Brian Wardle and UW-Green Bay clinched the Horizon League regular season championship tonight by beating Valparaiso. Great story for Wardle, who faced some unflattering allegations in the off-season. He's really helped elevate their program in his 4th year. They are 21-5 this season.
Wardle to DePaul!!
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 20, 2014, 10:07:15 PM
Wardle to DePaul!!
FWIW, Wardle has as many Chicago kids on UW-Green Bay than Oliver Purnell does on DePaul (5). He's only 34, but he could offer a ton of youthful energy that the program is clearly lacking.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 20, 2014, 10:13:26 PM
FWIW, Wardle has as many Chicago kids on UW-Green Bay than Oliver Purnell does on DePaul (5). He's only 34, but he could offer a ton of youthful energy that the program is clearly lacking.
But until they replace their AD, DePaul is where head coach's careers go to die.
Relax. Gotta wait until at least year 5 to make any sort of evaluation. Respect the process.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on February 20, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
But until they replace their AD, DePaul is where head coach's careers go to die.
+100000
Quote from: wadesworld on February 20, 2014, 10:31:16 PM
Relax. Gotta wait until at least year 5 to make any sort of evaluation. Respect the process.
How many people here thought he should be fired last year as a result of all the rumors and allegations floating around?
His career record coming into this year, 47-48. He took over a team that went to the post season the year prior. I'm not quite ready to anoint him yet, though I surely hope he continues to do well.
Wardle is having a classic jump ship for another program year. Not gonna be a BCS conference (my apologies for the terminology) but maybe find a nice A10 or CUSA program to coach. Maybe something like a Dusquense. Ferry certainly hasn't done anything for them in two years.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 21, 2014, 01:20:08 AM
Wardle is having a classic jump ship for another program year. Not gonna be a BCS conference (my apologies for the terminology) but maybe find a nice A10 or CUSA program to coach. Maybe something like a Dusquense. Ferry certainly hasn't done anything for them in two years.
I think it will be very interesting how things go for him. He could have easily been canned last year based on the allegations, but the university didn't do that. Some would argue they stood by him. Does he owe them something?
On the other side, will some schools steer clear because of the allegations?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2014, 01:29:29 AM
I think it will be very interesting how things go for him. He could have easily been canned last year based on the allegations, but the university didn't do that. Some would argue they stood by him. Does he owe them something?
On the other side, will some schools steer clear because of the allegations?
It's not like a Rice situation where there was substantial damning evidence out there. If I recall correctly, the whole issue turned into much ado about nothing.
I am sure that the schools will go through an extensive vetting process and make their own judgment. Schools are hungry for an up-and-comer coach and he doesn't show that many red flags. I don't expect the interest levels to suffer too much based on what transpired this past summer.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 21, 2014, 03:09:35 AM
It's not like a Rice situation where there was substantial damning evidence out there. If I recall correctly, the whole issue turned into much ado about nothing.
I am sure that the schools will go through an extensive vetting process and make their own judgment. Schools are hungry for an up-and-comer coach and he doesn't show that many red flags. I don't expect the interest levels to suffer too much based on what transpired this past summer.
He was "largely cleared", but not completely. A discplinary letter was placed in his personnel file and he was assigned an "adviser" to help him manage how he motivated players. Don't get me wrong, I think most of the complaints were absurd, but also can't help but think it will make some schools take pause, especially so quickly on the heels of the investigation.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130524/green-bay-brian-wardle/
"At least one player had accused Wardle of using vulgar and obscene language, and a second player told officials Wardle forced him to work out until the player lost control of his bowels and then ridiculed him."
Not sure which is more shameful - crying about the language or shi tting yourself. Either way I keep it to myself. But what's truly reprehensible is that the two players had their mothers go public with the complaints.
I've been on training runs so intense guys are puking without breaking stride but we take pride in meeting the test and not letting your buddies down. To me that is the essence of team work.
How long would Lombardi last today?
Quote from: keefe on February 21, 2014, 04:47:40 AM
"At least one player had accused Wardle of using vulgar and obscene language, and a second player told officials Wardle forced him to work out until the player lost control of his bowels and then ridiculed him."
Not sure which is more shameful - crying about the language or shi tting yourself. Either way I keep it to myself. But what's truly reprehensible is that the two players had their mothers go public with the complaints.
I've been on training runs so intense guys are puking without breaking stride but we take pride in meeting the test and not letting your buddies down. To me that is the essence of team work.
How long would Lombardi last today?
+1 or RMK.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2014, 12:59:02 AM
His career record coming into this year, 47-48.
