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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: NersEllenson on March 16, 2014, 08:23:19 PM
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Wow...just wow....
VCU
St. Joes (conference champ so okay)
St. Louis (hard to aruge)
UMASS
George Washington
Dayton???
And Providence gets an 11 seed. Clearly the committee didn't think a whole lot about Big East...sad day....and I won't even mention us missing the NIT. WOW.
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X is in
It looks like maybe X and NC State were the final two at large teams.
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Ummmm ... Xavier made it.
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SEC got 3 bids, the AAC is screaming that Louisville is a 4 seed and SMU was hosed.
What's your point?
Is X going back to the A10 and make less money? We make more money and anyone of them would jump the the NBE in a heartbeat. Who should we poach?
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Doesn't seem all that bad to get four bids in a year when the preseason 1 and 2 crapped the bed. Maybe see how it goes in another year or two and bring in some more meat if necessary.
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Wow...just wow....
VCU
St. Joes (conference champ so okay)
St. Louis (hard to aruge)
UMASS
George Washington
Dayton???
And Providence gets an 11 seed. Clearly the committee didn't think a whole lot about Big East...sad day....and I won't even mention us missing the NIT. WOW.
Don't be silly. Dayton deserves to be in.
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Wow...just wow....
VCU
St. Joes (conference champ so okay)
St. Louis (hard to aruge)
UMASS
George Washington
Dayton???
And Providence gets an 11 seed. Clearly the committee didn't think a whole lot about Big East...sad day....and I won't even mention us missing the NIT. WOW.
No surprises. The committee was fair
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Don't be silly. Dayton deserves to be in.
Dayton deserves to be in? Really? Ken Pomroy has them 53. GTown is 54 in Ken Pom. Dayton's best win? Gonzaga on Neutral floor in late November. Next best win #34 St. Louis
Losses:
139 Illinois State
159 USC
106 Rhode Island
Sorry....not impressed..given how weak the middle and bottom of A-10 are...and particularly when you think GTown beat the Runner Up VCU and Marquette beat 3rd place finisher George Washington by 16. Pretty bad when the 7th place team in our league beats runner up...in A-10...and you give a Berth to Dayton over St. John's...
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Dayton did not belong.
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Dayton did not belong.
Yes. Dayton should be in the NIT.
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Weak league!!
2 good teams
5 mediocre teams
3 bad teams
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We have a good conference, but it was not elite this year. The teams that we lost are going to force us to rely more heavily on OOC scheduling, because without the likes of Syracuse, Louisville, and occasionally Pitt and Cincy, we simply cannot put the same stock into Big East teams beating up on one another. It will take some big runs by those that make the Dance (especially the teams that aren't considered elite) to change that perception. However, I don't know that it's perception at this point.
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Think Marquette and NBE have considerably work to do to gain respect. We have known that for some time but seeing the reality is hard to swallow. Also not sure if any of the four that made the dance will have a good run. Having said that NBE could get big press if Providence stays on fire. Everyone loves an underdog.
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When Marquette and Georgetown failed to show up this year, it did not help the league from a perception standpoint or power ratings.
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Who will be surprised if Nova loses to UW-milwaukee in their opening game? I hope it doesn't happen, Nova has way too much talent, but nothing would surprise me.
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Wow...just wow....
VCU
St. Joes (conference champ so okay)
St. Louis (hard to aruge)
UMASS
George Washington
Dayton???
One of these things is not like the others....
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One of these things is not like the others....
Look at the RPI and it will answer everything for you guys....why you continue to ignore it is beyond me.
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Look at the RPI and it will answer everything for you guys....why you continue to ignore it is beyond me.
What is Dayton's RPI? I hate the RPI...The A-10 has 4 teams with Ken Pom ratings of 100+ and 1 team with a 200+ ranking (Fordham). Big East has 1 team sub 100 - DePaul at 175. Dayton to their benefit only scheduled 2 games against 300+ Ken Pom teams...
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What is Dayton's RPI? I hate the RPI...The A-10 has 4 teams with Ken Pom ratings of 100+ and 1 team with a 200+ ranking (Fordham). Big East has 1 team sub 100 - DePaul at 175. Dayton to their benefit only scheduled 2 games against 300+ Ken Pom teams...
Hate it all you want, if this year doesn't put the final nail in the coffin on its reliance I don't know what to tell you. See here
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=42640.0
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Sorry if this has already been posted, but the selection committee chair implied on ESPN that Providence was on the outside looking in if they hadn't beaten Creighton last night.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2014/story/_/id/10620737/2014-ncaa-tournament-selection-committee-chair-discusses-process
Just one game makes our conference look a lot better. 3 teams and only 1 non-newcomer is a storyline that I don't think 4 total and 2 classic teams is.
