Expect the UKexpected.
Often close... but no cigar!
I was hoping that the shocker would be that him and D-stone were going to commit today.
I guess the only shocker is that the toilet on the 1st floor bathroom didnt get clogged up after the massive dump i just took.
Expect the unexpected. Not.......
Good luck to the young fella.
Did he say if he was reclassifying?
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 26, 2014, 08:46:03 AM
Did he say if he was reclassifying?
Just speculation I thought from the "expect the unexpected" tweet.
you just can't turn your back on that excellent education he will receive at UK.
Quote from: ecompt on February 26, 2014, 08:48:46 AM
you just can't turn your back on that excellent education he will receive at UK.
For 2 years..................
Quote from: ecompt on February 26, 2014, 08:48:46 AM
you just can't turn your back on that excellent education he will receive at UK.
I'd have a really tough time turning down that dorm.
I'm starting to have my doubts that we will ever land a top 15 recruit. This kid went to a catholic school in chicago. If we couldn't get him I dont see us ever getting one, as I thought this was our best chance at an out of state kid. Oh well, I still think JJJ is gonna be a stud!!
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 08:54:38 AM
I'd have a really tough time turning down that dorm.
You're saying living in a building built in 1922 and having to walk across the street to eat isn't appealing?
Quote from: ecompt on February 26, 2014, 08:48:46 AM
you just can't turn your back on that excellent education he will receive at UK.
Right, because these guys decide these things based on the education they'll receive.
buzz sees recruiting ceiling at MU. He and his wife start looking into Texas property
Quote from: mubuzz on February 26, 2014, 08:55:12 AM
I'm starting to have my doubts that we will ever land a top 15 recruit. This kid went to a catholic school in chicago. If we couldn't get him I dont see us ever getting one, as I thought this was our best chance at an out of state kid. Oh well, I still think JJJ is gonna be a stud!!
Don't rule out Stone.
Also, could get in early on a guy like Embiid that goes from unranked to expected #1 overall draft pick in a little over a year. The only problem was he blew up a bit too early and the blue bloods got word. You get a guy like that and it starts to become easier. But who could have seen that meteoric rise coming? (aside from me)
Quote from: mubuzz on February 26, 2014, 08:55:12 AM
I'm starting to have my doubts that we will ever land a top 15 recruit. This kid went to a catholic school in chicago. If we couldn't get him I dont see us ever getting one, as I thought this was our best chance at an out of state kid. Oh well, I still think JJJ is gonna be a stud!!
Diamond Stone
If he thinks UK was unexpected, I'm not sure he would have been able to stay eligible at MU.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 26, 2014, 08:55:12 AM
I'm starting to have my doubts that we will ever land a top 15 recruit. This kid went to a catholic school in chicago. If we couldn't get him I dont see us ever getting one, as I thought this was our best chance at an out of state kid. Oh well, I still think JJJ is gonna be a stud!!
The first one is the hardest, but once you get one, more often follow. I'm still optimistic about Stone
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 26, 2014, 08:58:39 AM
Right, because these guys decide these things based on the education they'll receive.
Yes, that is the top priority for the one and done types. It's just that it's the
basketball education that concerns them.
So Calipari waltzes in and dances around Buzz, and we lose the guy. Calipari is shady--have fun Mr. Mathews.
back to recruiting PG's and bigs.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2014, 09:27:35 AM
So Calipari waltzes in and dances around Buzz, and we lose the guy.
Not sure what you mean here. UK was on Matthews for a long time.
Bullseye bros just tweeted that Marquette was his runner up and he knows that for a fact. Ugh.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 26, 2014, 09:28:35 AM
Not sure what you mean here. UK was on Matthews for a long time.
Weren't we also?
Quote from: PTM on February 26, 2014, 08:56:55 AM
You're saying living in a building built in 1922 and having to walk across the street to eat isn't appealing?
What an asinine policy. I sure hope it goes the way of LW and Pliarz.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 26, 2014, 08:55:12 AM
I'm starting to have my doubts that we will ever land a top 15 recruit. This kid went to a catholic school in chicago. If we couldn't get him I dont see us ever getting one, as I thought this was our best chance at an out of state kid. Oh well, I still think JJJ is gonna be a stud!!
