take now? I'm curious because what if there's nothing more to this.
I know we don't know anything besides rumors yet, but the whole "aw shucks" act combined with some of the confusing and sometimes boneheaded moves this season really put me off of Buzz.
We'll see in the next coming weeks. There have simply been too many problems with the program to feel comfortable with. Something just smells here--a pay cut, bottom feeder ACC school, and a quick bolt.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 06:39:58 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 18, 2014, 08:18:06 AM
Let me summarize this thread ... Buzz is going to leave because his thinks the NBE sucks?
In the history of the NCAA has a coach ever left his school because of how he perceives his conference, rather than how he perceives his team? Crean left because Shumpert made him believe their was a recruiting ceiling here, nothing about the conference. Brad Stevens took a better job, he jump to a storied NBA franchise.
I think this is complete BS. If Buzz leaves its because he perceives a deficiency at MU that does not exist at his next job. Or he takes what he beleives is clearly a better job. That decision will never involve the perception of the conference.
You posted this in a discussion a couple of days ago. CBS sports lists this exact line of reasoning you find as BS as the reason Buzz left. What's your take now? I'm curious because what if there's nothing more to this.
Buzz did not leave, MU asked him to leave
If true, then I hope the MU Administration comes clean and says so. Do not want an air of rumors hanging around the program forever. If not true, then dismiss the rumors, all in a statement.
For those in Milwaukee, any press conferences scheduled, etc. BY BOTH PARTIES?????
Let's also remember Buzz's 17-15 record. "You are your record" as Bill Belicheck says.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 06:40:51 PM
Buzz did not leave, MU asked him to leave
Is this the same 'source' that told you the program was under investigation that has been shown to be false?
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 21, 2014, 06:54:01 PM
Is this the same 'source' that told you the program was under investigation that has been shown to be false?
No different big donor alum
Whether there is an investigation going on or not we all know something was awry with Todd. hugs didn't want him despite his tattoo.
Quote from: Knight Commission on March 21, 2014, 07:01:20 PM
Whether there is an investigation going on or not we all know something was awry with Todd. hugs didn't want him despite his tattoo.
Huggins wanted Todd...recruited him hard...Todd chose MU over WVU...
Sounds like spin from people upset Buzz left.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:32:24 PM
I'll repeat what I said earlier, I think you are going to hear a lot of interesting things over the course of the next week to one month
Can you give us a preview?
I heard rumblings from a friend on the BOT earlier in the season. Was not high on Buzz despite being on the committee that hired him.
I'm not surprised, but disappointed. Thought somehow Buzz would get things straightened out.
I hope there isn't too much recruit fall-out.
At one point this year I was going to post a poll asking what would happen first, Buzz getting us to the final four or getting us on probation. I decided not to post that, since I'm not very liked around here to begin with. Also, I just went back to having another drink and forgot about posting the poll :)
Buzz thought about SMU. Ties to Gillespie. I knew one of his former neighbors who was an unceremoniously let go executive in the Milwaukee area.
I want to win above damn near all but this still hurts.
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 21, 2014, 07:28:44 PM
At one point this year I was going to post a poll asking what would happen first, Buzz getting us to the final four or getting us on probation. I decided not to post that, since I'm not very liked around here to begin with. Also, I just went back to having another drink and forgot about posting the poll :)
My kind of girl.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 06:40:51 PM
Buzz did not leave, MU asked him to leave
Well, if that is the case then we should be in good shape. Knowing you are going to dump your coach means Cords has been sniffing around for awhile now for new blood. On the other hand.......
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 21, 2014, 06:37:13 PM
Yeah this makes sense. Should be interesting to hear the whole story if it ever comes out.
Yes it will I want to hear what Duane Wilson has to say about his RS. People here tried to crucify me for bringing it up.
Lots of details will be flying.
Bottom line: Williams is a huge classless BSer.
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 21, 2014, 07:28:44 PM
At one point this year I was going to post a poll asking what would happen first, Buzz getting us to the final four or getting us on probation. I decided not to post that, since I'm not very liked around here to begin with. Also, I just went back to having another drink and forgot about posting the poll :)
Melissa--you are liked by some. Just not some of the huge Buzz slurpers, many whom are not saying much rifgr now.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 21, 2014, 08:18:12 PM
Melissa--you are liked by some. Just not some of the huge Buzz slurpers, many whom are not saying much rifgr now.
