Can MU do it too?
No, but we have a great group of kids that work really hard.
Yeah lots of teaching moments, character revealed, switchables, paint touches, blah blah blah
I have totally lost track of how many of my coworkers went to UWM. At least for the first time in a decade, I should be able to put a number on that.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 11, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
No, but we have a great group of kids that work really hard...
...in practice
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 11, 2014, 08:14:44 PM
Yeah lots of teaching moments, character revealed, switchables, paint touches, blah blah blah
Let loose, sister. You been drinkin' again!
Guard's game....I'd take a little spunky guard like UW-m has in a heart beat.
Anybody wanna guess on their seed?
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 11, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
No, but we have a great group of kids that work really hard.
In the end doesn't that matter much more than winning a basketball game?
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 11, 2014, 08:14:50 PM
I have totally lost track of how many of my coworkers went to UWM. At least for the first time in a decade, I should be able to put a number on that.
That sucks. I love Milwaukee, but tomorrow would be a day I have no desire to live there and go to work.
Quote from: melissasmooth on March 11, 2014, 08:14:44 PM
Yeah lots of teaching moments, character revealed, switchables, paint touches, blah blah blah
Great human beings. Probably not handling it the right way though. Root for guys the defense doesn't have to guard.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 11, 2014, 08:23:14 PM
I love Milwaukee
I do love a good fish fry. And custard. Yes, custard.
It is always difficult watching "Tournament Week," where there are point guards and small forwards that can make three pointers. And then I ponder life's cruelty. . .
Quote from: mujivitz06 on March 11, 2014, 08:22:53 PM
In the end doesn't that matter much more than winning a basketball game?
You're funny.
Tell the people funding a multi-million dollar basketball program that winning doesn't matter.
Were people on this Board lamenting Marquette's failure to recruit Kyle Kelm? Or did I imagine it?
Quote from: warriorfred on March 11, 2014, 08:28:28 PM
It is always difficult watching "Tournament Week," where there are point guards and small forwards that can make three pointers. And then I ponder life's cruelty. . .
What is a "Three Pointer?"
Quote from: keefe on March 11, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
What is a "Three Pointer?"
Apparently it is something other teams dare you to shoot when they sag-off your starting point guard by 8 - 10 feet.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 11, 2014, 08:17:33 PM
Guard's game....I'd take a little spunky guard like UW-m has in a heart beat.
I was thinking of Derrick Wilson that entire game.
And so much more of him to come next season.
Ugh.
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 11, 2014, 08:35:20 PM
I was thinking of Derrick Wilson that entire game.
And so much more of him to come next season.
Ugh.
Game changer. Game changer.
If you cannot be happy for UWM, I don't know what to say. It's their 5th NCAA Tourney. We own the 6th longest current NCAA in the country. I work with some UWM fans / alums and I'm happy for them. We are far and away the superior program but until Saturday at 11pm, they're danncing and we're not (yet).
Be happy for your neighbor. Makes the block party that much more enjoyable.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 11, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
Anybody wanna guess on their seed?
Wright State was pegged as a 16, so I say 16
One of the few benefits of playing in a crappity league - much easier to win the conference tourney. Guess some one has to fill the 15 seed line.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 11, 2014, 08:29:53 PM
You're funny.
Tell the people funding a multi-million dollar basketball program that winning doesn't matter.
We've won plenty lately. If you would rather trade our success and program for another than that's your prerogative. I would rather have a coach stick to what he believes in and not change everything he has ever done at the first moment of non - optimum result.
Quote from: The Lens on March 11, 2014, 08:37:40 PM
If you cannot be happy for UWM, I don't know what to say. It's their 5th NCAA Tourney. We own the 6th longest current NCAA in the country. I work with some UWM fans / alums and I'm happy for them. We are far and away the superior program but until Saturday at 11pm, they're danncing and we're not (yet).
Be happy for your neighbor. Makes the block party that much more enjoyable.
I'm thrilled for UWM.
But it does sting a bit thinking of how bad MU is likely to be next year, too.
Congrats to the Panthers. Will certainly be rooting for them to pull the upset. Some ice cubes thawing nicely on Jeter's seat. Though it seems like whenever they do well we stink for the most part, so I hope this is a fluke year for them, since that would then apply to us.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 11, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
Anybody wanna guess on their seed?
15. Not a favorite, but I've got to think the upset winner of the Horizon is still better than the upset winner or favorite in six low-majors that will get auto-bids.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 11, 2014, 08:33:00 PM
Were people on this Board lamenting Marquette's failure to recruit Kyle Kelm? Or did I imagine it?
Looks like the archives mostly felt he wasn't a Big East player. It's a good example why development on the roster is so important - develop a couple of players that don't fit the "high major" mold throughout their career, and the UWMs can make the tournament. Have players stall or regress and the MUs don't make the tournament.
Quote from: The Lens on March 11, 2014, 08:37:40 PM
If you cannot be happy for UWM, I don't know what to say. It's their 5th NCAA Tourney. We own the 6th longest current NCAA in the country. I work with some UWM fans / alums and I'm happy for them. We are far and away the superior program but until Saturday at 11pm, they're danncing and we're not (yet).
Be happy for your neighbor. Makes the block party that much more enjoyable.