Okay, I looked real quick at where the top 20 recruits from each of the last 5 recruiting classes on RSCI end up going to, and unless you're a true "blue blood" program, with some exceptions, it is hard to recruit these types of players. Here's the ranking of schools with the number of their top 20 recruits over the past 5 recruiting cycles (not including the incoming classes for next year):
Kentucky - 19
North Carolina - 6
Arizona - 6
Duke - 6
Kansas - 5
Florida - 5
Texas - 5
Memphis - 4
UCLA - 3
Baylor - 3
Pitt - 3
Indiana - 2
Arkansas - 2
Oklahoma State - 2
Providence - 2
Michigan State - 2
NC State - 2
Syracuse - 2
Washington - 2
Ohio State - 2
Villanova - 2
LSU, UTEP, Cal, UNLV, Wisconsin, Georgia, Oregon, Tennessee, Missouri, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Cincinnati, Oklahoma, Kansas State, UConn and Florida State have all landed one top 20 recruit in the past 5 recruiting cycles.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 26, 2014, 09:29:16 AM
Bullseye bros just tweeted that Marquette was his runner up and he knows that for a fact. Ugh.
So, he's likely to transfer back here, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 26, 2014, 09:36:13 AM
So, he's likely to transfer back here, aina?
Just ask JP Tokoto.
Norm, what would be interesting to see is how many of these are in-state (or local) versus out of state. For instance, Wisconsin's one recruit is Sam Dekker. Let me go out on a limb here and say that if Dekker grew up in California, Wisconsin's not going to get him.
That makes a difference. And probably why we were Matthew's #2 and why we are in it for Stone.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 26, 2014, 09:29:16 AM
Bullseye bros just tweeted that Marquette was his runner up and he knows that for a fact. Ugh.
Could be a good sign if Matthews and Stone were thinking about being a package deal.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 26, 2014, 09:39:31 AM
Norm, what would be interesting to see is how many of these are in-state (or local) versus out of state. For instance, Wisconsin's one recruit is Sam Dekker. Let me go out on a limb here and say that if Dekker grew up in California, Wisconsin's not going to get him.
That makes a difference. And probably why we were Matthew's #2 and why we are in it for Stone.
A lot of the SEC schools' top 20 recruits were from in-state, as well as others. It does help being the home state public university.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 26, 2014, 09:40:34 AM
Could be a good sign if Matthews and Stone were thinking about being a package deal.
Would be an even better sign if Matthews does in fact reclassify.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 26, 2014, 09:29:16 AM
Bullseye bros just tweeted that Marquette was his runner up and he knows that for a fact. Ugh.
Hey, that means that we finished ahead of Michigan State, Kansas, and Illinois. I can't think of when that has ever happened before.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 26, 2014, 08:55:12 AM
I'm starting to have my doubts that we will ever land a top 15 recruit. This kid went to a catholic school in chicago. If we couldn't get him I dont see us ever getting one, as I thought this was our best chance at an out of state kid. Oh well, I still think JJJ is gonna be a stud!!
We will have a very hard time ever getting a kid who has an offer from UK. No classes, no papers to write, 24/7 chef service in a private dorm, perks (cough, cough). Who wouldn't take that?
Quote from: Norm on February 26, 2014, 09:30:52 AM
Okay, I looked real quick at where the top 20 recruits from each of the last 5 recruiting classes on RSCI end up going to, and unless you're a true "blue blood" program, with some exceptions, it is hard to recruit these types of players. Here's the ranking of schools with the number of their top 20 recruits over the past 5 recruiting cycles (not including the incoming classes for next year):
Kentucky - 19
North Carolina - 6
Arizona - 6
Duke - 6
Kansas - 5
Florida - 5
Texas - 5
Memphis - 4
UCLA - 3
Baylor - 3
Pitt - 3
Indiana - 2
Arkansas - 2
Oklahoma State - 2
Providence - 2
Michigan State - 2
NC State - 2
Syracuse - 2
Washington - 2
Ohio State - 2
Villanova - 2
LSU, UTEP, Cal, UNLV, Wisconsin, Georgia, Oregon, Tennessee, Missouri, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Cincinnati, Oklahoma, Kansas State, UConn and Florida State have all landed one top 20 recruit in the past 5 recruiting cycles.
And this also shows that getting top 20 recruits isn't necessary or sufficient for post-season success. MU has done better in recent NCAAs than most of the teams on the list, without getting a single top 20 recruit. Look at Texas - 5 top 20 players, and not a single Sweet Sixteen since 2008. Or Memphis, with 4 top 20s, and its last Sweet Sixteen in 2009.
Not a single player on the list for MU, or Butler, or Wichita State, or VCU....
Don't get me wrong - I'd love for one of these guys (Stone?) to come to MU. But I also think a coach like Buzz can generally do extremely well consistently recruiting guys in the 50-100 range.
Quote from: ecompt on February 26, 2014, 10:11:02 AM
We will have a very hard time ever getting a kid who has an offer from UK. No classes, no papers to write, 24/7 chef service in a private dorm, perks (cough, cough). Who wouldn't take that?