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Sorry if this has already been posted, but the selection committee chair implied on ESPN that Providence was on the outside looking in if they hadn't beaten Creighton last night.
And if we beat X, we may have only had 2 teams in.
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Dayton deserves to be in? Really? Ken Pomroy has them 53. GTown is 54 in Ken Pom. Dayton's best win? Gonzaga on Neutral floor in late November. Next best win #34 St. Louis
Losses:
139 Illinois State
159 USC
106 Rhode Island
Sorry....not impressed..given how weak the middle and bottom of A-10 are...and particularly when you think GTown beat the Runner Up VCU and Marquette beat 3rd place finisher George Washington by 16. Pretty bad when the 7th place team in our league beats runner up...in A-10...and you give a Berth to Dayton over St. John's...
Dayton had 4 top 30 RPI wins and 6 more in the top 100. They had an RPI in the 40s and a SOS in the mid 50s.
Don't let your hate cloud your vision. They should have made it this year.
St. John's had 2 top 50 wins, 4 more top 100 wins. They had a SOS right at 50, fewer wins, more losses and an RPI in the mid 60s.
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Dayton had 4 top 30 RPI wins and 6 more in the top 100. They had an RPI in the 40s and a SOS in the mid 50s.
Don't let your hate cloud your vision. They should have made it this year.
St. John's had 2 top 50 wins, 4 more top 100 wins. They had a SOS right at 50, fewer wins, more losses and an RPI in the mid 60s.
It all comes down to what system is used.....it is clear as day what system the committee uses and has been for decades.
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Who will be surprised if Nova loses to UW-milwaukee in their opening game? I hope it doesn't happen, Nova has way too much talent, but nothing would surprise me.
Can it happen? Sure, anything's possible. But it's a long shot. Who will be surprised? I will, Rob Jeter will, his players will and anyone who knows anything about basketball and the laws of probability will. As a matter of fact, you might be the only one who isn't.
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Dayton had 4 top 30 RPI wins and 6 more in the top 100. They had an RPI in the 40s and a SOS in the mid 50s.
Don't let your hate cloud your vision. They should have made it this year.
St. John's had 2 top 50 wins, 4 more top 100 wins. They had a SOS right at 50, fewer wins, more losses and an RPI in the mid 60s.
I don't hate Dayton...just think their resume is pretty weak. Think A-10 is WAY overrated...what is their best out of conference win as a league? Top 100. So Dayton had 10 wins against Top 100 and MU had 8...not a huge disparity.
Care to address the reality that there are 5 Sub 100 teams in the A-10, while Big East has 1? And Dayton piled up 6 wins against those Sub 100 A-10 teams...and not to mention the 3 losses to Sub 100 teams...MU had ZERO losses against Sub 100 teams per Ken Pom...
This isn't even a debate about MU having any business in the NCAA..they don't..of course...just shocked to see DAyton in the field...especially with SMU sitting out...no comparison between those two teams resumes...
Who are Dayton's 4 Top 30 wins? St. Louis and Gonzaga I imagine? Pretty sure you will see SLU get bounced in Round of 32...
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Weak league!!
2 good teams
5 mediocre teams that all could have won the A10
3 bad teams
FIFY
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Can it happen? Sure, anything's possible. But it's a long shot. Who will be surprised? I will, Rob Jeter will, his players will and anyone who knows anything about basketball and the laws of probability will. As a matter of fact, you might be the only one who isn't.
Well, I called FGCU over G'Town last year, so maybe the laws aren't understood by all. ;D
I need to study it for the next few days, I'm not picking anything yet.
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Care to address the reality that there are 5 Sub 100 teams in the A-10, while Big East has 1? And Dayton piled up 6 wins against those Sub 100 A-10 teams...and not to mention the 3 losses to Sub 100 teams...MU had ZERO losses against Sub 100 teams per Ken Pom...
Nope. I don't at all. I'm not saying it is a power conference. There is a lot of crap at the bottom for sure. I'm saying Dayton played well enough to be one of the last teams in. There are solid teams in the A 10 as well. Dayton beat most of them at one point. They don't have a great resume, but an 11 seed? Sure.
Its fun to say MU didn't lose to a team worse than 100 in Kenpom. But that seems to mean absolutely nothing. We lost to a few teams with RPI above 100. That seems to matter.
MU had 5 top 100 RPI wins. Dayton had 10. That is a pretty significant disparity. MU also had 14 losses to that same group, Dayton had 7. So they were 10-7 vs RPI top 100 and MU was 5-14.
