Take it
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2014/03/10/xavier-matt-stainbrook-ruled-out-marquette/6259557/
Feed. The. Ox.
Oh well.
On another note, twitter blowing up suggesting Embiid has a stress fracture and might be done till at least S16 if KU makes it that far without him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 10, 2014, 09:17:09 PM
Take it
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2014/03/10/xavier-matt-stainbrook-ruled-out-marquette/6259557/
I can't help but feel this will cheapen victory should we emerge from the smoke of battle victorious
Quote from: keefe on March 10, 2014, 10:11:19 PM
I can't help but feel this will cheapen victory should we emerge from the smoke of battle victorious
Who cares?
Quote from: keefe on March 10, 2014, 10:11:19 PM
I can't help but feel this will cheapen victory should we emerge from the smoke of battle victorious
Oh, it would. But a cheap victory is better than no victory.
Huge blow for them. One of the only players in the big east that can take it right to our bigs.
Quote from: keefe on March 10, 2014, 10:11:19 PM
I can't help but feel this will cheapen victory should we emerge from the smoke of battle victorious
It will. Sometimes better to be lucky than good.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 10, 2014, 10:41:32 PM
It will. Sometimes better to be lucky than good.
Guess I missed Stainbrook being named first team All American. But I'm happy for you - nothing you love better than a lose/lose scenario for MU.
I missed your posts discounting the games we lost this year with Mayo or Gardner hurt or Mayo suspended. LOL
Can't take this game as a given W.
Can't take this game as a given W.
Can't...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 10, 2014, 09:17:09 PM
Take it
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2014/03/10/xavier-matt-stainbrook-ruled-out-marquette/6259557/
Might actually come back and bite us. Stainbrook was a very good matchup for Davante. This might up up the game for a more athletic forward.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 10, 2014, 10:45:24 PM
Guess I missed Stainbrook being named first team All American. But I'm happy for you - nothing you love better than a lose/lose scenario for MU.
I missed your posts discounting the games we lost this year with Mayo or Gardner hurt or Mayo suspended. LOL
3 people here made the same comments, you go after one. LOL
Matchups mean something, and Stainbrook is one guy that can hurt us due to his size. Sorry, Mayo getting suspended is his own problem and the team's...that's self selected stupidity, not a random injury. I didn't realize Gardner missed any games this year due to injury that we also lost.
Feel bad for the guy, but this is great news. I knew he had no shot at playing, but didnt expect to hear any official like this. Let's hope Mu capitalizes, and Georgetown takes care of Creighton for us. Creighton is really horrible matchup for this MU squad.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 10, 2014, 10:45:24 PM
Guess I missed Stainbrook being named first team All American. But I'm happy for you - nothing you love better than a lose/lose scenario for MU.
I missed your posts discounting the games we lost this year with Mayo or Gardner hurt or Mayo suspended. LOL
Guys here get carried away. Many had Jordan Bachynski as all-world and a 1st round draft pick after we lost to ASU.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 11, 2014, 12:29:27 AM
Feel bad for the guy, but this is great news. I knew he had no shot at playing, but didnt expect to hear any official like this. Let's hope Mu capitalizes, and Georgetown takes care of Creighton for us. Creighton is really horrible matchup for this MU squad.
Mainly because of our defense. We give them way over their average of 3-point attempts - the exact opposite of what we should be doing.
Quote from: brandx on March 11, 2014, 12:34:27 AM
Mainly because of our defense. We give them way over their average of 3-point attempts - the exact opposite of what we should be doing.
Yep, a team of shooters typically eats this team alive.
Two thoughts:
1. Decoy?
2. Reynolds had 5 rebounds and 2 points in the first game and 6 points with 7 rebounds in the 2nd. He could be dangerous.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 11, 2014, 08:50:08 AM
Two thoughts:
1. Decoy?
Nope, more likley positioning/propaganda for the committee. They can take injuries into account, so if you're Xavier you are hoping that's the case should they lose Thursday.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 10, 2014, 11:23:41 PM
3 people here made the same comments, you go after one. LOL
1 person initiated the topic.