Exactly! It's surprising how many people that don't believe that. Too many perks over there for top recruits. Milwaukee needs to produce its own top recruit then Marquette needs to butter his bread.
He probably wanted to play more than 5-10 MPG as a Freshmen...
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:26:29 AM
He probably wanted to play more than 5-10 MPG as a Freshmen...
I'm confused. Are you stupid enough to believe what you just posted, or are you just saying crap that you know isn't true because you are frustrated that Buzz doesn't evaluate the current freshmens' current level of development the same as you do?
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:26:29 AM
He probably wanted to play more than 5-10 MPG as a Freshmen...
I dont blame him. He is really good.
I wish him well at UK.
Regardless of his decision, there has not been this much excitement over incoming recruits to Marquette in a LONG time. Whether that's the the culture Buzz has created, or the winning success we have experienced, or (most likely) both, blue chip high school basketball players view Marquette as a legitimate landing spot to attend college.
Hard to see how or why anyone could have sour grapes at this point...
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on February 26, 2014, 10:23:51 AM
Exactly! It's surprising how many people that don't believe that. Too many perks over there for top recruits. Milwaukee needs to produce its own top recruit then Marquette needs to butter his bread.
true. Milwaukee do need to start producing top recruits like Looney and Stone
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
I'm confused. Are you stupid enough to believe what you just posted, or are you just saying crap that you know isn't true because you are frustrated that Buzz doesn't evaluate the current freshmens' current level of development the same as you do?
I didn't say anything about Buzz you did..... Remember that... All I said is maybe as the #11 ranked player he actually wants to play as a Freshmen... To some people College is "NOT" a 4 year process and they just want to play a Year or 2 and go pro.... If thats the case then why not go to Memphis, Kentucky or Duke play one and be done... You don't know me from anywhere dont question my personal opinion on the subject you loser..
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
I didn't say anything about Buzz you did..... Remember that... All I said is maybe as the #11 ranked player he actually wants to play as a Freshmen... To some people College is "NOT" a 4 year process and they just want to play a Year or 2 and go pro.... If thats the case then why not go to Memphis, Kentucky or Duke play one and be done... You don't know me from anywhere dont question my personal opinion on the subject you loser..
Your faulty logic is burying you even further. If Matthews is truly a one-and-done talent, he would play huge minutes under Buzz--he doesn't blindly adhere to this 4-year process that you reference.
And if he's not a one-and-done, his minutes will reflect that over the course of his freshman year regardless of where he goes.
Cal, Coach K, and co. are not playing guys based on their high school reputation. That would make them horrendous coaches. Their freshman do get big minutes because they are in fact one-and-done talents.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
I didn't say anything about Buzz you did..... Remember that... All I said is maybe as the #11 ranked player he actually wants to play as a Freshmen... To some people College is "NOT" a 4 year process and they just want to play a Year or 2 and go pro.... If thats the case then why not go to Memphis, Kentucky or Duke play one and be done... You don't know me from anywhere dont question my personal opinion on the subject you loser..
im with u. I understood what u meant
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 26, 2014, 09:39:31 AM
Norm, what would be interesting to see is how many of these are in-state (or local) versus out of state. For instance, Wisconsin's one recruit is Sam Dekker. Let me go out on a limb here and say that if Dekker grew up in California, Wisconsin's not going to get him.
That makes a difference. And probably why we were Matthew's #2 and why we are in it for Stone.
+!
Why do you think Schools like Baylor and Texas are on the list? They are not basketball blue-bloods but are located near top 20 recruits.
My guess is away from the top 5 or 6 true blood-blood programs, the rest of the schools that landed a top 20 kid got one that lived within 150 miles of campus. It matters where you're located relative to where the kids are being produced.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
I didn't say anything about Buzz you did..... Remember that... All I said is maybe as the #11 ranked player he actually wants to play as a Freshmen... To some people College is "NOT" a 4 year process and they just want to play a Year or 2 and go pro.... If thats the case then why not go to Memphis, Kentucky or Duke play one and be done... You don't know me from anywhere dont question my personal opinion on the subject you loser..
You are really thin skinned.
But if you have an idea that Buzz doesn't play freshmen BECAUSE they are freshmen, you indeed don't know very much.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
I didn't say anything about Buzz you did..... Remember that... All I said is maybe as the #11 ranked player he actually wants to play as a Freshmen... To some people College is "NOT" a 4 year process and they just want to play a Year or 2 and go pro.... If thats the case then why not go to Memphis, Kentucky or Duke play one and be done... You don't know me from anywhere dont question my personal opinion on the subject you loser..
