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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GGGG on March 04, 2014, 11:24:12 PM
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Shut this board down at the opening tip. If they win, open it back up. If they lose, keep it shut it down until the next morning.
Really, the threads here and the comments reflect very poorly on our fan-base. One of the Duke boards did something similar after one of their loses for similar reasons.
You are losing too many good posters after a night like this.
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Sultan, this may be your low point as far as posts go.
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Shut this board down at the opening tip. If they win, open it back up. If they lose, keep it shut it down until the next morning.
Really, the threads here and the comments reflect very poorly on our fan-base. One of the Duke boards did something similar after one of their loses for similar reasons.
You are losing too many good posters after a night like this.
Seconded, if anything have the chat open just during the game as it isn't permanent and can be helpful if you can't watch the game.
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Seriously...read the posts from the game thread. Read the topics that have started since the game was done. Its the same player-bashing crap that happens after every loss. It's all out of emotion...none of it is rational.
We have to remember, there are family members that read this stuff. And we are just anonymous goofs sitting behind a computer...but we represent Marquette University.
Honestly if we can't represent Marquette appropriately, I think the forum needs to be taken away from us.
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Shut this board down at the opening tip. If they win, open it back up. If they lose, keep it shut it down until the next morning.
Really, the threads here and the comments reflect very poorly on our fan-base. One of the Duke boards did something similar after one of their loses for similar reasons.
You are losing too many good posters after a night like this.
There are some moronic posts that are inexcusable. But too often with Sultan, "good posters" means kool aid drinkers whom he agrees with. My advice, don't allow posts like the one on the NIT thread that says, "FU derrick" that is ridiculous. Too many posters ripping on players instead of the man in charge. But no need to close down the board.
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Shut this board down at the opening tip. If they win, open it back up. If they lose, keep it shut it down until the next morning.
Really, the threads here and the comments reflect very poorly on our fan-base. One of the Duke boards did something similar after one of their loses for similar reasons.
You are losing too many good posters after a night like this.
I've been a long, long time lurker, and think much of the criticism is justified. A little harsh on specific players, but there are real weaknesses in Buzz Williams as a game coach (inbounds plays, end of game situations, protecting a late lead, etc). The Marquette fanbase may blow a collective gasket if some of the same issues rise again next season (they shouldn't but Buzz is so stubborn, they very well might). And if UW makes a deep run in the NCAA's, while MU is one-and-done in the NIT...? Gonna be entertaining reading here, that's for sure!
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Seriously...read the posts from the game thread. Read the topics that have started since the game was done. Its the same player-bashing crap that happens after every loss. It's all out of emotion...none of it is rational.
We have to remember, there are family members that read this stuff. And we are just anonymous goofs sitting behind a computer...but we represent Marquette University.
Honestly if we can't represent Marquette appropriately, I think the forum needs to be taken away from us.
In all honesty, I think that 5% of people that actually look at Marquette look for basketball forums. Maybe even less. Sure as hell wasn't a reason I came here.
But Sultan, I for once, agree with what you say about the forum closing.
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I don't like censorship at all. I'm also not a mod so its hard for me to tell them what to do since they put all the time and effort into things.
I do understand SS' sentiment, however.
Frustrating season with really high expectations which only adds to the frustration.
Senior day is next. Big East tournament after.
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There are some moronic posts that are inexcusable. But too often with Sultan, "good posters" means kool aid drinkers whom he agrees with.
Absolutely false. I have absolutely no problem with people making rational arguments that differ from mine. At all.
Unbelievable.
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Sigh. A lot of stupid posts tonight for sure. But also a lot of frustration to be vented.
You know it's going to happen. If seeing it frustrates you, avoid the board.
"reflect very poorly on our fan-base"
Our fan base is what it is, passionate about basketball. If you want a tee-ball, "award trophies to everyone" discussion, well...you know where that happens...
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Sigh. A lot of stupid posts tonight for sure. But also a lot of frustration to be vented.
You know it's going to happen. If seeing it frustrates you, avoid the board.
"reflect very poorly on our fan-base"
Our fan base is what it is, passionate about basketball. If you want a tee-ball, "award trophies to everyone" discussion, well...you know where that happens...