1 person wrote in the headline that Marquette got a "huge" break.
1 person posted multiple times to reinforce the idea of just how lucky Marquette was.
Guess who?
Your "I'm a victim", "It's not what is said, it's who said it" crap works on a few folks but most see through that BS. It's also how you say it and how often.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 11, 2014, 08:56:37 AM
1 person initiated the topic.
1 person wrote in the headline that Marquette got a "huge" break.
1 person posted multiple times to reinforce the idea of just how lucky Marquette was.
Guess who?
Your "I'm a victim", "It's not what is said, it's who said it" crap works on a few folks but most see through that BS. It's also how you say it and how often.
You're right, it's not considered a huge break, even though the news media is characterizing it the same way. :o Let's see, what did I also immediately say...TAKE IT. These things happen in sports. Was I the first person to say anything about it potentially being diminished in any capacity? Nope. The second person? Nope. Your hard on is strong today.
About that injury to Gardner where he missed a game this year.........
Quote from: brandx on March 11, 2014, 12:30:39 AM
Guys here get carried away. Many had Jordan Bachynski as all-world and a 1st round draft pick after we lost to ASU.
He's definitely not an All American, but Lenny is lying if he would rather play Xavier with Stainbrook than without. He's the only guy they have that can neutralize Gardner. First game he was 6 of 7 from the field. Led the team with 8 rebounds last game.
Now, unless Buzz pulls a Creighton offensive coaching philosophy where we ignore Gardner, we caught a great break and should capitalize on it nicely. It happens. We've been on the other end many times..Diener hurt, McNeal hurt, DJ hurt. Part of sports.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 11, 2014, 08:56:37 AM
1 person initiated the topic.
1 person wrote in the headline that Marquette got a "huge" break.
1 person posted multiple times to reinforce the idea of just how lucky Marquette was.
Guess who?
Your "I'm a victim", "It's not what is said, it's who said it" crap works on a few folks but most see through that BS. It's also how you say it and how often.
Lenny's right. If we win, we were lucky. If we lose, Buzz is a buffoon. Chicos...you have a long history of such things. Do you really think people don't see through you?
Send 2 of that them shirts to F*cken and send BeeJay the bill.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 11, 2014, 09:08:33 AM
Now, unless Buzz pulls a Creighton offensive coaching philosophy where we ignore Gardner, we caught a great break and should capitalize on it nicely.
Did you really just use the Kareem Stainbrook injury to take a swipe at Buzz for the Creighton games? And also set up your narrative (easy win, Buzz screw up if we lose)?
I know you're modest and think you're just a garden variety dick but don't sell yourself short. You're special and deserve all the attention you get.
How are you doing with your TC defense fund on the Indiana boards?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2014, 09:28:48 AM
Send 2 of that them shirts to F*cken and send BeeJay the bill.
2XL for me, 4XL with no sleeves for the beej.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 11, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
Lenny's right. If we win, we were lucky. If we lose, Buzz is a buffoon. Chicos...you have a long history of such things. Do you really think people don't see through you?
I have noticed a ramp up in Chicos swipes at Buzz. While Buzz was winning, he had to keep it a little more low key. Now he has reverted to full on April 2008 mode.
Wonder what the line on the game will be now?
And it just seems realistic to say that the game is very winnable for MU now, and if they don't take advantage, it would be a huge disappointment.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 11, 2014, 09:52:47 AM
a garden variety dick
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Quote from: mu-rara on March 11, 2014, 10:12:13 AM
I have noticed a ramp up in Chicos swipes at Buzz. While Buzz was winning, he had to keep it a little more low key. Now he has reverted to full on April 2008 mode.
Schadenfreude. MU/Buzz Williams fans are suffering after a tough year. So are IU/TC fans (Chicos). Taking shots at Buzz/Marquette eases Chico's pain over the collapse of his beloved Hoosiers and his friend Tom.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 11, 2014, 09:08:33 AM
He's definitely not an All American, but Lenny is lying if he would rather play Xavier with Stainbrook than without. He's the only guy they have that can neutralize Gardner. First game he was 6 of 7 from the field. Led the team with 8 rebounds last game.