I very much agree with you. I suppose my only issue with it is they love to trash us and revel in any non-success we have. If my neighbor loved throwing eggs at my house every day and laugh when I got hit by them it would be hard to be happy for them. I would like to resolve this issue and be happy for UWM however. Please help?
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 11, 2014, 08:42:41 PM
I'm thrilled for UWM.
But it does sting a bit thinking of how bad MU is likely to be next year, too.
The sad thing is we don't have to be bad next season, but stubbornness will likely lead to the same type of season.
Check out Milwaukee logo in the bracket, they used the Milwaukee Admirals logo
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1988290-ncaa-brackets-2014-real-time-seed-and-region-projections-for-all-68-teams
Quote from: mujivitz06 on March 11, 2014, 08:41:50 PM
We've won plenty lately. If you would rather trade our success and program for another than that's your prerogative. I would rather have a coach stick to what he believes in and not change everything he has ever done at the first moment of optimum result.
That's not what you said, though. You said that having kids that work hard is more important than winning games. I disagree with that. I don't want to be Huggy's Cincy teams, mind you. But, at the end of the day wins and losses measure a program.
And who was asking Buzz to "change everything he has ever done?" I just tire of the same lines whenever there's a hint of adversity/criticism. It's like he's appalled that people are questioning his decisions, or the player's performance. That's life. And the level of scrutiny at MU pales in comparison to other places.
I am thrilled for UWM, as a good percentage of my family are graduates. I have already made 3 phone calls to congratulate them on their success.
All that being said, I am a bit mystified that Marquette spends 50 times as much on its basketball program, and UWM may have a better team.
Quote from: The Lens on March 11, 2014, 08:37:40 PM
If you cannot be happy for UWM, I don't know what to say. It's their 5th NCAA Tourney. We own the 6th longest current NCAA in the country. I work with some UWM fans / alums and I'm happy for them. We are far and away the superior program but until Saturday at 11pm, they're danncing and we're not (yet).
Be happy for your neighbor. Makes the block party that much more enjoyable.
I agree, except for BBFran
Quote from: warriorfred on March 11, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
I am thrilled for UWM, as a good percentage of my family are graduates. I have already made 3 phone calls to congratulate them on their success.
All that being said, I am a bit mystified that Marquette spends 50 times as much on its basketball program, and UWM may have a better team.
Don't overdo it. UWM got 5th in the Horizon league. Unless you think Marquette would have gone 7-9 in the Horizon.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 11, 2014, 08:49:50 PM
That's not what you said, though. You said that having kids that work hard is more important than winning games. I disagree with that. I don't want to be Huggy's Cincy teams, mind you. But, at the end of the day wins and losses measure a program.
And who was asking Buzz to "change everything he has ever done?" I just tire of the same lines whenever there's a hint of adversity/criticism. It's like he's appalled that people are questioning his decisions, or the player's performance. That's life. And the level of scrutiny at MU pales in comparison to other places.
I think in the end, with a full life perspective it is. Of course I want to win games, and we have been able to do that at very high success rate. Wins and losses measure a program and we've done very well. If we hadn't - it's still just a game.
Most on this board are ridiculing his words/style/etc. 90 % complain about his coaching decisions style. What was good enough for the last 5 years apparently isn't now. Very sad to see. You would expect more to see the forest through the trees.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on March 11, 2014, 08:55:36 PM
Don't overdo it. UWM got 5th in the Horizon league. Unless you think Marquette would have gone 7-9 in the Horizon.
There is almost no measure that makes their team better this year.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on March 11, 2014, 08:55:36 PM
Don't overdo it. UWM got 5th in the Horizon league. Unless you think Marquette would have gone 7-9 in the Horizon.
The operative word here is "may." But, in all honesty I consider both teams roughly equal, and UWM is actually in the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: mujivitz06 on March 11, 2014, 08:57:44 PM
There is almost no measure that makes their team better this year.
I would say that they have the best measure, they are going to the tournament and we are not.
And it appears UW-Milwaukee's coach made some adjustments over the course of the season.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 11, 2014, 09:07:55 PM
I would say that they have the best measure, they are going to the tournament and we are not.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 11, 2014, 09:07:55 PM
I would say that they have the best measure, they are going to the tournament and we are not.
Based on them making a crapshoot run in a very weak field? It's just silly to me. I suppose if you really believe that fine. Does that mean Alabama St., Coastal Carolina, Wofford all have better teams than us too?
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on March 11, 2014, 08:55:36 PM
Don't overdo it. UWM got 5th in the Horizon league. Unless you think Marquette would have gone 7-9 in the Horizon.
The margin isn't as big as you think. Keep in mind this is a MU team that beat Southern by 7 and New Hampshire by 5. UWM would give them a game as well.
Quote from: keefe on March 11, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
What is a "Three Pointer?"
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Pre-puberlescent male deer.
Quote from: mujivitz06 on March 11, 2014, 09:14:58 PM
Based on them making a crapshoot run in a very weak field? It's just silly to me. I suppose if you really believe that fine. Does that mean Alabama St., Coastal Carolina, Wofford all have better teams than us too?