Due to your posting frequency, you have become the worst poster this season.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
I didn't say anything about Buzz you did..... Remember that... All I said is maybe as the #11 ranked player he actually wants to play as a Freshmen... To some people College is "NOT" a 4 year process and they just want to play a Year or 2 and go pro.... If thats the case then why not go to Memphis, Kentucky or Duke play one and be done... You don't know me from anywhere dont question my personal opinion on the subject you loser..
Ignorance is not an opinion.
Let's see, a guy whose probably going to start as a freshman at Kentucky you say would only play 5 to 10 minutes at Marquette. And this statement does not say
anything about the head coach of Marquette. Got it.
I know you from your posts here, and I have limited my reaction to those. Outside of the outrageous statement I am responding to, I have no reason to doubt that you are a kind, thoughtful and wonderful human being.
Quote from: PTM on February 26, 2014, 10:53:08 AM
Due to your posting frequency, you have become the worst poster this season.
Hey, stop that. He is a big deal according to the poster who shall not be named.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:26:29 AM
He probably wanted to play more than 5-10 MPG as a Freshmen...
Then he should have came to MU hes "only" the 12th ranked recruit. Kentucky will recruit over him.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 26, 2014, 09:40:34 AM
Could be a good sign if Matthews and Stone were thinking about being a package deal.
If that is what they have been thinking then the reading of the signs would say Stone also goes to Crooktucky.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:26:29 AM
He probably wanted to play more than 5-10 MPG as a Freshmen...
Jeronne Maymon averaged 16.3 mpg as a frosh before he left. Vander Blue averaged 19.0 mpg as a freshman. And Todd Mayo averaged 21.1 mpg as a freshman. Buzz will play freshmen who earn the minutes.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 26, 2014, 11:12:16 AM
Jeronne Maymon averaged 16.3 mpg as a frosh before he left. Vander Blue averaged 19.0 mpg as a freshman. And Todd Mayo averaged 21.1 mpg as a freshman. Buzz will play freshmen who earn the minutes.
Reggie Smith was starting before he left.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 26, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
Reggie Smith was starting before he left.
....but not getting starter's minutes.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 26, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
Reggie Smith was starting before he left.
Yeah for about 3 minutes each half. And that blew up in Buzz's face.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2014, 11:09:56 AM
If that is what they have been thinking then the reading of the signs would say Stone also goes to Crooktucky.
Fact is lots of players say they will do this and almost none of them actually do it. The rarity might by #1 Jahlil Okafor and #4 Tyus Jones conspiring to go to Duke.
Is Matthews texting his good buddy Diamond Stone telling him to join him at UK? Yes. But so is Diamond's close friends Duane Wilson and Detonte Burton about coming to MU.
And remember that Matthews good buddy DJ Williams, from Simeon and a Illini recruit was begging him to go to champaign last night via twitter. How did that work out?
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 11:21:27 AM
....but not getting starter's minutes.
True but we are not sure where that was going as he left.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 26, 2014, 11:27:40 AM
Fact is lots of players say they will do this and almost none of them actually do it. The rarity might by #1 Jahlil Okafor and #4 Tyus Jones conspiring to go to Duke.
Is Matthews texting his good buddy Diamond Stone telling him to join him at UK? Yes. But so is Diamond's close friends Duane Wilson and Detonte Burton about coming to MU.
And remember that Matthews good buddy DJ Williams, from Simeon and a Illini recruit was begging him to go to champaign last night via twitter. How did that work out?
And you know who is texting who..how?
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2014, 11:09:56 AM
If that is what they have been thinking then the reading of the signs would say Stone also goes to Crooktucky.
24/7's crystal ball predictions are made by national recruiting guys and guys who specialize in a particular school. It seems to me that the local guys have better insight on what's happening with the schools they follow. As Sultan pointed out last night, Mark Miller who follows Marquette predicted that Matthews would pick Kentucky.
Two guys who follow Kentucky have made crystal ball predictions for Stone going to Marquette, so Kentucky doesn't have me worried regarding Stone. I think that the "package deal" talk of Stone and Matthews coming to Marquette together started more because they were both rating Marquette highly than that they were necessarily committed to going to school together.
Just noticed that yesterday Evan Flood who follows Wisconsin recruiting picked Stone to go to North Carolina. Good news: it looks like Bucky might be conceding defeat. Bad news: this is the first crystal ball prediction since the first of the year to not go Marquette's way. Is North Carolina coming on strong?
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
And you know who is texting who..how?
tweeting (form of texting) see his twitter account of the other Matthews thread, several posts about it.
Attention current students:
Someone who owns a UK hat needs to post a parody video of the doofballs at Illinois reacting to the Alexander announcement.
Extra points for creative fake-suicides.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 09:50:19 AM
Hey, that means that we finished ahead of Michigan State, Kansas, and Illinois. I can't think of when that has ever happened before.