Now, unless Buzz pulls a Creighton offensive coaching philosophy where we ignore Gardner, we caught a great break and should capitalize on it nicely. It happens. We've been on the other end many times..Diener hurt, McNeal hurt, DJ hurt. Part of sports.
Really feel bad for Stainbrook, the kid can play. You may be right, but this years team has problems just executing plays. Over the past years we won the close ones because we could execute or make the high percentage shot; not this year. I expect the rest of the Xavier team to be sky high to make up the for the loss. Still want us to win, but this team is hard to watch.
Can we all just agree to refer to the male genitalia as penis? Johnson, Gregory, Dick, Schmuck, and Cock, are all so confusing, mundane, and ordinary.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2014, 11:24:24 AM
Can we all just agree to refer to the male genitalia as penis? Johnson, Gregory, Dick, Schmuck, and Cock, are all so confusing, mundane, and ordinary.
What about the one-eyed albino rhino?
BTW, you're getting lame in your dotage. First this no grain thing, now no other words for shlongs? WTF bro?
Stainbrook made All Big East a few days ago. I'm happier playing Xavier without him than with him, gives us a better chance to win. Any time you take away a team's leading rebounder, 2nd in assists, 3rd leading scorer, 1st in blocked shots, and a guy that shoots 55% from the floor and 71% from the line, you catch a break.
Time to go get it and cash it in.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 11, 2014, 12:13:39 PM
Stainbrook made All Big East a few days ago. I'm happier playing Xavier without him than with him, gives us a better chance to win. Any time you take away a team's leading rebounder, 2nd in assists, 3rd leading scorer, 1st in blocked shots, and a guy that shoots 55% from the floor and 71% from the line, you catch a break.
Time to go get it and cash it in.
Yes. This cannot be debated. The rest of this thread is white noise.
Quote from: keefe on March 11, 2014, 10:32:27 AM
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Is that Johnny Carson?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 11, 2014, 10:37:39 AM
Schadenfreude. MU/Buzz Williams fans are suffering after a tough year. So are IU/TC fans (Chicos). Taking shots at Buzz/Marquette eases Chico's pain over the collapse of his beloved Hoosiers and his friend Tom.
Someone's lookin' for a cat fight. Claws out, b*tches!!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 11, 2014, 12:13:39 PM
Stainbrook made All Big East a few days ago. I'm happier playing Xavier without him than with him, gives us a better chance to win. Any time you take away a team's leading rebounder, 2nd in assists, 3rd leading scorer, 1st in blocked shots, and a guy that shoots 55% from the floor and 71% from the line, you catch a break.
Time to go get it and cash it in.
That's all true. But, without Stainbrook, Xavier will be a longer quicker team ala Villanova. I think I would rather have Stainbrook play.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 11, 2014, 12:23:45 PM
Is that Johnny Carson?
Ed Ames, I believe
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Quote from: Nukem2 on March 11, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
That's all true. But, without Stainbrook, Xavier will be a longer quicker team ala Villanova. I think I would rather have Stainbrook play.
This was sort of what I was thinking in another thread, when this came out yesterday. While you remove a big contributor, I'm not sure it doesn't hurt the matchup for MU.
Eh, at this point, who the hell cares? MU is either going to win or they're going to lose.
I think it is smart for XU not to play Stainbrook. If they lose, the committee will have to factor it in. Helps to explain the loss. Shrewd move.
How come UWGB does not game same consideration as they played the game with Keifer Sykes on one leg?
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 11, 2014, 05:57:06 PM
How come UWGB does not game same consideration as they played the game with Keifer Sykes on one leg?
Only matters if he did not play. Buzz should not of played a sick Gardner against San Diego St. Of course at this point it does not matter, but if we had won the last two overtime games it might of.
How 'bout them closed door preseason scrimmages?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2014, 07:29:07 PM
How 'bout them closed door preseason scrimmages?