SMU had 19 of their 23 wins against teams with an RPI above 100, and 3 losses worse than Dayton's 3 bad losses (including a loss to RPI 227 -- Georgetowns loss to N'eastern is 221). SMU also ended their season with a loss to a team with and RPI in the 140s. They had less good wins and just as many bad losses. They had a SOS of 137. Its nice they were ranked, but every one knows that doesn't mean anything. Here is the proof.
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As a current Dayton flyer senior who goes to every Marquette game when in town I think Dayton deserves to be in. I have been a huge Marquette fan all my life and will always be. In the beginning of the year I laughed at my flyer friends who said Dayton was better than Marquette. As I watched all season both teams play (obviously if they played at the same time I would watch Marquette over Dayton) I do think Dayton is better than Marquette. They are very athletic and can really shoot the three. I always think Marquette can beat anyone on any day, due to the coaching and how tough we are, I think Dayton would beat us this year as sad as that makes me. They have a great fan base and I do think they would be a nice member in our conference
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Well, I called FGCU over G'Town last year, so maybe the laws aren't understood by all. ;D
I need to study it for the next few days, I'm not picking anything yet.
My upset calls, 2 of the 3, VCU, Wisconsin and Iowa State do not make it out of the first round.
Stephen F. Austin is used to winning and VCU is over-rated.
American excels at efficiency on offense and sharing the ball, they will penetrate and dish and take advantage of UW's weakness. UW comes out shooting cold and leaves in a hurry.
Iowa State draws a NCCU team that causes turnovers at will, Hoiberg's club will turn it over too much and leave early.
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Nope. I don't at all. I'm not saying it is a power conference. There is a lot of crap at the bottom for sure. I'm saying Dayton played well enough to be one of the last teams in. There are solid teams in the A 10 as well. Dayton beat most of them at one point. They don't have a great resume, but an 11 seed? Sure.
Its fun to say MU didn't lose to a team worse than 100 in Kenpom. But that seems to mean absolutely nothing. We lost to a few teams with RPI above 100. That seems to matter.
MU had 5 top 100 RPI wins. Dayton had 10. That is a pretty significant disparity. MU also had 14 losses to that same group, Dayton had 7. So they were 10-7 vs RPI top 100 and MU was 5-14.
SMU had 19 of their 23 wins against teams with an RPI above 100, and 3 losses worse than Dayton's 3 bad losses (including a loss to RPI 227 -- Georgetowns loss to N'eastern is 221). SMU also ended their season with a loss to a team with and RPI in the 140s. They had less good wins and just as many bad losses. They had a SOS of 137. Its nice they were ranked, but every one knows that doesn't mean anything. Here is the proof.
MU had 8 wins over RPI Top 100....3 of the 8 were against Top 50. Anyway...I don't really care that Dayton got in...the bigger issue is the A-10 is wildly overrated and I think you will see that bear itself out once the tourney kicks off.
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My upset calls, 2 of the 3, VCU, Wisconsin and Iowa State do not make it out of the first round.
Stephen F. Austin is used to winning and VCU is over-rated.
American excels at efficiency on offense and sharing the ball, they will penetrate and dish and take advantage of UW's weakness. UW comes out shooting cold and leaves in a hurry.
Iowa State draws a NCCU team that causes turnovers at will, Hoiberg's club will turn it over too much and leave early.
Those are ballsy. I see Wisconsin going to the Sweet 16 without much trouble. Iowa State doing well, also. VCU, I might be with you on that one.
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Those are ballsy. I see Wisconsin going to the Sweet 16 without much trouble. Iowa State doing well, also. VCU, I might be with you on that one.
I agree the first two are ballsy, I will note I have one of the worst track records in picking NCAA games in the history of mankind. I always pick too many upsets and ones that come pack to bite me.
I do think if either of those teams lose early, it'll be the first round. If they don't lose there, they are both easily sweet 16 teams or better. One of those possible let down situations, but once they get settled are dangerous.
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My ultimate ballsy picks
Virginia being the first 1 seed in history to lose to a 16
ASU going to the Elite 8
Dayton going to the S16
New Mexico going to the Elite 8
Umass to S16
Terrible picks? Time will tell
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Its fun to say MU didn't lose to a team worse than 100 in Kenpom. But that seems to mean absolutely nothing. We lost to a few one teams team with RPI above 100. That seems to matter.
Not that it really matters, but I FIFY
@Butler (RPI 146) was our one SUB 100 RPI loss. Our two worst losses after that were the two to Saint John's (RPI 65).
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MU had 8 wins over RPI Top 100....3 of the 8 were against Top 50. Anyway...I don't really care that Dayton got in...the bigger issue is the A-10 is wildly overrated and I think you will see that bear itself out once the tourney kicks off.