I really don't care what they did, they made the tournament. Being a team in a conference like the Horizon you know you aren't getting in unless you win the tournament. Hats off to them, they did what they had to. I would consider their season to be more successful than ours and I'm sure they would give Marquette a heck of a game this year as we are not very good.
Quote from: mujivitz06 on March 11, 2014, 08:44:18 PM
I very much agree with you. I suppose my only issue with it is they love to trash us and revel in any non-success we have. If my neighbor loved throwing eggs at my house every day and laugh when I got hit by them it would be hard to be happy for them. I would like to resolve this issue and be happy for UWM however. Please help?
Ding ding ding
I don't block party with them....no love from me. I'd rather see Loyola Maymount, USC, USD, Pepperdine, LBSU, UCIrvine, Fullerton, etc win for my block party.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 11, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
I am thrilled for UWM, as a good percentage of my family are graduates. I have already made 3 phone calls to congratulate them on their success.
All that being said, I am a bit mystified that Marquette spends 50 times as much on its basketball program, and UWM may have a better team.
Better team? No. Better at some positions....yes.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 11, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
I am thrilled for UWM, as a good percentage of my family are graduates. I have already made 3 phone calls to congratulate them on their success.
All that being said, I am a bit mystified that Marquette spends 50 times as much on its basketball program, and UWM may have a better team.
Better team? No. Better at some positions? Yes
Thrilled for them. A great run this week capped off by an outstanding effort in a true road game tonight.
Congrats UWM!
Woe the poor souls on this deteriating board. The past has proven that the stronger all of our state schools are, the better it is for aall of our fanbases as well as the ability to keep talent home.
One day in the near future, this thread will be mentioned when discussing why MUScoop shut down.
Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on March 11, 2014, 09:51:31 PM
Congrats UWM!
Woe the poor souls on this deteriating board. The past has proven that the stronger all of our state schools are, the better it is for aall of our fanbases as well as the ability to keep talent home.
::) Here we go with this again. How is it good for MU if the other state schools make it and we don't? Enlighten us please. How does those 2 (possibly 3) schools making the dance improve our chances of landing Diamond, Ellerson, or Schwartz?
Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on March 11, 2014, 09:51:31 PM
Congrats UWM!
Woe the poor souls on this deteriating board. The past has proven that the stronger all of our state schools are, the better it is for aall of our fanbases as well as the ability to keep talent home.
75 years of evidence to the contrary, but whatever
Quote from: keefe on March 11, 2014, 08:26:51 PM
I do love a good fish fry. And custard. Yes, custard.
And fresh Miller High Life.
Congrats to UWM. Bids are hard to get no matter how you get them.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 11, 2014, 09:22:50 PM
I really don't care what they did, they made the tournament. Being a team in a conference like the Horizon you know you aren't getting in unless you win the tournament. Hats off to them, they did what they had to. I would consider their season to be more successful than ours and I'm sure they would give Marquette a heck of a game this year as we are not very good.
Ok well I disagree with you. When judging which team is better I do care "what they did". They are in a conference like the Horizon because their program isn't better, by the way. They could give us a heck of a game, or even beat us and that wouldn't prove they were better. That's why it would be called an upset.
Quote from: mujivitz06 on March 11, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Ok well I disagree with you. When judging which team is better I do care "what they did". They are in a conference like the Horizon because their program isn't better, by the way. They could give us a heck of a game, or even beat us and that wouldn't prove they were better. That's why it would be called an upset.
That's fine, that's why I like this board because there are so many different opinions and I like hearing differing views. Their program is not better without any doubt. Just because their program isn't better, doesn't mean they couldn't have a better season or team though. If they beat us this year would it really be much of an upset?
I'd take Jordan Aaron any day of the week... and Steve McWhorter for that matter.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 11, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
Ding ding ding
I don't block party with them....no love from me. I'd rather see Loyola Maymount, USC, USD, Pepperdine, LBSU, UCIrvine, Fullerton, etc win for my block party.
What? No Gonzaga?
Quote from: keefe on March 12, 2014, 12:25:22 AM
What? No Gonzaga?
If I lived in Spokane, sure. That was quite a first round scare they had the other day. Nice wins the last two days.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 12, 2014, 12:32:37 AM
If I lived in Spokane, sure. That was quite a first round scare they had the other day. Nice wins the last two days.
Numbers wise the Zags have a bigger following in Seattle but they are still drowned out by Dawgs and Cougs. I like to see the Zags do well.
Quote from: The Lens on March 11, 2014, 08:37:40 PM
If you cannot be happy for UWM, I don't know what to say. It's their 5th NCAA Tourney. We own the 6th longest current NCAA in the country. I work with some UWM fans / alums and I'm happy for them. We are far and away the superior program but until Saturday at 11pm, they're danncing and we're not (yet).
Be happy for your neighbor. Makes the block party that much more enjoyable.
Completely agree. Have no affiliation for the school, and was rooting for them. I do remember watching Dylan Page miss a layup in ncaa's 03 in Indy to try and knock off Notre Dame.
I'd be fine with MU sneakin' in the back door.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 12, 2014, 06:48:21 AM
I'd be fine with MU sneakin' in the back door.
then into the mouth of the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 11, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
Anybody wanna guess on their seed?
I'm guessing it will be better than our's.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 11, 2014, 10:35:08 PM
And fresh Miller High Life.