Many packed their bags and ran away at the first sign of adversity.
Just typed that about the departed posters, then had a moment when I realized how ironic that was.
Quote from: Ners on March 21, 2014, 07:13:19 PM
Huggins wanted Todd...recruited him hard...Todd chose MU over WVU...
Even if that was true it would raise more red flags.......
Something is up for sure.
Why else would he take VA Tech so quickly? The season is still going on. The coaching carasoul hasn't hardly even started. If he waits a few weeks a better job comes up for sure.
VA Tech with our without Buzz is not gonna ever be a top third team in the new ACC.
Im starting to believe some of this...
Maybe buzz leaving after last year was not far fetched
Sorry guys....No investigation. Get over it. The guy was an egotistical maniac. Good riddance.
Possibly long run last year dragged things out.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 08:54:54 PM
Sorry guys....No investigation. Get over it. The guy was an egotistical maniac. Good riddance.
Egotistical Maniac....At this level aren't they all.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 08:59:34 PM
Possibly long run last year dragged things out.
Earlier their was a post that said it was the $2m buyout that stopped Buzz from going to Minnesota last year. The source was a Minneapolis reporter. The year before was SMU, The year before that, as Hunt noted, Oklahoma was prevented by money from hiring Buzz.
This is why the administration (cords) was not caught flat-footed. Been working on this for some time.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 21, 2014, 08:18:12 PM
Melissa--you are liked by some. Just not some of the huge Buzz slurpers, many whom are not saying much rifgr now.
Not everybody who defended Buzz is gone. I supported him as much as anybody until about four hours ago. Now I recognize him for what he was. I was wrong.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 08:54:54 PM
Sorry guys....No investigation. Get over it. The guy was an egotistical maniac. Good riddance.
Who says there has to be an investigation in order for buzz to get axed?
This is not knee jerk decision. I love Buzz, but not for everybody. That said, he coached like a guy with a chip on shoulder this season which gives cause to long term commitment.
Quote from: Doo on March 21, 2014, 09:05:09 PM
Egotistical Maniac....At this level aren't they all.
At our old level probably, but with this "new" Big East...not necessarily no...Jay Wright, JT3, Cooley. I don't see that ego. Follow Jay on Twitter he's a good guy.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 09:06:34 PM
Earlier their was a post that said it was the $2m buyout that stopped Buzz from going to Minnesota last year. The source was a Minneapolis reporter. The year before was SMU, The year before that, as Hunt noted, Oklahoma was prevented by money from hiring Buzz.
This is why the administration (cords) was not caught flat-footed. Been working on this for some time.
Why did Marotta act so shocked?
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 21, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
Who says there has to be an investigation in order for buzz to get axed?
I certainly didnt...Buzz did not get fired...
Buzz was given an order/request and his ego couldn't budge so he bolted for the first job. Should have waited for OSU.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 09:11:43 PM
I certainly didnt...Buzz did not get fired...
Buzz was given an order/request and his ego couldn't budge so he bolted for the first job. Should have waited for OSU.
That's the odd thing, Wake, BC, Okla State and more coming next week (and the week after). Why didn't he wait? Could he have been in a hurry to get out of town?
I have no indication that he was asked to leave. But I am 100% certain that he had detractors at MU's highest levels. Best of luck Buzz. Thanks so much for the memories.
When the going gets tough, the _________ go to another school to coach
Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 09:11:43 PMBuzz was given an order/request and his ego couldn't budge so he bolted for the first job. Should have waited for OSU.
Is this you knowing something or speculating. I've lost track of who actually has connections here.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 09:11:43 PM
I certainly didnt...Buzz did not get fired...
Buzz was given an order/request and his ego couldn't budge so he bolted for the first job. Should have waited for OSU.
Doesnt seem very smart. I know for myself. If I am not happy at a job I start to put feelers out. Go on some interviews and do a complete search. Take the best job I can find after a thoughtful search. You know, leave when its convenient and best for me. Not for the company I am not happy with.
Helps us that he left early. We're not missing out on anyone now
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 08:48:25 PM
Maybe buzz leaving after last year was not far fetched
Goose, you were a year off, but you were the first to call this.
Real
Wish I was wrong but this was not out of the blue IMO. Much more to story, hopefully Hunt is in the ball and shares it.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 21, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
Doesnt seem very smart. I know for myself. If I am not happy at a job I start to put feelers out. Go on some interviews and do a complete search. Take the best job I can find after a thoughtful search. You know, leave when its convenient and best for me. Not for the company I am not happy with.