WE'RE #2
Quote from: RatedR on February 26, 2014, 10:36:14 AM
true. Milwaukee do need to start producing top recruits like Looney and Stone
Now it's time for Marquette to butter his bread like Kentucky would. Offer the perks.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on February 26, 2014, 12:10:52 PM
Now it's time for Marquette to butter his bread like Kentucky would. Offer the perks.
Absolutely not. Marquette should never lower itself to Kentucky's standards. What they do is unethical, illegal, and will eventually get their championships vacated. We are better that. I'm surprised anyone on here would even think to suggest this
Quote from: RatedR on February 26, 2014, 10:45:51 AM
im with u. I understood what u meant
Theres too many clowns to reply to the whole circus. I know what I meant also forget em. They all old and bitter he aint come here so im the target of their replies. Change your Depends take yall vitamins and have a good day.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
I didn't say anything about Buzz you did..... Remember that... All I said is maybe as the #11 ranked player he actually wants to play as a Freshmen... To some people College is "NOT" a 4 year process and they just want to play a Year or 2 and go pro.... If thats the case then why not go to Memphis, Kentucky or Duke play one and be done... You don't know me from anywhere dont question my personal opinion on the subject you loser..
No - just inferred it.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 26, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
Theres too many clowns to reply to the whole circus. I know what I meant also forget em. They all old and bitter he aint come here so im the target of their replies. Change your Depends take yall vitamins and have a good day.
If you don't want to be treated like a child, don't make childish comments.
And no one is coming down in you because we are bitter about Charles Matthews going elsewhere. We are coming down on you for something *you* said.
Either own up to it or step off.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2014, 12:39:40 PM
Absolutely not. Marquette should never lower itself to Kentucky's standards. What they do is unethical, illegal, and will eventually get their championships vacated. We are better that. I'm surprised anyone on here would even think to suggest this
Says who? Cal has proven that if you want to go to the NBA, you play for him. He puts his bench players in the first round of the NBA draft. If I were a top 10 recruit, with the dorm they have there on top of that fact, there's nowhere else I would even consider. Back at UMass when he was an unknown commodity he had to cheat to make it to the top. At Memphis he had to cheat because he was a known cheater. Then he got a job at arguably a top 3 basketball program in the country to go along with his ability to put players in the NBA and he doesn't have a need to cheat. I would be very surprised if Cal was cheating at Kentucky.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on February 26, 2014, 12:10:52 PM
Now it's time for Marquette to butter his bread like Kentucky would. Offer the perks.
So let me get this straight. You are bad mouthing Kentucky because you say they break the rules. But you want MU to break the rules, so.... then you can accuse MU of being cheaters or so you can look the other way?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2014, 12:39:40 PM
Absolutely not. Marquette should never lower itself to Kentucky's standards. What they do is unethical, illegal, and will eventually get their championships vacated. We are better that. I'm surprised anyone on here would even think to suggest this
Sadly, I'm not surprised.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 26, 2014, 12:44:03 PM
If you don't want to be treated like a child, don't make childish comments.
And no one is coming down in you because we are bitter about Charles Matthews going elsewhere. We are coming down on you for something *you* said.
Either own up to it or step off.
Sultan - he has a great grasp of the proper usage of the English language, though ;D
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Says who? Cal has proven that if you want to go to the NBA, you play for him. He puts his bench players in the first round of the NBA draft. If I were a top 10 recruit, with the dorm they have there on top of that fact, there's nowhere else I would even consider. Back at UMass when he was an unknown commodity he had to cheat to make it to the top. At Memphis he had to cheat because he was a known cheater. Then he got a job at arguably a top 3 basketball program in the country to go along with his ability to put players in the NBA and he doesn't have a need to cheat. I would be very surprised if Cal was cheating at Kentucky.
"He had to cheat because he was a known cheater" Sound logic there.
Is Kentucky paying the luxury tax again next year?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Says who? Cal has proven that if you want to go to the NBA, you play for him. He puts his bench players in the first round of the NBA draft. If I were a top 10 recruit, with the dorm they have there on top of that fact, there's nowhere else I would even consider. Back at UMass when he was an unknown commodity he had to cheat to make it to the top. At Memphis he had to cheat because he was a known cheater. Then he got a job at arguably a top 3 basketball program in the country to go along with his ability to put players in the NBA and he doesn't have a need to cheat. I would be very surprised if Cal was cheating at Kentucky.
