Not that surprising...hopefully we sneak in a 4th.
http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology
Still a lot to be determined yet - but I said three a couple months ago with an outside shot at four
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 03, 2014, 10:33:33 PM
Not that surprising...hopefully we sneak in a 4th.
http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology
With Providence being the first team out and St. Johns the third team out. Both can just as easily be back in the field in the next day or two.
That would be pretty devastating to the conference reputation. Fingers crossed for 4.
It could be 5 schools, if things work out the right way.
Georgetown has Creighton & Villanova this week.
Xavier, ouch - early in the year I though 5 was probable given that Xavier and Provi started off the conference hot - then when St. Johns picked things up I thought 5 for sure - man I really hope we can get 4 in -
Sad, but likely true. Hell, a case could be made for only two, but IMO three should make it. Fourth rated RPI conference in country and likely only 3 in?
Honestly if MU doesnt make i dont care how many we get in the tournament.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 03, 2014, 10:33:33 PM
Not that surprising...hopefully we sneak in a 4th.
http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology
Who is we?
WE should only refer to Marquette not a stupid conference. For god sakes this is not BCS football where it truly matters what conference you are in. This is basketball, games are played on court where it matters not in the hands of writers.
As for a 4th team getting in? The only team I care about is if that happens to be Marquette. In fact if providence, St. Johns dont get in; even better cause we did our job and most likely won our games.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 04, 2014, 09:13:04 AM
Who is we?
WE should only refer to Marquette not a stupid conference. For god sakes this is not BCS football where it truly matters what conference you are in. This is basketball, games are played on court where it matters not in the hands of writers.
As for a 4th team getting in? The only team I care about is if that happens to be Marquette. In fact if providence, St. Johns dont get in; even better cause we did our job and most likely won our games.
We is MU....hopefully it is MU, but even if it isn't the more teams in the more $$$$ for Marquette and the more positive love for the conference. This is a young conference, we need as many teams in as possible.
Not going to care how many teams get in from this young conference because this conference wont be here in 4 years.
Quote from: Mu2323 on March 04, 2014, 09:11:12 AM
Honestly if MU doesnt make i dont care how many we get in the tournament.
MU's athletic budget cares, so you should too. Gotta root for things that positively affect MU if we're not in the discussion ourselves. It's all part of a holistic fandom done right. Become cripplingly consumed by the tertiary minutiae affecting MU hoops with the rest of us! Trust me, your life will be better off for it!
Quote from: Mu2323 on March 04, 2014, 09:29:04 AM
Not going to care how many teams get in from this young conference because this conference wont be here in 4 years.
I'm happy to see I'm not the only one in this camp. I can only hope that it doesn't take 4 years before the football powers sort out the "haves" and "have-nots" of the world and select whatever 64 teams they need to create their own leagues. There will be plenty of good, football-playing, schools left for us to partner with that live outside of the power football conferences (e.g. Wake Forest, Kansas, UCONN, Cincy, etc.). Just because someone is in one of those conferences now doesn't mean they automatically retain that seat at the table.
While I am really hoping MU gets in if they don't I'll pull for a BE team to take the spot from them. Especially with a rebuilding conference like this I'm really hoping for a good March for the BE. And an even better March for MU ;D
We gotta see how it all unfolds down the stretch. Honestly, I like MU's positioning right now given the up and down season we've had. If it's up to 3, right now I think Xavier has the edge. But again we will see how it all unfolds. It's still in MU's hands to go on a run, but it absolutely has to start tonight (and if not tonight then next Thursday!)
Quote from: Mu2323 on March 04, 2014, 09:29:04 AM
Not going to care how many teams get in from this young conference because this conference wont be here in 4 years.
Well, since the television contract is longer than that, I'd be happy to hear your logic on this one.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 04, 2014, 09:43:43 AM
Well, since the television contract is longer than that, I'd be happy to hear your logic on this one.
I'll take the under on Fox Sports 1 being here in 4 years.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 04, 2014, 09:34:37 AM
I'm happy to see I'm not the only one in this camp. I can only hope that it doesn't take 4 years before the football powers sort out the "haves" and "have-nots" of the world and select whatever 64 teams they need to create their own leagues. There will be plenty of good, football-playing, schools left for us to partner with that live outside of the power football conferences (e.g. Wake Forest, Kansas, UCONN, Cincy, etc.). Just because someone is in one of those conferences now doesn't mean they automatically retain that seat at the table.