Looked like a 2 seed against Virginia.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 11, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
Lenny's right. If we win, we were lucky. If we lose, Buzz is a buffoon. Chicos...you have a long history of such things. Do you really think people don't see through you?
LOL. Yes, so when I called for Buzz to be Coach of the Year of the Big East....in two separate years on this board....I really meant that he should be named Luckiest Coach of the Year.
Sorry kids, some games we are lucky....just some games. Nuanced for some of you....good to see MU-Ra has been monitoring a ramp up. You really can't make this stuff up.
No, MU isn't a lucky program, they are a damn good program with a damn good coach and have had damn good coaches for a long time. That doesn't take away that some games we have been lucky, hell even Lenny was able to cough out the truth the other day.
"We're lucky to be here"...Buzz Williams (apparently ramping up against himself). Classic
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 11, 2014, 09:52:47 AM
Did you really just use the Kareem Stainbrook injury to take a swipe at Buzz for the Creighton games? And also set up your narrative (easy win, Buzz screw up if we lose)?
I know you're modest and think you're just a garden variety dick but don't sell yourself short. You're special and deserve all the attention you get.
How are you doing with your TC defense fund on the Indiana boards?
Oh Prankster, let's not go overboard.
Did I take a swipe at Buzz for the Creighton games in this thread....no, but it sure seems at least 100 other people here have, you didn't seem to notice them, but the bat signal went off on this one that you think that's the case. Do I think the execution of a game plan in either one of those games was horrid? Yes, I do. So do many others, but again you aren't keen on that.
True or not, MU should have an easier time against XU as they are missing an All Big East player, leading rebounder, 3rd leading scorer and their only true center? True or not?
True or not, if MU was missing DG, would you and others say the other team caught us short handed and got a break? True or not?
Case rested and closed......oh, about that game that Gardner missed this year.......
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 11, 2014, 10:37:39 AM
Schadenfreude. MU/Buzz Williams fans are suffering after a tough year. So are IU/TC fans (Chicos). Taking shots at Buzz/Marquette eases Chico's pain over the collapse of his beloved Hoosiers and his friend Tom.
Double whammy for me this year. As a MU and IU fan, it's been tough. He's no friend of mine Prankster, in fact I didn't care for him and neither did my friends that worked for him. Do I find some irony in this year, especially from the likes of you and others.....you betcha.
Quote from: mu-rara on March 11, 2014, 10:12:13 AM
I have noticed a ramp up in Chicos swipes at Buzz. While Buzz was winning, he had to keep it a little more low key. Now he has reverted to full on April 2008 mode.
Three straight losses tends to ramp things up for a team picked to win the Big East and finishing 6th, but honestly, I think I have bent over backwards for Buzz this year, especially compared to others on this board....maybe they got "ramped up" first. I don't think it was his finest year coaching at MU. Many strange lineups, decisions, etc. I still have hope we put a 3 gamer together here in a few days. Talent is there potentially.
If this was a rebuilding year, I think the frustration would be a lot less. It wasn't a rebuilding year, we weren't suffering from youth (seniors and juniors starting with senior off the bench), just some poor all around play. If we had lost a gazillion points from the team, rebounding etc, I could see it....but not the case. The league got easier, we got poorer, but I have been more than fair to Buzz all year long, despite what your fascinations say.
I'm actually with Chicos here. He wasn't saying anything different than I was thinking.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 11, 2014, 11:35:59 PMI still have hope we put a 3 gamer together here in a few days. Talent is there potentially.
Still the biggest myth perpetuated on this board.
This team is not nearly as talented as people think. It's Davante and a bunch of role players.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 12, 2014, 09:30:38 AM
Still the biggest myth perpetuated on this board.
This team is not nearly as talented as people think. It's Davante and a bunch of role players.
"The whole is (
should be) greater than the sum of its parts (
talent)" - Aristotle
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 12, 2014, 09:30:38 AM
Still the biggest myth perpetuated on this board.
This team is not nearly as talented as people think. It's Davante and a bunch of role players.