Guarantee that Cal doesn't require any of his players to go to class. At a University the size of Kentucky, you can hide players in joke classes. You can also offer "Sports Management" majors that are only available to athletes and the coaches are the professors.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 26, 2014, 11:12:16 AM
Jeronne Maymon averaged 16.3 mpg as a frosh before he left. Vander Blue averaged 19.0 mpg as a freshman. And Todd Mayo averaged 21.1 mpg as a freshman. Buzz will play freshmen who earn the minutes.
Not apples to apples comparison....in that Buzz was really short on his guys at the time Maymon and Blue came...not a lot of "program guys" in the program...cupboard was bare after Crean left and Big 3 were gone.
Buzz has said that he prefers playing upperclassmen to freshman recently...or is partial to upperclassmen...wish I could remember where that was said..as I'd link it...but know he said it.
As for Blue's freshman year...can anyone say his on court performance warranted as many minutes as he got...he looked totally overmatched, especially once Big East play rolled around...then again, perhaps there is that notion of Buzz not having a better option..as has been debated here ad nasuem with regard to PG situation.
Quote from: muwarrior97 on February 26, 2014, 12:56:57 PM
Is Kentucky paying the luxury tax again next year?
They'll have to. They've already used their exemption.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Says who? Cal has proven that if you want to go to the NBA, you play for him. He puts his bench players in the first round of the NBA draft. If I were a top 10 recruit, with the dorm they have there on top of that fact, there's nowhere else I would even consider. Back at UMass when he was an unknown commodity he had to cheat to make it to the top. At Memphis he had to cheat because he was a known cheater. Then he got a job at arguably a top 3 basketball program in the country to go along with his ability to put players in the NBA and he doesn't have a need to cheat. I would be very surprised if Cal was cheating at Kentucky.
What did he do at UMass? I thought the issue there was Camby taking cash from an agent.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 26, 2014, 01:24:36 PM
What did he do at UMass? I thought the issue there was Camby taking cash from an agent.
Wherever this guy goes, shady things happen. Even if he did not do it all, he must have known about a lot, and he created the atmosphere. Wouldn't be surprised if Shady has lots of buffers, just like the Corleone family. And somebody to take the fall for him.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 26, 2014, 12:05:19 PM
WE'RE #2
Hey, it's on the road to number 1.
BTW, what are you doing here? You're needed over at the "How many coaches?....." thread.
Luke, Frazier, Spychalla, and Ostrand were all in "Individual and Dual Sports" with me at MU.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 26, 2014, 01:37:16 PM
Hey, it's on the road to number 1.
BTW, what are you doing here? You're needed over at the "How many coaches?....." thread.
I'll get right on it, Boss.
Quote from: Ners on February 26, 2014, 01:01:23 PM
Not apples to apples comparison....in that Buzz was really short on his guys at the time Maymon and Blue came...not a lot of "program guys" in the program...cupboard was bare after Crean left and Big 3 were gone.
Buzz has said that he prefers playing upperclassmen to freshman recently...or is partial to upperclassmen...wish I could remember where that was said..as I'd link it...but know he said it.
As for Blue's freshman year...can anyone say his on court performance warranted as many minutes as he got...he looked totally overmatched, especially once Big East play rolled around...then again, perhaps there is that notion of Buzz not having a better option..as has been debated here ad nasuem with regard to PG situation.
I remember being frustrated with Blue his freshman year (I had supremely high expectations), but only on the offensive end. I remember Blue being an outstanding defender from day one and this may be the reason he logged so many minutes.
Quote from: Ners on February 26, 2014, 01:01:23 PM
Not apples to apples comparison....in that Buzz was really short on his guys at the time Maymon and Blue came...not a lot of "program guys" in the program...cupboard was bare after Crean left and Big 3 were gone.
Maymon perhaps, but not Blue. In Blue's freshman season, we had Junior, Buycks and DJO. Still, Buzz managed to find 19 mpg for Vander, in addition to almost 10 mpg for fellow frosh Reggie Smith. The backcourt was hardly bare that season.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on February 26, 2014, 02:35:37 PM
I remember being frustrated with Blue his freshman year (I had supremely high expectations), but only on the offensive end. I remember Blue being an outstanding defender from day one and this may be the reason he logged so many minutes.
It was exactly the reason he logged so many minutes.
Here is what Luke Winn said about Blue when he played for USA basketball before even coming to Marquette.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/luke_winn/07/02/rivers.notes/
There is a reason he played so much.
Charles Matthews to UK? The sun will come up tomorrow, it will be brutally freakin cold and the MU basketball program will continue. Thankfully, we have JJJ and Ahmed Hill to soften the blow.
Thought we had a million dollar per year assistant coach who would lock in the top Chicago recruits.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 26, 2014, 07:44:19 PM
Thought we had a million dollar per year assistant coach who would lock in the top Chicago recruits.