The $10billion television contract for the NCAA basketball tournament is with the NCAA, not with the football schools. The NCAA controls the purse strings for many years to go as it relates to hoops. The idea that they are going to go out and select whatever 64 teams they want is a pipe dream as long as the NCAA controls that television contract....which runs out in 2024.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 04, 2014, 09:45:43 AM
I'll take the under on Fox Sports 1 being here in 4 years.
LOL. Please let's make a wager on this. No way Shanks and Hill let it fail. Absolutely no way...I've known these men for many years and you can bet your life savings FS1 will be here in four years.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 04, 2014, 09:34:37 AM
I'm happy to see I'm not the only one in this camp. I can only hope that it doesn't take 4 years before the football powers sort out the "haves" and "have-nots" of the world and select whatever 64 teams they need to create their own leagues. There will be plenty of good, football-playing, schools left for us to partner with that live outside of the power football conferences (e.g. Wake Forest, Kansas, UCONN, Cincy, etc.). Just because someone is in one of those conferences now doesn't mean they automatically retain that seat at the table.
Im amused.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 04, 2014, 09:16:48 AM
We is MU....hopefully it is MU, but even if it isn't the more teams in the more $$$$ for Marquette and the more positive love for the conference. This is a young conference, we need as many teams in as possible.
+1
Yes, it sucks if MU doesn't make it, but it does matter how many teams the Big East gets in. Especially a conference this young.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 04, 2014, 09:34:37 AM
I'm happy to see I'm not the only one in this camp. I can only hope that it doesn't take 4 years before the football powers sort out the "haves" and "have-nots" of the world and select whatever 64 teams they need to create their own leagues. There will be plenty of good, football-playing, schools left for us to partner with that live outside of the power football conferences (e.g. Wake Forest, Kansas, UCONN, Cincy, etc.). Just because someone is in one of those conferences now doesn't mean they automatically retain that seat at the table.
One step forward...two steps back.
Not gonna happen.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 04, 2014, 09:47:37 AM
LOL. Please let's make a wager on this. No way Shanks and Hill let it fail. Absolutely no way...I've known these men for many years and you can bet your life savings FS1 will be here in four years.
Agree, I'd like in on that action too. Sounds eerily similar to what folks said about Fox when the first started, or when they got the NFL. How'd that turn out? Fox to me is premier network when it comes to live sports programming. In my estimation having surpassed ESPN (NFL, MLB, NASCAR, NCAA football...ESPN may have more quantity, but Fox has higher quality over all). FS1 will not only benefit from that, but they will help augment it, and vice versa.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 04, 2014, 09:13:04 AM
Who is we?
Settle down Francis. If you're an alumni you can say "we". If you're a season ticket holder it's "we". If you donate it's "we". It's a private institution that wouldn't have a team without "we".
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 04, 2014, 09:47:37 AM
LOL. Please let's make a wager on this. No way Shanks and Hill let it fail. Absolutely no way...I've known these men for many years and you can bet your life savings FS1 will be here in four years.
What did the Pope have for breakfast this morning?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 04, 2014, 09:47:37 AM
LOL. Please let's make a wager on this. No way Shanks and Hill let it fail. Absolutely no way...I've known these men for many years and you can bet your life savings FS1 will be here in four years.
Fair enough, then I guess we will watch our team compete in a mid-major on a second-tier television network for the foreseeable future.
As for the NCAA and the basketball contract, that is a two-way street. The NCAA needs the power-football schools as much as the football-schools need the NCAA. A basketball tournament without those schools isn't much of a tournament. In fact those schools could potentially leave the NCAA and conduct their own tournament with the 64 members that remain.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 04, 2014, 10:57:41 AM
Fair enough, then I guess we will watch our team compete in a mid-major on a second-tier television network for the foreseeable future.
Hahaha...whaaaaa? The Big East is far from a Mid Major and FS1 has been nothing but a great get for the BE.
This year was not ideal as a starting point for BE basketball, but it is going to be one of the best 3 conferences in good years, and in bad years (like this year), the BE will still be in the top 5. That is not a MM.
The thing that jumped out to me from Lunardi's forecast is that Georgetown -- a team we beat twice -- is in the "Next Four Out."
Ah, what might have been.
If SJU and Providence get in that means that Marquette did not do it's job in the last few games.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2014, 11:07:19 AM
Hahaha...whaaaaa? The Big East is far from a Mid Major and FS1 has been nothing but a great get for the BE.