That is simply crap and a cop out.
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Absolutely false. I have absolutely no problem with people making rational arguments that differ from mine. At all.
Unbelievable.
Most of the time you consider any questioning of Buzz an irrational argument. Hard for anyone to break through your high standards. You know I never rip players, yet you always have a problem with my arguments. Most of which have been validated as the season has gone on. You're right, it is unbelievable.
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How can you seriously suggest shutting down a message board?
Are these kids not receiving a top shelf education free of charge?
Should we not be allowed to acknowledge when they play well?
This is an all time low even for you. These kids play on a high major division one program. The criticism here isn't 1/10th of that if we were a real blue blood. Why don't you leave the board until the following morning if the posts following a very winnable loss upset you?
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Most of the time you consider any questioning of Buzz an irrational argument. Hard for anyone to break through your high standards. You know I never rip players, yet you always have a problem with my arguments. Most of which have been validated as the season has gone on. You're right, it is unbelievable.
I have absolutely no problem with your posts. I never even considered you to be an embarrassment or irrational. I may disagree with them however.
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Sigh. A lot of stupid posts tonight for sure. But also a lot of frustration to be vented.
You know it's going to happen. If seeing it frustrates you, avoid the board.
"reflect very poorly on our fan-base"
Our fan base is what it is, passionate about basketball. If you want a tee-ball, "award trophies to everyone" discussion, well...you know where that happens...
Excellent points. Just think how the players would feel if no one commented on them or the games.
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How can you seriously suggest shutting down a message board?
Are these kids not receiving a top shelf education free of charge?
Should we not be allowed to acknowledge when they play well?
This is an all time low even for you. These kids play on a high major division one program. The criticism here isn't 1/10th of that if we were a real blue blood. Why don't you leave the board until the following morning if the posts following a very winnable loss upset you?
The fact that they exist upsets me. The fact that we have whiney, irrational posters upsets me. And the fact that we have moderators who shed all moderation responsibility bothers me.
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That is simply crap and a cop out.
BS. Shutting down the boards after a loss would be a unnatural carnal knowledgeing cop out. Get over yourself.
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You're unbelievable.
Let's censor the posts after a loss because it might possibly upset someone.
LOL.
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There are some moronic posts that are inexcusable. But too often with Sultan, "good posters" means kool aid drinkers whom he agrees with. My advice, don't allow posts like the one on the NIT thread that says, "FU derrick" that is ridiculous. Too many posters ripping on players instead of the man in charge. But no need to close down the board.
Yes, the "FU" posts were removed. But, in general, we're going to let you guys bitch and moan. Most posters here are able to vent and do so within the rules, but if you're going to get personal or vulgar expect to be deleted and/or banned.
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I have absolutely no problem with your posts. I never even considered you to be an embarrassment or irrational. I may disagree with them however.
I agree with you that some posts are ridiculous. In fact I called for a lifetime ban on one of them awhile ago. All I have ever said, and have been consistent with, is blame Buzz. He recruits, signs and coaches the players it is on him. Don't rip Derrick Wilson because Buzz didn't do a good enough job coaching him up or finding a replacement for him. That is where we have always, and most likely will always, differ. The mods need to cut out posts that are personal attacks, but the board does not need to be shut down.
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I feel that people should be sensitive to family members who read the boards but if their kid gets to the next level, is it okay then?
This team doesn't deserve the sugar coating: it's seniors aren't producing and the freshmen aren't seeing many opportunities.
The love is brutal and honest.
We suck.
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That is simply crap and a cop out.
How is that a cop out? It's the truth.
This isn't little league anymore. Everyone doesn't need to play.
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I agree with you that some posts are ridiculous. In fact I called for a lifetime ban on one of them awhile ago. All I have ever said, and have been consistent with, is blame Buzz. He recruits, signs and coaches the players it is on him. Don't rip Derrick Wilson because Buzz didn't do a good enough job coaching him up or finding a replacement for him. That is where we have always, and most likely will always, differ. The mods need to cut out posts that are personal attacks, but the board does not need to be shut down.