Congrats to UWM. Bids are hard to get no matter how you get them.
Yes--custard and Miller always go well together.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 12, 2014, 06:48:21 AM
I'd be fine with MU sneakin' in the back door.
MU sneaking in the back door would really donkey punch one of these bubble teams.
Quote from: keefe on March 12, 2014, 12:58:50 AM
Numbers wise the Zags have a bigger following in Seattle but they are still drowned out by Dawgs and Cougs. I like to see the Zags do well.
Was wondering about that Keefe.
I have family in the Liberty Lake/Coeur d'Alene area and they are crazy about the Zags. But I always wondered what people in Seattle thought/cared.
I know there is really nothing else to compete with them in Spokane, which has a metro of over 500,000 people, so there's tons of support there.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 12, 2014, 06:48:21 AM
I'd be fine with MU sneakin' in the back door.
I hope you guys do!
Let's have one giant State of Wisconsin party in the tourney!
Congrats, Panthers. Way to turn your season around.
Agree...congrats to UWM for making the tourney....hopefully we can follow a similar template...long shot that wins conference tourney to secure a berth.
Watching Jordan Aaron last night made me envious...
Quote from: mubuzz on March 11, 2014, 08:45:26 PM
The sad thing is we don't have to be bad next season, but stubbornness will likely lead to the same type of season.
We haven't even ended this season and you have already determined that next year will be bad and that it will have nothing to do with the players and only with some mythical belief that Buzz wants to win with his "way" only and if he doesn't that's fine he'll take losses?
Do you really believe this? If so have you called for Buzz to be fired? If not you should, and if you won't then you don't actually believe this.
Where does this stubborn narrative come from? Just because in one season Buzz made moves you don't agree with so that means it's always going to happen? This is the single most frustrating opinion on the board for me, and I want someone to explain it to me.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 11, 2014, 10:50:21 PM
That's fine, that's why I like this board because there are so many different opinions and I like hearing differing views. Their program is not better without any doubt. Just because their program isn't better, doesn't mean they couldn't have a better season or team though. If they beat us this year would it really be much of an upset?
yes I think so - just in RPI there is a stark different. They were 7-9 in a very weak conference and we were 9-9 in a strong one.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 11:06:51 AM
We haven't even ended this season and you have already determined that next year will be bad and that it will have nothing to do with the players and only with some mythical believe that Buzz wants to win with his "way" only and if he doesn't that's fine he'll take losses?
Do you really believe this? If so have you called for Buzz to be fired? If not you should, and if you won't then you don't actually believe this.
Where does this stubborn narrative come from? Just because in one season Buzz made moves you don't agree with so that means it's always going to happen? This is the single most frustrating opinion on the board for me, and I want someone to explain it to me.
+1
I absolutely will not cheer for UWM or Madison, just not gonna happen. For the fans of those teams, great, I'm happy you are happy but under no circumstances will I cheer for your team. Not to mention if they continue to win they are going to do nothing but rub it in our face and/or dismiss our support as bandwagon stuff. I'd rather earn their disdain than get it anyway while trying to be nice.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if you are a rival and an obnoxious one at that why should I cheer for you or be happy for you? Drives my wife nuts, she gets so mad because I refuse to cheer for her team(Madison) under any circumstances.
I will cheer for other Big East teams because we at least have common interests. Other than that, burn it all
;D
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 11:06:51 AM
Where does this stubborn narrative come from? Just because in one season Buzz made moves you don't agree with so that means it's always going to happen? This is the single most frustrating opinion on the board for me, and I want someone to explain it to me.
My opinion is that Buzz hitched his and the team's wagon to Derrick running the point this year, and at any given time could have shifted course with good reason - based on largely ineffective play at the position throughout the course of the year. He simply refused to let Dawson play through mistakes, generally, whereby - one mistake and he gets sent to the bench - all the while allowing the veteran to play through his mistakes and ineffective play over the course of the season.
What struck me about his love and allegiance for Derrick was during the Xavier game at home - Derrick made about 3 good plays in a row, perhaps 2 steals and converted them for baskets, Xavier calls timeout....and Buzz runs to Derrick and gives him this huge bear hug for about 5 seconds...obviously was happy for Derrick in that moment, and knows Derrick/and him have been criticized a lot this season...and it was almost a moment of "justification," that he was so eager to latch onto. Yet, when Dawson led us to victory in Overtime at G'Town...didn't see Buzz running out to Dawson and giving him the same "love."
What many can't comprehend are why Buzz continued to ride the worst starting QB (if you will) in the league for so long....without ever giving the backup a similar opportunity other than in the 1 game at GTown...in which he played well. YOu simply cannot fully judge a player's ability in games giving him 2-3 minute segments of run....and if he makes one mistake, yank him. That does not inspire confidence for the player, nor does it allow a player the feeling of playing loose and not always looking over his shoulder at every buzzer/substitution...
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 11:06:51 AM
We haven't even ended this season and you have already determined that next year will be bad and that it will have nothing to do with the players and only with some mythical belief that Buzz wants to win with his "way" only and if he doesn't that's fine he'll take losses?
Do you really believe this? If so have you called for Buzz to be fired? If not you should, and if you won't then you don't actually believe this.