He doesn't have an agent. Maybe that was the one honest thing he said while he was here. Maybe Buzz is just a hillbilly from Texas who is actually genuinely unintelligent and didn't wait for a better job...
The guy was quirky beyond all belief. This looks like another quirk in the Buzz "BRENT" Williams saga.
Quote from: jsglow on March 21, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
I have no indication that he was asked to leave. But I am 100% certain that he had detractors at MU's highest levels. Best of luck Buzz. Thanks so much for the memories.
Because of his coaching this season?
Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 09:18:58 PM
He doesn't have an agent. Maybe that was the one honest thing he said while he was here. Maybe Buzz is just a hillbilly from Texas who is actually genuinely unintelligent and didn't wait for a better job...
The guy was quirky beyond all belief. This looks like another quirk in the Buzz "BRENT" Williams saga.
Not very realistic...
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Real
Wish I was wrong but this was not out of the blue IMO. Much more to story, hopefully Hunt is in the ball and shares it.
Thanks for laugh. It's just a shame put us through this depressing season before departing.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Real
Wish I was wrong but this was not out of the blue IMO. Much more to story, hopefully Hunt is in the ball and shares it.
.
Goose,
I had to laugh this morning when I saw your post from yesterday on Buzz not leaving. Then this afternoon took place.
You are right, there is much more to this story.
I haven't read all of the 385 new threads on Buzz's departure yet. Is there any news on what his assistants will be doing, and are any of them in consideration?
Quote from: CoachesCorner on March 21, 2014, 09:21:14 PM
Not very realistic...
As someone that listened to him 4 years ago as an incoming freshman...as someone who speaks English and sees Buzz' grammar I really don't find it too difficult to say the guy could have made a dumb choice...Crean gave him a chance, MU gave him a chance. He was a no one before that... Let's not give him too much credit
Quote from: Bleuteaux on March 21, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
Can you give us a preview?
Of course not. He doesn't back anything up. Unless he can say I told you so months down the road.
Real
A buddy I trust told me Buzz was staying but I did not believe it. Maybe wishful thinking, not on Buzz on leaving but afraid of next hire.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Real
Wish I was wrong but this was not out of the blue IMO. Much more to story, hopefully Hunt is in the ball and shares it.
If we have to wait for Hunt we'll never hear the real story.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 21, 2014, 09:11:09 PM
Why did Marotta act so shocked?
Because Marotta, and everyone else at Marquette, thought Buzz would/could "toe the line." But, for whatever reason, Buzz couldn't or didn't want to and he bolted for VA Tech. And Marquette didn't stop him, especially after a 17-15 season.
I don't think there are many tears at the AL tonight. This had to have been simmering for a while.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 21, 2014, 09:21:14 PM
Because of his coaching this season?
Performance this year not seemingly an issue that is directly involved. As I said, he was not fired as far as I can tell.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 09:31:07 PM
Because Marotta, and everyone else at Marquette, thought Buzz would/could "toe the line." But, for whatever reason, Buzz couldn't or didn't want to and he bolted for VA Tech. And Marquette didn't stop him, especially after a 17-15 season.
I don't think there are many tears at the AL tonight. This had to have been simmering for a while.
I have no specific inside info but everything I hear Avenues is close to the truth.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 09:18:58 PM
He doesn't have an agent. Maybe that was the one honest thing he said while he was here. Maybe Buzz is just a hillbilly from Texas who is actually genuinely unintelligent and didn't wait for a better job...
The guy was quirky beyond all belief. This looks like another quirk in the Buzz "BRENT" Williams saga.
Makes you wonder! If Milwaukee is a ncaab backwater then Blacksburg is in the outback. Maybe that's where Buzz wants to be.
Quote from: jsglow on March 21, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Performance this year not seemingly an issue that is directly involved. As I said, he was not fired as far as I can tell.
Defined fired? If he is let go, MU has to payout his contract. If he is "encouraged" to leave and does, MU doesn't have to pay.
Practically it is the same thing as being fired. If you have ever been on the receiving end of it, you would agree.
Fired or mutual parting of ways, is there a difference?
Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 09:10:22 PM
At our old level probably, but with this "new" Big East...not necessarily no...Jay Wright, JT3, Cooley. I don't see that ego. Follow Jay on Twitter he's a good guy.