Well, I think it is fair to rip Derrick if he makes costly plays but I do agree it ultimately falls on Buzz. This year he has been a disaster and the way he backs bad players is gross.
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And the fact that we have moderators who shed all moderation responsibility bothers me.
I'm with you about many of the jokers here, and I feel your pain, but Who's we? Unless you are somehow forced to be here, the moderators don't owe you a damn thing.
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BS. Shutting down the boards after a loss would be a unnatural carnal knowledgeing cop out. Get over yourself.
Forget it. I'll give myself a vacation until the season is over.
I knew you wouldn't accept any responsibility.
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I'm with you about many of the jokers here, and I feel your pain, but Who's we? Unless you are somehow forced to be here, the moderators don't owe you a damn thing.
Amen. If you don't like the posters or moderators, start your own forum and run it.
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The fact that they exist upsets me. The fact that we have whiney, irrational posters upsets me. And the fact that we have moderators who shed all moderation responsibility bothers me.
Of course, free speech comes with a price.
IMO "FU Derrick" warrants a ban. But, "Jake sucks" or "Derrick is the worst player to every wear the color blue," while in poor taste, unproductive, and a cliche, shouldn't warrant a ban. You can "fight" these posters by calling them out and making rational comments. That way any parents of MU players/future MU players will see that the good posters far outnumber the bad ones.
For example, I currently have writer's block and in this meantime, I am going through all of the crap comments, trying to round up the irrational sheep by directing their frustration toward the right direction--Buzz and the coaching staff.
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Half the board says players, coaches and families NEVER read boards like this.
The other half says they do.
Censor what you want that's the New American way. No freedom of speech.
Mods on this board are like the team....soft. Since I can't even infer the "P" word even though it's true.
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Half the board says players, coaches and families NEVER read boards like this.
The other half says they do.
Censor what you want that's the New American way. No freedom of speech.
Mods on this board are like the team....soft. Since I can't even infer the "P" word even though it's true.
You honestly think it is ok to single out a player and use an "F" bomb?
Just admit your mistake and move on....smh
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Half the board says players, coaches and families NEVER read boards like this.
The other half says they do.
Censor what you want that's the New American way. No freedom of speech.
Mods on this board are like the team....soft. Since I can't even infer the "P" word even though it's true.
Your tuition/season tickets don't pay the mods for their time, effort, and resources. If by chance you do actually donate for the upkeep of the board, then feel free to pull your donation. You should learn to be grateful.
In any case, if you don't like the mod policy, then leave and/or start your own board.
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Half the board says players, coaches and families NEVER read boards like this.
The other half says they do.
Censor what you want that's the New American way. No freedom of speech.
Mods on this board are like the team....soft. Since I can't even infer the "P" word even though it's true.
There is no "Right" to free speech on a message board. Mods here do an pretty good job.
You're not being persecuted - here or in America. You being allowed to whine like a little girl. And it appears that is all you are asking to do.
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I'm all for free speech. Many get carried away on the boards during games including myself. I wouldn't mind if the game threads were deleted at midnight though following losses. Let's people vent, talk about the game, etc but after that it's time to move on. They are mainly filled with just garbage anyway.
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By all means, let's shut down the boards during the game, after a tough loss, after a blowout loss, after a less-than-satisfying win over a cupcake, between games when there are too many days too opine, on Thursdays, between 1 p.m. and 7:30 p.m. on Sundays and whenever one person doesn't like what another person has said.
There. That should cover it.
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By all means, let's shut down the boards during the game, after a tough loss, after a blowout loss, after a less-than-satisfying win over a cupcake, between games when there are too many days too opine, on Thursdays, between 1 p.m. and 7:30 p.m. on Sundays and whenever one person doesn't like what another person has said.
There. That should cover it.
Maybe then we can land some recruits!
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Shut this board down at the opening tip. If they win, open it back up. If they lose, keep it shut it down until the next morning.
Really, the threads here and the comments reflect very poorly on our fan-base. One of the Duke boards did something similar after one of their loses for similar reasons.
You are losing too many good posters after a night like this.
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I think everyone here knows my position on angry venting and ripping of players. I think it is low, despicable, and makes me question the value of my Marquette degree.