This year was not ideal as a starting point for BE basketball, but it is going to be one of the best 3 conferences in good years, and in bad years (like this year), the BE will still be in the top 5. That is not a MM.
+1
Its not the old Big East. But its not a mid major either. As mentioned before, this conference will never be out of the top 5. The conference is having a down year and is #4.
Fox Sports 1 is not ESPN in terms of exposure. But we are getting crazy money from this contract. Its as good as MU could have hoped for with the dissolution of the old Big East.
Quote from: Mu2323 on March 04, 2014, 09:29:04 AM
Not going to care how many teams get in from this young conference because this conference wont be here in 4 years.
What's Val going to do with the furniture? Garage sale?
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 04, 2014, 10:57:41 AM
Fair enough, then I guess we will watch our team compete in a mid-major on a second-tier television network for the foreseeable future.
As for the NCAA and the basketball contract, that is a two-way street. The NCAA needs the power-football schools as much as the football-schools need the NCAA. A basketball tournament without those schools isn't much of a tournament. In fact those schools could potentially leave the NCAA and conduct their own tournament with the 64 members that remain.
Not really, the NCAA doesn't control college football to the extent people think, it's a great fallacy. They do at the lower divisions, but not the Football Bow Division. Sure they control many of the rules and compliance, but the dollars are another thing altogether.
If you think playing in the 4th best basketball conference in the country is mid major, well then nothing is going to make you feel any better. No football schools are going to take a basketball only school, it adds no value to them. Yes, those football schools could leave and conduct whatever they wish, of course what are they going to do with all of their Olympic sports, what network is going to pony up the money to watch Nortwestern vs Washington State....etc, etc. At the end of the day, the football conferences only have so much depth in basketball and while the top teams are great, filling out a 64 team field with football only schools will look like the sham the bowls are today.....lots of unworthy product.
Time to tank for the tournament shares. Follow the DePaul model.
The talk about the BEast folding and FS1 failing is baseless. The BEast is insulated from football realignment. We are at the top of the food chain for basketball only schools.
This is a down year for the BEast. If you look at the recruits the conference is bringing in, we will be moving up from 4th best to 3rd or 2nd. We have more top 100 recruits than any other conference besides the ACC. And almost half of the ACC's are going to Duke/UNC.
Quote from: keefe on March 04, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
What's Val going to do with the furniture? Garage sale?
Cancel the lay-a-way
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 04, 2014, 12:21:33 PM
At the end of the day, the football conferences only have so much depth in basketball and while the top teams are great, filling out a 64 team field with football only schools will look like the sham the bowls are today.....lots of unworthy product.
True, but a basketball tournament of just the football schools is a lot better than a basketball tournament of all non-football schools. The last non-football school to win a NCAA basketball title was Connecticut in 1999. So the football schools still hold quite a bit of power over the NCAA on the basketball side.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 04, 2014, 12:55:24 PM
Cancel the lay-a-way
I didn't realize Ikea had a layaway plan
The Big East is 4th in conference RPI and closer to 3rd than they are 5th. I would be surprised if the Big East got less than 4. In fact I think they get precisely 4. The bubble is extremely mediocre this year so they are going to have to take questionable teams. I don't see a ton of upsets out of the conference tournament so there should be a large pool of at-large bids.
I don't think MU will be the 4th bid from the BEast but I think one of the teams will be.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 04, 2014, 12:56:13 PM
True, but a basketball tournament of just the football schools is a lot better than a basketball tournament of all non-football schools. The last non-football school to win a NCAA basketball title was Connecticut in 1999. So the football schools still hold quite a bit of power over the NCAA on the basketball side.
I guess in 2024 they can give it a try. Or, if they wish to do it sooner than that, the basketball only schools can split the CBS Turner contractual dollars in the meantime while the football schools try and create their own basketball tournament and find their own broadcaster and rights fees associated with it.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 04, 2014, 02:14:16 PM
The Big East is 4th in conference RPI and closer to 3rd than they are 5th. I would be surprised if the Big East got less than 4. In fact I think they get precisely 4. The bubble is extremely mediocre this year so they are going to have to take questionable teams. I don't see a ton of upsets out of the conference tournament so there should be a large pool of at-large bids.
I don't think MU will be the 4th bid from the BEast but I think one of the teams will be.
These are my sentiments exactly.