Have friends that met him at a cocktail party at the Jersey Shore. Everything they said was; he is a great guy and great human being.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2014, 09:37:53 PM
Fired or mutual parting of ways, is there a difference?
I did not say mutual, he was "encourage" to leave. Or as Avenue Commons said, MU "didn't stop him." They wanted him to leave and not pay $15 million for it to happen. Buzz Obliged and took a paycut to make it happen.
Their might even be high-fives as some might be happy he is gone and thrilled he F'ed himself in the process.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 21, 2014, 09:40:41 PM
Have friends that met him at a cocktail party at the Jersey Shore. Everything they said was; he is a great guy and great human being.
Talking about Jay correct?
Terminations, voluntary or involuntary, either involve performance, or misalignment of values.
When you look at Buzz's body of work, it's hard to say it was performance.
Having someone whose values are poor make that individual toxic to a values based organization.
Buzz "seems" to have good values. That's why this is such a head scratcher.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 21, 2014, 09:36:43 PM
Defined fired? If he is let go, MU has to payout his contract. If he is "encouraged" to leave and does, MU doesn't have to pay.
Practically it is the same thing as being fired. If you have ever been on the receiving end of it, you would agree.
I think it is a stretch to even say he was directly 'encouraged'. My contacts were 'surprised' at 5p. And they would absolutely know if 'encouraged' or 'fired' had taking place. And not 2nd hand.
Please, I don't want to say more. Heisenberg has it very close: maybe 100%. Never know. Good luck coach and thanks.
Heisenberg
I said mutual over a year ago. Sometimes things are meant to change.
Quote from: jsglow on March 21, 2014, 09:47:25 PM
I think it is a stretch to even say he was directly 'encouraged'. My contacts were 'surprised' at 5p. And they would absolutely know if 'encouraged' or 'fired' had taking place. And not 2nd hand.
Please, I don't want to say more. Heisenberg has it very close: maybe 100%. Never know. Good luck coach and thanks.
Your post contradicts itself. You say Buzz wasnt encouraged to leave. Yet say the guy who has been most adamant he was encourage is close to 100%???
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 21, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
Terminations, voluntary or involuntary, either involve performance, or misalignment of values.
When you look at Buzz's body of work, it's hard to say it was performance.
Having someone whose values are poor make that individual toxic to a values based organization.
Buzz "seems" to have good values. That's why this is such a head scratcher.
From the public view, he has Buzz's bunch and suspends players when they break team rules. What else can you really think of? Buzz is a lot of talk outside of that. Consider the sexual assault allegations, the behavioral issues, and the seemingly lack of overall control. We make jokes of Friday afternoons to see what's going to come out of the basketball team this week. I'm not convinced Buzz is really a live your values kind of guy, but he talks up a great "aw shucks I'm humble" style speech.
Quote from: jsglow on March 21, 2014, 09:47:25 PM
Please, I don't want to say more. Heisenberg has it very close: maybe 100%. Never know. Good luck coach and thanks.
I understand you don't want to say more ... But is this something that will come out some day? Is there a story here? You guys have my curiosity peaked, but I don't have any connections. Just wondering if we'll ever know.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 21, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
Terminations, voluntary or involuntary, either involve performance, or misalignment of values.
When you look at Buzz's body of work, it's hard to say it was performance.
Having someone whose values are poor make that individual toxic to a values based organization.
Buzz "seems" to have good values. That's why this is such a head scratcher.
Chili. There are those in the know who have said Buzz was less than 100% genuine. I am a huge fan and I suspect they tempered their comments in my presence. I expect to hear things over beers in the coming weeks. I'm not sure I'll share.
Quote from: jsglow on March 21, 2014, 09:54:48 PM
Chili. There are those in the know who have said Buzz was less than 100% genuine. I am a huge fan and I suspect they tempered their comments in my presence. I expect to hear things over beers in the coming weeks. I'm not sure I'll share.
Your comments make sense.
Misalignment of values.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on March 21, 2014, 09:54:25 PM
I understand you don't want to say more ... But is this something that will come out some day? Is there a story here? You guys have my curiosity peaked, but I don't have any connections. Just wondering if we'll ever know.
Not absolutely sure I'll get more. Or if I'll share. I value my relationships. Just understand that not all were Buzz fans.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 09:41:53 PM
Talking about Jay correct?
Yes. Sorry. I got side tracked and this thread is evolving quickly. Jay Wright = Good Dude.