Yeah, Mayo and Burton are role players...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 10, 2014, 11:23:41 PM
3 people here made the same comments, you go after one. LOL
Matchups mean something, and Stainbrook is one guy that can hurt us due to his size. Sorry, Mayo getting suspended is his own problem and the team's...that's self selected stupidity, not a random injury. I didn't realize Gardner missed any games this year due to injury that we also lost.
Gardner played his worst game IIRC against SDSU while puking into a bucket on the sideline due to illness. And we still almost won.
The thing that will really matter is what kind of game the refs decide to call. We are toast, if they decide to call a foul everytime Christian tries to drive to the basket.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 12, 2014, 09:30:38 AM
Still the biggest myth perpetuated on this board.
This team is not nearly as talented as people think. It's Davante and a bunch of role players.
Well, people paid to be Big East coaches said two of our guys were talented enough to be preseason All Big East. At the end of the year, a third was named to the all rookie team. 4 or 5 guys on our team are consensus top 100 recruits....not the end all be all by any stretch, though statistically speaking I would find it a little odd that they all missed on every one of them.
I think the talent is there, doesn't mean they are playing up to that talent level.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 12, 2014, 05:26:24 PM
Gardner played his worst game IIRC against SDSU while puking into a bucket on the sideline due to illness. And we still almost won.
Yup, I was at the game about 10 feet from him puking. In fact, I gave the update here that he was throwing up. I believe he played a little over half the game.
No one seems to want to answer the question I posed for reasons I can't fathom why. :P
If MU didn't have DG available tomorrow, would we think the other team caught a huge break? Hmmm.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 12, 2014, 09:28:15 PM
If MU didn't have DG available tomorrow, would we think the other team caught a huge break? Hmmm.
We would have caught a break. Full on give up, so no meltdown needed.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 12, 2014, 05:26:24 PM
Gardner played his worst game IIRC against SDSU while puking into a bucket on the sideline due to illness. And we still almost won.
A loss is a loss. We almost "won" several games.
Quote from: chapman on March 12, 2014, 09:43:43 PM
We would have caught a break. Full on give up, so no meltdown needed.
No melt down needed. I just find it funny how fauxraged people get or offended over the absolute obvious. We are catching a break tomorrow. It's a good thing for us, let's go get this thing. I'd rather play them without Stainbrook than with. I don't care if it is an easier path, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Others get upset at the mere mention of that reality as if it is deflowering Buzz and the team or something. Please.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 12, 2014, 09:25:19 PM
Well, people paid to be Big East coaches said two of our guys were talented enough to be preseason All Big East. At the end of the year, a third was named to the all rookie team. 4 or 5 guys on our team are consensus top 100 recruits....not the end all be all by any stretch, though statistically speaking I would find it a little odd that they all missed on every one of them.
I think the talent is there, doesn't mean they are playing up to that talent level.
Preseason coaches polls and high school rankings? LOL You make fun of them and you embrace them - whichever supports your agenda.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 12, 2014, 10:43:13 PM
Preseason coaches polls and high school rankings? LOL You make fun of them and you embrace them - whichever supports your agenda.
This from the guy who repeatedly trotted out Jimmy Butler's rank as a junior in HS (ignoring that he was a JUCO AA when Buzz finally got around to recruiting him).
Or repeatedly hyped the infalibitiliy of the coaches' prediction of a 12th place finish in 2009.
LOL. He sure a lot of respect for those preseason coaches polls and HS rankings when they suited HIS agenda. Now? Not so much.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 12, 2014, 11:11:29 PM
This from the guy who repeatedly trotted out Jimmy Butler's rank as a junior in HS (ignoring that he was a JUCO AA when Buzz finally got around to recruiting him).
You're a liar. I brought up his ranking from his SENIOR year in high school to compare him to where our and other players were ranked as seniors.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 12, 2014, 11:15:47 PM
You're a liar. I brought up his ranking from his SENIOR year in high school to compare him to where our and other players were ranked as seniors.
I'm pretty sure that was his rank after his junior year before his senior season.