If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have been in the top 5, and we wouldn't have landed Ahmed Hill.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 26, 2014, 07:50:25 PM
If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have been in the top 5, and we wouldn't have landed Ahmed Hill.
and Malek Harris
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Says who? Cal has proven that if you want to go to the NBA, you play for him. He puts his bench players in the first round of the NBA draft. If I were a top 10 recruit, with the dorm they have there on top of that fact, there's nowhere else I would even consider. Back at UMass when he was an unknown commodity he had to cheat to make it to the top. At Memphis he had to cheat because he was a known cheater. Then he got a job at arguably a top 3 basketball program in the country to go along with his ability to put players in the NBA and he doesn't have a need to cheat. I would be very surprised if Cal was cheating at Kentucky.
Cal cheats everywhere he goes. From buying players cars (DeJuan Wagner at Memphis) to having people take his players' ACTs, he is the scum of the coaching profession. A complete and utter sleazebag.
Sounds like Cals players love him, he loves his players, and he keeps them out of trouble. Doesnt sound like a bad guy to me.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 26, 2014, 07:44:19 PM
Thought we had a million dollar per year assistant coach who would lock in the top Chicago recruits.
I'm really glad that Chew is on our staff and he's already paid dividends with the recruits that others have mentioned, but wasn't he supposed to have ties to St. Louis and KC? There's some good ball players down there and I haven't seen us being mentioned with any of them.
If that means we get the Ahmed Hill's of the world over a guy from the Lou than I'm all for it but geographically I thought that was his strong spot (plus Chicago).
No Chew is from Chicago. He was at Murray State for a number of years where he is credited for recruiting much of the players that they had on that team that MU knocked out a couple years ago. He spent on year at Missouri, and then joined Illinois' staff briefly before coming to Marquette.
Quote from: ecompt on February 27, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
Cal cheats everywhere he goes. From buying players cars (DeJuan Wagner at Memphis) to having people take his players' ACTs, he is the scum of the coaching profession. A complete and utter sleazebag.
And you have proof? Or something close to it?
I don't believe he was ever accused of either of these except by fans from other schools. But if you have some proof, I would gladly change my mind.
Not disputing that he is a sleazebag.
Quote from: brandx on February 27, 2014, 09:44:06 AM
And you have proof? Or something close to it?
I don't believe he was ever accused of either of these except by fans from other schools. But if you have some proof, I would gladly change my mind.
Not disputing that he is a sleazebag.
He has plausible deniability for his vacated Final Four at UMASS - it's certainly possible he was unaware that Marcus Camby took money from an agent. Hard to imagine he didn't know about the arrangement to have someone take Derrick Rose's ACT for him, though, so the vacated season/FF at Memphis is more problematic. Put those in a blender with his close ties to World Wide Wes and his employment at a university where winning at all costs is accepted and you have a pretty powerful and suspicious cocktail. His brand is so powerful now he may not have to cheat anymore - but believing he arrived there honestly requires a great deal of naïveté. When Chicos asserts that Cal goes to Mass daily it brings to mind the scene from The Godfather II where one of Michael's kids is baptized while his soldiers (assistant coaches?) are assassinating his competition.
Quote from: swoopem on February 27, 2014, 09:23:57 AM
I'm really glad that Chew is on our staff and he's already paid dividends with the recruits that others have mentioned, but wasn't he supposed to have ties to St. Louis and KC? There's some good ball players down there and I haven't seen us being mentioned with any of them.
We have offered and are in on Jayson Tatum. A concensus top 10 2016 SF recruit.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 27, 2014, 12:11:18 PM
We have offered and are in on Jayson Tatum. A concensus top 10 2016 SF recruit.
Is Kentucky in on him as well? Hopefully not! I wonder if we were having a great season this year if it would have impacted Matthews decision at all?
It didn't impact Kentucky's 2013 class.
Quote from: ecompt on February 27, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
Cal cheats everywhere he goes. From buying players cars (DeJuan Wagner at Memphis) to having people take his players' ACTs, he is the scum of the coaching profession. A complete and utter sleazebag.
I'm for players getting paid so I have no problem with players receiving cars, but not having to do the school work doesn't sit well for some reason.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on February 27, 2014, 12:50:47 PM
not having to do the school work doesn't sit well for some reason.
That's what Engineers say about Biz Adders...
Quote from: ecompt on February 27, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
Cal cheats everywhere he goes. From buying players cars (DeJuan Wagner at Memphis) to having people take his players' ACTs, he is the scum of the coaching profession. A complete and utter sleazebag.
But how do you feel about
male models?