Quote from: jsglow on March 21, 2014, 10:02:22 PM
Not absolutely sure I'll get more. Or if I'll share. I value my relationships. Just understand that not all were Buzz fans.
Gotcha. Appreciate your discretion. You answered my question...mostly wanted to know if I should be keeping my eyes on ESPN for a story, or if this is just people being people. Sounds like the latter.
They wanted him to leave long before today.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 09:31:07 PM
Because Marotta, and everyone else at Marquette, thought Buzz would/could "toe the line." But, for whatever reason, Buzz couldn't or didn't want to and he bolted for VA Tech. And Marquette didn't stop him, especially after a 17-15 season.
I don't think there are many tears at the AL tonight. This had to have been simmering for a while.
What was the line he was asked to toe?
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 21, 2014, 11:01:56 PM
What was the line he was asked to toe?
Certainly not the coaches box lines.
Although I am appreciative of the years he has coached here, I have always kind of wondered about Buzz and his intentions. His first year, when I was a freshman, he held a meeting for students interested in being a manager of the team. I will say that his demeanor at the meeting surprised me to say the least. He was basically trying to discourage everyone from the position, asked us personal information in front of the entire group, etc. seemingly to make the point that we were not cut out to be managers. While I understand that some of this may have been necessary to weed people out, why even organize a meeting of this sort just to shoot us down? It did not leave a very positive impression, and some of his talks about character, etc. rang a tad hollow after that experience. I'm just not a fan of preach to the choir type of people that show character flaws themselves (as most people in this world do).
It happened before 5pm on a Friday.
Quote from: bradley center bat on March 21, 2014, 11:13:49 PM
It happened before 5pm on a Friday.
I remember Pilarz was shown the door on an early Friday evening.
Anyone recall the day/appx time that LW was shown the door?
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 21, 2014, 11:15:05 PM
I remember Pilarz was shown the door on an early Friday evening.
Anyone recall the day/appx time that LW was shown the door?
Email says: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:42:17 -0600
Keith
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 21, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
Terminations, voluntary or involuntary, either involve performance, or misalignment of values.
When you look at Buzz's body of work, it's hard to say it was performance.
Having someone whose values are poor make that individual toxic to a values based organization.
Buzz "seems" to have good values. That's why this is such a head scratcher.
Sometimes you just get tired of the BS. The constant need to stroke. As managers, I'm sure we've all had folks we really like, are good employees, but are high maintenance as hell. You do what you can to keep them when it pops up every 6 months or a year, but at some point you have to say time for you to go somewhere else. Hate to see you leave, but the energy it takes to coddle you is just too much. Throw in a few other things and it makes it easier.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 11:45:43 PM
Sometimes you just get tired of the BS. The constant need to stroke. As managers, I'm sure we've all had folks we really like, are good employees, but are high maintenance as hell. You do what you can to keep them when it pops up every 6 months or a year, but at some point you have to say time for you to go somewhere else. Hate to see you leave, but the energy it takes to coddle you is just too much. Throw in a few other things and it makes it easier.
Hunt actually had a couple of decent comments.
"Buzz Williams once told me he turned down the Southern Methodist job a few years ago because nobody cared about SMU basketball. He said he didn't take Southern California's calls for basically the same reason.
In fact, I've been told that's why he didn't go to Oklahoma in 2012. The Sooners took one look at how lavishly Williams was living at Marquette in terms of recruiting and travel and decided he was too rich for even their oil-infused blood."
Yet, Deonte Burton said Williams told the Golden Eagles he had not planned on leaving until the Virginia Tech opportunity came up.
So, since both comments came from Buzz - who was lying? Buzz or Buzz? Apparently he was surprised even though he has been actively seeking other jobs.
But I seriously wonder if Buzz' spending was the straw that broke the camel's back. We spent more money on basketball that Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, Arizona, etc. and never got near the bang for the buck that those schools got.
I certainly ignored it at the time, because I didn't care, but...doesn't this warrant giving the University of New Orleans situation a second look? Didn't something shady go down when Buzz left that school after only 1 season? I recall he said he didn't feel the program was a priority to the school but don't remember a lot of specifics. What I do remember that UNO was quite unhappy with Buzz and felt like he screwed them.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 21, 2014, 08:18:12 PM
Melissa--you are liked by some. Just not some of the huge Buzz slurpers, many whom are not saying much rifgr now.