But go ahead post the link showing that rank was actually from the end of his senior year, and I'll be happy to issue a correction.
Finally, even if you find the link, its still going to be a HS ranking. Which means that you are more than willing to cite HS rank when it suits your agenda, while criticizing others when they doing the same.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 13, 2014, 12:02:47 AM
I'm pretty sure that was his rank after his junior year before his senior season.
But go ahead post the link showing that rank was actually from the end of his senior year, and I'll be happy to issue a correction.
Finally, even if you find the link, its still going to be a HS ranking. Which means that you are more than willing to cite HS rank when it suits your agenda, while criticizing others when they doing the same.
I'm sorry I called you a liar. That was wrong on my part. But c'mon, man, why would I or anybody else here talk about a guy's ranking his JUNIOR year in high school?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 12, 2014, 10:43:13 PM
Preseason coaches polls and high school rankings? LOL You make fun of them and you embrace them - whichever supports your agenda.
Pretty sure I said they aren't the end all be all....in fact I did, right there in the part you quoted. LOL. I also said statistically it would be pretty odd to have all those guys wrong on every single player. Can they be wrong on one guy...sure....two guys...ok....three guys....starting to wonder.
You still haven't answered the question...if DG was out tomorrow, would our opponent catch a huge break? Hell, if Jamil Wilson was out tomorrow, would that be a break for the opposition? Come on, you can answer it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 12, 2014, 10:43:13 PM
Preseason coaches polls and high school rankings? LOL You make fun of them and you embrace them - whichever supports your agenda.
Lenny, I love ya, you are fellow member of the optimist club...and Chicos definitely asks for it sometimes...but I don't think this is one of those times. Xavier losing Stainbrook is indeed a huge break for us
Chicos is upset that there will be one less traditional on the court tonight.
Perhaps he is also angering himself by repeatedly bring up preseason "picks" for MU, even though he thinks they are absurd.
Guy would fit in well with California politics. Unprincipled bs; bi-polar tendencies; quick to attack on separate topic if a topic is brought up that "hurts" him
Maybe McDermott will come down with crotch rot or somethin', a'ina?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 13, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
I'm sorry I called you a liar. That was wrong on my part. But c'mon, man, why would I or anybody else here talk about a guy's ranking his JUNIOR year in high school?
Apology accepted.
My recollection is that it was cited in an article where Buzz Williams was trying to show how far Jimmy had come--and he used the junior rank becuase it was his low point and showed more progress from that point to becomming a JUCO AA and continuing on that path at MU. Thats why people talk about it.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 13, 2014, 06:21:08 AM
Chicos is upset that there will be one less traditional on the court tonight.
Perhaps he is also angering himself by repeatedly bring up preseason "picks" for MU, even though he thinks they are absurd.
Guy would fit in well with California politics. Unprincipled bs; bi-polar tendencies; quick to attack on separate topic if a topic is brought up that "hurts" him
Stainbrook a traditional? Why? Define what it means to you, since you obviously believe you have a definition from me.
I think preseason top 25 picks are absurd, please try to get your "facts" straight. The idea that prognosticators can settle on 25 teams out of 350 and decide who the top 25 are is silly. Now, the idea of getting coaches in your own league decide who is good and who isn't and to rank order them 1 through 10 (not pick 25 out of 350), is not nearly as hard, but still runs a risk of error...no doubt. I'm surprised they got MU wrong by 5 spots in a 10 team league. That's why I don't care for them, but that's not what rail against. Also, what Lenny is getting upset about is the PLAYERS picked in the preseason that I brought up, not the teams. I guess relying on paid coaches, professionals..experts in their field to opine as to who the best players are in their small league is too tall of an ask and should be discarded. To each their own.
The rest of your diatribe would make more sense if you actually got the facts right in the first place....try again.
lol, sorry your guys lost again today. You'll still get a banner if the NIT invite comes through - don't be so down.
Coaches can be smart when it comes to their own teams... CAN be.
To think they're experts on how their own conference will play out? Pushing it. Depends.
Many paid professionals in a variety of fields are bad at what they do.