Where does this stubborn narrative come from? Just because in one season Buzz made moves you don't agree with so that means it's always going to happen? This is the single most frustrating opinion on the board for me, and I want someone to explain it to me.
The reasoning for me is that Derrick will be a senior next year and Buzz goes out of his way to sing his praises. Under no circumstance do I see him drastically reducing his minutes next year. Also next year we won't have the benefit of having a post presence like Davante. I think we will maintain the status quo at point guard until Derrick is gone and that's why I think we will be in for another disappointing year. It's been proven this year we aren't a good team with him running the point. Not all his fault obviously, but in my opinion plays a large role in the teams struggles. Do you envision Buzz dropping his minutes to 10 a game as a senior next year? I don't and that is where my opinion comes from. I dont want Buzz fired because he has proven to be a decent coach and a great recruiter. I will say his in game coaching has left a lot to be desired and really head scratching at times this year. I no longer think anything he touches turns to gold like I had previously...those expectations I built up for him were unsustainable and in retrospect unrealistic. These are my opinions and I could be totally off base.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 12, 2014, 11:32:19 AM
The reasoning for me is that Derrick will be a senior next year and Buzz goes out of his way to sing his praises. Under no circumstance do I see him drastically reducing his minutes next year. Also next year we won't have the benefit of having a post presence like Davante. I think we will maintain the status quo at point guard until Derrick is gone and that's why I think we will be in for another disappointing year. It's been proven this year we aren't a good team with him running the point. Not all his fault obviously, but in my opinion plays a large role in the teams struggles. Do you envision Buzz dropping his minutes to 10 a game as a senior next year? I don't and that is where my opinion comes from. I dont want Buzz fired because he has proven to be a decent coach and a great recruiter. I will say his in game coaching has left a lot to be desired and really head scratching at times this year. I no longer think anything he touches turns to gold like I had previously...those expectations I built up for him were unsustainable and in retrospect unrealistic. These are my opinions and I could be totally off base.
This the same garbage that MUBuzz tried on me, 03.
He cannot get his head around the idea that Buzz hopes that Derrick will step up and be the game changer that Buzz misguidedly prays he will be/believes he is/wishes he will become. Nobody is accusing Buzz of deliberately trying to lose, but his blind loyalty to Derrick has cost us games. Many on this board cannot get their head around it--they come up with "Buzz believes that Derrick gives us the best chance to win"--in spite of the performance, record and losses piling up. And the excuse "We have nobody else".
Well, next year there will be plenty of options. The train has already left the station on Derrick. It is time to give the engineers seat to somebody else. We shall see what El Buzzo does. IMO he will continue to try to ride Derrick
What else would you expect from MU"Buzz" but to get somebody to subscribe to firing Buzz, so he can then jump on you for advocating that.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 12, 2014, 11:50:49 AM
This the same garbage that MUBuzz tried on me, 03.
He cannot get his head around the idea that Buzz hopes that Derrick will step up and be the game changer that Buzz misguidedly prays he will be/believes he is/wishes he will become. Nobody is accusing Buzz of deliberately trying to lose, but his blind loyalty to Derrick has cost us games. Many on this board cannot get their head around it--they come up with "Buzz believes that Derrick gives us the best chance to win"--in spite of the performance, record and losses piling up. And the excuse "We have nobody else".
Well, next year there will be plenty of options. The train has already left the station on Derrick. It is time to give the engineers seat to somebody else. We shall see what El Buzzo does. IMO he will continue to try to ride Derrick
What else would you expect from MU"Buzz" but to get somebody to subscribe to firing Buzz, so he can then jump on you for advocating that.
Sorry--got my MU tag names mixed up. MU03Eng tried this out previously.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 12, 2014, 11:53:51 AM
Sorry--got my MU tag names mixed up. MU03Eng tried this out previously.
Lol, I was going to ask if you had been drinking this morning ;D
Quote from: Ners on March 12, 2014, 11:30:10 AM
What struck me about his love and allegiance for Derrick was during the Xavier game at home - Derrick made about 3 good plays in a row, perhaps 2 steals and converted them for baskets, Xavier calls timeout....and Buzz runs to Derrick and gives him this huge bear hug for about 5 seconds...obviously was happy for Derrick in that moment, and knows Derrick/and him have been criticized a lot this season...and it was almost a moment of "justification," that he was so eager to latch onto. Yet, when Dawson led us to victory in Overtime at G'Town...didn't see Buzz running out to Dawson and giving him the same "love."
Quote from: willie warrior on March 12, 2014, 11:50:49 AM
This the same garbage that MUBuzz tried on me, 03.
He cannot get his head around the idea that Buzz hopes that Derrick will step up and be the game changer that Buzz misguidedly prays he will be/believes he is/wishes he will become. Nobody is accusing Buzz of deliberately trying to lose, but his blind loyalty to Derrick has cost us games. Many on this board cannot get their head around it--they come up with "Buzz believes that Derrick gives us the best chance to win"--in spite of the performance, record and losses piling up. And the excuse "We have nobody else".
Well, next year there will be plenty of options. The train has already left the station on Derrick. It is time to give the engineers seat to somebody else. We shall see what El Buzzo does. IMO he will continue to try to ride Derrick
What else would you expect from MU"Buzz" but to get somebody to subscribe to firing Buzz, so he can then jump on you for advocating that.