Don't worry Willie. I'm still here! :)
Not a Buzz slurper. I'm a Marquette slurper.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 21, 2014, 11:15:05 PM
I remember Pilarz was shown the door on an early Friday evening.
Anyone recall the day/appx time that LW was shown the door?
Who the heck is in charge who is showing all these folks the door? Maybe this guy should be shown the door.
You've now got an interim President, an interim Provost, and an interim Athletic Director. Why not just hire an interim basketball coach.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on March 22, 2014, 12:26:52 AM
I certainly ignored it at the time, because I didn't care, but...doesn't this warrant giving the University of New Orleans situation a second look? Didn't something shady go down when Buzz left that school after only 1 season? I recall he said he didn't feel the program was a priority to the school but don't remember a lot of specifics. What I do remember that UNO was quite unhappy with Buzz and felt like he screwed them.
What does this have to do with anything. The University as a whole is trying to saving money so they do not have to increase tuition every year. Buzz made the most so he is gone...they will do a cheap hire. That simple.
Quote from: statnik on March 21, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Although I am appreciative of the years he has coached here, I have always kind of wondered about Buzz and his intentions. His first year, when I was a freshman, he held a meeting for students interested in being a manager of the team. I will say that his demeanor at the meeting surprised me to say the least. He was basically trying to discourage everyone from the position, asked us personal information in front of the entire group, etc. seemingly to make the point that we were not cut out to be managers. While I understand that some of this may have been necessary to weed people out, why even organize a meeting of this sort just to shoot us down? It did not leave a very positive impression, and some of his talks about character, etc. rang a tad hollow after that experience. I'm just not a fan of preach to the choir type of people that show character flaws themselves (as most people in this world do).
What? You are kidding right? HE SHOULD HAVE HAD A MEETING and grilled you! Do you know how important that position is?
LOL...stop. Just stop trying to find something. It's was his program. Of course he is going to get information from you and have a weeding out process.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on March 21, 2014, 09:29:55 PM
If we have to wait for Hunt we'll never hear the real story.
WHAT????
He told us the "real story" and you did no want to believe it. Go back to some of the posts in here and read them again.
MICHAEL HUNT actually broke it first and you all vilified him for it. In fact, Michael Hunt called it and might need an apology from most of you that ridiculed him the last week or so...about Buzz Williams's status.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 11:45:43 PM
Sometimes you just get tired of the BS. The constant need to stroke. As managers, I'm sure we've all had folks we really like, are good employees, but are high maintenance as hell. You do what you can to keep them when it pops up every 6 months or a year, but at some point you have to say time for you to go somewhere else. Hate to see you leave, but the energy it takes to coddle you is just too much. Throw in a few other things and it makes it easier.
This.
Throw in a 17-15 season and some eccentric behavior and it's time to see the head hunter.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 21, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
Not everybody who defended Buzz is gone. I supported him as much as anybody until about four hours ago. Now I recognize him for what he was. I was wrong.
Same, but a few more hours ago. I had some sh#! going on.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 22, 2014, 03:09:05 AM
Don't worry Willie. I'm still here! :)
Not a Buzz slurper. I'm a Marquette slurper.
Of course you are not a Buzz slurper now, just a few weeks ago it was different. But an MU slurper is OK by me, and most on this board. Hopefully the right decision will be made.
Mods, can you give "slurper" the "aina" treatment? Please for the love of all that is holy stop the insanity!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 11:45:43 PM
Sometimes you just get tired of the BS. The constant need to stroke. As managers, I'm sure we've all had folks we really like, are good employees, but are high maintenance as hell. You do what you can to keep them when it pops up every 6 months or a year, but at some point you have to say time for you to go somewhere else. Hate to see you leave, but the energy it takes to coddle you is just too much. Throw in a few other things and it makes it easier.
+1
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on March 22, 2014, 03:48:24 AM
What does this have to do with anything. The University as a whole is trying to saving money so they do not have to increase tuition every year. Buzz made the most so he is gone...they will do a cheap hire. That simple.
Completely disagree. Marquette has way to much invested in basketball to do a "cheap hire". Basketball is the flagship of national recognition for Marquette.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on March 22, 2014, 03:48:24 AM
What does this have to do with anything. The University as a whole is trying to saving money so they do not have to increase tuition every year. Buzz made the most so he is gone...they will do a cheap hire. That simple.
What?
Athletics is self supporting. Not a dime of tuition supports athletics.