Some are excited by big letters like "espn" and award instant credibility to anything said by anyone associated with them... I know better.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 13, 2014, 09:59:53 AM
Apology accepted.
My recollection is that it was cited in an article where Buzz Williams was trying to show how far Jimmy had come--and he used the junior rank becuase it was his low point and showed more progress from that point to becomming a JUCO AA and continuing on that path at MU. Thats why people talk about it.
I Have no idea where Jimmy was rated after his junior year in high school, but he went to a JUCO after his senior year even though he was a qualifier because no D1 programs came knockin'.
Those coaches often recruited those same kids to play for their own school, but didn't land them. Furthermore, they study film of those players to determine how to beat them. It is what they are paid to do, evaluate strengths and weaknesses of teams and individual players. That is one of the main tenants of their profession.
But let's not get into your apples to oranges comparison, or that of Lenny's. The preseason top 25 polls by a bunch of writers who don't know jack squat is not credible and has been proven time and again. I'm sorry, but I don't find that on the same level as merely picking your league that you coach against year in and year out, knowing the teams inside and out. Same for the players within that league. They certainly have room for error, and I have issues with them, but what I rail against is the dumb preseason polls and the legitimacy some people put against them. Human polls don't mean squat for most of the year, especially early in the year. Late in the year they are better, but still have problems because no one can remember who beat whom to get there, plus they reward teams for not losing even if they play in a crap conference....that's how SDSU got to #3 this year, Gonzaga #1, Wichita State #2, etc. All fine programs, none of them truly deserving of those rankings.
On your other nonsense. I'm not down about anything, this was a rebuilding year for them....I'm much more concerned about MU since this wasn't a rebuilding year for us. We lost one guy of note, they lost 4 guys of note. Though the seas have parted now and we have a much much easier rode to BET then we did 36 hours ago, so things are looking up. Question is if the team plays differently in the last 3 games of the year than they did in the first few months. Hopefully so. If the guys don't know what has been presented to them on a golden platter the last 36 hours, I don't know what to tell you. Go get it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 13, 2014, 05:52:53 PM
Though the seas have parted now and we have a much much easier rode to BET then we did 36 hours ago, so things are looking up. Question is if the team plays differently in the last 3 games of the year than they did in the first few months. Hopefully so. If the guys don't know what has been presented to them on a golden platter the last 36 hours, I don't know what to tell you. Go get it.
Chicos at his passive aggressive best. The worse the Hoosiers/TC perform, the more you revert to Bad Chicos. Villanova losing makes the probability of MU winning the tournament maybe 8% instead of 5%. Only you would characterize that as being presented on a golden platter.
The only other possible explanation for this is you know nothing about odds and probabilities.
Stainbrook is available tonight according to numerous sources... Fun.
Lol at chicos title... "Officially ruled out"...,,, again making a mistake of believing what he reads from his "big name" sources.
Scoop catches huge break. CBB looks like a clown.
And that makes you happy? Geez
where was this "official" ruling?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 13, 2014, 08:43:37 PM
Scoop catches huge break. CBB looks like a clown.
I just wish Buzz Williams wasn't such a clown for saying "I hate that Matt is hurt," MU coach Buzz Williams said. "You always want teams to be full strength at this time of the year."
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/249317801.html
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2014/03/10/xavier-matt-stainbrook-ruled-out-marquette/6259557/
http://eaglecountryonline.com/feed-article/stainbrook-wont-play-against-marquette/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1987863-xaviers-matt-stainbrook-ruled-out-vs-marquette
http://www.yardbarker.com/college_basketball/articles/xaviers_matt_stainbrook_ruled_out_vs_marquette/15979615
http://whbl.com/news/articles/2014/mar/11/marquette-likes-its-chances-on-thursday-vs-xavier/
http://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2014/3/10/5491244/stainbrook-out-until-at-least-saturday
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 13, 2014, 06:00:38 PM
Chicos at his passive aggressive best. The worse the Hoosiers/TC perform, the more you revert to Bad Chicos. Villanova losing makes the probability of MU winning the tournament maybe 8% instead of 5%. Only you would characterize that as being presented on a golden platter.