Quote from: mubuzz on February 27, 2014, 12:17:00 PM
Is Kentucky in on him as well? Hopefully not! I wonder if we were having a great season this year if it would have impacted Matthews decision at all?
Kentucky is in a position that they don't worry about 2016 players. I feel that even tho MU is the leader for Stone right now, Kentucky is still the favorite to land him. They will start their push for him in the summer. They don't have to develop "relationships" when recruiting like other schools do. they find guys who want to get to the NBA as soon as possible and let them know that they will have the best opportunity at Kentucky.
Quote from: brandx on February 27, 2014, 01:28:27 PM
Kentucky is in a position that they don't worry about 2016 players. I feel that even tho MU is the leader for Stone right now, Kentucky is still the favorite to land him. They will start their push for him in the summer. They don't have to develop "relationships" when recruiting like other schools do. they find guys who want to get to the NBA as soon as possible and let them know that they will have the best opportunity at Kentucky.
I agree that they don't worry about future recruits that far in advance. It is however kind of disheartening that they don't have to put in the work of other teams and are just able to swoop in. I guess it is what it is and that's what we have to deal with. They are my most hated team like the Yankees in baseball!
Quote from: mubuzz on February 27, 2014, 01:36:05 PM
I agree that they don't worry about future recruits that far in advance. It is however kind of disheartening that they don't have to put in the work of other teams and are just able to swoop in. I guess it is what it is and that's what we have to deal with. They are my most hated team like the Yankees in baseball!
+1 And nothing bugs me more than hearing how hard of a job the Yankees GM has.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 27, 2014, 01:36:05 PM
I agree that they don't worry about future recruits that far in advance. It is however kind of disheartening that they don't have to put in the work of other teams and are just able to swoop in. I guess it is what it is and that's what we have to deal with. They are my most hated team like the Yankees in baseball!
It's the American way! The rich get richer. ;)
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 27, 2014, 02:06:29 PM
It's the American way! The rich get richer. ;)
Mainly because most poor won't change their bad habits (overspending, low or no goals, etc.)
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on February 27, 2014, 02:34:57 PM
Mainly because most poor won't change their bad habits (overspending, low or no goals, etc.)
The Yankees got $85 million in TV rights fees in 2013, with a 5% increase annually in that rate for 30 years. That means that by 2042, the club will be making $367 million per year just to have their games shown on TV.
the Brewers got about $12 mil. in 2013. $85mil to $12 mil and you chalk that up to the Brewers bad habits and lack of goals?
Ridiculous statement!!!!!!
Quote from: keefe on February 27, 2014, 12:52:27 PM
That's what Engineers say about Biz Adders...
We've got jobs, we've got jobs
Working for us, working for us.
Quote from: brandx on February 27, 2014, 03:00:53 PM
The Yankees got $85 million in TV rights fees in 2013, with a 5% increase annually in that rate for 30 years. That means that by 2042, the club will be making $367 million per year just to have their games shown on TV.
the Brewers got about $12 mil. in 2013. $85mil to $12 mil and you chalk that up to the Brewers bad habits and lack of goals?
Ridiculous statement!!!!!!
Was speaking more to rich people as a whole and why the poor stay poor, not the Yankees specifically.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on February 27, 2014, 03:55:01 PM
Was speaking more to rich people as a whole and why the poor stay poor, not the Yankees specifically.
You're right - sometimes that is the case. Many other times, it is because middle to upper class kids have so many more opportunities than those living in poverty from the time they are born.
But when given an equal opportunity, as they generally are in sports, we see the poor succeed quite a bit more often than those that aren't born poor.
Quote from: windyplayer on February 27, 2014, 01:00:32 PM
But how do you feel about male models?
They worked well for Norman Rockwell.
Quote from: brandx on February 27, 2014, 04:07:14 PM
You're right - sometimes that is the case. Many other times, it is because middle to upper class kids have so many more opportunities than those living in poverty from the time they are born.
But when given an equal opportunity, as they generally are in sports, we see the poor succeed quite a bit more often than those that aren't born poor.
This sounds anecdotal....especially without the definition of succeed, poor, etc
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on February 27, 2014, 02:34:57 PM
Mainly because most poor won't change their bad habits (overspending, low or no goals, etc.)
Holy Crap. Welcome to MUSCOOP.fox
Quote from: mu-rara on February 27, 2014, 03:04:06 PM
We've got jobs, we've got jobs
Working for us, working for us.
Ha, you must be an '83 alum!
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on February 27, 2014, 07:35:43 PM
Holy Crap. Welcome to MUSCOOP.fox
well this thread certainly went in a different direction...
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on February 27, 2014, 02:34:57 PM
Mainly because most poor won't change their bad habits (overspending, low or no goals, etc.)
The poor! Those bastards!