Let's not forget Buzz was set on taking Dawson out of the Georgetown game, but Derrick insisted otherwise. Perhaps he will overrule Buzz again and demand a more fitting role for next year.
I remember one subject this late season -- Wisconsin won't make it to the NCAA Tourney. UWM has made
it the way the NCAA rules were made. Don't agree. But, where is MU--sucking hind T--! . Until lately the team was underachieving. Now it's to late. Probably will be a disappointing next year. Because of Young Team excuse. I hope we do sneak in. But it's unlikely. Hope Buzz learned something this season. Go MU! Liking Wisco
or not, the Badgers earned their way in. Big Ten was the toughest conference from top to bottom.
Quote from: chapman on March 12, 2014, 12:28:17 PM
This the same garbage that MUBuzz tried on me, 03.
He cannot get his head around the idea that Buzz hopes that Derrick will step up and be the game changer that Buzz misguidedly prays he will be/believes he is/wishes he will become. Nobody is accusing Buzz of deliberately trying to lose, but his blind loyalty to Derrick has cost us games. Many on this board cannot get their head around it--they come up with "Buzz believes that Derrick gives us the best chance to win"--in spite of the performance, record and losses piling up. And the excuse "We have nobody else".
Well, next year there will be plenty of options. The train has already left the station on Derrick. It is time to give the engineers seat to somebody else. We shall see what El Buzzo does. IMO he will continue to try to ride Derrick
What else would you expect from MU"Buzz" but to get somebody to subscribe to firing Buzz, so he can then jump on you for advocating that.
I have Warrior on ignore so I only saw what you posted through Chapman. You continue to ignore the whole point. You and MUBuzz and Ners continue to claim the coach has blind loyalty to Derrick. So this means he either can't or won't see the facts that are clear to you...Dawson is better than Derrick. If he is willfully ignoring that Dawson is better, that results in losses, he should be fired. If he is incapable of seeing Dawson is better, that is a major gap and would present itself other places and should be addressed quickly. If he is doing it to "prove a point" or because he is "stubborn" he should be fired.
I'm not trying to get you to say he should be fired....I'm trying to get you guys to realize Buzz HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION than you, and while your opinions are ones worth discussing that are not facts.
In your opinion Dawson is better Derrick. In my opinion he is not. Apparently in Buzz's opinion Dawson is not better. (this year)
Next year, we don't know what Buzz will do.
Quote from: Ners on March 12, 2014, 11:30:10 AM
YOu simply cannot fully judge a player's ability in games giving him 2-3 minute segments of run....and if he makes one mistake, yank him. That does not inspire confidence for the player, nor does it allow a player the feeling of playing loose and not always looking over his shoulder at every buzzer/substitution...
Ners, you state this as fact, I guarantee you this is not fact for some/all players. Again it can be the difference in philosophy but I don't want a player playing max minutes that can't prove in 2-3 minutes he's capable of playing. That's a mental issue not a physical. Get your mental right on the practice court so you don't have to be doing it on the competition court.
Again difference of philosophy, in no way a fact.
1) Buzz loves Derrick
2) Buzz loves Seniors
at PG - we will have Derrick who is a Senior - to expect Buzz to reduce his playing time next year is a complete leap of faith to go against everything that happened this year.
We may not even have the 4th best PG in the state to look forward to watching next year lead the team - who has made exactly one 3 pointer, shoots under 50% at free throws, is not skilled at feeding the post, does not score when he drives to the hoop and has his man sag off of him causing other team members to be less effective - BUT HE PLAYS GREAT DEFENSIVE (chimes in the slurpers)...
again, this is not Derrick's fault... Buzz put him in this position and has extreme faith in him...
so yes, my enthusiasm for next year is already at a low...
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 11:06:51 AM
We haven't even ended this season and you have already determined that next year will be bad and that it will have nothing to do with the players and only with some mythical belief that Buzz wants to win with his "way" only and if he doesn't that's fine he'll take losses?
Do you really believe this? If so have you called for Buzz to be fired? If not you should, and if you won't then you don't actually believe this.
Where does this stubborn narrative come from? Just because in one season Buzz made moves you don't agree with so that means it's always going to happen? This is the single most frustrating opinion on the board for me, and I want someone to explain it to me.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on March 12, 2014, 01:18:01 PM
1) Buzz loves Derrick
2) Buzz loves Seniors
at PG - we will have Derrick who is a Senior - to expect Buzz to reduce his playing time next year is a complete leap of faith to go against everything that happened this year.
We may not even have the 4th best PG in the state to look forward to watching next year lead the team - who has made exactly one 3 pointer, shoots under 50% at free throws, is not skilled at feeding the post, does not score when he drives to the hoop and has his man sag off of him causing other team members to be less effective - BUT HE PLAYS GREAT DEFENSIVE (chimes in the slurpers)...
again, this is not Derrick's fault... Buzz put him in this position and has extreme faith in him...
so yes, my enthusiasm for next year is already at a low...