Not sure what RPI you are using. Looking at ESPNs, we have wins over GW, Providence and Xavier in the top 50. We have 2 wins over Georgetown from 50-100. The next closest is Seton Hall at 125. That's 5.
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Not sure what RPI you are using. Looking at ESPNs, we have wins over GW, Providence and Xavier in the top 50. We have 2 wins over Georgetown from 50-100. The next closest is Seton Hall at 125. That's 5.
My bad...I looked at Pomroy in coming up with the 8. Obviously the NCAA committee uses RPI as a huge driver of who gets in...that is never more clear than this season's selections. I've just always found Pomory far more accurate with regard to gauging team's quality/strength...as compared to RPI.
Who knows....anything is possible...A-10 may show well in tourney...but I'd be surprised. Think VCU presents a lot of challenges for many teams with their full court ball pressure...St. Louis? Eh...didn't really have a whole lot of quality wins outside of conference...
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We get it CBB, they weight RPI heavily, youre right, happy? Now that being said they shouldnt use it so heavily. Its flawed at best. Just an example the MU womens volleyball team were #3 in the RPI at one point but as good as they were, they were no where near the top 30 teams in the nation. Dayton does not deserve to be in the tourney. Im kind of surprised UDpride hasnt made a return to the board.
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Think Marquette and NBE have considerably work to do to gain respect. We have known that for some time but seeing the reality is hard to swallow. Also not sure if any of the four that made the dance will have a good run. Having said that NBE could get big press if Providence stays on fire. Everyone loves an underdog.
Agreed. There is plenty of marketing that needs to be done with the BEast. If Creighton and Vanillanova can have a deep run, that will help. But, obviously, the Committee and media have given the league a deep discount, which is too bad. landing some big time recruits will also help.
Have any of the current BEast teams landed a top 20 or Burger Boy for next year? Don't really know. The league needs to get a couple. It would also help if there were some high profile coaches in the league, but that takes time. Right now, that claim would probably only go to Wright, and maybe Thompson III, who many would argue are not high profile. Hopefully the Fox1 contract will build some steam also.
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Agreed. There is plenty of marketing that needs to be done with the BEast. If Creighton and Vanillanova can have a deep run, that will help. But, obviously, the Committee and media have given the league a deep discount, which is too bad. landing some big time recruits will also help.
Have any of the current BEast teams landed a top 20 or Burger Boy for next year? Don't really know. The league needs to get a couple. It would also help if there were some high profile coaches in the league, but that takes time. Right now, that claim would probably only go to Wright, and maybe Thompson III, who many would argue are not high profile. Hopefully the Fox1 contract will build some steam also.
Seton Hall has with Whitehead. By the looks of it most of the BE teams like X, MU, Nova and GTown are looking to make big splashes with the 2015 class.
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Agreed. There is plenty of marketing that needs to be done with the BEast. If Creighton and Vanillanova can have a deep run, that will help. But, obviously, the Committee and media have given the league a deep discount, which is too bad. landing some big time recruits will also help.
Have any of the current BEast teams landed a top 20 or Burger Boy for next year? Don't really know. The league needs to get a couple. It would also help if there were some high profile coaches in the league, but that takes time. Right now, that claim would probably only go to Wright, and maybe Thompson III, who many would argue are not high profile. Hopefully the Fox1 contract will build some steam also.
You can find out here!
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41881.25
So far only one burger boy in the BEast, Seton Hall's Issiah Whitehead. However, BEast is tied for 2nd most top 100 recruits with 14. They trail the ACC (20) and are tied with Kentucky...I mean...the SEC (14).
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As a current Dayton flyer senior who goes to every Marquette game when in town I think Dayton deserves to be in. I have been a huge Marquette fan all my life and will always be. In the beginning of the year I laughed at my flyer friends who said Dayton was better than Marquette. As I watched all season both teams play (obviously if they played at the same time I would watch Marquette over Dayton) I do think Dayton is better than Marquette. They are very athletic and can really shoot the three. I always think Marquette can beat anyone on any day, due to the coaching and how tough we are, I think Dayton would beat us this year as sad as that makes me. They have a great fan base and I do think they would be a nice member in our conference
Drink bleach.
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You can find out here!
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41881.25
So far only one burger boy in the BEast, Seton Hall's Issiah Whitehead. However, BEast is tied for 2nd most top 100 recruits with 14. They trail the ACC (20) and are tied with Kentucky...I mean...the SEC (14).
Good one eagle: Ky.: 13; Rest of SEC: 1 (A tad bit of exaggeration there)
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Dayton doing well in the crapshoot, just like VCU did a few years ago.