Check out Coach K's record his first 3 years at Duke. He might not have made it to Year 4 in today's Win Or Else environment.
I have my doubts that DePaul would hire a coach with a Marquette background.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 21, 2014, 08:43:01 AM
I have my doubts that DePaul would hire a coach with a Marquette background.
I have my doubts that DePaul would hire a coach with a basketball background.
Quote from: keefe on February 21, 2014, 04:47:40 AM
How long would Lombardi last today?
The pussification of America....tag, you're it (wait, are we allowed to play tag anymore in the States)?
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2014, 08:23:50 AM
Check out Coach K's record his first 3 years at Duke. He might not have made it to Year 4 in today's Win Or Else environment.
Oh believe me, I know it well. One of the examples I often gave about waiting 5 years to FULLY evaluate a coach. Many many examples like this...and to be fair, many examples of coaches that had very good records the first 3 even 4 years and then the other way it goes. Mike Deane is an example.
This is why I'll always wait 5 years to fully judge. I hope Brian does extremely well. My guess is some, because of where we are as a nation in a PC world, will have some hesitations not to jump to him....his first 3 year record and the issues of last year. Becomes a risky hire from a timing perspective. If he continues a few more years, puts some time between last year between him, his options likely improve. IMO
Quote from: keefe on February 21, 2014, 04:47:40 AM
"At least one player had accused Wardle of using vulgar and obscene language, and a second player told officials Wardle forced him to work out until the player lost control of his bowels and then ridiculed him."
Not sure which is more shameful - crying about the language or shi tting yourself. Either way I keep it to myself. But what's truly reprehensible is that the two players had their mothers go public with the complaints.
I've been on training runs so intense guys are puking without breaking stride but we take pride in meeting the test and not letting your buddies down. To me that is the essence of team work.
How long would Lombardi last today?
Lombardi would be just fine today.
Wardle's behavior has been reviewed in depth more than 99.5% of division one coaches. He was cleared of all allegations except for usings some swear words. I challenge all posters who have used swear words at work to stop posting immediately. :o
The team chemistry this season proves that all GB needed with Wardle is to let some bad apples leave the program and take their helicopter parents with them. The corps of players stood behind Wardle. Dick Bennett stepped up and helped Wardle. The record this season vindicates Wardle and underlines the level of BS he received with two players who had serious maturity and emotional issues.
Ironically I think the BS thrown Wardle's way made him a better coach and brought the team together.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
The pussification of America....tag, you're it (wait, are we allowed to play tag anymore in the States)?
Yes, but there must be a diverse representation and each person must receive a participation award.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
The pussification of America....tag, you're it (wait, are we allowed to play tag anymore in the States)?
Tell me about it. I look at the guys in my classes and at bars and my dates and they are bunch of hairy wet cats. All 'Sensitive'. I know I could beat the crap out of half of them. And that is even giving up the first punch advantage that I have being a girl. Don't even get me started on their pc politics. I really can't wait to graduate and get back home south.
Is there a person in America that wouldn't mock a college aged person for defecating in his pants?
Guilty as charged!
Quote from: melissasmooth on February 21, 2014, 09:06:42 AM
Tell me about it. I look at the guys in my classes and at bars and my dates and they are bunch of hairy wet cats. All 'Sensitive'. I know I could beat the crap out of half of them. And that is even giving up the first punch advantage that I have being a girl. Don't even get me started on their pc politics. I really can't wait to graduate and get back home south.
This post is so funny for so many different reasons.
Quote from: keefe on February 21, 2014, 04:47:40 AM
"At least one player had accused Wardle of using vulgar and obscene language, and a second player told officials Wardle forced him to work out until the player lost control of his bowels and then ridiculed him."
Not sure which is more shameful - crying about the language or shi tting yourself. Either way I keep it to myself. But what's truly reprehensible is that the two players had their mothers go public with the complaints.
I've been on training runs so intense guys are puking without breaking stride but we take pride in meeting the test and not letting your buddies down. To me that is the essence of team work.
How long would Lombardi last today?
There's a big difference between military requirements and a coach not letting you go to the bathroom.
Quote from: LAZER on February 21, 2014, 09:14:46 AM
This post is so funny for so many different reasons.
Indeed
Quote from: melissasmooth on February 21, 2014, 09:06:42 AM
Tell me about it. I look at the guys in my classes and at bars and my dates and they are bunch of hairy wet cats. All 'Sensitive'. I know I could beat the crap out of half of them. And that is even giving up the first punch advantage that I have being a girl. Don't even get me started on their pc politics. I really can't wait to graduate and get back home south.