The only other possible explanation for this is you know nothing about odds and probabilities.
You're right...let's see...we got swept by Nova, they are knocked out and the number 1 seed...that doesn't make things easier. St. John's, swept us and the games are on their home court, them being knocked out doesn't help us. Georgetown, we beat in OT and by 2 points at home...both barn burner games but their elimination doesn't help us. If we get by Creighton, the championship would be against Seton Hall or Providence, whom we are 3-1 against with the one loss in double OT on their court....again, that is not an easier matchup or golden platter presentation.
Let's see, prior to the tournament starting if it was told to you that on one side of the bracket the finals participant will be Seton Hall or Providence you would have wet yourself for joy.
LOL. Did you hear that almost 90% of the top seeds in the NBA win the title..... :D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 13, 2014, 10:10:08 PM
You're right...let's see...we got swept by Nova, they are knocked out and the number 1 seed...that doesn't make things easier. St. John's, swept us and the games are on their home court, them being knocked out doesn't help us. Georgetown, we beat in OT and by 2 points at home...both barn burner games but their elimination doesn't help us. If we get by Creighton, the championship would be against Seton Hall or Providence, whom we are 3-1 against with the one loss in double OT on their court....again, that is not an easier matchup or golden platter presentation.
Let's see, prior to the tournament starting if it was told to you that on one side of the bracket the finals participant will be Seton Hall or Providence you would have wet yourself for joy.
LOL. Did you hear that almost 90% of the top seeds in the NBA win the title..... :D
Why the long post. Just admit you know nothing of the laws of probability and be done with it. When you have a 15% chance to reach the final a 50% or even 60% chance to win that game means 7.5% -9% chance of winning it all. If it's Nova or St Johns, the number is more like 3.75-6%. Big friggin' difference. But since you don't understand basic math, you can't comprehend.
LOL indeed, since I specifically pointed out that the NHL, MLB and NFL were bigger crapshoots and NOT the NBA. You are one dishonest piece of work.
And Georgetown's elimination helped us how? By ensuring we would have to play Creighton (95% chance to beat DePaul) instead of possibly playing much weaker GTown in round 2? Where do you come up with this stuff? I'll explain it to you one more time. No matter what we had to play Xavier, a game we had roughly a 50% chance of winning. Once Georgetown lost we were a lock (95+%) to play Creighton instead of Georgetown in round 2. Chances of getting past Creighton? 30% max. Chance, then of winning both games? .5 x.3 or 15%. Play Seton Hall in the finals? 60% chance of winning. .15 x.6 =.09 or 9% chance to win it all. Providence? 50% chance of winning. .15 x .5 =.075, or 7.5% chance of winning it all. St Johns? 40+% chance of winning! but I'll give you only 40 to help your silly argument..15 x .4 =.06 or 6% chance of winning it all. Villanova, call it a 25% chance of winning. .15 x .25 = .0375 or 3.75% chance.
Summary: If Georgetown wins and beats Creighton our chances of reaching the final game = 25% (.5 x .5) instead of 15% (.5 x .3). Georgetown losing hurt us.
And the "golden platter" we got once GTown lost was a 7.5 - 9% chance instead of a 3.75-6% chance. Whoopee! If you don't follow, I can recommend some books on probabilities but you'd better start on page one of chapter one,
I understand it just fine...coming into the tournament, we had roughly about a 13.5% chance to get to the finals. You are assigning a ~50% chance of winning the other games. It isn't a coin flip, however. Some teams are better than other teams, matchups matter, it's not an equal opportunity. If DePaul had beaten Creighton, our chances of beating DePaul are vastly greater than beating Creighton and our chances overall improve. A final against Seton Hall or Providence is better odds for MU than against Nova. So on and so forth.
You gave Creighton a 95% chance to beat DePaul, I wouldn't go that far. You give MU only a 30% MAX chance to beat Creighton...sorry, I wouldn't have. Thus the numbers change.
All for not, doesn't matter.