My enthusiasm would be down next as well if that happens. If Buzz plays Derrick next year(and he doesn't perform better than this year) and there is a better option, I think Buzz should be gone as he's clearly to inflexible to be successful. If Buzz plays Derrick next year and there isn't a better option...than that's on Buzz's recruiting and we have a different issue and I would be very, very, very concerned.
So my lack of negativity is that I believe either Derrick will play better or Buzz will play a better option than Derrick next year (Duane Wilson in my opinion).
If I'm forecasting, senior or not, Derrick will get no more than 15 minutes in conference play next year...Duane specifically and maybe some Dawson will get the majority of the PG minutes in conference play next year.
Someone needs to ring up keefe so he can chime in on this backdoor thing and post pictures.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 01:11:35 PM
I have Warrior on ignore so I only saw what you posted through Chapman. You continue to ignore the whole point. You and MUBuzz and Ners continue to claim the coach has blind loyalty to Derrick. So this means he either can't or won't see the facts that are clear to you...Dawson is better than Derrick. If he is willfully ignoring that Dawson is better, that results in losses, he should be fired. If he is incapable of seeing Dawson is better, that is a major gap and would present itself other places and should be addressed quickly. If he is doing it to "prove a point" or because he is "stubborn" he should be fired.
I'm not trying to get you to say he should be fired....I'm trying to get you guys to realize Buzz HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION than you, and while your opinions are ones worth discussing that are not facts.
In your opinion Dawson is better Derrick. In my opinion he is not. Apparently in Buzz's opinion Dawson is not better. (this year)
Next year, we don't know what Buzz will do.
I honestly think that he had his mind made up that he was hitching his wagon to Derrick for better or worse this season. Maybe it's subconsciously, but I have zero doubt in my mind that is what's going on this year. He started planting the seed last year that Derrick was his guy, when he repeatedly said he should be starting over Junior. His production doesn't equal the amount of minutes he receives. Dawson has looked pretty good in most of the games he plays and adds another element to the team that Derrick doesn't. Yet his minutes are few and far between. I could understand if we had a stud pg getting all the minutes, but we don't. This is why I think it is going to be more of the same next year. I hope it's not, as this year has been extremely frustrating.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 01:14:00 PM
Ners, you state this as fact, I guarantee you this is not fact for some/all players. Again it can be the difference in philosophy but I don't want a player playing max minutes that can't prove in 2-3 minutes he's capable of playing. That's a mental issue not a physical. Get your mental right on the practice court so you don't have to be doing it on the competition court.
Again difference of philosophy, in no way a fact.
Most guys who have played basketball at just the high school level know it takes a little time to get into a flow, and to be judged on 2-3 minute segments of action is really tough. My issues is that Buzz has given countless ENTIRE halves to Derrick and largely hasn't gotten good performance. He's given him every single opportunity one could ever hope for to show progress, and that he merits such minutes, but 9 times out of 10 you can't honestly say Derrick's shown he's earned those minutes.
If we isolated Derrick's PT to 12 minutes a game, and roughly four, 2-3 minute segments - can you imagine how his numbers would look? And that's saying he's getting those same 12 minutes EVERY game...not wildly inconsistent minutes from DNP's to 18 in a game. My frustration is that Buzz has a double standard of sorts with some players - usually the distinction being upperclassmen versus underclassmen....there is a lot more rope/leash shown to the upperclassmen than underclassmen. It's one thing if you are getting generally good performance from your upperclassmen...but come on..just look at last 5 games of the year for Derrick....how can anyone argue that all those minutes were earned...meanwhile Dawson's last 5 games numbers GREATLY exceeded Derrick...yet in 1/3rd of the time??
Haven't read the thread at all. But how did this turn into a Derrick thread?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 12, 2014, 03:19:09 PM
Haven't read the thread at all. But how did this turn into a Derrick thread?
4 letters. It starts with an "N" and ends with "ers"
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 12, 2014, 03:19:09 PM
Haven't read the thread at all. But how did this turn into a Derrick thread?
Several posters, whom you probably have blocked, said they are not looking forward to next year. Gave their reasons, Buzz, Derrick, etc. The usual suspects came to the defense of Buzz and gave their rebuttal and here we are again. Did you really need to ask? It is the same progression every thread takes. I could start a thread saying I hate Wisconsin winters and the only reason I live in the state is for Marquette basketball and family, and we would be at Buzz's love affair with Derrick and how it is ruining the program by page 2.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on March 12, 2014, 03:25:44 PM
4 letters. It starts with an "N" and ends with "ers"
Not entirely true. This one is mostly on mu03eng.
I sure hope you are right, but not betting on it... although I did bet MU would .500 or worse in conference after watching the non-conference train wreck back court and was right...
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 01:32:42 PM
My enthusiasm would be down next as well if that happens. If Buzz plays Derrick next year(and he doesn't perform better than this year) and there is a better option, I think Buzz should be gone as he's clearly to inflexible to be successful. If Buzz plays Derrick next year and there isn't a better option...than that's on Buzz's recruiting and we have a different issue and I would be very, very, very concerned.
So my lack of negativity is that I believe either Derrick will play better or Buzz will play a better option than Derrick next year (Duane Wilson in my opinion).