That being said
I would NEVER suggest censoring this board.
As much peace as the shut down would give me, I think goes against the purposes of a message board.
There, let the venting resume
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Seriously...read the posts from the game thread. Read the topics that have started since the game was done. Its the same player-bashing crap that happens after every loss. It's all out of emotion...none of it is rational.
We have to remember, there are family members that read this stuff. And we are just anonymous goofs sitting behind a computer...but we represent Marquette University.
Honestly if we can't represent Marquette appropriately, I think the forum needs to be taken away from us.
Have you read your signature lately?
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Well, I think it is fair to rip Derrick if he makes costly plays but I do agree it ultimately falls on Buzz. This year he has been a disaster and the way he backs bad players is gross.
A coach is supposed to back his players...and Derrick is not a "bad player." He is better then you are. He just is what he is...solid in many respects but limited.
He was thrust into a role and a position not suited for him. So was a few players on this team. Derrick is a fundamentally sound player. But lacks confidence in his shot. And then he sees teams play off of him and it then becomes hard to even make layups or free throws. It is a trickled down effect.
I did not like that play MU ran when all they had to do is get the darn ball inbounds to the right guy. That is inexcusable. Since I did not watch the game and was listening on the radio in bed, I would not make that big a deal out of it.
But the way it was described is you throw that ball to Gardner not Jake Thomas although he is a good FT shooter...but you throw it to someone with good hands and who is taller who can hold the ball away from being tied up.
Devante should have been the first option and Jamil should have been throwing the ball into . . . Devante. All you had to do was get the ball in...come on now.
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You're unbelievable.
Let's censor the posts after a loss because it might possibly upset someone.
LOL.
Yes....you don't have to get personal or vulgar. You're not playing! There not out there trying to lose. You take it for what it is. It doesn't take all of that...
How in the hell are you that frustrated with an MU team that went on the road on their 'Senior Day' was it, down by 11 with about 4:30 to go and took a team to double OT!?
That is ungrateful. Yeah I was upset too. But not at any particular player. I was more upset on that last execution when we could not avoid the tie up and change of possession not the foul on Derrick.
Mayo had a chance to win it at the buzzer and just missed it. They still could of won. Why jump on Derrick?
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How can you seriously suggest shutting down a message board?
Are these kids not receiving a top shelf education free of charge?
Should we not be allowed to acknowledge when they play well?
This is an all time low even for you. These kids play on a high major division one program. The criticism here isn't 1/10th of that if we were a real blue blood. Why don't you leave the board until the following morning if the posts following a very winnable loss upset you?
No why don't you leave before overly berating a player? What does a top shelf education have to do with this game or with you thinking you can verbally abuse a player because you are upset over a loss.
I am sure the players are MORE UPSET THEN YOU ARE!
They don't get paid either. There education is their payment...yeah right. But your abusive of them is not.
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I wonder how any one of us would feel if our co-workers and/or customers personally criticized us anonymously in a public message board like this about our job or academic performance. IT"S JUST A GAME.
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I thought the purpose of this board was to vent our fandom while standing on the soapbox and take it out in cyberspace rather than on the people around us.
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Let them have their therapeutic outlet. Some of it is silly, it'll be buried in the archives in a day or two. After all, I still believe the high horses who constantly whine about the whiners are much more annoying. If everything was positive and encouraging this would a spirit squad board rather than a fan board.
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No why don't you leave before overly berating a player? What does a top shelf education have to do with this game or with you thinking you can verbally abuse a player because you are upset over a loss.
I am sure the players are MORE UPSET THEN YOU ARE!
They don't get paid either. There education is their payment...yeah right. But your abusive of them is not.
I think you're confusing posters as I never said anything vulgar or abusive towards anyone on the team. I do think suggesting shutting down a message board because someone doesn't like the posts following a loss is ridiculous however. He personally could choose not to read them or respond to them.
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A coach is supposed to back his players...and Derrick is not a "bad player." He is better then you are. He just is what he is...solid in many respects but limited.
He was thrust into a role and a position not suited for him. So was a few players on this team. Derrick is a fundamentally sound player. But lacks confidence in his shot. And then he sees teams play off of him and it then becomes hard to even make layups or free throws. It is a trickled down effect.