All by design
Quote from: melissasmooth on February 21, 2014, 09:06:42 AM
Tell me about it. I look at the guys in my classes and at bars and my dates and they are bunch of hairy wet cats. All 'Sensitive'. I know I could beat the crap out of half of them. And that is even giving up the first punch advantage that I have being a girl. Don't even get me started on their pc politics. I really can't wait to graduate and get back home south.
Southern belle, eh?
Quote from: melissasmooth on February 21, 2014, 09:06:42 AM
Tell me about it. I look at the guys in my classes and at bars and my dates and they are bunch of hairy wet cats. All 'Sensitive'. I know I could beat the crap out of half of them. And that is even giving up the first punch advantage that I have being a girl. Don't even get me started on their pc politics. I really can't wait to graduate and get back home south.
Any chance you could go home now?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
The pussification of America....tag, you're it (wait, are we allowed to play tag anymore in the States)?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kqZXUyvnJZ0/UVYcWdK4UnI/AAAAAAAAf5c/JsquC41KIPc/s400/mcnabb.gif)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
The pussification of America....tag, you're it (wait, are we allowed to play tag anymore in the States)?
Nah, can't make physical contact with anyone.
Quote from: melissasmooth on February 21, 2014, 09:06:42 AM
Tell me about it. I look at the guys in my classes and at bars and my dates and they are bunch of hairy wet cats. All 'Sensitive'. I know I could beat the crap out of half of them. And that is even giving up the first punch advantage that I have being a girl. Don't even get me started on their pc politics. I really can't wait to graduate and get back home south.
So, you enjoy being the aggressor?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
The pussification of America....tag, you're it (wait, are we allowed to play tag anymore in the States)?
Inappropriate touching.
Quote from: melissasmooth on February 21, 2014, 12:15:06 PM
yeah
Southern belles are great. Not sure why I didn't go to an SEC school and scoop one up to bring back to the Midwest. Although Texas is the best...
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2014, 12:52:04 PM
Southern belles are great. Not sure why I didn't go to an SEC school and scoop one up to bring back to the Midwest. Although Texas is the best...
Well, my dad went to Marquette and we have some family here, so I ended up here. I do like Marquette.
Quote from: melissasmooth on February 21, 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Well, my dad went to Marquette and we have some family here, so I ended up here. I do like Marquette.
I wouldn't have guessed that.
Quote from: melissasmooth on February 21, 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Well, my dad went to Marquette and we have some family here, so I ended up here. I do like Marquette.
It sound like you like Marquette, just not the people.
Wardle to DePaul makes sense.
But it'd also make me hate DePaul less.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 21, 2014, 09:19:17 AM
There's a big difference between military requirements and a coach not letting you go to the bathroom.
Yes, a hugh difference. If the basketball player ignores the coach and goes to the bathroom, he may get suspended or yelled at, etc. But the coach is not going to stop him. If the military guy doesn't listen he will get his in a number of worse ways and may even end up locked up behind bars, etc.
Quote from: GOO on February 21, 2014, 01:13:08 PM
It sound like you like Marquette, just not the people.
Depends on if i'm in a pissy mood and what time of day :) I have a lot of great friends here, friends I hope to have for a long time.
Might be drinkin' alone time, aina?
Quote from: Aughnanure on February 21, 2014, 10:58:19 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kqZXUyvnJZ0/UVYcWdK4UnI/AAAAAAAAf5c/JsquC41KIPc/s400/mcnabb.gif)
That's racist
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
The pussification of America....tag, you're it (wait, are we allowed to play tag anymore in the States)?
Never
Enforce
Accountability
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 21, 2014, 09:10:52 AM
Is there a person in America that wouldn't mock a college aged person for defecating in his pants?
Guilty as charged!
A man soiling himself is a feat that must be celebrated
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_w-TVCo8WTGo/S8HbSdARxNI/AAAAAAAAAaU/oqseDKuZDy0/s1600/marathon+runner+craps+himself.jpg)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
The pussification of America....tag, you're it (wait, are we allowed to play tag anymore in the States)?
No, singling out one person to make "it" is bullying.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 21, 2014, 09:19:17 AM
There's a big difference between military requirements and a coach not letting you go to the bathroom.
But there is NO difference in team building and jelling as a unit. I think anyone belonging to a team should be motivated by group and not personal requirements.