If I'm forecasting, senior or not, Derrick will get no more than 15 minutes in conference play next year...Duane specifically and maybe some Dawson will get the majority of the PG minutes in conference play next year.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 12, 2014, 03:29:23 PM
Several posters, whom you probably have blocked, said they are not looking forward to next year. Gave their reasons, Buzz, Derrick, etc. The usual suspects came to the defense of Buzz and gave their rebuttal and here we are again. Did you really need to ask? It is the same progression every thread takes. I could start a thread saying I hate Wisconsin winters and the only reason I live in the state is for Marquette basketball and family, and we would be at Buzz's love affair with Derrick and how it is ruining the program by page 2.
I have only actually blocked one user, Dreadman. He is a useless troll. I don't block people with legitimate information just because they disagree with me. I just literally didn't read the whole thread because I didn't feel like reading 4 pages on UWM. Was surprised when even a thread about another school could turn into a Derrick thread.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 12, 2014, 03:49:02 PM
I have only actually blocked one user, Dreadman. He is a useless troll. I don't block people with legitimate information just because they disagree with me. I just literally didn't read the whole thread because I didn't feel like reading 4 pages on UWM. Was surprised when even a thread about another school could turn into a Derrick thread.
Really?
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 12, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
Really?
In hind sight...probably shouldn't have been
Quote from: Bleuteaux on March 12, 2014, 03:25:44 PM
4 letters. It starts with an "N" and ends with "ers"
Nice try...wasn't me who hijacked the thread...go back and re-read thread before you make yourself look foolish.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 12, 2014, 03:30:08 PM
Not entirely true. This one is mostly on mu03eng.
I turned it into a next year thread based on MUBuzz's Eeyoring about next year, from there it it devolved further to which I contributed. I regret nothing :D
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 04:21:58 PM
I turned it into a next year thread based on MUBuzz's Eeyoring about next year, from there it it devolved further to which I contributed. I regret nothing :D
Didn't say you regret it, but what did you expect to happen when you ask people why they aren't looking forward to next season? This one isn't on Ners, for once.
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 12, 2014, 04:25:41 PM
Didn't say you regret it, but what did you expect to happen when you ask people why they aren't looking forward to next season? This one isn't on Ners, for once.
I'm not the one complaining about what the thread turned into....I think it was enlightening and reconfirmed some of the things I was thinking all along and I'm content.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 04:21:58 PM
I turned it into a next year thread based on MUBuzz's Eeyoring about next year, from there it it devolved further to which I contributed. I regret nothing :D
Well said mu03eng....it's been a fun discussion...and quite frankly without the PG debate, and Mayo's minutes debate, minutes for other freshman - Burton and JJJ....there just simply hasn't been a lot to talk/post about this season..
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 12, 2014, 01:39:08 PM
Someone needs to ring up keefe so he can chime in on this backdoor thing and post pictures.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DiO3KLL6RgI/SgCzjgni9mI/AAAAAAAAACk/jup8SkZkP7E/s320/dogggy.jpg)
(http://www.meemes.com/sites/default/files/styles/galleria_zoom-copy/public/doggy-style-hyena-mating.jpg?itok=-3KU-sKb)
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Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 01:11:35 PM
I have Warrior on ignore so I only saw what you posted through Chapman. You continue to ignore the whole point. You and MUBuzz and Ners continue to claim the coach has blind loyalty to Derrick. So this means he either can't or won't see the facts that are clear to you...Dawson is better than Derrick. If he is willfully ignoring that Dawson is better, that results in losses, he should be fired. If he is incapable of seeing Dawson is better, that is a major gap and would present itself other places and should be addressed quickly. If he is doing it to "prove a point" or because he is "stubborn" he should be fired.
I'm not trying to get you to say he should be fired....I'm trying to get you guys to realize Buzz HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION than you, and while your opinions are ones worth discussing that are not facts.
In your opinion Dawson is better Derrick. In my opinion he is not. Apparently in Buzz's opinion Dawson is not better. (this year)
Next year, we don't know what Buzz will do.
No shice, Sherlock, that Buzz has a different opinion than I do. I believe he is doing it because he is stubborn hoping against hope that his boy will produce. Well he hasn't so according to you, he should be fired.
You are right about one thing--he can't or won't see the facts, because of that stubbornness. He isn't going to play a Frosh in front of that stubbornness. I guess we need to agree to disagree. If he goes with Derrick next year at 30 plus, then there will be chicken feathers flying.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2014, 01:11:35 PM
I have Warrior on ignore so I only saw what you posted through Chapman. You continue to ignore the whole point. You and MUBuzz and Ners continue to claim the coach has blind loyalty to Derrick. So this means he either can't or won't see the facts that are clear to you...Dawson is better than Derrick. If he is willfully ignoring that Dawson is better, that results in losses, he should be fired. If he is incapable of seeing Dawson is better, that is a major gap and would present itself other places and should be addressed quickly. If he is doing it to "prove a point" or because he is "stubborn" he should be fired.
I'm not trying to get you to say he should be fired....I'm trying to get you guys to realize Buzz HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION than you, and while your opinions are ones worth discussing that are not facts.
In your opinion Dawson is better Derrick. In my opinion he is not. Apparently in Buzz's opinion Dawson is not better. (this year)
Next year, we don't know what Buzz will do.
BTW MU03Eng; How did Buzz work out for you?