I did not like that play MU ran when all they had to do is get the darn ball inbounds to the right guy. That is inexcusable. Since I did not watch the game and was listening on the radio in bed, I would not make that big a deal out of it.
But the way it was described is you throw that ball to Gardner not Jake Thomas although he is a good FT shooter...but you throw it to someone with good hands and who is taller who can hold the ball away from being tied up.
Devante should have been the first option and Jamil should have been throwing the ball into . . . Devante. All you had to do was get the ball in...come on now.
He was thrust into a role and a position not suited for him? What role should he be expected to play, shooting guard, power forward, small forward, the 5? He was recruited to play point guard. Now, if he can't play it at the D1 level that is the recruiter's fault for recruiting him.
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Forget it. I'll give myself a vacation until the season is over.
I knew you wouldn't accept any responsibility.
Calm down Sultan. You're just emotional right now. Things are all good at MU Scoop.
Tomorrow will be a better day. ;D
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Why don't you leave the board until the following morning if the posts following a very winnable loss upset you?
This. If reading stupid comments so greatly offends, then maybe those overly-sensitive people should just not read the board for a while. I say that as someone who has made his share of stupid comments in the heat of the moment.
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I'm not sure exactly what has been said out of line on this board after last night's game. IMO it's been a pretty level-headed discussion/evaluation of an emotional loss and a relatively disappointing season in general. I think you're off base here Sultan.
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I'm not sure exactly what has been said out of line on this board after last night's game. IMO it's been a pretty level-headed discussion/evaluation of an emotional loss and a relatively disappointing season in general. I think you're off base here Sultan.
+1
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The fact that they exist upsets me. The fact that we have whiney, irrational posters upsets me. And the fact that we have moderators who shed all moderation responsibility bothers me.
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I'm not sure exactly what has been said out of line on this board after last night's game. IMO it's been a pretty level-headed discussion/evaluation of an emotional loss and a relatively disappointing season in general. I think you're off base here Sultan.
There have been quite a few posts removed. And at very least one person felt the wrath of the banhammer.
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Laissez faire---Let freedom ring
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Like mom used to say....it is all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.
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There have been quite a few posts removed. And at very least one person felt the wrath of the banhammer.
Okay then, logically, aren't the mods doing their jobs? Sultan's suggestion seems moot if that's what's happening.
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I wonder how any one of us would feel if our co-workers and/or customers personally criticized us anonymously in a public message board like this about our job or academic performance. IT"S JUST A GAME.
I'd be kinda worried if my co-workers (or ex-coworkers in my case) had that much invested in me that they worried about it that much. But when working, we have all felt the opinions of others whether in meetings or with merit raises.
Adversity is good for the soul and mind.
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I wonder how any one of us would feel if our co-workers and/or customers personally criticized us anonymously in a public message board like this about our job or academic performance. IT"S JUST A GAME.
It's called Yelp
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I thought the purpose of this board was to vent our fandom while standing on the soapbox and take it out in cyberspace rather than on the people around us.
No, what you just said of the purpose is solely reserved for the Sultan. He is already lobbying with the mods to be the judge of what can be said on this board and what he wishes banned.
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Forget it. I'll give myself a vacation until the season is over.
I knew you wouldn't accept any responsibility.
you're 12, right?....right?
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Remember when one of the biggest topics was whether Buzz would leave for another program? Halcyon days, eh.
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I sometimes wonder if Sultan is a parody poster...
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I'd be kinda worried if my co-workers (or ex-coworkers in my case) had that much invested in me that they worried about it that much. But when working, we have all felt the opinions of others whether in meetings or with merit raises.
Adversity is good for the soul and mind.
Oh, I get it. Trashing players on an internet message board is actually making them better people.
In that case, there are many noble makers of men on this board.
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Okay then, logically, aren't the mods doing their jobs? Sultan's suggestion seems moot if that's what's happening.
That I would agree with. I was just saying the Sultan's frustration didn't just come out of nowhere.
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if UW makes a deep run in the NCAA's, while MU is one-and-done in the NIT...?
We would have happier than how it actually turned out!