Quote from: keefe on February 21, 2014, 01:36:02 PM
A man soiling himself is a feat that must be celebrated
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_w-TVCo8WTGo/S8HbSdARxNI/AAAAAAAAAaU/oqseDKuZDy0/s1600/marathon+runner+craps+himself.jpg)
Kid I know failed to qualify for the Boston Marathon because she stopped to pee. Asked her if she learned her lesson and would pee down her leg the next time. She would never pee down her leg on purpose. Need to show her this picture.
Quote from: chapman on February 21, 2014, 01:42:48 PM
No, singling out one person to make "it" is bullying.
Damn, you are right...good catch
Quote from: keefe on February 21, 2014, 01:36:02 PM
A man soiling himself is a feat that must be celebrated
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_w-TVCo8WTGo/S8HbSdARxNI/AAAAAAAAAaU/oqseDKuZDy0/s1600/marathon+runner+craps+himself.jpg)
In high school my cross country was at sectional. One of the better kids on my team did this during the race then passed about 20 kids to qualify for the state meet.
Must have been his inspiration.
Quote from: weareMU13 on February 21, 2014, 02:40:09 PM
In high school my cross country was at sectional. One of the better kids on my team did this during the race then passed about 20 kids to qualify for the state meet.
Must have been his inspiration.
"Oh no, I just crapped my pants... I had better win or I will never hear the end of this."
Quote from: TheTulsaWarrior on February 21, 2014, 09:03:46 AM
I challenge all posters who have used swear words at work to stop posting immediately.
Those who don't curse are the rare exception in my "work place".
Quote from: MUSF on February 21, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
Those who don't curse are the rare exception in my "work place".
One rarely hears such filth from our men in uniform.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2014, 12:52:04 PM
Southern belles are great. Not sure why I didn't go to an SEC school and scoop one up to bring back to the Midwest. Although Texas is the best...
God bless Texas. A Texas 4 is a Milwaukee 9
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 21, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
Lombardi would be just fine today.
One of the first books I read was Jerry Kramer's Instant Replay, his first hand account of the 1967 Packers. Lombardi negotiated player contracts. Player shows up with his agent and Lombardi excuses himself. 20 minutes later he returns and asks the player why he is in his office because he now plays for the NY Giants.
Lombardi likely would have accommodated societal changes - he was in the vanguard of racial equality in sports - but his methods of player management would not work today. I think Lombardi would struggle.
Quote from: mu-rara on February 21, 2014, 01:49:24 PM
Kid I know failed to qualify for the Boston Marathon because she stopped to pee. Asked her if she learned her lesson and would pee down her leg the next time. She would never pee down her leg on purpose. Need to show her this picture.
I have run in a few different marathons and am amazed at how so many women will pull over and squat. The starting line at the Marine Corps Marathon was like an outdoor toilet.
I have never had the urge or need while running in a timed event but I did once while visiting a buddy stationed at Yokosuka Naval Base. I missed the last train back to Tokyo so we stayed up late on his porch drinking. I had prepared for the eventuality of bunking with him so I had thrown some work out gear into my helmet bag as there is a great running course along the carrier pier.
I was really hung over the next morning and once I started running that rot gut feeling from too much Kirin hit me like a freight train. I saw the Base Admin building so I ran straight into the head right in the lobby. I was perched on the toilet, face beaded in sweat, feeling sorry for having such a bear of a hangover when the door opened and in walked 2 women. They took the stalls on either side of mine and continued their conversation over me. A quick survey of the stall confirmed I was in wrong latrine.
My hairy legs were visible beneath the partition so I raised them up and tried to wait out their duties. It's the only time I have been covert behind enemy lines and I am amazed at how much noise women make as well as how they engage in the most inane conversation while snapping one off. I was contorted in a ridiculous position as they seemed to take forever; Rome was built faster than their morning constitutional.
Finally, after an eternity, they departed the pattern and I hurriedly cleaned up and bolted. As I look back on that ordeal I take away two crucial lessons:
1. Always follow a proper flight plan and maintain situational awareness so you end up at the correct destination
2. Women are neither the delicate creatures they portray themselves to be nor as we wish to see them
Quote from: keefe on February 22, 2014, 03:21:42 AM
I have run in a few different marathons and am amazed at how so many women will pull over and squat. The starting line at the Marine Corps Marathon was like an outdoor toilet.
I have never had the urge or need while running in a timed event but I did once while visiting a buddy stationed at Yokosuka Naval Base. I missed the last train back to Tokyo so we stayed up late on his porch drinking. I had prepared for the eventuality of bunking with him so I had thrown some work out gear into my helmet bag as there is a great running course along the carrier pier.
I was really hung over the next morning and once I started running that rot gut feeling from too much Kirin hit me like a freight train. I saw the Base Admin building so I ran straight into the head right in the lobby. I was perched on the toilet, face beaded in sweat, feeling sorry for having such a bear of a hangover when the door opened and in walked 2 women. They took the stalls on either side of mine and continued their conversation over me. A quick survey of the stall confirmed I was in wrong latrine.
My hairy legs were visible beneath the partition so I raised them up and tried to wait out their duties. It's the only time I have been covert behind enemy lines and I am amazed at how much noise women make as well as how they engage in the most inane conversation while snapping one off. I was contorted in a ridiculous position as they seemed to take forever; Rome was built faster than their morning constitutional.
Finally, after an eternity, they departed the pattern and I hurriedly cleaned up and bolted. As I look back on that ordeal I take away two crucial lessons:
1. Always follow a proper flight plan and maintain situational awareness so you end up at the correct destination
2. Women are neither the delicate creatures they portray themselves to be nor as we wish to see them
Keefe, this won't be as eloquent as your story....
How many of us have walked into Superamerica to pinch off a turtlehead, only to find the men's room locked, and the ladies room open? You will get the funniest looks from the gal waiting for the ladies open.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 22, 2014, 03:48:37 AM
Keefe, this won't be as eloquent as your story....
How many of us have walked into Superamerica to pinch off a turtlehead, only to find the men's room locked, and the ladies room open? You will get the funniest looks from the gal waiting for the ladies open.
I had the reverse situation this past week at a Bellevue Starbucks that has a unisex head. I had to take a squirt but found the door locked. Normally I'll return to my seat but there had been a lot of traffic so I waited at the door. I could hear muffled noises then finally the roar of the flush. At this point my back teeth were floating and I could barely contain myself.
The door finally opened and an elegantly attired woman was startled to see someone waiting. Her face flushed and I thought her expression odd until I entered the latrine. A wave of stench washed over me that would gag a maggot. I was immediately light headed as my eyes watered then felt my knees begin to buckle. I knew that the best course of action was to egress the toxic atmosphere but the insistent thrum of a full bladder left me conflicted and confused.
As I regained control of my faculties I took a deep breath and pressed on to the target. As I peered into the cylinder I was horrified to see the white porcelain field badly scarred by a full 360 degree agate swirl of earthen hues. Jackson Pollack would have been proud to sign his name beneath the Kohler stamp.
As my torrent began to mar the symmetry of the previous occupant's brush strokes I could feel my starving lungs begin to cry out for relief. The only question was if
oxygen deprivation would require yet another draw of the noxious air. Finally, blessedly, my stream became a trickle and I was able to depart the pattern battered but alive.
Never could understand those who found the urge to make bacon in the public chithole. Gotta be a better, more aromatic alternative, hey?
Quote from: keefe on February 21, 2014, 04:47:40 AM
"At least one player had accused Wardle of using vulgar and obscene language, and a second player told officials Wardle forced him to work out until the player lost control of his bowels and then ridiculed him."
Not sure which is more shameful - crying about the language or shi tting yourself. Either way I keep it to myself. But what's truly reprehensible is that the two players had their mothers go public with the complaints.
I've been on training runs so intense guys are puking without breaking stride but we take pride in meeting the test and not letting your buddies down. To me that is the essence of team work.
How long would Lombardi last today?
I have no idea if any of the allegations are true, but if so, I disagree with this, or at least put a caveat on it. If you're going to justify a coach's forcing his player to run till he shits himself by comparing him to the military or pro football, you've gotta pay the players with something other than Phil 50.
Quote from: MUBurrow on February 22, 2014, 09:59:18 AM
I have no idea if any of the allegations are true, but if so, I disagree with this, or at least put a caveat on it. If you're going to justify a coach's forcing his player to run till he craps himself by comparing him to the military or pro football, you've gotta pay the players with something other than Phil 50.
Moot point. The allegations were independently investigated and Wardle was cleared of wrong doing.
I played ball in high school and during two a days under the August Virginia sun we were forbidden to drink water. Now, medical evidence today would prohibit that practice but at the time it was part of the mind mold that forged us into a cohesive unit. All of us survived, physically and emotionally, and we all went on to lead productive lives as contributing members of society. And many of us are still in touch to this day and we still consider ourselves to be teammates. And that was the entire point of everything done at two a days - to build a team.
If I had soiled myself I would expect to hear about it from my teammates. And there is no way my Major General fighter pilot father picks up the phone and calls the coach, the press, or a lawyer about it.